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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: diamondgeezer on February 19, 2004, 01:43:57 pm
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Dude, check this out! I'm posting this sat in Maccy D's! Leicester's got a cyber Maccy's - frankly, w00t!
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Originally posted by diamondgeezer
Dude, check this out! I'm posting this sat in Maccy D's! Leicester's got a cyber Maccy's - frankly, w00t!
[color=66ff00]Cool, but dude a warning; Don't eat any of the food.
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Mmm, spit 'n' semen burger.
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Originally posted by Petrarch of the VBB
Mmm, spit 'n' semen burger.
[color=66ff00]You'll be lucky.
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Too late. Chicken Preimier has been downed, with copious ammounts of curry sauce to disguise the taste. And I figure since there were two half-way decent looking birds on the counter I've broken even :)
On the downside they'd run out of chocy donuts...
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Originally posted by diamondgeezer
since there were two half-way decent looking birds on the counter
I don't believe this for one moment.
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Originally posted by diamondgeezer
On the downside they'd run out of chocy donuts...
[color=66ff00]You got off light then. Mickey D's is the proof that Satan exists and currently has interest in fast food outlets.
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Hey, I gotta have hobbies too.
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Mmmm, McD's fries..... The rest of the food is, well, typical fast food, but I love the fries.
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I actually quite like the food, not that I go there very often.
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Originally posted by Petrarch of the VBB
I don't believe this for one moment.
Don't blame you. Never before have I seen more than one fit bird working in a Maccy's at any one time. It's like they only allow one per shift or summat... perhaps this is the exception that proves the rule?
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Originally posted by diamondgeezer
Don't blame you. Never before have I seen more than one fit bird working in a Maccy's at any one time. It's like they only allow one per shift or summat... perhaps this is the exception that proves the rule?
Nah, it's the grease. I worked in a McDonalds for approx 3 days - the place fecking stinks of it. Anyone with a long-term exposure = :shaking:
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I have no problem with fast food personally, I have a problem with serving over 1 billion and making over .75 billion sick to their stomachs. No wonder everyone hates america. It is all McDonalds fault.
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Yay, this just became a politics thread! Woo-****ing hoo!
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Originally posted by diamondgeezer
Yay, this just became a politics thread! Woo-****ing hoo!
[color=66ff00]Back yo how crappy the food is then. ;)
Bring on the rat burger!
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And the Coffteachoc.
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Originally posted by Petrarch of the VBB
And the Coffteachoc.
[color=66ff00]Oh yeah!
*Waiter what is this crud?*
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You'd know not to eat there if you'd ever worked at a McDonalds. They pay this creepy odd-smelling guy to sit in the storage room all day and put the burger patties down his pants. And he never showers.
True story. I was that man.
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Originally posted by Stryke 9
You'd know not to eat there if you'd ever worked at a McDonalds. They pay this creepy odd-smelling guy to sit in the storage room all day and put the burger patties down his pants. And he never showers.
True story. I was that man.
[color=66ff00]Damn dude, youy must have went to one of the premiere branches, they rarely have that calibur of service in our local Mickey D.
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They call it "Maccy D's" over there??
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Yeah, normally they just hire the local dog to chew on em...and other unspeakable acts not to be mentioned on a family forum.
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Originally posted by ZylonBane
They call it "Maccy D's" over there??
People who are "With it" or "hip" call it Maccy D's. Everyone else calls it "Yond place"
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Yond place?
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Well it's what I call it anyway.
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Originally posted by diamondgeezer
Yay, this just became a politics thread! Woo-****ing hoo!
meant to be a freakin joke dude chill
:rolleyes:
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This week's sign of the apocalypse...
:shaking::nervous::shaking:
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Having read Fast Food Nation (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0060938455/qid=1077235057//ref=pd_ka_1/103-5560820-4317400?v=glance&s=books&n=507846) I'm seriously considering not eating any meat that I've not killed myself.
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Originally posted by diamondgeezer
Dude, check this out! I'm posting this sat in Maccy D's! Leicester's got a cyber Maccy's - frankly, w00t!
Isn't that reason enough to reflect how depressing your life must be, sitting in a McDon... arg, I can't type it.
Argh. I make it a point to avoid that place.
:ick: I can still feel the grease in my lungs.
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Originally posted by Beowulf
Isn't that reason enough to reflect how depressing your life must be, sitting in a McDon... arg, I can't type it.
Argh. I make it a point to avoid that place.
:ick: I can still feel the grease in my lungs.
Why were you inhaling your food?
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Originally posted by 01010
Having read Fast Food Nation (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0060938455/qid=1077235057//ref=pd_ka_1/103-5560820-4317400?v=glance&s=books&n=507846) I'm seriously considering not eating any meat that I've not killed myself.
[color=cc9900]I've seen that book lying around on a shelf in my tutor room at school. I'll have to go pick it up. Can't say I ever eat in the places anyway, and even if I do then I'm vegetarian so it's not too bad. It's always nice to have more ammunition to use against meat-eaters and fast food junkies.[/color]
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A Cyber McDonald's? By the way you're speaking, I'm guessing that the restaurant has web access, a la a net cafe.
Ummm, w3rd.
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Originally posted by 01010
Having read Fast Food Nation (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0060938455/qid=1077235057//ref=pd_ka_1/103-5560820-4317400?v=glance&s=books&n=507846) I'm seriously considering not eating any meat that I've not killed myself.
being one who works in a meat packing plant, thats not too bad an idea
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So, Bob, do you think could quality-assure and pack meat for the whole of HLP, once we've all read Fast Food Nation?
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Originally posted by Odyssey
[color=cc9900]I've seen that book lying around on a shelf in my tutor room at school. I'll have to go pick it up. Can't say I ever eat in the places anyway, and even if I do then I'm vegetarian so it's not too bad. It's always nice to have more ammunition to use against meat-eaters and fast food junkies.[/color]
Nothing wrong with eating meat, as long as it's not ****e. Unfortunately I believe that the standards practiced in the slaughterhouses in America are almost certainly in practice over here and having read about those particular practices puts me off meat.
It is a sad day for me.
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Once, outside KFC having just put away a tasty gorgeous Zinger Twister, my associates and I were accosted by a fellow handing out some sort of protest leaflets. He went so far as to suggest the Colonel killed chickens to make my lunch. I was shocked and apalled, to the point where I had to go back in to buy a box of hot wings
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Originally posted by Odyssey
[color=cc9900]... I'm vegetarian so it's not too bad. It's always nice to have more ammunition to use against meat-eaters and fast food junkies.[/color]
You know, that's the sort of attitude that makes me lay the pimp hand down on pretty much every veggie I know.
My wife's a vegetarian too (has been for probably longer than a lot of this board has been out of diapers), but she doesn't try to evangelise it to omnivores, like most vegetables do.
All that said, read Fast Food Nation to LEARN SOMETHING, not to use it to attack other people.
Yes. Evangelical vegetarians piss me off.
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Originally posted by mikhael
You know, that's the sort of attitude that makes me lay the pimp hand down on pretty much every veggie I know.
My wife's a vegetarian too (has been for probably longer than a lot of this board has been out of diapers), but she doesn't try to evangelise it to omnivores, like most vegetables do.
All that said, read Fast Food Nation to LEARN SOMETHING, not to use it to attack other people.
Yes. Evangelical vegetarians piss me off.
If I wasn't meant to eat meat it wouldn't be so goddamn tasty, and I wouldn't have razor sharp carnivores to slice my meat with.
Also, if everyone went Veggie, you'd see to it that domestic cows, chickens and pigs go extinct, they exist for food, they wouldn't have a chance at surviving in the wild.
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Originally posted by mikhael
You know, that's the sort of attitude that makes me lay the pimp hand down on pretty much every veggie I know.
My wife's a vegetarian too (has been for probably longer than a lot of this board has been out of diapers), but she doesn't try to evangelise it to omnivores, like most vegetables do.
All that said, read Fast Food Nation to LEARN SOMETHING, not to use it to attack other people.
Yes. Evangelical vegetarians piss me off.
[color=cc9900]I don't evangelise. I respond. Almost everyone around me in, say, school, is a meat eater. Hence, I am the 'different' person. Now, you probably know how your average 15-year-old population responds to different people - if I'm sitting there being berated for my choice to not eat meat, do you expect me to be silent? The meat-eaters certainly aren't.
Anything I read is to learn. It's a thought process directly connected to reading. Putting that knowledge to use is the next step, but as I've already mentioned I don't go out and 'spread the word'. I agree that's the wrong way to go about it.
01010, the sheer fact we can eat meat doesn't mean we should. It's like going and starting a war for no reason. Ominovorous and Carnivorous wild (and to a lesser extent domestic) animals have to. We, on the other hand, have a supposedly superior mind - we have the ability to make a choice, and we have the ability to produce the foodstuffs we eat. The ethical option is vegetarianism, and it won't kill us to choose it.[/color]
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Quick question. Are you one of those vegetarians who eats fish?
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I'm just happy so long as the veggies stay the hell away from any barbecue I host. There's nothing for you there :)
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[color=cc9900]Petrarch, no, I'm not. They're not vegetarians :p[/color]
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If only they knew that, eh?
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[color=cc9900]They're almost as annoying as so-called "Semi-vegetarians", who only eat meat on Sundays or when they're depressed or whatever.
Anyway. I'm off to cook me some rice. Mmm, Basmarti...[/color]
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I have nothing against veggies....
however, I willl be a happy man when the forces of hell drag PETA back down to the lowest level. What bunch of evangelical ****wits that lot is........
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maddox is teh funnay!!1
http://maddox.xmission.com/grill.html
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[color=cc9900]Expletives... Rising... Must... Resist...
He seems to think that vegetarians are some kind of perfectionists. We're not. We simply reduce the amount of unnecessary killing of animals. There is no way we can ever completely stop that, as accidents happen. The point is we're trying to do the best we can. Of course it's not going to be absolute perfection, nothing works like that. But at least we try. He's not even trying, yet he shifts blame away from himself to us instead under the cover of "I don't mind, here, you mind, you can take the blame for me".
It's not about elimination, it's about conservation. The PETA response has the right idea, you reduce consumption and you reduce the effects.
I'm not quite sure who I just said that to. Never mind.[/color]
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Eat what you want - Just don't presume to tell me what to eat, or how to live my life.
NB: not aimed at you Odyssey- a general statement towards the likes of PETA.
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Since when is PETA about moderation? Their message is not 'reduce', its 'remove'. PETA is every bit as bad as Bush and his cronies who fight to keep the US sucking on the oil-pipe. Extremes are always bad.
And hey, some of those meat eating vegetarians (yeah, I know, they're weird) have an interesting basis: the Bible doesn't class birds or fish as animals. ;)
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He doesn't claim to be trying to save animals. That's a large part of his point. Another part is asking why you killing less animals than him to live makes you morally superior. You're both killers, is his point.
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[color=cc9900]mikhael:
I was referring to the PETA response to that article. I don't actually know much about the organisation itself bar the basic premise of what it stands for. And, the Bible says a lot of things :p
diamondgeezer:
Personally I do think that killing less and not eating the results is at least slightly on the moral high ground. And, let's face it, it isn't much effort.[/color]
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:lol: people yelled at me for turning this into a political thread. MY GOSH
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Originally posted by Odyssey
Personally I do think that killing less and not eating the results is at least slightly on the moral high ground. And, let's face it, it isn't much effort.[/color]
Giving up kebabs and KFC is effort enough :nod:
Red's right, mind. I knew posting that last comment was a mistake. I'm bailing out of this thread *jumps*
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[color=66ff00]I'm going to be an extreme left-chicken-wingist here and say 'kill all cows, they're bad for the environment'.
Or is that right wing? I dunno, I never read up on politics and my hands are already unbearably greasy from handling this crap.
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PETA == food nazis
Anyways, how could a cow possibly survive in the wild? I mean, the furry highland cows could manage (they're basically mini-mammoths), but yer bog-standard fresian(?) cow? It's not even camoflauged.
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[color=cc9900]Guess what got us into that hole? Over time we bred the animals to be domestic, and so now they're wholly reliant on us. Easier now to just let the current generation grow old and let them become extinct - if there are any animals left untouched by human intervention, they can have their land back.[/color]
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Over dependence on domestication of animals is very much a bad thing. Of course, overpopulation of any species (including humans) is too.
Me, I spend more on organic, free-range stuff just so I won't be giving money to the battery farmers and the like.
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Originally posted by Odyssey
[color=cc9900]let them become extinct [/color]
that doesn't sound very animal friendly. What's in it for the cows ?
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Originally posted by aldo_14
PETA == food nazis
Anyways, how could a cow possibly survive in the wild? I mean, the furry highland cows could manage (they're basically mini-mammoths), but yer bog-standard fresian(?) cow? It's not even camoflauged.
Why would a cow need camoflauge? There's nothing in the UK that would kill such a huge animal for food. And think about it, they must have existed (in the wild) long before man used them for milk and meat.
You're right about PETA though. Just your bog-standard militant animal rights activists.
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Hahaha, give the animals "their" land back? Funny stuff.
I love how evangelical vegetarians so quickly claim the moral high ground for sticking up for what amounts to a bunch of drones. Watching them float and sputter is always amusing.
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Originally posted by magatsu1
that doesn't sound very animal friendly. What's in it for the cows ?
[color=cc9900]Letting a species become extinct is perfectly friendly and humane if done in a controlled manner. You just restrict fertility. Unfortunately a controlled extinction isn't something we've ever come across, as most of the time it's violent. We wouldn't lose anything either, as the cows are derivatives of things that would still exist.
I'm all for just letting the human species die out humanely, too. It'd solve a lot of problems.[/color]
Originally posted by Shiva Archon
Hahaha, give the animals "their" land back? Funny stuff.
I love how evangelical vegetarians so quickly claim the moral high ground for sticking up for what amounts to a bunch of drones. Watching them float and sputter is always amusing.
[color=cc9900]I kindly request that you shut up. I'm not trying to turn this into a flamewar. Everyone is entitled to their own views without being laughed at.
Also, may I add I specifically said that I'm not evangelising vegetarianism. Additionally, what made you think that animals are bunches of drones? Have you ever seen an animal other than what you get on your plate?[/color]
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Originally posted by Odyssey
[color=cc9900]I'm all for just letting the human species die out humanely, too. It'd solve a lot of problems.[/color]
That strikes me as an odd thing to say. What good would that do you ? You'd haved to hang out with monkeys or somethin'.
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Given that he's a human, he'd not be around to hang out with the monkeys.
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No matter which species is the dominant on this planet, one thing is sure.
Animals will eat other animals.
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[color=cc9900]Yes. Yes, they will. Because they need to. Since we make our own food for the majority of the time, we don't. We have the ability not to have to eat meat, ever.[/color]
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We also have the ability to stick forks in our eyes. Doesn't mean we do it.
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[color=cc9900]Slight difference. Sticking forks in our eyes will hurt us. Becoming vegetarian, however, is a healthy and ethical course of action.[/color]
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Becoming vegetarian does hurt those of us who like meat. Somehow I see the quality of my life diminishing when I can no longer enjoy my favorite foods and instead have to scarf down nuts or supplements all day to get the nutrients I'm missing.
As for evangelizing, in your very first post in the thread you were overjoyed at having more "ammunition against meat-eaters" and since have pretty much said that we're lazy, immoral creatures. You were never berated for your choice to be a vegetarian, and your tone clearly indicates your disdain for people who choose differently. Did you seriously not expect a response?
Don't provoke responses and then claim your innocence. You're evangelizing.
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Originally posted by SadisticSid
Why would a cow need camoflauge? There's nothing in the UK that would kill such a huge animal for food. And think about it, they must have existed (in the wild) long before man used them for milk and meat.
Wolves - used to roam all over europe, especially in Scotland. That's possibly why a highland coo has bloody great big horns.
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The bunch of you are being obnoxious and stupid. Really, nobody gives a **** what you eat or want to make others eat. No, really. Nobody. Except maybe a few neofascist retards who got stuck on one issue after being dropped on their head as a child and ever since have been trying to strongarm everyone into agreeing with their moronic point of view. And, if anything, those peoples' interest counts as negative-value interest. Just shut up.
More about camouflaged cows. The image of a forest-print Hereford entertains me.
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(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/reciprocity/wipshots/armyCow.jpg)
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Hey aldo, shouldn't that be "Moo-ha-ha"? ;)
oh, and < rant >
Now, having grown up on a cattle farm, I can't legitimately agree with the "it's ethical not to eat animals" perspective, expecially since domesticated livestock of just about every variety are as dumb as bricks (chickens are probably the worst, but cows come really close... anyway, that's a story for another time). Tell me being vegetarian is healthier than eating a lot of meat, then fine. One might have an argument there. But when one says that it's not ethical to eat animals, and therefore say that I am inethical for doing so, he is judging me on the basis of his own (skewed) sense of ethics. It's arrogant, and I tend to resent that kind of thing.
If there was even a shred of evidence that livestock could be considered intelligent life, then I would have to re-evaluate my eating habits (believe it or not, that's why I don't eat tuna). But until I see a cow with the intelligence of even a severely retarded person, I'm not going to have any qualms with eating a hamburger. Any attempt to convince me otherwise is met with "mmmm.... Beef....:D" < /rant >
Anyway, Odyssey I don't want you to take that as being fired at you, it's just a matter-of-fact statement of my stance on the issue. As much as I hate to bring PC into this, you do have to be careful how you phrase things, and bringing ethics into the discussion is not something that needs to be done. It's quite easy to get someone pissed off by sounding belittling.
You mean even invalid HTML gets parsed? :confused:
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Exactly what Stu said.
BTW: your rant tags probably got eaten by the browser, not HLP. The browser doesn't know what to do with fake tags and will swallow them. Just try creating a fake web page with fake tags and see what your browser does.
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Originally posted by Odyssey
[color=cc9900]Slight difference. Sticking forks in our eyes will hurt us. Becoming vegetarian, however, is a healthy and ethical course of action.[/color]
So why does every vegetarian I've ever met look pale, miserable and under nourished?
This is no generalisation either.
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Originally posted by StratComm
Hey aldo, shouldn't that be "Moo-ha-ha"? ;)
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nope. It's cow-speak for Mwu-ha-ha. :p
NB: I think there are certain minerals / nutrients / vitamins that can only be obtained convetionally through meat - hence why we're omnivorous in the first place. The only way for vegiatrians to get this is through artificial introduction - i.e. dietary supplements and additives to food.
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Research suggests that human brains evolved to their huge-ass capacity partly due to the ammount of protein our ancestors ate, particularly from fish :nod:
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Originally posted by 01010
So why does every vegetarian I've ever met look pale, miserable and under nourished?
This is no generalisation either.
You've met the wrong vegetables. My wife is anything BUT undernourished or miserable (she's pale, but its the good kind of pale). We shop at an organic grocer with a large vegetarian shopper base (its why we chose the place) and most of the vegetables there don't look pale, miserable and undernourished. Some of those vegetable chicks are damned hot. :D
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PETA is... evil. They're more like terrorists than activists. I read an article one time about how they were handing out happy meals with mutilated chickens in them and stuff like that; they finally got asked to leave when kids started crying. It's just... messed up.
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[color=cc9900]What would PETA be doing handing out mutilated chickens? That strikes me as somewhat wrong.[/color]
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Ya, I know what you mean. I don't mind people being vegetarian or trying to get animals treated more ethically, PETA just takes it way too far.
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well, i see no problem with eating meat, only with battery farming and bio industry.
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Word. Battery farming is pretty ****ed up. If you can't grow enough meat AND treat the animals in a reasonably humane way and do it cheaply, then don't. I don't care if meat prices go though the roof. I'll pay more.
Besides, you'd really be surprised at what you can do with TVP (textured vegetable protien, AKA soy). Before anyone goes 'gross!' or 'dude! soy sucks!', you eat it every time you eat at McDonalds and pretty much ever other fast food chain. Its the source of 'fillers' listed on so many food labels. Its great stuff. You can make it taste like ANYTHING. :)
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Yeah. Of course, there's a profit motive involved, nothing to do with what the consumers prefer, so we don't really get a lot of choice in the matter.
Anyone else find it wierd how many plants can be used for basically anything? Soy, peanuts, hemp...
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If I believed in a god that actually gave a damn, I'd say it was a Sign from on high. But since I don't, I'll just say that its a sure sign that mankind produces some pretty smart, creative sorts who can figure those kind of things out.
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Now, if someone can figure out a simple way to make high-energy explosive from grass, I'll be happy. At least, until I'm incinerated along with half of the block. Then I'll be more along the lines of ex-happy.
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soy, i won't say it's gross, but some of it's end-products are less then perfect.
OTH, some if it is pretty nice.
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Originally posted by Odyssey
[color=cc9900]What would PETA be doing handing out mutilated chickens? That strikes me as somewhat wrong.[/color]
PETA also spent time handing out leaflets to children at schools in the UK, telling them not to drink milk.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/1525042.stm
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"Sue's milk-drinking led to her battle with zits. Humans can have all sorts of gross reactions to cow's milk. When you give cows a break and clear you're conscience, you'll get to watch your skin clear up too!"
What a bunch of dicks, I mean, I don't drink milk or eat dairy simply because I can't stomach anything dairy but each to their own, plus, as far as I recall, isn't milk pretty damn important for children as most of them don't get calcium any other way?
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Exactly. Do they want people to grow up with ricketts?
*realises that ricketts isn't caused by calcium deficiency, but can't think of anything that is*
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Dentist bills... calcium good...
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Originally posted by Stryke 9
Now, if someone can figure out a simple way to make high-energy explosive from grass, I'll be happy. At least, until I'm incinerated along with half of the block. Then I'll be more along the lines of ex-happy.
Just wait until a cow finish its digestion process...
Never, never smoke behind a cow...
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Cows generate enough methane gas in a year to fill a hot air baloon. :nod:
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Damn, you can just use them to prouce juice...
Ever heard of biogas powerhouses?
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Mmm, freshly-squeezed cow juice
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Originally posted by aldo_14
PETA also spent time handing out leaflets to children at schools in the UK, telling them not to drink milk.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/1525042.stm
[color=cc9900]That's equally as wrong in one way, but better in another. My main objection with the mutilated chickens one was, well, mutilated chickens. PETA shouldn't be handling mutilated chickens, it's supposed to be against their principles.[/color]
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So against their principles that it's a rather suspect anecdote, in fact. Unless you've got some wierd-ass insano wing of the PETA out where you live, they wouldn't do that, plain and simple.
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McDonalds fries taste like plastic... 99.9% of their stuff tastes like plastic or something undefined..
I have bee neating "normal" food for most of my life and home-made fries (from a normal, non GMO potato) tastes a LOT better than that crap!
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Originally posted by Stryke 9
So against their principles that it's a rather suspect anecdote, in fact. Unless you've got some wierd-ass insano wing of the PETA out where you live, they wouldn't do that, plain and simple.
Doesn't PETA membership imply 'wierd ass isano', though?
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No. It implies activist politics, something the world could frankly use more of. Maybe if the PETA's street theater tactics were more widely used, voter apathy wouldn't be so widespread and hence we wouldn't have lovely things like Geneva Convention-violating prison camps, the Patriot Act, widespread destruction of what very few wild areas the US had left, and a probably endless chain of mindless wars that accomplish little but fertilizing the ground with Arabs and Americans.
I understand it's fashionable to bash people who do more than sit around and whine about politics, but that doesn't mean it's justified in the least.
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Originally posted by Stryke 9
No. It implies activist politics, something the world could frankly use more of.
Not to me *shrug*
I find it very hard to regard PETA as anything more than another fundamentalist-type group, like the anarchists who turn up at every G8 meeting with the purpose of making the world a better place by setting fire to cars and breaking windows.
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...And you have no clue about what the anarchists are trying to accomplish, either.
Yay for our wonderful news media, who doens't give a **** about anything unless it has a body count. And yay in particular for people who don't pay any mind to anything but the sensationalist shrieking they hear on the TV. Where would we be without them. Where indeed...
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Tell you what. Go find a copy of, oh, say Jerry Rubin's Do it!, maybe Hoffman's Revolution for the Hell of it if you can get it, read one of those, then come back and tell me the anarchists are just out there to do a little smashy-smashy with Starbucks windows. Go read Abbey's Desert Solitaire and then you can try and make the claim that the environmental activist groups are just violent idiots. Get it from the horse's mouth, go read what they've been trying to communicate for years except that the news services always seem to suddenly lose interest when people stop breaking things and start explaining what's wrong in the first place. They're one ****load a better source on the noisemakers than FOX news.
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Originally posted by Stryke 9
...And you have no clue about what the anarchists are trying to accomplish, either.
Nothing insofar as I can tell.
Anarchy implies the complete breakdown of civillisation and the human 'group', basically returning to the stone-age tribal civillisation.
I don't see the point, nevermind how organized riots help that cause (or the laughable and somewhat tragic thread to rip up the *name escapes me* gold course when the summit is in scotland). I mean, if they really want anarchy there's plenty of large, open spaces they can **** off too and live.
And i am being careful to distinguish the organized, peaceful (anti globalisation, anti-war and whatnot) protestors from the various nutcases.
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Friend of mine who studies politics at Uni is an anarchist - he explains it as basically being about anti-globalisation and the removal of any kind of centralised government. Which is daft if you ask me. No point fighting the future
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Originally posted by diamondgeezer
Friend of mine who studies politics at Uni is an anarchist - he explains it as basically being about anti-globalisation and the removal of any kind of centralised government. Which is daft if you ask me. No point fighting the future
We should just reserve the Isle of Wight as an anarchy zone, build a big wall around it and let 'em go there.
Simple as that.
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There's anarchy and there's anarchy.
And the future is nowhere near as certain as most like to think. What do you imagine will happen to the concept of globalization in twenty years, when we completely run out of fossil fuels? Barring some deus ex machina like fusion, that's basically the end of any society that extends beyond covered-wagon distance (and that only in the places that still have horses or other pack animals). Fuel cells require oil to produce, as do most other alternative power sources (barring low-wattage sources like solar and some very primitive versions of wind power, which could be rigged up by clever individuals to yield enough to operate basic industries and maybe even keep the lights going, no more).
How about all those nukes scattered across the still-Balkanized East European nations? It'd be foolish to assume they aren't ever gonna go anywhere, and a well-placed tactical nuclear warhead would put an end to the sort of politics you and I are so familiar with instantly.
Globalization is inevitable if you assume that the US will remain the oligarchic corporate republic it is today for at least fifty more years, and will maintain total international supremacy over that entire span. Anything less, and the globalist movement will fail.
Centralized government, of course, would be a tougher nut to crack. We'll pretty much always have it, it's human nature to seek power and so long as we seek it the stronger force in any society will always find a way to obtain it. Aside from a few very small communes and (supposedly) some of the experimental arcologies, and maybe Athens if one is generous with the term, there's never been a self-sufficient decentralized government. And since that's the real target of the anarchic movement, yeah, it's a bit of an idealist movement. But what's wrong with idealism?
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Originally posted by Stryke 9
...And you have no clue about what the anarchists are trying to accomplish, either.
Yay for our wonderful news media, who doens't give a **** about anything unless it has a body count. And yay in particular for people who don't pay any mind to anything but the sensationalist shrieking they hear on the TV. Where would we be without them. Where indeed...
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