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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Flipside on February 20, 2004, 01:49:58 pm
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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040220/ap_on_hi_te/downloading_music
Don't worry everyone, build a bunker under your house, and the moment you hear the X-Files theme approaching from a distance, just dissapear into your secret world-domination CD copying lab ;)
Heeeesh! Yes, copying is illegal, but people used to copy to tape before that. Why won't they figure out sales are dropping because they are producing 90% crap?
And of course, if you have downloaded the music, how in the hell are you supposed to see the label anyway, you have to buy it legally to be told it's illegal to download it :wtf:
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I'd guess I'd understand them if sales were actually dropping, but they aren't.
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They assume that this $12 Billion they are 'losing' is because if people couldn't download the music, they would naturally go out and spend money which, in most cases, they don't have, to buy it.
Which just goes to show how important it is to shoot marketting consultants on sight. ;)
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[color=cc9900]I never saw the point in singles, anyway. Personally, I wouldn't consider it worth the effort to go across my room and find a case, bring it back, take out the CD, put it in the machine (while taking out the one already in there and finding its case) and hit play, just for one track. Let alone pay good money to get that CD in the first place. And apparently, the music industry's greatest losses are in the singles department.
Maybe people are just realising what a shoddy deal they're getting now that there's an alternative?[/color]
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Singles are an easy way to screw the kiddies (er, in a monetary sense), because the 12-year olds buying **** pop records can more easily afford them than albums. More and more people are waking up to this, though - hence the drop is singles sales. IIRC, in the UK album sales are still rising, tho.
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Agreed. Singles are only worth buying when they're EPs, like the new metallica one (the Unnamed Feeling). Costs about 5 quid, but it's got the single and about 6 live tracks as well, so it's like a mini-album. Otherwise they're ****.
I have to say that I personally don't download music, 'cos if I like the band then I'll buy their cds, if I don't I won't. But each to their own. I like the iTunes idea - you pay to d/l tracks, but it's really cheap - much cheaper than buying a cd.
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I don't buy music. Period.
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singles usually have b-tracks and live recordings, which is nice.
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[color=cc9900]The B-sides and live songs usually end up on "Best Of" albums anyway.[/color]
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Depends on the artist I 'spose
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The last time I bought a cd was about 6 years ago when I'd got a CD player for Christmas and wanted something to play on it.
I then had no interest in music whatsoever for about 5 years, and then got broadband, and thus, Kazaa. Now I can't live without music.
Killing the music industry, eh?
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Originally posted by Odyssey
[color=cc9900]The B-sides and live songs usually end up on "Best Of" albums anyway.[/color]
Along with previously unreleased songs so they can really f**k over their fans and make them pay £14 for an album full of songs they already have just to get hold of the one song they don't. :hopping:
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GEEZ, OUR PROFITS RISE BUT THE NUMBER OF SOLD RECORDS FALL
GUESS WE SHOULD RISE THE PRICES DUHH AND SUE THOSE WHO DOWNLOAD OUR LATEST HITS LIKE BRITNEY SPEARS DURRRRR
Yay for indie labels and those who actually release music.
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Originally posted by karajorma
Along with previously unreleased songs so they can really f**k over their fans and make them pay £14 for an album full of songs they already have just to get hold of the one song they don't. :hopping:
Well, that's what you have P2P networks for, innit? ;)
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Oh woe is me. Now I can't download stuff anymore. Its not just discouraged anymore, its sternly discouraged.
I bet the RIAA people are throwing all sorts of nasty looks in my general direction. Or, or they could even :nervous: :nervous: call my parents! How would I ever be able to continue my life if my secret criminal activities were to be exposed. I would be shunned by the community. Shunned! Then I would die a sad and lonely death in a gutter somewhere. All becuase I wanted to listen to music.
Won't someone please think of the children!?
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teh funnay (http://static.hugi.is/video/fyndin/dctf-1.wmv)
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Just don't tell Stealth this thread exists, he thinks it's ok for the RIAA to sue 12 year old girls (especially if they are overweight).
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Originally posted by aldo_14
Well, that's what you have P2P networks for, innit? ;)
Kind of proves my point though doesn't it. The record companies are quite happy to screw over their biggest customers to make a quick buck and yet the cheek to complain if someone tries to do the same to them.
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14 quid for a CD in the UK? if i got the exchange rate right, that's about 20-25 euro's, right?
and once again, how much of that cash goes to the artist?
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I believe "Sod all" is the appropriate term.
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Originally posted by kasperl
14 quid for a CD in the UK? if i got the exchange rate right, that's about 20-25 euro's, right?
and once again, how much of that cash goes to the artist?
20 € per CD, about 0.20 € goes to the artist.
Reason why nobody should buy music CDs.
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Originally posted by Rictor
teh funnay (http://static.hugi.is/video/fyndin/dctf-1.wmv)
What, that 404?
:D
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Don't know how many know this, but the RIAA is being sued (http://news.com.com/2100-1027_3-5161209.html)
And she's absolutely right, they are behaving like a bunch of Capone era gangsters.
Complete with thugs. (http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/28/34835.html)
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Originally posted by Lightspeed
20 € per CD, about 0.20 € goes to the artist.
Reason why nobody should buy music CDs.
Does anyone know the percentages on band T-shirts etc. It sounds like a better deal to support the band by buying that sort of stuff instead since I'd imagine the band themselves make a higher profit on them.
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Originally posted by karajorma
Does anyone know the percentages on band T-shirts etc. It sounds like a better deal to support the band by buying that sort of stuff instead since I'd imagine the band themselves make a higher profit on them.
Most bands make money from playing gigs and merchandise, merchandise almost entirely goes to the band which is why I'll always buy official merchandise over buying a CD. Not that I don't buy CD's however, I just don't feel that the artist gets enough money from it.
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LOL The best part was the RIAA wanted 'permission' to write a 'bomb' program which would lock up your computer for up to a couple of hours and crash it, whilst displaying a message about how naughty you are for downloading pirate stuff. And complained when no-one would listen to the idea!
Just who in the hell do these people think they are? I'd love to see the first lawsuit for loss of data for that one!
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(Spock) IF I were human...I believe I'd say..."Go to hell."...If I were human.(/Spock)
ugh...the RIAA will DIAF...good ridance to the SOBs, long live P2P sharing!...even though I don't have any...they went bye bye in the HD crash...
the RIAA is turning into the M$ of the music industry...it's sad...and pathetic...and a ****ing waste of their time and our time.
Cor
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I thought acronyms were meant to make things easier to read...
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FOADIAF.
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**** off and die in a field?
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For Over A Decade I Am Furious?
;)
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For Orgasm And Death I Anally Fist.
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:lol:
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Oh and the 'artists' get a massive 'advanced payment' (usually around £1mil) to cover their living expenses, but then the label tells them they also have to use it to pay for all the champagne (£2k/bottle) and parties (£100k+) associated with a single launch. As such, this 'advance' typically runs out in about a week and must be paid back in it's entirety from their 5% sales income before the artists starts seeing any returns.
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Yes, my band got the offer of Managership from the bloke who managed E17, but we turned it down, since fortunately I knew that while their single was at number 1, they were living on less money per week than I earned.
Oh yes, and of course the fact that E17 suck, big time :D
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If you need webspace to whore yourself out from, I can provide it for a 95% cut of your income for the rest of your life.
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hehehe, I see you've met him. ;)
Alas, I stopped playing guitar ages ago, work etc is the ultimate life-destroyer, and I was completely pissed off with the recording industry, who only seem to want to take a risk if it's a certainty.
That's the problem I suppose, I've been involved with these companies that are supposedly suffering, and I know some of the tricks they use, believe me, they have no qualms whatsoever about ripping off the copyrights of unsigned artists.
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Set yourself up a nifty little web-site with some of yer better songs on, pimp the living **** out of it and be an independant.
Buy yourself a suit, make appointments to meet some of the big players at as many radio-stations as you can find and blag your way to getting air-play. Pretend your some big-time manager and you've got this awesome band who're about to.....yada yada yada.
That way you start to get a name for yourself and can start selling CD's off the site.
Then you do the same thing with stores until you've got enough of an underground following and cash-flow to start getting some real CD's stamped out at a factory instead of using your 'puter.
Play loads of gigs, even for ****ty money and whore your CD's afterwards.
You'll be sleeping with Pink and partying with Metallica before you can say "I'm a corporate whore".
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Costs me a tenner from musiczone, HMW costs bucketloads.