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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: jdjtcagle on April 02, 2004, 07:53:08 pm
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http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,915125,00.html? (http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,915125,00.html?)
Hmmm... Interesting
also, if you're in to this stuff
linky (http://www.philosophers.co.uk/games/whatisgod.htm)
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:wtf: weird...
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This takes thy beliefs and tells you what excactly what you trust in
Link (http://www.beliefnet.com/story/76/story_7665_1.html)
Here is mine:
• Belief in Deity
Trinity of the Father (God), the Son (Christ), and the Holy Spirit that comprises one God Almighty. Many believe God is incorporeal.
• Incarnations
Beliefs vary from the literal to the symbolic belief in Jesus Christ as God's incarnation. Some believe we art all sons and daughters of God and that Christ wast exemplary, but not God.
• Origin of Universe and Life
The Bible's account is symbolic. God created and controls the processes that account for the universe and life (e.g. evolution), as continually revealed by modern science.
• After Death
Goodness wilt somehow be rewarded and evil punished after death, but what is most important is how you show thy faith and conduct thy life on earth.
• Why Evil?
Most do not believe that humanity inherited original sin from Adam and Eve or that Satan actually exists. Most believe that God is good and made people inherently good, but also with free wilt and imperfect nature, which leads some to immoral behavior.
• Salvation
Various beliefs: Some believe all wilt goest to heaven, as God is loving and forgiving. Others believe salvation lies in doing good works and no harm to others, regardless of faith. Some believe baptism is important. Some believe the concept of salvation after death is symbolic or nonexistent.
• Undeserved Suffering
Most Liberal Christians do not believe that Satan causes suffering. Some believe suffering is part of God's plan, will, or design, even if we don't immediately understand it. Some don't believe in any spiritual reasons for suffering, and most take a humanistic approach to helping those in need.
• Contemporary Issues
Most churches teach that abortion is morally wrong, but many ultimately support a woman's right to choose, usually accompanied by policies to provide counseling on alternatives.
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The animated carp commanded Rosen to pray and study the Torah. Rosen tried to kill the fish but injured himself. It was finally butchered by Nivelo and sold.
****ing priceless, Hey, God talked to us through a fish. What you do? Killed him and sold him. :lol: :lol:
JHC I just read the whole article to make sure it wasnt an aprils fool, that nearly makes up for the smoking ban they just brought in here.
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Aw rictor youy ruined one of the funniest things ever to do with religion by posting a cartoon which has nothing to do with what was said :no:
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:lol:
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:wtf: .....:lol:
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Btw jtcagle, is there a version of the quiz/thingy you posted above which caters to religions/non-belivers of every sort, or is it just limited to those who are/were christian/judaic/muslim?
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religions/non-belivers of every sort.:)
on the one where I posted my beliefs
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I thought it was as on-topic as could be expected. It Elftor, what is there not to like :p :p
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the fact that it's insulting peoples beliefs to some point
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The talking fish was right.
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Word is made flesh as God reveals himself... as a fish
Edward Helmore New York
Sunday March 16, 2003
nice job digging up an article over a year old.
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like it matters, still interesting:D
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just goes to show you the things people will make up to get their 15 minutes
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interesting little quiz thing, jdjtcagle. I find it interesting that Liberal Quakerism (they're a great bunch, mind) edged out secular humanism. I've always thought of myself as a secular humanist first and foremost. Maybe a deist. *heh*
1. Unitarian Universalism (100%)
2. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (96%)
3. Liberal Quakers (96%)
4. Secular Humanism (85%)
5. Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (79%)
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I'm a Liberal Protestant :)
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/me gives mik an odd look.... Quakers and Mainlain liberal protestantism over secular humanism....
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I don't see how you call yourself liberal jdj - liberals tend to be pro-human rights
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1. Unitarian Universalism (100%)
2. Liberal Quakers (98%)
3. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (97%)
4. Secular Humanism (81%)
5. Neo-Pagan (80%)
6. New Age (71%)
7. Bahá'í Faith (67%)
8. Theravada Buddhism (63%)
9. Mahayana Buddhism (61%)
10. Reform Judaism (55%)
I placed medium importance on all question, cause I was too lazy to grade each one. I guess that sort of cancels out the whole importance scale.
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Originally posted by Kazan
/me gives mik an odd look.... Quakers and Mainlain liberal protestantism over secular humanism....
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I don't see how you call yourself liberal jdj - liberals tend to be pro-human rights
What do you mean, Kazan???
This is me (http://www.beliefnet.com/story/80/story_8028_1.html)
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Originally posted by Kazan
/me gives mik an odd look.... Quakers and Mainlain liberal protestantism over secular humanism....
Hey, I'm as surprised as you are. :D
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jdjtcagle: weren't you arguing against gay marriage the other day?
Originally posted by mikhael
Hey, I'm as surprised as you are. :D
I wouldn't be suprised if the system just grades poorly
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I HATE gay people!!!
I know that it says that in there but, It's against the bible and nature
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you are admittedly a homophobic bigot
against the bible I'll agree with
How do you say it's against nature - if it's against nature it would surely only occur in our species (WHICH IT DOES NOT, It happens in a great number of species well beyond the primates, well beyond the mammals even)
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why do you hate them? what have they done to you? How does their existance cause a problem for you?
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Oh, not this again, Kaz. He's probably just repressing latent homosexual urges. Leave him alone. Its really not worth the trouble to go through it all again.
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I dont know how, yes I'm homophobic bigot ...
Gay is all in the Mind I thought this has been proven
As for animals and Humans, Humans are the only ones who can control there instincts, as for animals cant
Edit: and Mikhael never been there and don't want to
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Originally posted by jdjtcagle
I dont know how, yes I'm homophobic bigot ...
Gay is all in the Mind I thought this has been proven
No, the opposite has been proven --
there is a very miniscule percentage that are psychological - but trying to 'reprogram' them would do more harm than anything.
Originally posted by jdjtcagle
As for animals and Humans, Humans are the only ones who can control there instincts, as for animals cant
Why should they? if the individual is naturally homosexual why should they? Not to offend some people who believe unsupportable claims from a religious book? No, that would be a violation of their rights.
You don't have to like them, you just can't descriminate against them
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Of course not, jdt. Methinks the lady doth protest, too much.
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:eek:
Are you serious!!!
Your saying that a school teacher or someone
Can't be fired because there gay???
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jdjtcagle: YES - that's a violation of human rights and the US Constitution
why would you want to anyway - gayness isn't contageous, children raised by gay couples have the same exact rate of growing up gay as children raised by heterosexual couples
their gayness isn't going to somehow rub off on your children, they're not out to get you or your children.
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apocalypse take me now...
Me hates the world:(
No offence to anybody, but...
nope shouldn't post it..nope
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Besides, the Simpsons have taught us that if you try to keep your child from catching TEH GAY, you'll just end up in factory full of gay factory workers dancing to C&C Music Factory under a sign that says 'The Tool Box".
I think it was 'The Tool Box' anyway.
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Yes. What they do in the bedroom has no affect on their profession. You can be just as good a teacher whether your are a Democrat or Republic, Black or White, Gay or Straight, Man or Woman, Christian or Mulsim, short or tall and so forth.
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Why?
What is your big problem with homosexuals?
You said "it's unnatural" and were shown to be wrong
you said "it's psychological" and were shown to be wrong
You probably were worried that letting them live their lives promotes homosexuality - you were shown to be wrong
You probably were worried that they were somehow out to get your children - you were shown to be wrong
What is your big issue with them?
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Actually, that really depends on what sort of Christian you are. ;) some of them are reallly really bad at teaching science. ;)
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Occording to my belief other people's sexual preferences should not bother me, but they do... they just do
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mikhael: pretty much all of them are
your beliefs can affect your ability to teach, but being homosexual isn't a belief
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Couldn't those whacthamacollets you were talking about taht have something to do with gayness, Could it not be caused by mental health...
I mean you can make yourself sick if you really believe your sick
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jdjtcagle: that's probably just fear of the unknown - you should try getting to know one.
The thought of it kinda grosses me out to - it will gross out anybody that's not into that. The thought of being heterosexual grosses out a lot of gays too.
I have several gay friends, sometimes it's a little weird being around them - but they never hit on you, etc. They know you're straight and so they know that hitting on you would gross you out most likely (actually If a gay guy tried to hit on me I would take it as a compliment and politely tell him that I'm straight - and i don't know a single gay guy who wouldn't apologize and stop hitting on you)
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occasionally someone is gay out of psychological reasons, it's not often but it does happen. trying to "reprogram" them would do more harm than good.
almost always it's due to genetic predisposition. I talked to one lady the other day who was a total fundamentalist christian and taught her son that gays were evil, yada yada - but he grew up gay - it's just how he is. [She's no longer fundamentalist christian]
Did you know the Vice president's daughter Mary Cheney is a lesbian?
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Kaz, given the distribution of people on HLP, its almost a statistical guarantee that we've got gay people here right now. jdtcagle's probably talked with them several times and not known, cuz its not, you know, an issue.
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mikhael: very true
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I have also wondered
EDIT: I'm not really against anybody here - so maybe it isn't THAT bad at all.
But if A guy ever hit on me, OOOOoooooo....
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But, I will always remain a christian kazan :D
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jdjtcagle: take it as a compliment.. sure it would be weird - but really it's a compliment. Just be polite and tell him "thanks, but I'm straight" - he'll promptly apologize.
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We'll do one battle at a time :D
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Yeah, but why? I mean, dude, its a compliment.
I remember I was in this shot bar in Ebina once, and this japanese guy came over and started trying to pick me up. I thought it was groovy he thought I was cute. I turned him down politely and got him to hook me up with one of the girls that was there with him. ;)
Bottom line: Gay men are the best way to pick up chicks. ;)
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very true - as my girlfriend/fiancee just say "Because gay guys are there best friends! Nothing less threatening than a gay guy!"
every gay guy I know has atleast 5 hot female friends
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Kazan: Agreed
Ya, I'll take that advice but, I'll probally keep my distance
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Good :D
It's really nice when I see people opening their minds. Gives me hope for the species
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Is it possible for these genes to turn active menatlly.
Maybe straight people have these genes also but they are just not active
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it's about 33% genetic - but it's not really a choice even after that
the other factors known as "envirnomental factors" could be things like hormones you're exposed to in your mothers womb (if the dosage of a certain hormone varies, or the timing varies, etc it can have significant affects)
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And whatever you do, don't eat three packages of birth control pills when you're 2yo, all in one sitting.
I'm not saying I know anyone who did that, but you know, that's a lot of hormones.
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_yeah_
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Originally posted by jdjtcagle
Is it possible for these genes to turn active menatlly.
Maybe straight people have these genes also but they are just not active
I haven't done any research into it but it seems likely that any gay gene is recessive because people who aren't gay can have children who are. That means that any one of us could be carrying the genes and have gay children.
The funny thing about recessive genes is that they can be passed down the generations for years without showing up so it doesn't matter how hetro your entire family is.
I once saw one of those paternity test chat shows on TV. A white woman with blonde hair and green eyes had brought her similarly coloured child onto the show to prove that a black guy with brown eyes and black hair was the father (and this guy was dark black not half-caste black). Everyone laughed at this but she insisted he was the dad. The paternity test was carried out and amazingly enough the guy was the father.
The genes for green eyes and blonde hair had been passed down for generations never expressing themselves until one day he had a child with someone who shared the same recessive genes as him.
So be careful about your feelings towards gay people. You coud easily carry the genes even if you've never had a gay thought in your life.
Originally posted by jdjtcagle
The animated carp commanded Rosen to pray and study the Torah. Rosen tried to kill the fish but injured himself. It was finally butchered by Nivelo and sold.
I did love this. God speaks to you and your response is to club him over the head and sell him as food :D
Originally posted by jdjtcagle
Some say they fear the born-again President **** believes he is preparing the world for the Second Coming of Christ, and war in Iraq is just the opening salvo in the battle of Armageddon.
I've never understood this. Why would a christian want to stop Armageddon? "I'm a christian and I'm fully commited to stopping the second coming of Christ". Huh? :confused:
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Animated carp? That spoke? Something like this one, perhaps?
(http://www.schockwellenreiter.de/images5/BigMouthBilly1.jpg)
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Originally posted by diamondgeezer
Animated carp? That spoke? Something like this one, perhaps?
(http://www.schockwellenreiter.de/images5/BigMouthBilly1.jpg)
When I'm elected president of the universe the first thing I'm going to do is execute anybody that finds those ****ing things funny.
Now THAT'S natural selection.
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That quiz that jdit posted, does anyone else find it rather offensive that you get about 4/5 choices for varying degrees of Christian belief, then all the others (athiest/agnostic/non-carers) are all grouped together into one choice?
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Originally posted by Kazan
jdjtcagle: take it as a compliment.. sure it would be weird - but really it's a compliment. Just be polite and tell him "thanks, but I'm straight" - he'll promptly apologize.
Assuming it's a nice gay guy.
Seriously, it may be easy to say, but one can't be other than offended, if even a little, should that happen.
And if it ain't a nice gay guy, you'll find him staring at you every minute or so, over the next table. Not very comfortable.
Otherwise, it's a good suggestion.
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I'm a secular humanist... :p
• Belief in Deity
Not considered important. Most Humanists are atheists or agnostics.
• Incarnations
Same as above.
• Origin of Universe and Life
The scientific method is most respected as the means for revealing the mysteries of the origins of the universe and life.
• After Death
An afterlife or spiritual existence after death is not recognized.
• Why Evil?
No concept of “evil.” Reasons for wrongdoing are explored through scientific methods, e.g. through study of sociology, psychology, criminology.
• Salvation
No concept of afterlife or spiritual liberation or salvation. Realizing ones personal potential and working for the betterment of humanity through ethical consciousness and social works are considered paramount, but from a naturalistic rather than supernatural standpoint.
• Undeserved Suffering
No spiritual reasons but rather a matter of human vulnerability to misfortune, illness, and victimization.
• Contemporary Issues
The American Humanist Association endorses elective abortion. Other contemporary views include working for equality for homosexuals, gender equality, a secular approach to divorce and remarriage, working to end poverty, promoting peace and nonviolence, and environmental protection.
The funny thing is, the test is quite accurate... On more then one thing:
23. Eastern Orthodox (5%)
24. Islam (5%)
25. Orthodox Judaism (5%)
26. Roman Catholic (5%)
All of them at the bottom of my list :D
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I'll probably have to do it again, i sorta misunderstood some of the questions, so its lumped me with Mormoms, ack! Which isn't at all accurate, considering some of my beliefs.
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Stunaep: you don't know much about gay guys do you? I don't know a single one that would do the behavior you just described
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Originally posted by Kazan
Stunaep: you don't know much about gay guys do you? I don't know a single one that would do the behavior you just described
I am speaking of personal experience. The dude who tried to hit on me and my friend in hungary, did exactly what I just described.
It seems to me, based on your statements in this thread and the previous one, that you seem to think, that for some reason the entire world acts just like the persons you know.
Guess what, it ain't that. Just because you don't know anyone who does that, doesn't mean it didn't happen. I couldn't believe once that people would give each-other blowjobs in a public sauna. Then I went to hungary.
[edit]Sure, i think the majority of gays are all around nice guys, I know several who are, hell the director of my school is gay, and one of the funniest persons I know, I'm just saying, there are exceptions to every rule. And not few of them.
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stunaep: people tend to have fairly consistent behavior pattern.
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Originally posted by karajorma
I've never understood this. Why would a christian want to stop Armageddon? "I'm a christian and I'm fully commited to stopping the second coming of Christ". Huh? :confused:
Where did I post this because I don't remember writting that or ever thinking that:confused:
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Originally posted by jdjtcagle
Where did I post this because I don't remember writting that or ever thinking that:confused:
You didn't post it. It was in the article itself. The article basically said that there were several christians who had taken the talking fish as a worrying sign that the apocalyse was coming. Which made me wonder why any devout christian would be worried about the apocalypse.
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Ok I gotcha, well I certanly know that I look forward to death and I'm not worried about the apocalypse. :)
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Originally posted by jdjtcagle
Ok I gotcha, well I certanly know that I look forward to death and I'm not worried about the apocalypse. :)
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Ghostavo: all good christians would
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Not being worried about death is one thing, but looking forward to it?
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Sure, but I wouldn't do anything to "HELP" it but, I'll be glad when it's all over :nod:
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First time I've ever heard a christian express what should be their outlook on the matter :D
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Originally posted by jdjtcagle
Sure, but I wouldn't do anything to "HELP" it but, I'll be glad when it's all over :nod:
I can help you with that :drevil:
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well, I wouldn't know what other christians think really...
Because, hanging out with them at my school...:blah:
They think that every word has to be Jesus this or Jesus that!!
And plus they are too "skippy" around here... To..preppy... Instead of looking to help someone who does drugs or something, they hate on them.
They just don't get the true meaning of it:doubt:
I hang around athiest and "christians" like me because...
It feels right... or something
Also there's not much diversity in religion around here
Taira: No thanks, I got plans:devil:
;)
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err.. there's something very wrong with that, well thats how it seems to me anyway. No one should look forward to death unless their life is a crappy one. I mean, if you're living a very bad life, then I can see how you would want it to end, but otherwise...
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Originally posted by jdjtcagle
Instead of looking to help someone who does drugs or something, they hate on them.
Which of course is nothing like your hate for gays.
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Your life doesn't have to be bad to look forward to death...
Not that's it any of your buisness...but
1. I'll get to see most of my family again...
2. I'll get to learn what's what...
3. I mean there's so may possiblities
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Originally posted by Petrarch of the VBB
Which of course is nothing like your hate for gays.
It's a little bit different. Was it Liberator who pitied gays and wanted to 'cure' them?
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Your life doesn't have to be bad to look forward to death...
Not that's it any of your buisness...but
1. I'll get to see most of my family again...
2. I'll get to learn what's what...
3. I mean there's so may possiblities
You, sir, have my pity.
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Originally posted by Petrarch of the VBB
Which of course is nothing like your hate for gays.
You have an excelent point there...
But, I realized that last night that It was wrong to hate them, but I have always prayed for them, because I thought that it was mental and they wanted to be gay, which I guess was wrong
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Originally posted by jdjtcagle
Your life doesn't have to be bad to look forward to death...
Not that's it any of your buisness...but
1. I'll get to see most of my family again...
2. I'll get to learn what's what...
3. I mean there's so may possiblities
Y'know, if you'd die from a car crash tomorrow and the next day they can prove there is no god or afterlife I'd probably laugh.
I know, it's a tad bit morbid but your views are creepy. :blah:
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Originally posted by diamondgeezer
It's a little bit different. Was it Liberator who pitied gays and wanted to 'cure' them?
I thought that sort of thing went out with Turing...
*despairs*
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People always fear wich they now nothing about, Tiara
I'm sorry I creep you out
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Was it Liberator who pitied gays and wanted to 'cure' them?
Like Nazi's tried to cure people who weren't like them? :ick:
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Originally posted by jdjtcagle
But, I realized that last night that It was wrong to hate them,
Good. You've finally noticed that one of your beliefs is wrong. Don't stop here, go for the lot.
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Petrarch: patience, give me him some time to finish assimilating what he learned last night
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Originally posted by jdjtcagle
People always fear wich they now nothing about, Tiara
No, I don't fear what I don't know, i'm curious about it.
I didn't know what it was like to be hit by a car untill a few weeks ago. Now I do. And let me tell you, being that close to death is as close as you'll ever get in life untill you actually die. It's not pretty.
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Though I'm not a Christian, and I'm certainly not anti-gay, I do think that homosexuality is not totally physical. Society has *alot* to do with it. I mean, environment. If someone if homosexual at heart, they will be regardless of everyone else. I'm not disputng that. But its seems to me that being gay is "in" right now, and certain people are just going along with the flow so to speak.
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Originally posted by Kazan
Petrarch: patience, give me him some time to finish assimilating what he learned last night
We could be here for years, in that case.
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I'll will keep on, but I have always believe that anything is possible
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Originally posted by Rictor
But its seems to me that being gay is "in" right now, and certain people are just going along with the flow so to speak.
I seriously have the urge to *****slap you. :p
But anyway, just come and live in Holland for a few years. Where we actually accept people for who they are instead of badgering them.
The only reason it seems 'in' according to you is because of people like you putting them in the spotlight. Here in Holland we don't even think twice about them. It's not 'in' it's normal.
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Originally posted by Petrarch of the VBB
We could be here for years, in that case.
more like never
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Rictor: nope, doesn't work that way
Petrarch: No - trust me I've done this before more than once :D
jdjtcagle: while it's almost certainly true that "anything is possible" (to a point) that doesn't always make things probable
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Originally posted by jdjtcagle
more like never
You just said you believed 'anything is possible'. :D:lol::D
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Christianity contradicts itself to death once again.
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But still many things are not probable
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Originally posted by Tiara
You just said you believed 'anything is possible'. :D:lol::D
Yes but I still believe in what I believe in
I have looked at a Athiest point of view and it works
But I have chosen one thing
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Originally posted by jdjtcagle
But still many things are not probable
Well, thyen don't sprout contradictionary nonsense at us. You make yourself look really bad. :blah:
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No, you make me look bad, by not understanding my point of views
Athiest- It's the most real thing that can exists to most people because they don't want to believe in something like god, because it's not probable
I have never been the best at explaining my beliefs...
so forget it I'm done
I hope this thread gets closed and I thank the people whodidn't critized my beliefs.
They are not crap to us, even if they are to you so...
Leave the whole: Your life sucks, and you need diferent beliefs... because yours doesn't work for me: in this thread and go convert someone else
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Sorry, but you ain't gonna change my mind. I am tolerant of people, its their business how they want to live their lives. As I've said, I've got nothing against gays, I try to be blind to race, religion, sexual preference, nationality and all that ****. But people are products of their environments. And the fact is, most people follow whatever trend is popular at the moment. If it wasn't this, it would be that or another thing or another thing. But its insane to disregard environment as a factor in determining a person's personality. Undoubtedly, there are tons of people who simply prefer people of the same sex. Denying that would be idiotic. But at the same time, there are also a number of "feminine" guys who behave as they do due to the society around them. I don't mean necesarilly gay as in "have sex with a man gay", I mean more along the lines of "sensitive-gay". Its not just sterotypes that "I dun saw'r on Tee Vee", I have personally known many people like that. I've also known many guys who were completely straight and yet acted "gay" due to their profession (say, maybe interior designer).
No doubt you're all thinking I'm a hateful bigot right now, but ah well such is life :D:D
I'll take some pcitures of my swastika armband and post them up later
:lol: :lol:
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Originally posted by jdjtcagle
Athiest- It's the most real thing that can exists to most people because they don't want to believe in something like god, because it's not probable
Nope.
By the very principles with which I live, I can't believe in the extremely, highly inprobably. However, that doesn't mean I exclude the possibility.
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Thank you for that...
Finally, I get a real answer
That's excactly what I mean about anything is possible
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Hey, I respect anyone who is bold enough to stick with his/her own beliefs. Just so long they don't bother me with it. ;) And no, you don't bother me. It's actually quite enjoyable to have a discussion with someone who has views almost the exact opposite of mine. It broadens my own view and adds a little bit of experience to my own life ;)
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Why have a discussion with someone with the same views? Is that even possible? :D
Evolution through conflict... :p
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defintely in the case of technology :p
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rictor: you and several other people don't read enough of this thread -- he already reconsidered his ideas about gays and realized that they're humans too.
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Nevermind. I'm not keen on starting an arguement right now, its pointless and there are already enough of them to go around. However, I would advise you to a)read and b)think before you post further.
Cheers.
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And I advise that for you
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Originally posted by Rictor
Sorry, but you ain't gonna change my mind. I am tolerant of people, its their business how they want to live their lives. As I've said, I've got nothing against gays, I try to be blind to race, religion, sexual preference, nationality and all that ****. But people are products of their environments. And the fact is, most people follow whatever trend is popular at the moment. If it wasn't this, it would be that or another thing or another thing. But its insane to disregard environment as a factor in determining a person's personality. Undoubtedly, there are tons of people who simply prefer people of the same sex. Denying that would be idiotic. But at the same time, there are also a number of "feminine" guys who behave as they do due to the society around them. I don't mean necesarilly gay as in "have sex with a man gay", I mean more along the lines of "sensitive-gay". Its not just sterotypes that "I dun saw'r on Tee Vee", I have personally known many people like that. I've also known many guys who were completely straight and yet acted "gay" due to their profession (say, maybe interior designer).
No doubt you're all thinking I'm a hateful bigot right now, but ah well such is life :D:D
I'll take some pcitures of my swastika armband and post them up later
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To be fair, it's also possibly due to the fact that growing accpetance has allowed many more people to come out, whereas before there was more of a social stigma attached to it. Likewise for on TV.