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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Martinus on March 22, 2004, 08:18:58 am
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[color=66ff00]This'll teach you to prank call.
Link (//www.liquidgeneration.com/rumormill/nokia_stungun.html)
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Imagine if you are talking on the phone and you press the wrong button... ouch!! :D
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Mwuahahahaahaha..
more bond tech reaching the commercial reality of today
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The U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission says it is studying whether or not the device is safe for consumers to use without a license. According to their website, the phone is currently being tested on people of various height and weight, including children and animals.
“If people want to talk on the phone and stun people at the same time, that’s their business,” said CPSC commissioner Mary Sheila Gail, “We just want to make sure [the phone gun] is safe, and if that means requiring the consumer to get a license, then so be it.”
Because, of course, you need a license to own a gun, and no-one ever misuses them.........
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Dude, ****. this is just bloody wrong.
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:lol: Dude, sweet. :D
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Now if you could only active those remotely and ploy the telesales companies into buying them it would all just be so worth it ;7
But otherwise it's a bit over the top I think.
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...new terrorism weapon anybody?
...jeeze...who shut down reality inc...cause who ever did needs to re-open it or get a dose of it's products...
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Originally posted by aldo_14
Because, of course, you need a license to own a gun, and no-one ever misuses them.........
did u know that there has never been a criminal offence involving a gun by a licensed gun owner in the state of Georgia, ever?
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go look up an air tazer. those things are badass!
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This is the worst idea ever.
I'm sorry - I'm all for it in the sense of my own personal defence. But do I trust the ****ers that run around my town thinking they're gods gift to humanity and starting fights with anyone who looks at them funny or dares to wear a piece of dark/non-brand clothing?
Hell no.
And of course if these get released in the UK there'll be all kinds of laws - accidents and other BS regarding phones. Does Nokia really think that some tit won't get boozed up in some club - take a disliking to the guy next to him and then just zap the guy from 10 feet away in a crowd? You'd never be able to tell who did it if he ripped the wires free and left the club... and there are so many more applications for stupidity.
Meh.. Nice one Nokia.
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And then, when the battery starts to go, it'll discharge in your pocket...
Why can't people be satisfied with phones being phones?
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Originally posted by Drew
did u know that there has never been a criminal offence involving a gun by a licensed gun owner in the state of Georgia, ever?
do you know guns kill people?
Therin lies my objection*.
*I'm inordinately proud that we banned the things outright after Dunblane, BTW
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Originally posted by Kalfireth
This is the worst idea ever.
I'm sorry - I'm all for it in the sense of my own personal defence. But do I trust the ****ers that run around my town thinking they're gods gift to humanity and starting fights with anyone who looks at them funny or dares to wear a piece of dark/non-brand clothing?
Hell no.
And of course if these get released in the UK there'll be all kinds of laws - accidents and other BS regarding phones. Does Nokia really think that some tit won't get boozed up in some club - take a disliking to the guy next to him and then just zap the guy from 10 feet away in a crowd? You'd never be able to tell who did it if he ripped the wires free and left the club... and there are so many more applications for stupidity.
Meh.. Nice one Nokia.
Yea, I know. The woman and guys out there who carry around a regular stun gun and pepper spray. They do that sort of stuff all the time :rolleyes:
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I think in theory it's a great idea. Women could have protection of a stun gun without having to buy another product. But, there's a lot of kids here in Miami that like to buy the latest and the greatest and went crazy with those camera phones. I mean, REALLY crazy. I can just imagine little 15 year old's bored at the movies or the mall stunning people for the giggles. Or in fights...
If they're going to be selling these, I suggest they sell these at a really high, disgusting price so it wouldn't be something a kid could just buy... Although, most kids just have their parents buy them.
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Originally posted by aldo_14
do you know guns kill people?
*ahem* PEOPLE kill people. Guns are deadweight without people.
Semantics, yes, but it's an important difference. Here in Israel, where everyone (more or less) goes through the army, and hence learns to treat weapons with the respect and caution they deserve, there are virtually no accidental deaths due to firearms. Also, because bearing arms is legal (permit required), crime such as breaking and entering or dark alley assault is extremely low - you never know if your victim has a gun.
The conclusion is simply that with the proper training and respect, a society can often function better when guns are allowed. After all, if guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.
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Originally posted by Sandwich
*ahem* PEOPLE kill people. Guns are deadweight without people.
Semantics, yes, but it's an important difference. Here in Israel, where everyone (more or less) goes through the army, and hence learns to treat weapons with the respect and caution they deserve, there are virtually no accidental deaths due to firearms. Also, because bearing arms is legal (permit required), crime such as breaking and entering or dark alley assault is extremely low - you never know if your victim has a gun.
The conclusion is simply that with the proper training and respect, a society can often function better when guns are allowed. After all, if guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.
i'd tend to agree.. semi-auto firearms were banned in australia after the port-arthur massacre.. irony is, that i still hear about firearm-related offences just as often in the news..:doubt:
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Now, how do I set my laser printer to stun? :D
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Originally posted by aldo_14
do you know guns kill people?
Therin lies my objection*.
*I'm inordinately proud that we banned the things outright after Dunblane, BTW
and dont make me quote switzerlands record.
in Switzerland, since pre WW2, all males were issued (nowadays assault) rifles for their required militia service and were required to keep them at home, yet little crime exists there.
Its often speculated this was one of the reasons hitler allied with the swiss instead of attacking them.
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Originally posted by Sandwich
The conclusion is simply that with the proper training and respect, a society can often function better when guns are allowed. After all, if guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.
However if guns are banned it becomes much harder for gangs of 15 years olds to get them.
Basically there are some countries where guns can be owned responsibly by almost everyone and the problems are low. Switzerland has a higher gun ownership ratio than the US. Canada also has plenty of guns. The simple fact is that guns are treated properly in those countries.
However the UK and USA are not such countries. There are large swathes of people who shouldn't be allowed near guns in both countries. The UK responded to the problem by banning them completely. The US continues to ignore the problem and hopes it gets better. I very much doubt it will so I for one agree with Aldo that getting rid of them completely was a very smart move.
It hasn't resulted in a huge rise in muggings or burglaries either.
@Drew. I ask you this. What do you think would happen in the USA if every male was issued an assult rifle?
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Originally posted by karajorma
@Drew. I ask you this. What do you think would happen in the USA if every male was issued an assult rifle?
1). No more Mexicans will cross the border... EVER. :D
2). No more overpopulation.
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There's a subtle difference between keeping something in your home that can harm someone - and taking it to the movies with you, or to a club. Also - nowhere in the UK can kids get hold of a gun across the counter. If these things get issued without any kind of age limit or whatever on them - any fool could walk in off the street, get hold of one and put it to god knows what kind of use. Producing harmful weapons into such an every-day device as a phone is a terrible idea. Thousands of people carry mobiles - but not thousands of people carry stun guns or sprays.
Heck, if anything this device could be used to aid rapists, muggers and thugs since it renders the victim incapable of self defence. Imagine it, you're cornered in an alley by a violent man or a gang of thugs - you're thinking of running or maybe fighting but before you know it you're on the ground with 50,000 volts passing through you. Curtosy of "self defence" equipment built into a phone.
Any object capable of self defence can just as easily be used in an offensive fashion. Making it easily accessable is a bad idea.
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aye, but the majority of people arnt rapist's muggers and thugs. If all the honest potential rape, mugger, and thug victims were self defended, not many potential rapists, muggers and thugs would actually want to rape, mugg and er... thug.
Law abiding citizens have the right to keep and bear arms. Criminals dont. But if we make a law that says both cannot have guns, who is more likely to break that law, the law abider or law breaker.
About childerent having guns. There have been multiple studies about childeren brought up with guns. Childerent who have fathers to instill in them a fear of guns and the proper use of guns, often never misuse them. Kids who just pick one up off the street are more likly to go and kill.
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How can you determine whether someone is a criminal or not when they buy a gun? What if a person buys a gun then commits their first offence? What about all the muggers, rapists, etc who buy guns because they know their victim may have one?
I mean, Ashcroft actually forbid the FBI from checking if terrorist suspects had bought guns or not, because of the 2nd amendment. Recovered Al-Queda manuals also recommend that their 'operatives' legally buy and train with handguns (and heavier weaponry) in the US.
Do you honestly want a mini-arms race between the law-abiding citizens / police and the criminals? Where more and more dangerous weaponry is legalised because it's available illegally?
http://www.csgv.org/docUploads/Gun%20Violence%20Fact%20Sheet%2Epdf
http://www.campusalliance.org/problem/death.asp
http://www.helpnetwork.org/pressconf.htm
http://www.hpjc.org/issues_guncontrol.html
http://www.ichv.org/Statistics.htm
( http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=%22us+gun+deaths%22 )
Multiple sources on this subject..... notably, look at both the murder statistics per-person (where the US has over 10 times the gun murders of England and Wales), and also the simple fact that over a thousand people die annually accidentally from gunfire.
If any other consumer product carried this level of risk, would you accept it? They sell guns in superstores..... the ability to kill for the common man. Is it really worth it? Wouldn't you rather have a society without guns?
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what most suprised and concerned me on my vacation in the states (appart from the RV falling apart around us) was when we went to Walmart to get a camping axe to chop some wood for the fireplace, next to the camping articles were the sporting rifles and 9mm pistols, with ammo. Selling gun's in a store, i could even somewhat understand, but in a supermarket? "Yeah hone, we need 2 packs of milk, 20 eggs, one 9mm with ammo, and don't forget to bring some meat for tonight, will you?".
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Originally posted by kasperl
what most suprised and concerned me on my vacation in the states (appart from the RV falling apart around us) was when we went to Walmart to get a camping axe to chop some wood for the fireplace, next to the camping articles were the sporting rifles and 9mm pistols, with ammo. Selling gun's in a store, i could even somewhat understand, but in a supermarket? "Yeah hone, we need 2 packs of milk, 20 eggs, one 9mm with ammo, and don't forget to bring some meat for tonight, will you?".
Well.... you need that gun for the dangerous walk from the shop to the car. :)
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Exactly. Give people firearms and the more violent amongst them will carry it - even if they feel it's just for protection. Then when it looks like trouble is brewing outside a club they get violent - they start shooting.
And it'd be so much easier to commit an offence with a non-lethal stun gun built into a phone, because you might not even have that warning in the back of your head that says you could kill someone with what you're carrying.
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Meh, if they gave me a gun I wouldn't carry it unless I'm given a good reason to. :doubt:
To pre-emptively carry a gun is for cowards really.
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thats nice aldo. Unfortunatly, those statistics are completely false
look here.
http://www.bowlingfortruth.com/bowlingforcolumbine/scenes/countries.htm
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OMG!!!!111oneoneone Bowling for Columbine stats!!!!
:p:D:p
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Congratulations... you've just convinced me that crimes in the US are just a little lower than those I expected in comparison to other contries. I find interesting (funny) the way he casually ignores the crime rates of those other countries in comparison to the US.
*thinks about moving to Japan*
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Originally posted by karajorma
However if guns are banned it becomes much harder for gangs of 15 years olds to get them.
Of course, but that's not the point. You can't simply and suddenly allow weapons to be legally carried on a society where they were banned previously - that's madness. To be honest, I'm not sure how you'd go about making a change from weapons being banned to being allowed. All I know is that here, those 15-year olds, as well as their 9 year old sisters and 5 year old little brothers, see Daddy coming home from reserves once a year with a gun, and - if the parents are responsible - they are taught to "fear" (respect-fear, not scared-fear) weaponry out of their father's example.
Originally posted by Kalfireth
There's a subtle difference between keeping something in your home that can harm someone - and taking it to the movies with you, or to a club. Also - nowhere in the UK can kids get hold of a gun across the counter. If these things get issued without any kind of age limit or whatever on them - any fool could walk in off the street, get hold of one and put it to god knows what kind of use.
Here (again using Israel as the example I know best), you can't just "buy" a gun. You need to get a permit to carry one, which is government-issued. The government decides or whether you can have a gun based on a number of factors, among them I would assume are past army service record (which most of the population has), stated need for the gun (settlers living in the territories have a much greater chance of being permitted a gun, as their daily travels are in much higher danger of coming under direct attack than a Tel-Avivian), etc.
Originally posted by Drew
About childerent having guns. There have been multiple studies about childeren brought up with guns. Childerent who have fathers to instill in them a fear of guns and the proper use of guns, often never misuse them. Kids who just pick one up off the street are more likly to go and kill.
Took the words right out of my mouth. ;)
Originally posted by aldo_14
( http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=%22us+gun+deaths%22 )
Multiple sources on this subject..... notably, look at both the murder statistics per-person (where the US has over 10 times the gun murders of England and Wales), and also the simple fact that over a thousand people die annually accidentally from gunfire.
http://www.guncite.com/cnngunde.html
Last paragraph.... per 100,000 people:
US...14.24
Israel...2.91
England and Wales...0.41
And from here:
http://reason.com/cy/cy031802.shtml
[q]Consider, too, countries where guns are common and crime is rare. Switzerland boasts a heavily armed population and a thriving gun culture (shooting contests for children are a popular tradition). Yet its homicide rates are comparable to Great Britain's. Israel, where most adults are either on active military duty or in the reserves and almost every home has a weapon, also has a low murder rate, on a par with most of Western Europe.[/q]
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Pointing at other cultures is stupid. The site Drew quotes seems to think that Bowling For Colombine was saying that Gun Control is the solution for all guns everywhere. In fact the message was different. The message was quite simply Americans can't be trusted with guns. A country should only be allowed guns when the general population have shown that they are peaceful enough to warrent it.
The Swiss manage it. From what Sandwich is saying the Israelis manage it. The Canadians manage it. The British couldn't so we banned them. The Americans can't but don't seem to care.
That's the real problem. So quit pointing at other countries. The reason why the Swiss don't have carnage on the streets every day is because they show a level of maturity with guns that the British and the American are yet to show. Both are very violent nations and while that remains true you can't point at a peaceful nation and say "well they don't descend into a bloodbath so we won't".
Originally posted by Tiara
1). No more Mexicans will cross the border... EVER. :D
2). No more overpopulation.
No more Americans by the end of the week too most likely. :)
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arr? *snip snip*
Originally posted by karajorma
No more stupid Americans by the end of the week too most likely. :)
;7
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Originally posted by Drew
No more stupid Americans by the end of the week too most likely.
Don't tempt me.
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Originally posted by Drew
No more stupid Americans by the end of the week too most likely.
;7
If you think they'd only kill stupid americans I see a toe tag in your future.
They'd go after the rich first. Then they'd go after anyone who pissed them off in any way.
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i find it ****ty we have these kinds of people in the first place that want the hard man image - or fear, and so respect, of others by carrying a gun.
isnt society screwed up
meh..
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Originally posted by Kalfireth
Also - nowhere in the UK can kids get hold of a gun across the counter.
Yes, thats true, they get them from down alley's and in other discreet places. Thats why, gun crime has actually increased with the advent of tougher gun laws. Its pretty easy to get a gun. Course, knifes are much more popular.
One can look at Canada, which has lots of guns, yet its murder rate is a lot lower than the US.
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Originally posted by Tiara
1). No more Mexicans will cross the border... EVER. :D
2). No more overpopulation.
yeah. God forbid they ever issue every redneck a rifle.
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Originally posted by Stealth
yeah. God forbid they ever issue every redneck a rifle.
Nah, they just gave one the big red button (TM) that fires the nukes.
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damn. that's so true :blah:
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Bloody scary too :(
The fact is that if someone spends money on a gun, they are going to itch to use it, it's like owning a Sports Car, it's something that makes you look 'big' so you are not going to keep it in the garage all the time. :)
Edit : I seem to have a car obsession today ;)
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Originally posted by Flipside
Bloody scary too :(
The fact is that if someone spends money on a gun, they are going to itch to use it, it's like owning a Sports Car, it's something that makes you look 'big' so you are not going to keep it in the garage all the time. :)
Edit : I seem to have a car obsession today ;)
Probably why they restrict presidents to 2 terms (IIRC)..............
Betcha George Dubya gets Donald Rumsfield to tell him bedtime stories about how his dad almost nuked the commies.....