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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: aldo_14 on March 22, 2004, 08:32:06 am
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I had to steal the title too......... :)
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/28/36408.html
Tapwater with added carcinogen - yummy!
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Funny thing is that I think people who buy still mineral water when tap water is available shouldn't breed. Coke apparently thought so too and were putting bromide in the water :D
The only problem was their use of ozone to further purify the water was turning it into bromate :)
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[color=66ff00]The only problem about using the word 'spunky' over here is it tends to make you think that the water has a high protien/zinc content. :wtf:
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.......While I'm rather impressed you've memorised the contents of semen: Ewwwww.
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rofl :P
anyway, glad to see the bottled tap water menace is gone from our shelves , hoorah! :D
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Oh and as always, The Register fails to report the whole story.
Legal levels of Bromates in the EU are 25ppm and in the UK 10ppm. The Dasani had in the region of 19-22ppm.
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Actually, Maeg didn't list all the contents of semen, an0n. If you'd like I can list for your the most common ingredients and the nutritional value if you'd like.
Regardless: there's a difference between bottled purified water and tap water, generally. I don' t know about your tap water, but the tap water we get in my area is chlorinated and flouridated and passed through rusty copper and iron pipes. The end result tastes something like licking a rock. Even purified water like Dasani (or Pepsi's slightly cheaper, but exactly the same product, Aquafina) is better than the tap water.
What I don't get is the percieved difference between spring water and purified water. Purified water has fewer impurities and has to meet higher standards than spring water, yet spring water is considered superior.
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It's the whole "straight from nature" angle. The only problem is that anything that comes straight from nature has issues just the same as anything else. And I really don't think drinking one as opposed to the other will do you any better.
Meh, I don't care.
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Penn and Teller's Bull**** did a thing on bottle water like 2-3 weeks back on FX!.
Turns out, people are morons.
They set-up shop in this posh food-place (*can't spell restarurant*) and filled a bunch of plastic bottles with water from this ****ty, dirt-encrusted old hose out back, slapped some labels on them like "Amazonian Pure" and "Glacial Blue". They even put a plastic spider in one of them and told the people it helped to keep the water pure.
Then they trotted them out for like $8/bottle and had people sample them as they would a wine and every single one of the ****ers was like "Yeah, it's alot softer than the last one. You can definitely taste that arctic coldness."
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"Coca Cola adds a bromide derivative into water products to meet UK health laws."
something about that statment seems funny
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Anyone fool enough to pay for water deserves whatever they get. Its natural selection, purifying the gene pool.
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I have to agree there, but we buy the stuff in large quantities, as our tap water is unsafe to drink.
Lead pipes, see.
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Only time I've paid for water was when I've been at college and been too sane to drink the water from the taps in the boys bogs.
And don't even get me started on my old SCHOOL. All the water in the Old Block flowed from a big rain-tank on the roof. It hadn't been cleaned out in like 10 years and when they finally got around to it they found like 6 dead seagulls in it. They quickly placed "Not safe to drink" signs at all the taps.
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It hadn't been cleaned out in like 10 years and when they finally got around to it they found like 6 dead seagulls in it.
Did they drown or did the water killed them? :D
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The 'water' probably attacked them.
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Minor "Flood" then...
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Originally posted by Petrarch of the VBB
I have to agree there, but we buy the stuff in large quantities, as our tap water is unsafe to drink.
Lead pipes, see.
Unfortunately this was little more than tap water from Sidcup with some bromide added and ozone bubbled through it. They would then mark up the price from the 0.03p they paid for it to 95p.
BTW For those of you not that chemically literate bromide was used in WWII to suppress sexual desire in the troops :)
Lets not also forget that the high concentrations of calcium in London tap water is actually supposed to be good for the heart and bones. No doubt they removed large amounts of calcium via ion exchange thereby robbing it of one of the benificial properties of the tap water.
@Anon just because the EU have a higher standard than ours doesn't mean that Britain is being overprotective. There are several chemical standards that we have that are much lower than the equivalent EU ones. Standards are set after lots of discussion and compromise so the higher EU standard is probably due to someone on the continent using bromate for something.
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I wasn't implying the UK was being over-protective.
I was implying that it won't be long before the EU forces us to lower safety standards to suit their ****ty laws.
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Apparently the water we get around here (the midlands) is as pure as bottled water anyway, I certainly can't tell the difference.
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Originally posted by 01010
Apparently the water we get around here (the midlands) is as pure as bottled water anyway, I certainly can't tell the difference.
Soft water area. Your water tastes better but isn't as good for you. Funny how that's always the way.
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Originally posted by karajorma
Soft water area. Your water tastes better but isn't as good for you. Funny how that's always the way.
I don't know if it's that soft, we get quite a lot of lime in our water, I think it's fluoridated too. Comes from the Elan valley in Wales though (beautiful place to visit). So technically it's "Giant, ****off, huge, mountain spring water".
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You know - i have a filter system attached to my tap that makes water higher quality than that stuff - 75 gallons per day of 100% PURE H20 -- not a single contaiminant - NOTHING
5 Stage RO/DI - Polyfilter -> 5 micro carbon block -> 1 micron carbon block -> Reverse Osmosis unit -> De-ionization unit
I made about 1500 gallons before having to change all the "soiling filters" (Everyhing but the RO membrane) - the unit is $250 and a complete filter change is $50
Do I drink this water? NO
I add a specific mineral mix to it to reconsitute it for fish to live in. And they get perfectly mixed water -- makes the things breed like crazy! We have blue rams and angelfish spawning at will in our community tank [the rams babies end up getting eaten by the corydorae after they hatch because the rams then move them to the bottom - we remove the angel egg clusters to prevent them from becoming picsicydal (fish killers)]
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Why?
Tap water parameters:
PH 9.2
Hardness: 350 ppm
Addatives: Chlorine, Chloramine, Flouride (all fish-poisonous)
Mineral Contaimnants: Copper (deadly to fish), Zinc (ditto), Magenesium, etc
Microbial Contaiminants: Oodinium (hazardous to fish, and humans in high enough concentration, Oodinium is known to survive water treatment plants) and other unkown microbes
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I hope you realise how much money you could make selling the pure water and all the baby fish.
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we would LOOSE money on selling pure water and baby blue rams or baby angelfish -- you have to raise a fish to a certain age before you can sell them
we raise and sell show quality bettas
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I didn't mean specifically just those fish.
You should breed a shoal of those neon-fish thingies. They go for like £3 each around here and every moron little kid wants ten.
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Originally posted by an0n
I didn't mean specifically just those fish.
You should breed a shoal of those neon-fish thingies. They go for like £3 each around here and every moron little kid wants ten.
I remember neon tetras being a lot cheaper, tho..... about 30p each IIRC. Don't have 'em now, though - we gave the tank away to a home for the mentally disabled.
Oh, and the tapwater in the more northen parts of scotland is pretty damn pure IIRC. I remember going up to Ardgarten wi' the primary school, the water there was literally like spring water. Even the stuff in the streams was pure, albeit I wouldn;t touch it with a 10 foot bargepole (in case the local wildlife pissed in it).
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What's the point in buying bottled water newayz, except when your country has crap for water?
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Its hip. Like Starbucks, where you pay $5 for a cup of coffee.
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Yeah, if you're lucky.
Anyone who pays $8 for a moccafrappacafechiapetino should be ****ing shot.
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You mean losing $8 isn't bad enough? :wtf:
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Originally posted by an0n
I didn't mean specifically just those fish.
You should breed a shoal of those neon-fish thingies. They go for like £3 each around here and every moron little kid wants ten.
and proceed to have my ass sued off for copyright/patent violations
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Originally posted by Kazan
and proceed to have my ass sued off for copyright/patent violations
You'd be sued over copyright violations for breeding and selling fish? Oo;;;
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Indeed. Some species/breeds are patented thanks to our bull**** patent system.
What it boils down to is that you have to be licensed to produce and/or sell certain species. If Kaz were to do so without paying a hefty license fee (and royalty to the patent holder), he'd be looking at painfully stiff penalties.
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Bottled water isn't exactly living up to the same standards as tap water is. Tap water is of course cheaper and safer, since they must pass higher standards than bottle water.
I read an article a while back (can't remember the site) that bottled water has a small percentage for the allowance of micro-organisms and other water containments. The site that had this article recommended using water filters at home and this was purely aimed to filter out the chlorine (this chemical can cause cancer) and other minor containments. I doubt though that the filters take out fluoride, especially when a substance like that is healthy for the teeth. They also said that drinking standards for tap water in the US and Australia were very good compared to the rest of the world.
Bottled water should have higher standards..... it makes you think that your only paying for the plastic and not the contents :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by mikhael
Indeed. Some species/breeds are patented thanks to our bull**** patent system.
What it boils down to is that you have to be licensed to produce and/or sell certain species. If Kaz were to do so without paying a hefty license fee (and royalty to the patent holder), he'd be looking at painfully stiff penalties.
I think its Monsanto that started it off. They had this very simple organism that was basically just a few chemical molecules put together, but it was very useful for cleaning up oil spills I think. So, they went to patent it, and the courts decided that it was life. So, Monstanto changed the laws so that patenting life was legal. And now it is. All the big biotech companies are jumping voer each other to patent different DNA structures, all of which are formed naturally.
You can patent anything except a fully developed human being. Which means all animals and plants are OK, as well as the human genome (individual parts). So, when they develop a genetic cure for AIDS or whatever, guess whos going to be cashing in the royalties.
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Originally posted by Rictor
Its hip. Like Starbucks, where you pay $5 for a cup of coffee.
Or indeed whenever anyone buys anything from a major brand name, etc.
£20+ for a T-shirt, just because it has an irritatingly placed tick on it.
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Tap water here is usually... brown. So I get bottle water and piss at the ass of everybody who think it's wrong. Retards.
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Originally posted by Nico
Tap water here is usually... brown. So I get bottle water and piss at the ass of everybody who think it's wrong. Retards.
If your tap water is **** I don't blame you. I wouldn't blame someone in Africa for only drinking bottled water.
But water in the UK and US is pretty clean so the only excuse for buying still bottled water is just to try to look cool.
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The problem with the water here is that it has an insane amount of chlore, making it nearly undrinkable...
Spring water here is the best solution along with mineral, because in Sardinia most tap water comes from lakes and underground veins, it must be treated heavily with chlore and the final results tastes like drinking from a swimming pool...
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Tap water in Peebles is sometimes brown, IIRC. I remember staying at a hotel there with disclaimers relating to that........
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Originally posted by karajorma
If your tap water is **** I don't blame you. I wouldn't blame someone in Africa for only drinking bottled water.
But water in the UK and US is pretty clean so the only excuse for buying still bottled water is just to try to look cool.
Tap water in the US in general is clean. Heck, my tap water is safe to drink, according to the state. I just don't like the FLAVOR or the SMELL of it. Let's look up the definition of water:
WATER: binary compound that occurs at room temperature as a clear colorless odorless tasteless liquid; freezes into ice below 0 degrees centigrade and boils above 100 degrees centigrade; widely used as a solvent
Emphasis, of course, is mine. Water isn't supposed to have a flavor or a smell, and mine does. This is wrong.
Second, and slightly less importantly, bottled water is really helpful for monitoring my daily water intake. I try to drink at least two litres of water a day (about half a gallon), which works out to about four bottles. At any given point I can tell how much water I've ingested just by counting the empties on the bar.
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If you don't like the taste of chlorine simply chill tap water. It gets rid of a lot of the taste.
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Unfortunately, most of the stuff in my water, as noted previously, ISN'T chlorine.