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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: redsniper on March 24, 2004, 11:13:38 pm
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...and it worked! :D
As a few of you know by now from previous threads, I've been builidng a computer. I finally got the hoe all assembled, booted it up for the first time and it ran fine (it actually turned on, the processor didn't melt, etc.) This was my first time building a computer so I'm just very... satisfyed now.
Specs:
Mobo: Asus A7N8X-E Deluxe
CPU: AMD Athlon 2800+
RAM: 512 MB PC 3200
HDD: Maxtor DiamondMax 9 Plus 80GB (somethin' like that)
CD/DVD: 52x24x52/16x CD burner/DVD ROM
Video: ATI Radeon 9800 Pro'
Sound: onboard
Floppy: yes
Life is good.
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BAAD Choice of chipset IMPO (professional)
otherwise good system you got going there
i would have gone for double the ram and PC2700 because PC3200 still has big performance and compatability problems
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Nowhere near as much as before. As long as you buy a good name, you tend not to have problems if you run it at the SPD timings. It's only when you get more agressive you have problems :p
Or if you have a really picky motherboard.
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The RAM's probably running at 2700 speeds anyway, or at least it should be, you get better performance with the memory and FSB frequencies in sync than having them out of sync.
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Unless he's overclocking.
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Originally posted by Admiral LSD
The RAM's probably running at 2700 speeds anyway, or at least it should be, you get better performance with the memory and FSB frequencies in sync than having them out of sync.
:nod: :nod: :nod: :cool:
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with the exeption of th-e that is the exact same mobo as me, it seems to be running fine, the only proble I have is the damned tv tuner card only works half the time, and I'm completly certan it's the software ATI made for it, becase the old card I got from them worked flawlesly, and the new card worked with the old software as far as I could tell, but after I upgraded to the software (that would let me use the stereo sound) it would only work half the time. :mad:
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Originally posted by Kazan
BAAD Choice of chipset IMPO (professional)
otherwise good system you got going there
i would have gone for double the ram and PC2700 because PC3200 still has big performance and compatability problems
Tell me, why exactly is the nForce2 Ultra 400 chipset with the MCP-T southbridge and soundstorm considered a bad chipset?
We all know how the NF3-150 is not that great, but the NF2U400 is considered the best AthlonXP chipset.
IMAO (amateur) you're not making any sense (unless it's just your nVidia bias showing).
And redsniper, nice system. It's good enough for most anything (even without overclocking) and doesn't break the bank. I'd have done some things differently, but I live in Canada ;)
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That's a bit of a question. Do you prefer having to put things onto the PCI bus when you need peripherals?
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I'd of got more RAM though, bigger hard drive maybe, if you get another 512 of RAM you'll have the perfict FSO machine
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Ah, you mean the PCI problems it has. I've forgotten about that.
However... *glances at redsniper's specs*
...nope he doesn't really have anything that needs to go into a pci slot so he's safe.
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I was actually asking Kazan if he preferred having to hook up NICs and sound cards in all of his computers.
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lol, well I was remembering that sometimes people have problems with pci devices with the NF2. Not that I've ever had such a problem, but I've heard about it.
In any case, the nic and the sound on this particular board are rather nice quality and I don't really see a reason not to use them
Heck, one of the reasons I don't like NF3 is the lack of Sounstorm.
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I'm currently wondering about Azalia. We already know it will beat AC97. Will it be as good as Soundstorm, is the question.
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Originally posted by redsniper
Mobo: Asus A7N8X-E Deluxe
Video: ATI Radeon 9800 Pro'
Mobo: Good Choice. :) I have it too.
Video: I'm too jealous to form a coherent retort. :p
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Originally posted by Raa Tor'h
Video: I'm too jealous to form a coherent retort. :p
:nod: :p
I really would go for more RAM, though. Get a gig total. A gig is a nice amount. ;)
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Originally posted by redsniper
...and it worked! :D
*snip*
Life is good.
[color=66ff00]I believe any argument about chipsets is irrelevant at this point, the aforementioned quote sums up everything. :nod:
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I'm also running A7N8X Deluxe without any issues and I'm QUITE happy with it. Its probably the best AMD chipset type around and Asus has an excellent implementation of features and performance.
Nice system you have put together there! Well done and congratulations. Last summer I built myself my present machine and I'm glad I did. Its nice to know exactly what you've put in there.
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i don't trust ANYTHINHG out of nVidia
you know those integrated devices? those are on the PCI bus too - nothing wrong with PCI
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Originally posted by Maeglamor
[color=66ff00]I believe any argument about chipsets is irrelevant at this point, the aforementioned quote sums up everything. :nod:
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zigackly.
If it works, who cares?
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exactly the attitude that microsoft wants
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Originally posted by Kazan
exactly the attitude that microsoft wants
Since when did anything MS made actually work properly?
anyways, lighten up. Methinks you're getting a bit overly vehement on this topic - let us all celebrate the marvel of this futuristic lego that is computer building.
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Originally posted by Kazan
exactly the attitude that microsoft wants
[color=66ff00]You don't think you're taking this whole anti M$ thing a bit too far?
Oh well, aldo beat me to it. At least I know it's not just me! ;)
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Originally posted by Kazan
i don't trust ANYTHINHG out of nVidia
you know those integrated devices? those are on the PCI bus too - nothing wrong with PCI
I don't have any real problem with PCI either. But if you have decent integrated (not cheap stuff like integrated graphics) then why bother with an add-in card? And some of the newer stuff is integrated right on the South Bridge, bypassing the PCI bus entirely (specifically, the Gigabit Ethernet connection on the NF3 250Gb, which seems to be the first remotely decent nVidia chipset for the A64).
And don't insult nVidia - older nVidia products, at least. The GF4 Ti series wasn't half bad, and beat everything ATI had until the Radeon 9700 came along. Of course, the FX line is the worst travesty in video cards we've seen for a while.
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Originally posted by Kazan
you know those integrated devices? those are on the PCI bus too - nothing wrong with PCI
Not really, not any more. Chipset manufacturers moved away from using the PCI bus as the interconnect between the North and South bridges a while ago (Intel started it with the i810 I believe) and now most integrated hardware (including the PCI bus itself) connects to whatever proprietary bus (which in the case of nForce 1/2/3 is AMDs HyperTransport) they use instead.
edit: Actually, the onboard graphics of the nForce chipsets isn't half-bad. Granted, dependence on system memory strangles performance somewhat but it still similar offerings from Via or SiS into next week.
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Originally posted by redsniper
Mobo: Asus A7N8X-E Deluxe
CPU: AMD Athlon 2800+
RAM: 512 MB PC 3200
HDD: Maxtor DiamondMax 9 Plus 80GB (somethin' like that)
CD/DVD: 52x24x52/16x CD burner/DVD ROM
Video: ATI Radeon 9800 Pro'
Sound: onboard
Floppy: yes
Just don't make a .sig out of it.
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I think a link would be more appropriate :nod:.
Cool Rig u got there redsniper :yes:
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my gripes with nVidia follow:
1) Poor R&D - causing subpar performance, quality
2) Poor Fabrication Techniques - increase chip failure rate
3) Poor resource management [things like having their drivers overclock the board] - increase chip failure rate, compatability down
these are the basic points
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Originally posted by Kazan
my gripes with nVidia follow:
1) Poor R&D - causing subpar performance, quality
2) Poor Fabrication Techniques - increase chip failure rate
3) Poor resource management [things like having their drivers overclock the board] - increase chip failure rate, compatability down
these are the basic points
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Explain how this has to do with the NF2 chipset. We know that the nv3x isn't great, but show how this is true about the NF2.
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Not true. The original nv30 had problems since it was using 0.13 micron tech from TSMC. The technology has since matured and the problems ironed out. Moreover, the NF2 chipset is based on a older process and this doesn't even apply. In fact nVidia is now using IBM's fabs for their chips (since nv35) and there's really no reason to say that IBM's fabs are poor.
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Um, the NF2 chipset doesn't overclock the CPU if that's what you mean (if it does, it's the fault of the mobo manufacturer since there are plenty of board where this isn't the case). If you're referring to their video cards (which doesn't mean anything about the NF2 chipset AGAIN), you should know that the 9800XT from ATI also dynamically overclocks using the driver. Since they still provide a full warranty, this is a moot point and you'd have to show evidence to the contrary.
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i was talking more in general and more in the GPU market - they ruined their rep enough with me that im not going to trust them to build the backbone of my PC using their hardware
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Meh, ATi used to cheat, they turned out ok (although recent Catalyst drivers are starting to become poor again).
I prefer to look at what they doing for each product and pronounce judgement that way.
Under that, I would never buy a nv3x card (except the 5700U or 5900XT) and I'd never get a NF3-150.
I would, however, trust the NF2U400 since it's proven to be good.
Moreover, when I get a new system this christmas (hopefully) I'll have had more than 6 months to compare the nv4x and the r4xx. We'll see if nVidia cleans up their act and produces a competitive GFX card.
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Originally posted by Kazan
i was talking more in general and more in the GPU market - they ruined their rep enough with me that im not going to trust them to build the backbone of my PC using their hardware
I would tend to think that nVidia isn't exactly what you expect it to be. Currently for AMD processors in the XP range the NF2 is better then the VIA chipset. The only other course of action which many of us can't exactly fork out the cash for is the VIA KT chipsets available for the new range of 64-bit processors. :sigh:
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Kazan, you are aware that nVidia and ATi both have their chips built in the same fabs by the same company (TSMC), right? ;)
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Admiral LSB: being built by the same fab doesn't mean they're build to the same specs
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They've been booted out of the IBM foundry, you know. AMD is now taking up all of IBM's production capacity that isn't used for the Power line of chips.