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Title: Enterprise ep. "Harbinger"
Post by: Carl on February 11, 2004, 08:04:49 pm: "an experiment in human sexuality."

Sure, T'pol. Just keep telling yourself that.
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Post by: Corsair on February 11, 2004, 08:42:07 pm: :wtf:
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Post by: Bobboau on February 11, 2004, 09:58:00 pm: lets not forget what happened last time she tried 'experementing'
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Post by: Liberator on February 11, 2004, 10:12:09 pm: I can't beleive they ripped off Voyager so blatantly for the next Ep. :sigh:
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Post by: IceFire on February 11, 2004, 10:31:35 pm: The initial premise yes...but they could easily have done the same premise on Farscape and we certainly know how those could go :)

Just because the premise is the same doesn't mean they will be the same. Although we have seen that with Ent episodes. We'll see.

I liked Harbinger. There's a mystery, Reid gets to pummel Hayes and vice versa (we needed that conflict to be drawn out), there was some clever dialogue, and heck there was some sex too. I'm not at all disapointed.
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Post by: Ulala on February 11, 2004, 11:04:38 pm: Good thing Reed got to beat the crap outta the other guy, or I would've thought it an hour wasted... and did anyone else see a shadow of a borg in the preview for next weeks episode (where Flox goes nearly insane)?
Title: Enterprise ep. "Harbinger"
Post by: Bobboau on February 11, 2004, 11:11:14 pm: well I missed it,
downloading now...
damn I realy wish they had more/better times for this show, or that I could catch it once or twice rather than spend a day and a half DL them
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Post by: Knight Templar on February 11, 2004, 11:36:24 pm: T'was a good ep. Besides the weird (for star trek, but very nice) T'pol thing.

And The next ep is a blatent rip. Seriously, and it's at the end of the season too (I think). How did they think they'd get away with that one?
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Post by: Liberator on February 11, 2004, 11:46:47 pm: It wasn't a Borg, it was an Insectoid Xindi.
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Post by: Bobboau on February 11, 2004, 11:48:35 pm: have they shown the eppisode were they save the ship full of insect larva
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Post by: J3Vr6 on February 12, 2004, 07:57:20 am: Dude, why call it a rip? There's 100+ people in a tin can far from home, with stress up the ass. Things are gonna happen: tensions flare, emotions get the better of the most controlled, misunderstandings go too far... If it looks like a rip or that it's been done in other shows, it's because it's part of the human condition and not showing it wouldn't show the true stress these pepole are going through. Those type of things happen. Just because it happens on another show doesn't automatically call it a rip since obviously they did it differently.
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Post by: Liberator on February 12, 2004, 11:39:16 am: I was talking about the basic plot of the episode.

Ship enters dangerous area of space, only one crew member is alien enough to survive the effects unscathed so the rest go into hibernation. Said crew member is then alone for weeks, goes a little mad from the lonlyness. Voyager did it with Seven in season 5 IIRC. I'm not saying it won't be at least decent, but it's a little blatant even for Berman/Braga.

Back on topic though, we seem to have a larger problem than the Xindi.

TJI:He's not alone, T'Pol is out and about as well.
http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/series/ENT/episode/3904.html
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Post by: J3Vr6 on February 12, 2004, 01:10:32 pm: Ahhh, I thought you were talking about the episode that just passed. That's what I get for reading it too fast. I never watched enough of Voyager to know what episode you're talking about.

But there's worse news ahead. I read on Cinescape (http://www.cinescape.com/0/editorial.asp?aff_id=0&this_cat=Television&action=page&type_id=&cat_id=270355&obj_id=40630) that there are rumors that they may cancel Enterprise because of bad ratings. I found the most recent TV ratings, and Enterprise ranked 136!!!! YOu can find it here (http://www.allyourtv.com/ratingsseason.html).

That would really suck. Plus, if you continue to look thru Cinescape, you'll find another article where they may let go of most of their production staff (http://www.cinescape.com/0/editorial.asp?aff_id=0&this_cat=Television&action=page&type_id=&cat_id=&obj_id=40707), including Rick Berman.

I'm sad :(
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Post by: ZylonBane on February 12, 2004, 01:20:25 pm: Getting Berman out of Star Trek is a goal worthy of a little collateral damage.
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Post by: J3Vr6 on February 12, 2004, 01:56:50 pm: Is he a bad producer or something? I don't know much about him, seems that IMDB that all he ever did was ST...
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Post by: Liberator on February 12, 2004, 02:22:04 pm: He is the Executive Producer that took over after Roddenberry died. His ideas have gotten crappier and crappier over the years. His cohort Brannon Braga is only slightly better in that department, last I heard though he was dating Jeri Ryan so he can't be all bad.

ST needs a few hardcore fans to help with creative duties.
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Post by: Ace on February 12, 2004, 09:06:54 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Bobboau
have they shown the eppisode were they save the ship full of insect larva

Saving a ship full of bad guy larva? That should be interesting :)

Of course, considering how they put together the previews for each episode, this next one could be that.
Title: Enterprise ep. "Harbinger"
Post by: Bobboau on February 12, 2004, 09:16:34 pm: it looks like it's going to be the next one after the Voyager ripoff, and man if that isn't the biggest ripoff in the history of ripoffing!
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Post by: Su-tehp on February 13, 2004, 01:42:31 am: My God, if they cancel Enterprise, I'm gonna be seriously pissed. I only found out a couple of weeks ago that UPN cancelled Jake 2.0, a show I enjoyed. Still, knowing that Jake 2.0 wound up as UPN least watched show, it makes sense that they had to cancel it.

But if they cancel Enterprise just as it started getting more exciting/ better than the previous two seasons, that would seriously suck.

Still, the first thing I thought when I saw the preview for the upcoming episode of Enterprise, I couldn't help but think that they were ripping off ST:Voyager. Could it be that Paramount has really run out of good ideas for Star Trek? Say it isn't so...:sigh: :(
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Post by: Grug on February 13, 2004, 06:26:03 am: lol yeh does seem similar to it doesnt it...

its not even on here in Aus...

all StarTreks always have at least 1 decent looking chick in tight clothing tho... Funny as...

Must be a rule of thumb in the theaters...
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Post by: Ashrak on February 13, 2004, 06:55:29 am: rofl yeah tpol is a sex hungry vulcan with a nice body :D
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Post by: Su-tehp on February 13, 2004, 10:35:50 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Ashrak
rofl yeah tpol is a sex hungry vulcan with a nice body :D

Yeah, why wasn't Seven of Nine ever that sex-hungry?:D

And why the hell did she choose Chakotay?
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Post by: Kazan on February 13, 2004, 11:15:59 pm: was there a ponn farr reference :D
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Post by: Knight Templar on February 13, 2004, 11:17:55 pm: Actually.. no. Which was odd really.
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Post by: Liberator on February 14, 2004, 02:29:29 pm: I recall reading somewhere that the female Ponn Farr is much less debilitating than that of the male. As evidenced by the fact that during the induced one last season(?) T'Pol could still form coherent sentences and at least try to control herself.
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Post by: Bobboau on February 14, 2004, 03:04:35 pm: just saw the epp, not bad, too much sex again though.
that fight with Malcom and the one guy was great (as in funny)
and the sphere alines are behind it all, figured as much, nice to have finaly seen one, they should have made that a bigger part of the story though.
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Post by: Hunter on February 15, 2004, 07:13:43 am: I believe Enterprise has taken a promising direction this Seaoson, granted SOME episodes have been lacking in the creative department, but overall a solid storyline. Still, I can't help feel like when I'm watching it that it's being "Figured out" along the way, rather than the writers creating the "Big Picture" before showing it. IE Farscape or Babylon 5, where several things were foreshadowed hinting at upcoming events/episodes. It feels like the writers don't know where they are going until they get there. The fact that Enterprise is now using arc-storylines is good, but it just feels like a forced-arc, with some of it not thought out very clearly. Otherwise, I'm enjoying the season. Highlights so far have to be "Anomaly", "Twilight", "Similitude", "Proving Ground" and "Stratagem". The most boring episode I've ever seen in my life had to be "Carpenter Street" ;)
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Post by: magatsu1 on February 15, 2004, 07:32:41 am: the general premise of B5 was to ask questions in one series then answer 'em in the next. Or the one after that as reagards to Babylon 4 (quite bold given that funding for the following series was never certain)

Great if you have all the episodes to hand, a ballache if you can only see 'em on Tv and miss episodes here and there.
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Post by: Carl on February 18, 2004, 08:07:37 pm: Phlox goes crazy and stuff (http://www.warpstorm.com/images/smilies/banana.gif)
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Post by: Knight Templar on February 18, 2004, 08:27:53 pm: Quiet East Coaster!
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Post by: Bobboau on February 18, 2004, 08:54:21 pm: and I missed it AGAIN, oh well, this doesn't seem like it was a very good eppisode anyway. did they have ANYTHING about the Xindi in there
Title: Enterprise ep. "Harbinger"
Post by: Carl on February 18, 2004, 09:06:55 pm: kind of.
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Post by: Liberator on February 19, 2004, 12:02:27 am: It was kind of funny at the end as he was scrambling to fix the engines and "T'pol" just sat there looking like a confused puppy.

It was a good preview for next week too. "What can set a crew against their captain?" indeed.
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Post by: Knight Templar on February 19, 2004, 01:25:31 am: Well, it turned to be a total rape of Voyager, but sort of fresh at the same time. Meh. Really though, these filler episodes are a bit irratating.

Spoiler:
Yeah, I thought it was kind of wierd when T'pol just showed up without them even mentioning her being awake, despite her Vulcanness. I was just chalking it up to bad writing.
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Post by: Ace on February 19, 2004, 01:42:49 am: I do think on its own it was fine, but because it's a filler episode I'm annoyed :p

If I was the Xindi, in the time that the Enterprise has been using to reach the weapon facility I would have deployed enough planet killers to wipe out everyone, including those gosh-darn-fandangled Makers :p
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Post by: Liberator on February 19, 2004, 02:12:41 am: At the rate they're going, Starfleet is liable to end up joining forces with the Xindi, Andorians and every other race that Earth is on even mildly friendly terms with to put the whammy on the Makers, whenever they show up.
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Post by: Knight Templar on February 19, 2004, 02:23:18 am: Weren't the Makers leading/manipulating the Xindi though?
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Post by: J3Vr6 on February 19, 2004, 08:12:38 am: Hopefully the show doesn't get cancelled so we can see...
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Post by: Liberator on February 19, 2004, 10:11:50 am: Quote
Originally posted by Knight Templar
Weren't the Makers leading/manipulating the Xindi though?

Yes, but that's my point, once the Xindi find out they've been manipulated and humans are actually quite nice once you get to know them, they'll join forces with Enterprise to stop the Makers.

Of course, something will happen that will cause the Xindi/Expanse to be destroyed/erased and that's why it won't show up in the future.:rolleyes:
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Post by: Carl on February 19, 2004, 11:12:45 am: they'd have to be. or at least the super weapon has to be destroyed, because if they still had it in later shows, they would have used it to pwn the borg and whatnot.
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Post by: J3Vr6 on February 19, 2004, 01:02:13 pm: I think the expanse is gonna collapse on itself. Those little spheres are gonna start pulling together to the center of the expanse, sucking everything up that's in it.

Who knows, maybe they'll do a huge twist and make it that none of this season or the last ever happens, because of some temporal thing b/c of the collapse.
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Post by: Bobboau on February 19, 2004, 07:34:15 pm: yeah, I think that's sort of a givven
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Post by: Su-tehp on February 20, 2004, 02:17:14 am: Considering how much more I enjoyed the "Tucker-on-T'Pol-action" episode more than "Phlox-goes-schizo" episode (AKA the "let's-rape-ST:Voyager-for-story-ideas" episode), I'm seriously considering writing a stern letter to UPN demanding that Star Trek: Enterprise have more Vulcan-love-slave action.

The Vulcan-love-slave action is probably the only thing keeping ST: Enterprise from getting cancelled. And even that is no guarantee. I mean, what the hell? Enterprise placed 136th in the TV ratings???