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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: kasperl on April 09, 2004, 11:16:50 am
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i have been having issues with sleeping lately. I have been at home for over 7 weeks now, all due to illness. now, i just can't catch my sleep. it takes to about 1 am for me to fall asleep, even when i go to bed at 22:00. i am tired as hell during the day, but i just can't sleep.
any easy solutions not involving alcohol, tabbaco or narcotics (including weed) ?
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Something like Natracalm might help, or if you against anything medicinal, try a drink like hot chocolate ;)
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Everybody has a moment when they'll most likely fall asleep easily. If you miss that moment, you won't sleep easily. Try going to bed at different times and find the right moment. For me, it's about 0.30, for exemple.
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i'll try that.
also, i can't have any sugar, and cacao has a caffeine like effect on me.
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God hates you.
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i know that, now get me a solution! :D
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Kill yourself.
It'd certainly solve alot of my problems.
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Exercise :)
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So would that.
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anything less...drastic perhaps?
edit: on the excersise, due to me still being ill i can walk for about 500 meter a day before i am practicly knocked out for the rest of the day.
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... unload the winnie, that helps, too :p
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Originally posted by Nico
... unload the winnie, that helps, too :p
o_0
what do you mean?
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Exercise is definitely a good one. ;) I like to listen to classical music (played on guitar, of course) as I fall asleep... lets my mind relax.
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Originally posted by Nico
... unload the winnie, that helps, too :p
If you mean what I think you mean, that's the worst spelling of wiener I have ever seen.
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custom spelling :p
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I should kill you for giving me a mental image of kasperl's wang.
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i think i get it now....
and no, that doesn't help, ok?
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If you're genuinely tired but are unable to sleep... hmmm. Is it mind-tired or body-tired? Sometimes, when they don't match, you'll be tired but still restless.
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Exercise is definitely a good one. I like to listen to classical music (played on guitar, of course) as I fall asleep... lets my mind relax.
:nod:
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mind tired, mainly. and tired of my body hurting. headaches, ear and eye aches, pain in the neck. every joint snapping in and out everytime i move.
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LOL an0n, you're too good :lol: :D
Melatonin helps regulate body's sleep, among other functions. Vitamin B-6 is one of the vitamins needed for your body to produce Melatonin. In fact, it's known that Vitamin B supplements as a whole help sleep. a few minutes before you go to bed, go heat up a glass of milk and drink it. Milk helps you sleep, because it's rich in many vitamins that your body needs. Also, (this worked for me), try taking a Calcium tablet about 20 minutes before you go to bed, go get some Calcium at the local pharmacy. A Calcium tablet (read the label on it to see how much you should take) and a warm glass of milk will without a doubt help you to sleep, i'm sure.
Also try reading for a while before you go to bed, this helps the brain relax from whatever you've been doing the rest of the day. Fresh air, and exercise always work too.
Hope it helps
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Originally posted by an0n
I should kill you for giving me a mental image of kasperl's wang.
BWehehehe. Imagine the sound now :D
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might try the milk thing.....
for others, it tastes a lot better when you throw three or four of those anice stars in it.
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Originally posted by kasperl
mind tired, mainly. and tired of my body hurting. headaches, ear and eye aches, pain in the neck. every joint snapping in and out everytime i move.
I think these are definitely things worth seeing your doctor about. But I mean, this is a serious illness if it's put you out of action for almost two months - you should talk to him about these additional symptoms and see what he suggests.
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yeah, i didn't know about that. i just read he's having trouble sleeping, because, of course, you realize that if you're sick it's often natural that you have trouble sleeping :nod: and is nothing to worry about
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i have been seeing my doctor, trust me. i had lung tests, hart tests, some genetic stuff, and i don't know how many checkups. and now i got some lung drug while the expert guy said my lungs were OK. and the damn stuff reduces my stamina, and gives me cramps in my foot.
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You know something's screwy when the medicine causes more problems than it solves. :blah: That warm milk should really help though, I can stand by that. I pray you'll get some good rest after this, mate. :)
Of course, another great thing to do in the wee hours of the morning is to spend a while on your favourite online forum and talk about spending the wee hours of the morning on your favourite online forum while being unable to sleep... ;)
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then try what i susggested... i guarantee you no doctor will be able to tell you another vitamin (that i didn't mention) that will help you sleep naturally
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You stay awake as long as you can... eventually you will be too tired to be awake. From that moment onward you will never have insomnia. :D
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Support groups?
:lol: :lol:
...and there you will find your power animal.
Seriously though, if its a constant thing, just do hard phyical labour all day. I don't mean like a 10 minute sprint and then your legs ache but thats it. I mean do somethiing physical which you can sustain for many hours. Back in the old days, you used to come home from working the farm all day and fall right to sleep cause you were so tired, but you can't do that any more. Lift weights, dig a hole or do whatever. If you can find a place to do it, swimming for long periods of time or skiing all day will get you nice and tired.
and if we see any suspiciously un-kasperl like posts on here, we'll all know what happened.
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i could off course pick up the saw and attack the wood pile out back.....
but i doubt my back would like that...
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Originally posted by Rictor
and if we see any suspiciously un-kasperl like posts on here, we'll all know what happened.
1) what do you mean
2) what is kasperl-like? am i known for my typo's, retarded behaviour, stupid responses or something else?
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2) what is kasperl-like? am i known for my typo's, retarded behaviour, stupid responses or something else?
Yes? ;)
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Originally posted by kasperl
1) what do you mean
2) what is kasperl-like? am i known for my typo's, retarded behaviour, stupid responses or something else?
You told us you'de say that.
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a bit touchy, aren't we? :)
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Originally posted by kasperl
2) what is kasperl-like? am i known for my typo's, retarded behaviour, stupid responses or something else?
Who is kasperl? ;)
Everytime I think 'kasperl', I think "makes HLP hat look good". :)
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:grin:
i'm a long haired, slow, weak, overly tall, pimple faced youth.
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This (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,22341.0.html) (the last one) is a kasperl like post :lol:
I see that the effects of the insomnia are starting to manifest themselves. :D
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eh? an empty post window?
or do you mean that little wiki remark i made at TC? well, he's been around long enough, and IIRC Kara and i both told him the link a few times,
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Youth is a beautiful time. It's where you form who you'll be for the rest of your life. :) Back when I was your age, three years ago or so (you're 16, right?), I was busy starting this little website called Hard Light Productions... boy, that sure changed my life. :nod:
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Originally posted by Ghostavo
This (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,22341.0.html) (the last one) is a kasperl like post :lol:
I see that the effects of the insomnia are starting to manifest themselves. :D
yeah, i was nearly flaming soom noob with RTFM 5 min ago, stopped meself before i hit post, though. and if i had a webcam, you'd see the effects a lot more clearly.
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Where can we see the remains of that little website? :D
kasperl... the wiki remark :lol:
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Originally posted by Ghostavo
Where can we see the remains of that little website? :D
This is the oldest one I could find. There's a much older version floating around somewhere, though, on Fantomeye's hard drive perhaps... :)
http://web.archive.org/web/20010603042225/www.3dap.com/hlp/
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Originally posted by Setekh
Youth is a beautiful time. It's where you form who you'll be for the rest of your life. :) Back when I was your age, three years ago or so (you're 16, right?), I was busy starting this little website called Hard Light Productions... boy, that sure changed my life. :nod:
yeah, i'm 16. i am also only barely making my education, i have no time and surely no energy for any hobby's aside from being a geek, i have no friends, and i am seeing my chances for passing the year diminish with the minute.
so yeah, i'll probably remember it as fun in a few years or so......
OTH, i can go down a long way from where i am now, i am doing the top level education for my age in this country, and i have passed the last 3 years, if only barely, and one year only due to a "rounding error" by my French teacher, but what the heck.
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Originally posted by Setekh
Youth is a beautiful time. It's where you form who you'll be for the rest of your life. :) Back when I was your age, three years ago or so (you're 16, right?), I was busy starting this little website called Hard Light Productions... boy, that sure changed my life. :nod:
You're talking like an old geezer, grandpa :p
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I think you'll find that there are always parts of your life where despair is there if you want to look for it. But by the same token, we are all given things far better than we deserve in each our situations. Things like friendships with people across the world through our not-so-humble computers. :)
Anyway, this thread is moving way too fast for me. I'm going to bed. Hope you find some rest, dude.
Originally posted by Nico
You're talking like an old geezer, grandpa :p
Who are you calling a grandpa? :p :D
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.::Tin Can::. should see this (http://web.archive.org/web/20010622201041/www.3dap.com/hlp/fsarena.shtml).
:lol:
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OK, this is getting wierd.
:wtf: :wtf:
unless..unless you're being very cunning about it. hmm...
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Originally posted by Setekh
Who are you calling a grandpa? :p :D
Hey! I'm not old! I'm young I tell you, young! Still on the right side of the quarter of century :p
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NyQuil and whisk(e)y puts people to sleep rather quickly.
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Originally posted by PhReAk
NyQuil and whisk(e)y puts people to sleep rather quickly.
And rather permenantly.
Sex, over-the-counter drugs, rock'n'roll are probably the most effective means of getting some sleep.
Though Kasperl can't get sex and he can't play the guitar. So that leaves NightNurse or OD'ing on NyQuil.
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I'd take a look at the thing that's been making you sick for 7 weeks first. It may be related.
I mean, fuckin' 7 weeks. Last time I was ill over a week was 8 years ago. I'm not really surprised you have trouble sleeping.
And if all else fails, you can just strangle yourself until you pass out.
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Insomnia's a bugger - it happens to me a lot - my sleeping pattern is fecked, so I can stay awake to 3/4 am with no bother, but always sleep in to about midday (regardless of when I go to sleep).
IIRC, one thing you shouldn't do is to eat(? not sure), watch Tv or read before going to bed, because that stimulates brain activity.
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Not to mention coding (or anything else that requires one to play 'games' inside his/her head). Better to have only plain simple activities at least for the last hour before going to bed.
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Originally posted by Nico
Hey! I'm not old! I'm young I tell you, young! Still on the right side of the quarter of century :p
It'll creep up on you. :p Anyway, I'm totally happy at the age I am. Don't need to stay young, won't mind bein' old :nervous: :D
By kasperl's silence, it looks like he might have gotten some rest after all. :)
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the eating thing might be correct, I'l try to eat more before going to bed. And Stu, i have, but the doctors couldn't find anything. Bloody annoying, too. Getting up out of my chair causes me to feel my hartbeat in some veins in my knees/throat/temple and my eyes to go all noisy.
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Sounds like a blood circulation problem to me. Better go see another doctor, lest you get a stroke or something.
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my hart has been checked, as well as my lungs. each readout was reviewed by at lest 2 doctors and a nurse. i think i'll live, for now.
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well, somethings gotta be wrong if you're sick for 7 weeks.
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yeah, but they can't find anything. my blood checks out fine, my lungs are ok, and mu hart is still beating. the lungs, well, the capacity is certainly minimalistic, but nothing to be very concerned about.
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*very raised eyebrow* I'm surprised the doctors are so calm about it - your symptoms sound pretty serious to me. :shaking: Do you still have school on around now or are you on holiday?
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dude, of all the time i have been at home, only one week was in a vacation. meaing, i missed 6 weeks of school. fun eh?
and there isn't much the doctors can do. They give me that powder i have to inhale twice a day, but there isn't much more they can do besides just putting me on speed or something.
and i slept a bit better tonight, i just got a new bed/mattress. finally, a back that aches a little less :)
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I suspected as much. I got hit by a lethargy-related illness around your age too, which put me out of action for school as well. Luckily the teachers were reasonable about it. Does the school know about the seriousness of your condition?
Well, I'm glad to hear that the back's easing up a little. :) On that note, I'm off to bed myself. Hope things continuing improving for you, kas.
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yeah, the school knows. i missed 1 exam period and a god awfull number of normal tests, so they get the idea. i am going back to school half time at first, starting when i feel better, probably a week or 2 from now. and i am being let off on quite a few things, some physics practical stuff, and i don't know how many other tests.
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Oh, that sure sucks. Just about the same thing hit a while ago.
I couldnt fall asleep at night, and was so tired during the day that my eyes couldnt even focus anymore. Then, I started falling asleep on about 1 PM, lying the whole day on my bed - however sleep didn't help things. In fact, when I woke up I felt as tired (or even more) than I had felt when I fell asleep. It was suspected that I had CFS (http://www.cfs-news.org/), however it (fortunately) didn't last permanently, so it probably wasnt.
Uhm, in my case it had been caused by depression (and improved slowly when I had summer holidays and started to feel better again) - It still took me more than two months to get entirely well again. Now I still get some problems from time to time, but luckily nothing extreme anymore.
Have you had any problems with depressions lately? If so, it might be connected to that.
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i'll look into the CFS thingy, the genetisist i visited said it might be that.
and depression, no, not antyhing worse then noirmal really.
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Originally posted by aldo_14
IIRC, one thing you shouldn't do is to eat(? not sure), watch Tv or read before going to bed, because that stimulates brain activity.
read, yes. watch TV, no. you don't want to stimulate brain activity, because that's what stops sleep, you want something relaxing, like reading. watching TV and playing computer games are two things that make you have trouble sleeping
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I had sleep problems awhile ago myself. I went days without sleep or very little of it. Caffine keep me going so I wouldn't slack off during school and day in general.
What helps me now? A nice hot bath/shower. My whole sense of time get skewed if I don't take one now.
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Originally posted by Stealth
read, yes. watch TV, no. you don't want to stimulate brain activity, because that's what stops sleep, you want something relaxing, like reading. watching TV and playing computer games are two things that make you have trouble sleeping
you're right... I'm sure I saw something about not reading somewhere, but i've seen the converse as well, so sod it.
Anyways - from this (http://www.lmu.ac.uk/stuserv/health/insomnia.htm) page;
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Self-help tips.
* Try to establish a regular routine and go to bed and rise at the same time each day. Oversleeping can cause headaches so get up once you are awake.
* Avoid drinks containing caffeine (tea, coffee, cola & chocolate) after 6pm. Alcohol should also be avoided as this may help you fall asleep but awaken early.
* Exercise regularly in the early evening. This will help you relax and feel tired.
* Sleeping is difficult if you are hungry, but avoid eating a large meal close to bedtime. A warm milky drink or a snack containing lettuce (a natural sedative) may help.
* Cammomile tea and other herbal drinks can help you to relax.
* Essential oil of lavender can aid relaxation. Try a couple of drops on your pillow or 6 drops in a warm bath before bedtime.
* Once in bed make sure you are comfortable and warm with a firm (not hard) mattress.
* Learn relaxation and breathing techniques and practise regularly (see below). Relaxation tapes are available from the Health Centre for only 50p. Relaxation classes can be arranged for small groups - contact ext.3185 for details.
* Finally, if you can't sleep try not to worry about it. You could try reading or listening to relaxing music for half and hour and then try to sleep again."
EDIT- er, this is from some uni thing - hence the second last bit :)
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Don't use the computer in the two hours before you go to bed, I've heard it can convince your body that it's still daytime. :)
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yeah, well, using the computer is about the only bit of recreational activity for me, my brain is too damn slow to read a book and actually understand what I'm reading, and TV, well, it's crap
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1) Weed, a lots of it.
2) Booze, a lots of it. After repeating 1 and 3, the only logical follow-up is
3)music, something like Orb, Röyksopp, Underworld or Aphex Twin (lol), and lot of it.
Jump to 1), repeat. You have the ultimate machine to render your precious body into oblivion and pass out at some point.
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well, i said no alcohol. tabbaco or narcotics.
and why the **** am i still half a sleep after 2 double to triple sized cups of strong, black coffee? i ought to be jumping up and down from the caffeine, not having trouble keeping my eyes open.
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I think leaving your house for a while, going to a walk or something, could have all the effects you want. It wakes you up and in the end you fall asleep quite easily. I do it often and it works. Not just now, I have a hangover.
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New method... it works, as I personally tested it.
Watch a weather channel!!
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double post, delete!
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Most of my advice comes from a more holistic approach than modern medicine.
Are you familiar with Seratonin and melatonin? Seratonin is responsible for mood and how 'awake' you feel. During the day, a healthy person's seratonin is at a fairly high level. As the day wears on, melatonin levels rise. It is melatonin that allows us to sleep.
It would seem these two chemicals are out of balance for you at the moment. So you need to get your lifestyle back 'into' balance and your hormones should hopefully follow suit.
Spending all your recreation time at the computer is probably not good for you. Perhaps going for a walk, doing exercise, doing OTHER THINGS will help. Exercise is very handy - I used to have some trouble getting to sleep(would lie in bed for a good hour or two before sleeping), but when I started doing exercise 2-3x/week, within a few weeks i was sleeping like a log.
Diet is important too. Healthy meals are good.:nod: Try to limit your carbs in the evening - these are our main source of energy. So chocolate, sweets, bread, pasta, rice, potatoes... for a good few hours before bed try not to eat any of these. A glass of milk is handy too.
Oh - herbal teas! There is valerian, but you are supposed to cycle it 3 weeks on/1 week off. I don't have personal experience with it but I hear good things. Rooibos/Red b-ush tea is great! Its full of antioxidants, 50 times the potency of green tea, and 10 times the cancer fighting properties. Its very healthy, and is naturally caffeine-free. I find it helps to allow for restful sleep if brewing a cup for bed.
I hear some great things of Banisteros Caapi tea, too. Although in higher doses when combined with other plants it forms a 'drug' - I hate that term - that combination of plants is seen more as a sacred healer. On its own, it is perfectly healthy. In small doses, it greatly balances out seratonin and melatonin by using up seratonin receptors or somesuch (Im not familiar with the science) - everyone i know who has used this for sleeping disorders says it has lulled them into greatly restful sleep, and they awake feeling refreshed.
Oh yeah, having a warm bath or shower before bed helps too. The warmth will relax your muscles.
Some breathing exercises before bed would help both your lungs and help relax your body and mind for sleep. Breathing slow, deep breaths, maintaining your focus on the sensation of breath in and out of your nostrils is a great medicine for all sorts of stress.
And DONT think about trying to get to sleep while you are in bed. This is a horrible thought pattern than will ensure you feel irritated and unable to sleep. If you find yourself worrying, go back to the breath. or read a book/listen to relaxing music. Take your mind off the incessent thoughts of "OH FFS I AM NOT ASLEEP YET."
Best of luck man. :o good dreams!
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C'mon, he wants to sleep, not to be institutionalised.
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lol. point taken.
Its just that sleep can be affected by so many factors. The things I posted should all have generally healthy effects to ones sleep - it is ofc entirely up to him how much or how little he decides to use. I'm not trying to PUSH a lifestyle on him, sorry if it came across like that.
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Herbal teas, well, most of em taste like crap. and quite a few of them really, really annoy my stomache. Excersise, well, i do as much as i can without completly disabling myself. breathing excersises, well, that could help. And getting a life off-line, yeah, I know, but without friends the options are rather limited, especially since I can't stand loud music and/or large amounts of people.
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you sound more and more like me.
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kasperl, I ought to hook you up with some decent Chinese herbal tea. Tastes like honey going down your throat, and definitely soothes the chest and stomach. Drinking lemon and honey in warm water is also pretty good. :)
How old are you, LS?
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I sometimes have trouble getting to sleep. I usually read a book, it makes your eyes tired and droopy. Try that.
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ah.
my eyes are terrible, and willl always be terrible. It's worse then normall really, reading is rather painfull.
Steak: What kind of tea?
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Originally posted by kasperl
Steak: What kind of tea?
Yeah, do share :)
kasperl if you get a chance to, try some Roobios/Rooibos/Red **** tea. It tastes pretty nice and goes down easy. Helps you sleep, too.
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Rooibos, well, it isn't perfect, but it might help. There is something called Almond Sunset or something, that's somewhat drinkable.
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Originally posted by kasperl
Steak: What kind of tea?
Let's see, the Chinese name wouldn't be very helpful to you. ;) The mixture of stuff I put in is basicaly: dried Chrysanthemum flowers, dried licorice root, and dried longan (a tropical fruit... google it). Boil that in some water for a while, add honey to taste... boy, it's good for what ails ya. ;)
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well, i'm going to have to leave out the honey, but the licorice root is readily available here. no need to boil it either, just chew on it.
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OT: did guys know Insomnia is big proplem for Flyboy's (pilots)
thats why some uses illegal Drugs
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Originally posted by kasperl
well, i'm going to have to leave out the honey, but the licorice root is readily available here. no need to boil it either, just chew on it.
Oh, but that's just the point. It only has certain effects on calming your mind when it's in liquid form. :)
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ah.
i'll try some stuff then........