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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Liberator on March 03, 2004, 09:32:10 pm
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Was this the season finale or have they finally outdone the ending of Best of Both Worlds pt.1?
Wow! Tis truly a cliffhanger!
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ah, **** I forgot! damnit motr fucn ghdasczmnjhyt4tg
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will I never be able to see an eppisode of enterprise while it was actualy on TV
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daniels come back
t'pol cries
enterprise-J :eek: (looks like an anorexic cross between Enterprise D and Enterprise E)
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:eek2:
stop talking now!
wait untill my download finishes... two days from now :hopping:
:mad:
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The design of the J was kind of depressing, I refuse to believe that a saucer that large can be propelled by engines that small, regardless of advances in warp field theory or quantum dynamic processing.
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Pretty impressive :)
I was half expecting it to be a StarWarsy episode with the flying into the weapon, destroying it, and then Daniels saving Archer at the last minute and telling him to work out a treaty if possible.
What was done instead, was much more interesting for where the story was obviously heading.
The Enterprise getting torn apart was awesome, until of course the little bodies flew out of some of the breaches... :sigh:
It's going to be interesting to see how they get out of this situation. Somehow I think though that the NX-01 is no longer spaceworthy and the NX-02 is going to be designated Enterprise and Archer will get command of it.
I did like the J mixing the D and E design, but in my opinion I think it looked too low-tech for the period it was supposed to be in. (I'd expect the ship design philosiphy to change in the 200 years since TNG/DS9/VOY. A ship closer to the timeship that they had in the earlier Enterprise episode when the Tholians attacked.) If anything that would have been a good F or G design.
Of course, my main question is how do the "evil shadowy figures" who are bossing the Pseulobon(sp?) as well as the Tholians relate to the war with the Builders.
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1.14% :(
what if the shadowy guy is Daniels?
yes, I know that's the obvius plot twist.
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No, I think the shadowy guy is either one of the Sphere Builders or a Vulcan. Remember how they place such emphasis on how the Vulcans were holding back the warp development program.
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but Vulcans were allies in TOS and TNG, I don't see how it would be logical for them to turn on them in the 27th century. though that doesn't mean that they havn't been influenced by someone from the future
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I have about 4 or 5 eps of season 3 Enterprise eps I haven't watched yet, I really must get around to it but I really want a copy of ep 15 (Harbinger) first, it's like it's disappeared off the face of the earth :(
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Being allies doesn't mean a rogue cabal couldn't act to change history. I mean Vulcans were kind of prominent before Humans arrived on the galactic stage, then they kind of faded to the background, by the 27th century maybe some of them have grown sick of it. Granted that's an emotional response, but if they are mucking with the past they aren't very stable are they?
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no, I supose not.
though I would think Romulans would be a better suspect (given that Romulans seem to be well ahead of there suposed technological curb, though that was suposedly a continuity error)
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according to an interview i read, when the writers came up with the shadowy guy, they didn't even know who he was. they were gonna make it up when the time comes.
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btw, look behind archer:
(http://www.startrek.com/imageuploads/200402/ent-070-daniels-archer/320x240.jpg)
:D
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Hands up, who thinks the Shadowy Guy is a Romulan?
Thought it'd be pretty damn funny if it was Captain Braxton.
But has anyone considered that all the things we've heard about the future might be true? Maybe the Federation does wipe out the Xindi 400 years in the future. Hell, they almost did it to the Dominion. Shadowy Guy could be a Xindi from the future.
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Originally posted by an0n
Hands up, who thinks the Shadowy Guy is a Romulan?
Thought it'd be pretty damn funny if it was Captain Braxton.
But has anyone considered that all the things we've heard about the future might be true? Maybe the Federation does wipe out the Xindi 400 years in the future. Hell, they almost did it to the Dominion. Shadowy Guy could be a Xindi from the future.
I see a few main possibilities:
1. Archer ("Luke I am... your future!")
2. Daniels (Federation using the "shadowy figure" for some of the more questionable things they must accomplish in the cold war)
3. Romulan (The Earth-Romulan war is soon, but why would the Romulans want to help Archer save Earth as opposed to allying with the Builders?)
4. Apophis (Oops... wrong show...)
Of course it could always be Degra(sp) as he seems to be becoming a major character... (in some ways more fleshed out then some of the Enterprise crew)
I do think that the Federation failed to protect the Xindi, as it appeared that the entire expanse was destroyed by the anomalies by the time the federation was able to fend off the Builders from what Daniels said.
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Section 31?
And maybe the Xindi blame the Federation as part of the bigger picture.
Someone is obviously trying to **** the Federation over and maybe the future-Xindi being caught in the crossfire prompts them into action. But the Federation are the only ones they can get at.
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The episode was pretty cool, if it didn't get ratings with that show, then I don't know what they need to do. Bad ass seeing the little bodies fly outta the hole. They were getting owned. I bet you that in the next episode Degra, the black xindi, and furry xindi come to their rescue seeing how cruel the reptile xindi's can be.
The Shadowy guy... Hmmm.... I think it's Al from Quantam Leap :) Remember the first episode where Archer was talking to him and fighting some cloaking guy? He dives out of the room and gets teleported. What does he say? "Oh boy..." a la Quantam Leap. Now THAT would be a twist... And no, I don't really think it's Al from Quantam Leap.
It's getting moved to 9pm :( For a friggin video game comedy show called Game Over... Ugh... Maybe the rumors at Cinescape are true...
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Originally posted by Bobboau
:eek2:
stop talking now!
wait untill my download finishes... two days from now :hopping:
:mad:
I sense genuine frustration. :D
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55.34% :(
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whats the episode called btw?
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It was called "Azati Prime" (http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/series/ENT/episode/4186.html) :cool:
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For today's completely impossible guesses on the shadowy bad guy:
1. Flint, the android builder from TOS.
2. Mudd (from Mudd's Women)
3. Mirror Spock
4. Lore
5. Q
Anyway, the Enterprise J? And why the wimpy nacelles? The larger naccelles on the Sovereign have really grown on me....
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future=more powerful warp engine=smaller nacelles.
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I'd think they'd be messing with transwarp by that time. Anyway, bigger naccelles look cooler.
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Bigger=more mass=more power required
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Originally posted by an0n
And maybe the Xindi blame the Federation as part of the bigger picture.
But, Daniels said there were Xindi server aboard the J.
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maybe the Xindi are simply being lied too, anyone ever think of that?
I wonder what mr shadowy has been doing while Archer'n pals have been off saveing earth
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We know the Xindi are being lied to, Daniels said so.
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You know, I'd have thought that they'd be messing around with Slipstream drives instead of warp drives. You can argue all you want about how smaller engines can drive a larger ship in the future, but it still looks ugly.
They messed around with transwarp in TOS, it just didn't work out (now we know it's all the borg's fault... jk)
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well I just watched 60.7% of it, that seemed like a realy good eppisode, and I bet some major time smakage is going to come down upon them in the conclusion.
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We know from Voyager that the Borg transwarp coils were tiny. If the Federation had that kinda level of tech, the nacelles would probably only be there for the bussard collectors and maybe the odd, short warp-speed flight.
And while, yes, there were Xindi onboard Enterprise-J, they coulda only been there after the war started. Like how Cardassians and Jem Hadar started crewing each others ships.
And there's always the possibility that the Federation later allowed the Xindi to be wiped out because it meant they'd win the war against the Sphere Builders. Churchill (methinks) did it with the bombing of Norwich. He allowed the Nazi's to beat the **** outta the city so the Nazi's wouldn't know the British had cracked their encryption codes.
I also happened to like the Enterprise-J.
And they probably will switch to the NX-02 and give it shields and ****.
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Waitasec, Enterprise-J? And it's from the 27th Century?
Starfleet must be hiring more responsible Captains in the future seeing as they went from NCC-1701 to NCC-1701-E in less than a century but it took three to go from -F through to -J....
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Well with the ablative generators and trans-phasic torps brought back by Voyager, the alliance with the Klingons and the complete raping of all Dominion/Anti-Federation powers during the Dominion War, the Federation shoulda had a pretty sweet few centuries.
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U guys ever thought maybe Daniels is also lying? The shadowy guy is decieving the Xindi, but no one has thought of Daniels as decieving also? Perhaps the sphere people, who can look at alternate realities, is only showing Archer the view of one reality where the truth is far wors... Now THAT would be a twist.
Btw, I just read the worse review for that particular episode:
"In a desperate bid to get people to watch, they bring back the temporal cold war in the midst of the Xindi saga. Nothing says ‘watch me’ like two lame duck plotlines intersecting." (-Aaron Thall)
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Eh?
The whole point of Enterprise is the Temporal Cold War. Is that guy ****ing stoned?
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I don't know, but I wish I was.
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Originally posted by an0n
Eh?
The whole point of Enterprise is the Temporal Cold War. Is that guy ****ing stoned?
...and the whole point of the Temporal Cold War is to give them carte blanche to make as many continuity ****ups as they like since they can just "undo" it later to protect the timeline.
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That my friends, is why Red Dwarf kicked so much ass. They never need to explain themselves ;)
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Originally posted by Admiral LSD
Waitasec, Enterprise-J? And it's from the 27th Century?
26th.
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I thought the future people were form the year 3000
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they can probably jump to whatever time, showing whoever what they wanna show.
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Originally posted by Kalfireth
That my friends, is why Red Dwarf kicked so much ass. They never need to explain themselves ;)
No, they needed to, they just never did.
They destroyed the time-space continuum like, what? Seven times; And just carried on regardless in the next ep.
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Originally posted by Bobboau
I thought the future people were form the year 3000
Daniels is, but he took Archer to 400 years in his future to the Battle of Procyon (methinks) and the Enterprise-J to demonstrate his point.
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Which won't happen anyway.
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Originally posted by Carl
26th.
Either way, it's still keeping each of those 5 ships in one piece a lot long than the first 5 ;)
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The thing of it, except for not revealing himself right away Daniels has never been dishonest. Sure he's held stuff back, but he does have to protect the time line.
The Enterprise is the Flagship of Starfleet. it makes sense that they would try to protect it, I mean look at what Fleet had Picard and Co. doing after the war, before they went to Romulus. Also, one or more of the F-Js could have been left as commissioned mueseums, like the USS Constitution.
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I still think that the future where the J was shown isn't going to happen. I don't think in any of the other ST tv or movies did they explain any big nebula like things in an "expanse." I wasn't a huge fan of the other ones, but I think I'd see people reminding others of that. That nebula thing in the future took centuries to grow like that, as they were tyring to make that part of space habitable. I think this whole season is gonna get purged at the end. The Enterprise was raped in this episode, and I don't think it would even make it back to Earth the way it is.
Plus, did any other ST ever mention the attack on earth that killed 7 million people? It sounds like something that would at least be remarked in some obscure episode.
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Not really.
The Bell Riots were hardly mentioned. And WW3 is only mentioned in passing. As are the Eugenics Wars.
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The what? Bell riots, is that the one in DS9 where the tattooed- face chick (or birthmarks?) goes to earth in the middle of some riots?
In the ST universe there was a WW3? Didn't know that. Never heard of a Eugenics War, was that before or after the Enterprise time?
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Yes, the Bell Riots are the ones where Dax and co go back in time and Sisko ends up pretending to be Bell.
WW3 was the entire basis for First Contact.
And the Eugenics War was what produced Khan and his cronies.
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Gotcha. That's where the guy invents warp and the borg is there? Which is why we saw borg in the enterprise series. I remember now that they got to the past and it was right after WW3?
Which reminds me of a question I wanted to ask: Does that old guy who invented warp have any relation to Archer, who's dad made the Enterprise engine or something?
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No.
Cochrane was just an alcoholic capitalist.
Archers' father worked on the Warp 5 Program, and the facility was opened by Cochrane. And Cochrane probably worked with Archers' father now and then, them being the two foremost authorities on Warp Technology.
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Ent J is THE uglyest design iv EVER seen
the ep kicked ass though loved how they sliced up the ent with CGI :D
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Did they combine the Eugenics War with WW3 in the official continuity?
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I think maybe they did, zako, Khan probably left before the nukes were launched.
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???? WW3 was before 1st Contact, which was like decades before the first enterprise launched, no? Isn't the movie where Khan was in like 150-200 years after that? Didn't u guys say Khawn was from the Eugenics War? And wasn't he a friend of Kirk or something? I don't remember that movie that well.
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Khan was cryogenically frozen and launched in a prewarp ship called the "Botany Bay". It was then found by the Enterprise, and the crew stranded Khan and his men on a planet. They then stole a Miranda-class 20 years later, and tried to kill Kirk.
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Was that in one of the original episodes? I mean the part that they found Khan and stranded them on a planet. I always wondered if he was in one of the old episodes.
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Yeah, it was one of the original episodes. Space Seed, IIRC.
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The planet was Ceti Alpha 5.
Kahn and Co were stranded because they tried to take over the Enterprise.
Khan calls Kirk "Old Friend" because he is mental deranged, likely a side effect of his genetic engineering.
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Originally posted by Grey Wolf 2009
Did they combine the Eugenics War with WW3 in the official continuity?
no. they happened 50 years apart.
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Originally posted by Liberator
Khan calls Kirk "Old Friend" because he is mental deranged
someone's never herad of sarcasm
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No, it's part of the character, Khan sincerely believes that Kirk was a dear friend who stabbed him in the back.
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you know in the origonal ST timeline the Eugenics Wars happened in like 1996
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I thought it was '92.
And Khan calls Kirk 'old friend' because he's being somewhat ironic.
Khan, like that Klingon geezer, had a hard-on for Shakespeare. And throughout every interpersonal conflict in Shakespeare, if both sides are doing what they believe to be right and are both acting with honour, they maintain enough respect for each other through all the battles to know that if it wasn't for their King and country setting them against each other, they would've been friends.
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Really? I thought he called him old friend because they had previous history together when Kirk exiled Khan and his crew to the surface of Ceti Alpha Six... then they run into eachother during Star Trek2: The Wrath of Khan.
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Yeah, that's why he hated him.
But the reason he choses to call him 'old friend' as opposed to 'you *****' is because they were respectful adversaries, at least in Khan's eyes.
Though towards the end of Wrath of Khan it's far more sarcastic.
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Fair enough, makes sense either way. Best Trek film btw (not to chuck the topic mercilessly OT ;))