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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: aldo_14 on March 21, 2004, 03:08:43 pm
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/bristol/3554121.stm
And this is before they introduce top-up fees - welcome to the brave new world.....
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Sounds like a deal to me.
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Uhh, she's not at all hot. For 8000 pounds, you can get the best hooker in the world. Jeez, some people...
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Yah, but... she was a virgin! And a lesbian. ;7
Man what an idiot, he should have upped it another few hundred and asked for a three-some.
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[color=66ff00]From my point of view some things aren't worth any amount of money.
I think she realised this too. :sigh:
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Agreed, but it's just saddens me that she felt she had to do it :(
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[color=cc9900]The funny thing is, AFAIK prostitution is perfectly legal up until the point when you get a 'brothel' or 'organisation' managing them.
I don't have anything to offer to pay for my Uni fees. Maybe I should try busking...[/color]
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In a way it shows a certain maturity - she realised an education was important for her to get on in life, and that she could sell something she was willing to lose sooner or later anyway to get a head start with the problems of a full time education and the money issues contained thereof.
However..
There are some problems with this. Firstly the tabloids will cover the fact heavily - the next few years - and maybe even the rest of her life - will be tainted by what she did, and there's a strong chance that she'll be labelled a whore when she reaches her Uni or future job because of it - and because some people don't have to face the money problems that others do.
Also, any future love she finds might be a hard time because there's a strong chance whoever she finds will learn or know of what she did - it's not always easy to approve. But hopefully this wont be the case - anyone who really loves her should be able to overlook it.
Certainly though I think this sends out quite a strong message to the powers that be - what's the world coming to when someone has to sell themselves to pay for an education that should be mandatory and indeed encouraged to ensure the further delevlopment of society and the human race? Granted it was her choice - and virginity means something different to each individual (some see it as sacred and pure, others merely see it as something they are before they have sex for the first time - it varies). So it's possible she falls into the later catagory and that a bigger deal is being made of this than it should be. But still a message is made by it.
Hmm...
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dude, this is quite extreme really.
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HOEP SHE GOT TEH AIDS
... dork.
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Originally posted by Kalfireth
In a way it shows a certain maturity - she realised an education was important for her to get on in life, and that she could sell something she was willing to lose sooner or later anyway to get a head start with the problems of a full time education and the money issues contained thereof.
However..
There are some problems with this. Firstly the tabloids will cover the fact heavily - the next few years - and maybe even the rest of her life - will be tainted by what she did, and there's a strong chance that she'll be labelled a whore when she reaches her Uni or future job because of it - and because some people don't have to face the money problems that others do.
Also, any future love she finds might be a hard time because there's a strong chance whoever she finds will learn or know of what she did - it's not always easy to approve. But hopefully this wont be the case - anyone who really loves her should be able to overlook it.
Certainly though I think this sends out quite a strong message to the powers that be - what's the world coming to when someone has to sell themselves to pay for an education that should be mandatory and indeed encouraged to ensure the further delevlopment of society and the human race? Granted it was her choice - and virginity means something different to each individual (some see it as sacred and pure, others merely see it as something they are before they have sex for the first time - it varies). So it's possible she falls into the later catagory and that a bigger deal is being made of this than it should be. But still a message is made by it.
Hmm...
'tis worth noting she's a lesbian, though........
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[color=cc9900]Well, of course she's lesbian, why else would she be in a tabloid? :doubt:[/color]
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I think that backs up what I said about her seeing her virginity as something she has that she will eventually lose though - I wouldn't swear I understood her (yeah, like I even know her) but that's how it seems to me.
It still doesn't affect the fact that she came to the conclusion that the only way to make that much money would be to sell herself.
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I agree with what Thundfireth said. What kind of world are we living in when someone has to prostiture themselves to pay for education. Its not like its a luxury, its basic post-secondary eduction. It is benefitial to all of mankind that the young people of the world be educated.
But I still think the guy could have gotten a much better deal for his money.
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or she could have got a freakin job. Both my parents paid for their own education, by themsleves, without debts. You dont have to sell yourself to make money, just sell your abilitys to an employer.
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Originally posted by Drew
or she could have got a freakin job. Both my parents paid for their own education, by themsleves, without debts. You dont have to sell yourself to make money, just sell your abilitys to an employer.
****, i'm sure most of us here are paying for our own education. i know i am
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[color=cc9900]This is more specific to us poor sods in the UK though. Expensive just got redefined.[/color]
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Especially with top up fees... thank **** I don't have to take part in that charade. It's a shambles.
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Originally posted by Drew
or she could have got a freakin job. Both my parents paid for their own education, by themsleves, without debts. You dont have to sell yourself to make money, just sell your abilitys to an employer.
Alright. Come to England. See if you can find a job that pays enough to get you through Uni, but leaves you enough time to actually go.
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*does small dance because scottish students don't have to pay tuition fees*
...but "El Tony Blair-o" is doing his best to change that.
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*does a slightly smaller dance because his family is so poor that he just misses having to pay the full whack*
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There are some problems with this. Firstly the tabloids will cover the fact heavily - the next few years - and maybe even the rest of her life - will be tainted by what she did, and there's a strong chance that she'll be labelled a whore when she reaches her Uni or future job because of it - and because some people don't have to face the money problems that others do.
Also, any future love she finds might be a hard time because there's a strong chance whoever she finds will learn or know of what she did - it's not always easy to approve. But hopefully this wont be the case - anyone who really loves her should be able to overlook it.
She deserves all she gets, and I hope no-one offers any sympathy. The whore doesn't deserve it.
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After reading the article, she sounds as though she didn't enjoy it(the act itself). Makes you wonder if that cold a *****, or if she took some kind of nerve deadener so she wouldn't realize that it's better for a woman with a man instead of Rosie DePalma and her five friends and vice versa.
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You do realise, that in the US, people can pay up to like 10,000+ quid per year to go uni.
*does a slightly smaller dance because his family is so poor that he just misses having to pay the full whack*
Same here, practically free for me.
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I just visited RIT (Rochester Institute of Technology). The price for tuition, room and board, and all the fees was around $31,000 for 9 months. Thankfully, I should get some merit scholarships to offset that, and the co-op program should help. I'm really praying for the National Merit Scholarship right now though....
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Originally posted by Petrarch of the VBB
Alright. Come to England. See if you can find a job that pays enough to get you through Uni, but leaves you enough time to actually go.
my mom would work 3. dad would work 2. its a tought life aint it.
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Should it be that tough? I realise that few things in life are free - but at the age of a first year student (18+) you don't have that much money. Apparently these are the best years of our lives, we spend the rest of them working. Well... I'd quite like to have a little money to spend on the best years of my life - rather than worry about my own survival.
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That's nothing new, I've heard that kind of story many times ( many prostitutes start this way, actually ).
What I wonder is what with the coverage? She went to the BBC and told everything or what?
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and theres these little things called schollerships u can get if you work ur ass off in high school. Its somthing alot of students in america dont really give a **** about till they figure out the cost of an education(to late in most cases).
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There are no more good years during life. Only years spent working to pay for survival, or worrying that someone will end your survival.
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Perhaps so, but consider that we're all human beings - few children who don't have parents who really drive them can effortlessly gain a schollership - especially if it's hard to get one for the particular college / uni you're trying for.
Those of us who aren't so academically/sport minded or driven to suceed shouldn't be made to pay for that for the first 30 odd years of our life with debts and such, should we?
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Uhh Liberator, this has nothing to do with sexual orientation. If she were straight, the situation would be exactly the same. The fact that she is a lesbian is irrelevant. Do you realize how horrible and stressful sex with a total stranger is? That, and the fact that the types of people likely to pay for sex are usually no prize catch.
I wouldn't blame her if she took some sort of drug. Thats the same reason most hookers are junkies.You simply couldn't stand it any other way. Most people would kill themselves after a few days of prostutution if not for drugs.
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Agreed. Here's an idea, LOWER THE ****ING COST OF TUITION.
Oh, but that would make me a Communist, right?
Long live a life of servitude, materialism and greed. Thats the way to a better tommorow!
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You could always join the Army. If your good, they'll pay and then steal 4 years of your life after you leave uni.
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If I didn't have such strong thoughts regarding the armed forces I'd consider it a viable option to take care of my Uni issues. However I wouldn't join them for any other reason than forced conscription.
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This ****'s been going on for at least like 5 years.
It shows up in the paper every so often as new.
Still, seems like a decent deal.
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Originally posted by Drew
my mom would work 3. dad would work 2. its a tought life aint it.
Personally, it would be physically impossible for me to work this year - infact, the course head advises students to avoid working because of the time demands reuiqred by uni.
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wasn't this "news" like a year ago too?
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Actually, in Canada, the Army is a viable option. I'm in no danger of being sent overseas to fight, and I would venture a guess that the actual time spent in the Army is more comfortable than in most countries.
However, keeping in mind that these are the same people who did bombing runs over my hometown, I would rather work for the money.
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Originally posted by Rictor
Agreed. Here's an idea, LOWER THE ****ING COST OF TUITION.
I agree, all major universities receive, quite literally, millions of dollars in alumni donations and millions more from government programs and raising tuition?
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Originally posted by SadisticSid
She deserves all she gets, and I hope no-one offers any sympathy. The whore doesn't deserve it.
you mean she does deserve it, right? ;)
It's possible to get through university without support from parents or scholarships, well, here in the US anyway, i wouldn't know what it's like in the UK, etc. you can get student loans fairly easily, and (as was mentioned) the harder you work in high school, the better chance of getting a good scholarship.
my friend's enrolled in Rice University. Rice is one of the most respected and high-class universities in the State, one of the best in the nation, its fees can be in excess of $50,000 (in exceptions, usually it's $30,000+), and i know a few people that go to it, some who aren't rich by any means.
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New Labour - "We want 50% of college leavers to go to University"
"How will you achieve this?"
"By putting the cost up, of course!"
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:( This is a saddened state of affairs.
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There's a difference between "college" and "university" in Europe?
Here in the States, the two are interchangeable. Usually a "University" costs more and offers a bit better variety of classes than a "College" does. Of course, here in the States most towns(< 5000 citizens) have an a source of Post-Secondary Education within driving distance(usually about 10-15 miles, though I once knew a guy that drove 60 miles every Thursday for one class that was just over an hour long.)
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There is indeed a difference - we have a range of names for the different education sections (at different ages). It goes something like this:
Reception / Nursery:
Kindergarten... for the first few years of your life in education.
School:
Junior / High School and in some places College as well (depending on the place it can run from Junior right up to leaving College - or it might just be a Junior School only).
College:
Not University but at around 16 / 18. Some High Schools go through to the College section of things as well, but there are also completely separate Colleges that deal with only these two years of your life. It's at this stage that you choose a University and apply - the grades you get here determin what choice you have in Unis.
Possible "gap year":
Between school/college and Uni - children can elect to take a year out of education to earn some money or travel and see the world (or both). This is what I'm currently doing. Note however that unless you work full time and hardly spend any money there's a poor chance that you can get enough money to completely cover Uni expenses.
University:
At about 18+ University starts and can last up to five years (depending on the course... some are three years - others are longer). The girl in question in this thread needed the money to pay for the tuition fees at this stage of her education. Those applying for Uni next year in the UK will have to pay top-up fees every year which is a new additional cost being bought in by the Government that pretty much everyone is pissed about. I narrowly miss out on having to pay this (I start my Uni course this September).
Hope that answers things!
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That's England, it's different in about every country in Europe, don't generalize.
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My location says I'm from England - sorry if I'm mistaken but I gave you credit to have enough intelligence to work it out for yourself :p
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Originally posted by Liberator
There's a difference between "college" and "university" in Europe?
There, do you get what I mean?
If I said it was engalnd, it's obviously coz I read it from your location :p
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...:wtf:
It's to early in the morning for me to be assed with this. Lets move on, K? :nod:
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yeah
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Australia seems comparable to that.
Pre-school
4 years old = Pre-school, one year
Primary school
5 years old = Kindergarten
6-11 years = Grade 1-6
Secondary school
12-17 years old = Grade 7-12
Tertiary education (ie. university)
18 years+
And after that, you can stay within the institutions of education as long as you want. :)
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Hungarian system is like this:
KIDS:
Nursery 2-4 for years old
Kindegarden for 4-6 year olds
PRIMARY EDUCATION:
Primary School 6-14 years old + 4 years if you want to take
maturity exam there
SECONDARY EDUCATION:
Secondary School 10-18,12-18,14-18 - you can go for 8,6,4 years.
TERTIARY EDUCATION:
University 4-5 years, higher degree
High School 3-4 years, lesser degree
both give high level diplomas
You can get 1 diploma with state financiation.
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Well to clarify the way is works over here:
5-12 year old attend Elementary School(grades 1-6)
13-18 year olds attend Secondary Education or High School(grades 7-12)
Most of these are publicly funded and free(mostly) for all children to attend. Most of the Public School systems suffer from gross misappropriation of funds, translating into $10,000+ being spent on a per child basis according to state papers, less than a quarter of that tends to make to the level where the child see a benefit, there are too many levels and people to take from the pot before it gets to a local level.
Everything past 12th grade is considered post-Secondary education and is an individuals own personal business. The Government does offer low-interest loans and several Grants(which are given based on demonstrated need).
At a "College" the tuition and fees are usually low enough so those loans and grants can cover most if not all of them.
A "College" focuses on the first four years of post-Secondary education, and most of those are Community/Junior Colleges that provide only two year degrees. These mostly have student populations under 3000.
A "Univeristy" on the other hand offers Masters and PhD level programs. These could have student populations of as low as 10 or 12 thousand or as many as 30,000+(like Auburn Univeristy).
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at 16, im even worried about univeristy fees myself. I hope to go there to study art and design in three years time once i leave college, but even now im thinking of beggining to save money for the time ahead with the part time job i have. indeed, it is a sad state of affairs in britain.
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U.S. = Australia
We just (for the most part) seperate grades 7 - 8 from High School (9-12)
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£8000 for her virginity, I know plenty of women that'd pay me to do it for them.
Ha ha ha
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That model that Thunder posted is pretty accurate, but it still depends on where in England you live. For instance, for me it was thus:
Nursery: 2-4
Infant's School: 4-7
Junior/Primary School: 7-11
High/Secondary School: 11-16 (Although I was 15 when I left, due to the last year being shorter and all that)
College (Where I am now): 16-18
Then Uni: 18-whenever
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While I have conflicting views over this matter of what happened to the girl I also feel a need to point out the difference for those people who have brought up the point 'paying' for ones own education.
Firstly to the matter of 'oh by my parents did them selves'. With all due respect, so what. That was then and this is now, the world has changed a lot in the last few decades and it's a lot harder to find a job these days to boot as well both in the US and in the UK (and the rest).
Secondly, the education systems in the US and the UK are quite different in their overall structuring and working mechanics. Sure there are similarities, but it's a lot more difficult here in the UK to work to pay for an education and study that education at the same time. This is partly down to how our nations economy is structured. Despite out nations size and limited population compared to that of the US and other large countries, we still remain one of the highest economically powerful nations on the planet as well as having the fourth largest industrial economy in the world. That is no small feet by any means and takes a lot of alterations and unique ways of doing things when compared to many other nations (which for those of you interested is why we have VAT on just about everything and our beer and petrol costs so frickin much).
Thirdly, the average US family is three times better off than the average UK family. This is down of several issues including each countries economy and current state of affairs, but it's also down to how life styles have developed over the last 20-30 years both in Britain and in America. And because if this we find ourselves down in the dumps more often because we allowed it to be this way from the start (and later down the line it's usually to hard to change given the surround environment and situations). So as you can understand from this alone providing ones self with an education that you are working to pay for yourself and at the same time is quite a task in itself.