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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: aldo_14 on March 22, 2004, 08:18:28 am

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Post by: aldo_14 on March 22, 2004, 08:18:28 am: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/3556777.stm
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Post by: Drew on March 22, 2004, 09:11:47 am: Quote
Kano opted out of a drive last year, when some Islamic leaders said it was part of a western plot to render Muslim women infertile.

or maybe they were just pissed cuz we were helping em out this time....

stupid gay ass clerics
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Post by: kasperl on March 22, 2004, 09:20:55 am: just FYI, when a vaccin (for another disease) came available in Holland a couple of dozen years ago, we had the local Protestant Church ***** about it not being the will of God.
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Post by: Drew on March 22, 2004, 09:25:28 am: which denomination?
most, if not all Christians belive that medical technology is a gift from God.
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Post by: kasperl on March 22, 2004, 09:28:31 am: I'll be damned if i can remember (no pun intended)

this was quite some time ago, and I only read about it in a history book about 2 years ago.
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Post by: Drew on March 22, 2004, 09:50:41 am: what the hell is that kind of thing doing in a history book?

oh well... the were protestant go figure...:rolleyes:
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Post by: kasperl on March 22, 2004, 10:45:32 am: religions influence on politics and day to day matters?

it was what spiked the debate on mandatory vaccinations for transmittable diseases
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Post by: Kazan on March 22, 2004, 10:51:39 am: religions influence on politics and day to day matters?

it was what got the routine mutilation of males started in the united states, and what keeps it going
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Post by: an0n on March 22, 2004, 10:54:10 am: Ah, natural selection.
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Post by: karajorma on March 22, 2004, 12:13:08 pm: Quote
Originally posted by an0n
Ah, natural selection.

Not really. Many of those affected are probably quite smart and fit but unfortunately were born in a country where they remain poor and uneducated.

This isn't the same as people from the 1st world who refuse treatment for their children on religious grounds. Most of those affected won't get to make a choice on the matter.
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Post by: Crazy_Ivan80 on March 22, 2004, 12:15:50 pm: Quote
Originally posted by kasperl
just FYI, when a vaccin (for another disease) came available in Holland a couple of dozen years ago, we had the local Protestant Church ***** about it not being the will of God.

calvinists I suppose? don't they know predestination doesn't work as advertised! :p
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Post by: Nico on March 22, 2004, 01:52:09 pm: Quote
Originally posted by an0n
Ah, natural selection.

Tell that to Stephen Hawkins :p
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Post by: Kazan on March 22, 2004, 01:54:13 pm: bah.. the "tell that to stephen hawkins" - "we wouldn't have steven hawkins then" yada yada yada bull**** horse**** dog**** and shivan****

Without him, someone else would have thought it
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Post by: an0n on March 22, 2004, 01:59:33 pm: I fail to see how Stephen Hawkins is evident of the flaws in natural selection.

For a start, he's still alive. And any inability to procreate due to his disability is negated by the fact that he's smart enough, rich enough and famous enough to have scores of women willing to be knocked up by his extracted sperm.

If anything, he supports natural selection.
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Post by: IceFire on March 22, 2004, 02:56:45 pm: Stephen Hawking has been hit by a car a bunch of times, dealt with his disability and is still alive to tell about it and write books that I can't even begin to fathom.

The mans got some serious will to live...thats natural selection for me enough.

I can but also can't believe that story. I'm generally starting to develop apathy for people who want to hurt other people like that. Polio injections aren't a western bred conspiracy...
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Post by: Setekh on March 23, 2004, 04:52:07 am: It is a sad situation, isn't it Ice? I wonder sometimes, how such heroism and worthiness can be found in mankind, right alongside hurtful, horrible beings.
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Post by: Nico on March 23, 2004, 05:28:55 am: Quote
Originally posted by Kazan
bah.. the "tell that to stephen hawkins" - "we wouldn't have steven hawkins then" yada yada yada bull**** horse**** dog**** and shivan****

Without him, someone else would have thought it

Or maybe not, how could you know? :p
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Post by: Kazan on March 23, 2004, 09:07:47 am: it's enevitable that someone would think of it - gven enough trials the probability of any [possible] thing happening approaches 1
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Post by: aldo_14 on March 23, 2004, 09:11:49 am: It's a moot point..... what if Steven Hawkings wasn't paraplegic? What if Einstein or any other scientists had failed to discover some crucial thingybob or other? etc......

Of course, you could say the issue is not just if something happens, but also when......
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Post by: karajorma on March 23, 2004, 12:39:35 pm: Exactly Aldo. Someone would eventually have thought of it but when?

As an example the ancient Greeks knew that the world was round. Think about how long it took for people to figure that one out again after the Dark Ages even though technology had improved in general.