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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Zarax on February 20, 2004, 04:27:48 am
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Well, for how much i hate IBM, i would have never dared to think they would just copy and paste files and pieces of code...
http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20040215015800694
SCO is going to eat them alive...:ha: :rolleyes:
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Hey, my brother is an IBM programmer. :p :nervous:
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Well, whoever did that thing deserves the "company killer" award...
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[color=cc9900]Oh, trust you Zarax. Try reading all the comments at the bottom of that article.
If you've sunk low enough to believe everything SCO says, I pity you.[/color]
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I don't believe everything, however some stuff seems pretty genuine...
On the other side, why should i believe everything linux advocates say?
If you do so, then you deserve even more pity...
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[color=cc9900]As far as I'm concerned, this case has nothing to do with Linux. It is about a money-grabbing semi-company trying to get a quick buck by asserting itself against a reputed company.
You would be well advised to believe things that Linux advocates put forwards when those same advocates use evidence from open source to back them up. Anybody is to be pitied if they blindly follow what others say, but here we have a case where the two parties have different qualities of evidence.
May I enquire, what parts of this case as asserted by SCO do you find genuine?[/color]
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Well, since i have the same capabilities as the linux advocates to see their source AND to see MS one as MVP i can truly say that 80% of the voices around MS are only prejudices and empty air.
About the genuine parts, the optimization routines are clearly SCO stuff, IBM surely has not copied as much as SCO tells, but there are some very specific parts of the code that are exactly the same...
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[color=cc9900]SCO alleged that IBM had given millions of lines of code to Linux. They've given 'evidence' for some 3,700. That won't win them a court case, and whether or not they actually own that code is tenuous anyway.
I don't understand your first paragraph. You say seeing the source for Linux and for Microsoft gives you the ability to discount opinions? Which opinions and allegations are prejudices and/or empty air, and what on Earth does that have to do with this topic?[/color]
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Don't prevoke him. He'll go off on another one of his IBM are the devil incarnate but MS are quite nice actually, rants again.
Zarax, have you failed to notice that linux != IBM?
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Linux != IBM, but also Linux[IBM] since they are the company that is putting most money on it.
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[color=cc9900]No. Linux is an entity seperate from money, and that's the whole point behind it. Just because IBM puts money into supporting Linux, doesn't mean that it actually has anything to do with Linux itself.[/color]
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:lol:
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[color=66ff00]Bloody legalese is unreadable.
Any practise where they can't put what they need to say into plain, understandable english has something fundamentally wrong with it.
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I think Zarax has forgotten the history of the computer industry in his blind hatred of IBM and his blind love of Microsoft. He's also ignoring lots of stuff that some of us have pointed out to him time and again about his personal corporate heroes, but I digress.
At issue here is IBM's supposed copying of source code from the AT&T UNIX source code into Linux and other open source projects. The things that Zarax (and SCO) are ignoring (or trying to cover up) include:
- Some of the code that was "copied" existed in IBM operating systems BEFORE they existed in any SCO operating system
- SCO is suing for infringement to code that they bought AFTER the supposed infringement took place.
- Much of the code that SCO is asserting as theirs was actually BSD code, which is licensed so liberally that anyone can legally take it and use it in a commercial project without compensating anyone beyond a copyright line
- IBM has the actual PATENTS on some of the software processes taht SCO is claiming they have copyrighted code for. The patents will trump SCOs supposed copyrights every day of the week
The SCO/IBM thing is entertaining, to say the least. In the 80s, IBM got its ass handed to it over copyright and patent (these are seperate) issues regarding the creation of the clone PC market. Ever since, IBM has been very, very careful to document and manage their source code and patent portfolios very carefully (did you know that IBM has the single biggest patent portfolio on earth, and its the fastest growing: they are awarded more patents every year than ANY other patent holder in the world). IBM has had twenty years of learning from its mistakes. Given that they have more money, more lawyers and more governmentally mandated monopoly power than SCO could ever hope to scrape up, SCO is going to gets its ass surgically removed, spitted, roasted and served up on a platter with a nice garnish.
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Wait wait, we have fanboys for OPERATING SYSTEMS and companies now, wow.
I mean, I like sony minidisc players but that doesn't mean I'd never look at any other brand, and especially not worship them.
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The whole SCO thing is barely a scratch to IBM.
IBM is one of those companies that doesn't even need to flaunt its assets. It's got enough power and money to shrug off anything.
If there were a thermonuclear war, all that would be left would be IBM, the cockroaches and the computers IBM was selling to the cockroaches.
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LOL!
And Maeglamor, how do you think lawyers can charge such extortionate fees? ;) The whole Corporate Law industry makes money out of talking complete B*llocks for months and then letting the richest company off :)
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You guys are still paying attention to the SCO thing? I kind of figured it would die off when they basically said that they had no evidence whatsoever that anyone stole their code at all.
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No, we're not. The Microsoft Monkey is. ;)
Me, I'm just waiting for IBM to release their attack lawyers--the ones they feed only raw meat and only once every couple of days--on SCO. I'm looking forward to SCO becoming the next wholly owned subsidiary of IBM. Not because I have any great love of IBM, but because stupid people who do stupid things should be punished. Sticking a giant with a toothpick to show you have a big dick is stupid and that's exactly what SCO did.
It should be pointed out that we're all referring to SCO like its SCO that did this. Its not. ITs the SCO Group that did this. SCO is dead and has been for a while and they were decent people.
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This thread rules.
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Didn't it come out about a month ago that the SCO Group was going bankrupt?