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Title: Help me, math nerds!
Post by: Stunaep on March 10, 2004, 01:06:30 pm
Here's some high-school trigonometry for ya.
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1)     _____1________  = cosx
        1+tanx*tanx/2

2)    __sin2x__  *__ cosx__
      1+cos2x       1-cosŽ2x


I'll post more, as they come.
Title: Help me, math nerds!
Post by: jbond04 on March 10, 2004, 01:18:12 pm
Couple of quick questions...are we just supposed to solve for x?  And what is the character next to the cosine in the 2nd equation in the bottom right?  Is that a "Z" or is it supposed to mean inverse cosine?
Title: Help me, math nerds!
Post by: Stunaep on March 10, 2004, 01:27:44 pm
Sorry about that.

1st equation: prove
2nd equation: simplify

That character is to sign that the '2' next to it, is not supposed to be a 2, but 'to the power of 2'.
Title: Help me, math nerds!
Post by: HotSnoJ on March 10, 2004, 02:21:25 pm
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Originally posted by Stunaep
That character is to sign that the '2' next to it, is not supposed to be a 2, but 'to the power of 2'.
The use Z^2. :D
Title: Help me, math nerds!
Post by: Stunaep on March 10, 2004, 03:01:32 pm
I would, if I knew where the heck that thing was.

Though Now I can use copy-paste.

So, any actual ideas?
Title: Help me, math nerds!
Post by: DragonClaw on March 10, 2004, 03:04:45 pm
shift-6
Title: Help me, math nerds!
Post by: Stunaep on March 10, 2004, 03:24:25 pm
on an american keyboard. Sucka
Title: Help me, math nerds!
Post by: Ghostavo on March 10, 2004, 03:29:43 pm
*answers the geek call*

1)

_____1______  =  cos x
2_+_tan^2_x                      <=>
..........2

         
<=> _____2____  =  cos x    <=>          
.......2 + tan^2 x

because tan^2 + 1 = 1/cox x

<=> _2_cos_x_  =  cos x                etc...
..............2

gonna do the other one...

*goes to the geek mobile and escapes*

P.S.
In the second what is cos2x (example)? is it cos 2x or cos^2 x?
Title: Help me, math nerds!
Post by: HotSnoJ on March 10, 2004, 03:45:11 pm
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Originally posted by Stunaep
on an american keyboard. Sucka
:wtf:

Mine is an american qwerty keyboard. Look at the numbers above the letter section of your keyboard. shift+6 = ^.
Title: Help me, math nerds!
Post by: Stunaep on March 10, 2004, 03:49:15 pm
mine is an estonian keyboard. sucka.

Ghostavo: This would be fine and dandy, but the second tangent ain't tan x, but is tan x/2, and thus isn't 1/cosŽ2x.

the best thing I can think of is writing tanx as sinx/cosx, and tanx/2 as (1-cosx)/sinx, but I've no idea where to go from there.
Title: Help me, math nerds!
Post by: Ghostavo on March 10, 2004, 03:53:10 pm
isn't tan x/2 = tan_x      ? ?
....................... 2               ? ?

if so I put the 2 on top thus making it null.... but before I had to multiply the 1 by 2 to stay correct. It correct, I assure you.

:EDIT:
The dots are just to put the numbers into position...
Title: Help me, math nerds!
Post by: Stunaep on March 10, 2004, 03:55:20 pm
Ah, but I should have explained myself better.

In tan x/2, the angle x is divided by two. Not the fuction tan x/2.
Title: Help me, math nerds!
Post by: HotSnoJ on March 10, 2004, 04:02:43 pm
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Originally posted by Stunaep
mine is an estonian keyboard. sucka.
My apologies then
Title: Help me, math nerds!
Post by: Ghostavo on March 10, 2004, 04:08:09 pm
In that case all you can do is prove it's false...

Do the reverse of what I did but in the 2nd member so that it stays:

________1_________  =  ________1__________
1 + tan x * tan x/2 ...... 1 + tan x * (tan x)/2
Title: Help me, math nerds!
Post by: Solatar on March 10, 2004, 04:50:19 pm
I'm just taking Algebra I....don't think I can help.:D

But you've scared me enough...
Title: Help me, math nerds!
Post by: Hippo on March 10, 2004, 06:08:51 pm
algebra 3 is hard enough... and i have pre-calc next year... :shaking:


Here's a problem from my book:

Find all the zeros of the polynomial function:
f(x)=x^4+4x^3-6x^2-36x-27

And for the hell of it, i'll do it out...

Possible zeros are: ±1 ±27 ±3 ±9

....| x^4 +4x^3 -6x^2 -36x -27
.-3|..1......4.......-6........-36...-27
....|.........-3.......-3.........27...27
........1.....1.......-9..........-9.....0

....| x^3 +x^2 -9x -9
-1 |1........1......-9..-9
....|..........-1.....0....9
......1.......0......-9...0

So: (x+3)(x+1)(x²-9)
E...Q...U...A...L...S.......
(x+3)(x+1)(x-3)(x+3)
W.I.C.H....M.E.A.N.S:

The graph crosses the x-axis at -1, and +3, bu TOUCHES it at -3...



Yes, I am THAT bored... :blah: They teach us some weird ways to divide now... Long division was better...
Title: Help me, math nerds!
Post by: ZylonBane on March 10, 2004, 06:40:05 pm
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Originally posted by Stunaep
mine is an estonian keyboard. sucka.
Ha! My keyboard has you all beat--

(http://world.std.com/~jdostale/kbd/SpaceCadet1.jpeg)
Title: Help me, math nerds!
Post by: DragonClaw on March 10, 2004, 06:40:28 pm
Hippo: That's Algebra III? I learned that in Algebra II, mate. There isn't even Algebra III in the US, that I know of.

And synthetic division is actually easier, you just can't use it as often as you might like to.
Title: Help me, math nerds!
Post by: Hippo on March 10, 2004, 06:44:33 pm
apparently, (well, rumor) my school is the only one in the us still seperating that into algebra 3... i doun't personlly belive it... maybe in the area, since the school i used to go to didn't cover algebra 2 untill junior year... its a public school though, so anything could happen... yeah its easier, but its worse seeing people in 6th grade now multiplying stuff diagonally...
Title: Help me, math nerds!
Post by: Ghostavo on March 10, 2004, 06:47:29 pm
That's Algebra? I learned that this year... hehe :p
Title: Help me, math nerds!
Post by: phreak on March 10, 2004, 09:22:42 pm
So does that mean im inhuman for starting algebra in 6th grade?
Title: Help me, math nerds!
Post by: jbond04 on March 11, 2004, 04:35:28 am
Gotta love math...I'm taking my last math class EVER next term up here at college.  If any of y'all out there want to be engineers, I hope you like math...because you get a lot more of it.  I'm no math genius, so you don't have to be super smart at math in order to be a good engineer, but you have to at least be comfortable with it.

The worst math I've ever had the (dis)pleasure of learning deals with combining calculus and trigonometry.  I actually like calculus (it's very useful in the real world), but man, when you take trig identities and start putting them in integrals, it's rough.  *shudder*  Damn trig subs.
Title: Help me, math nerds!
Post by: Solatar on March 11, 2004, 06:28:35 am
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Originally posted by PhReAk
So does that mean im inhuman for starting algebra in 6th grade?


Nag, the offered Pre-Algebra in sixth grade where I'm at, and I don't imagine it'd be that big of a step to put in Algebra (they usually take it in 7th). I do know a girl who's taking Geometry in 7th grade though...

Poor me is stuck taking Algebra in the 8th grade with a perverted teacher.
Title: Help me, math nerds!
Post by: Hippo on March 11, 2004, 02:15:54 pm
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Originally posted by PhReAk
So does that mean im inhuman for starting algebra in 6th grade?


Nope :-P... I started with pre-alg in 6th, pre geometry in 7th grade, algebra 1 in 8th grade, geometry in 9th grade, algebra 2 in first semester 10th grade, algebra 3 in second semester 10th grade (now), and in theory my junior year they'll run me through pre calc and calc, then senior year they'll put me through pre-trig and trig...
Title: Help me, math nerds!
Post by: Joey_21 on March 11, 2004, 02:26:04 pm
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Originally posted by Hippo


in theory my junior year they'll run me through pre calc and calc, then senior year they'll put me through pre-trig and trig...


That seems a little bit backwards to me. Trigonometry plays a critical role with antidifferential/integral calculus (assuming you get that far) so you may want to ask if you can switch those around in your schedule...
Title: Help me, math nerds!
Post by: Hippo on March 11, 2004, 02:54:30 pm
i may have it backwards yet too, since we havent filled out course selections forms for next year yet...