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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: jdjtcagle on April 12, 2004, 05:27:18 pm
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Did any body watch it, before Band of Brothers on the History channel??
What did you think about it??
Either it's the biggest coincedence alive or God.:nervous:
Very interesting and it's coming on again this thursday:)
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For those of us who missed it and won't see it on Thursday, would you care to explain a little?
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They dicovered encoded messages all through the old testament.
Ex. September 11 date?? can't remember right now, Planes will crash into twin towers, and stuff like kenedy assasinations and pretty much all historical events were found in it.
Also, I thought that something enteresting was that on message contained the words "Earth Annilated" "2012" "Comet" and "2012" Comet destroyed". But they made it clear that it was hard to predict stuff like future events
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It never fails to amaze me how easily people can see things where they want to see them. You guys should read Good Omens...
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*slaps head*
Oh jeez....
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Well, I mean come on... The chances that all of these messages to appear like this is 1/10000000, which is actually a fact.
But, nonetheless I see where your coming from. :)
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2012 is also when the Aztecs predicted the end of the world would come. This is...a bit worrying. They were usually right-on about these things.
err...
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:nod: and there was also worry that a comet would hit us soon, or so I heard
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Originally posted by jdjtcagle
They dicovered encoded messages all through the old testament.
Ex. September 11 date?? can't remember right now, Planes will crash into twin towers, and stuff like kenedy assasinations and pretty much all historical events were found in it.
Also, I thought that something enteresting was that on message contained the words "Earth Annilated" "2012" "Comet" and "2012" Comet destroyed". But they made it clear that it was hard to predict stuff like future events
if you could actually find how they got that and like wehre the verses and stuff it would be some interesting reading.
and yes there is stuff about the twin towers falling. :nervous:
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It was some mathematical formula they used (trying to find it) But, here (http://www.simonsays.com/content/content.cfm?sid=33&pid=408901&agid=2) is a exerpt for it
Maybe, this will help also
link (http://www.torahcodes.co.il/wrr1/wrr1.htm)
and this (http://www.torahcodes.co.il/research.htm)
and more (http://www.csicop.org/si/9711/bible-code.html)
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Well I'm off to pillage me a town and ravage some women.
Might as well do it before I die in a meteor impact.
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interesting... now of only we could get a sample of this code and have the smart ones over here check it to :P
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like I said, there is no definate answer, since we have free will and the code shows to alternative endings, WE die and WE live.
And who knows if they are reading it right, I mean one part of it said that AlGore was going to be president and then found the words "Think, Maybe" below it
And you can buy versions of it yourself :nod:
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hehe my bad i see it tells you in the second link you put
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*waits patiently for Kazan's opinion* :D
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Some people have way too much free time. :(
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Hmmm...
Actually, I think a lot of ancient peoples decided that the end of the world would probably come sometime between 2000-2012.
Which probably means they all plagerized each other.
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I read the book a few years ago (I assume the part on TV was based on the book). I think it's plain bullcrap... i mean, it's not like the words are right next to each other... they're not... there's one word horizontally, and another a different direction, i mean, they way they do it, they could find any two words they wanted.
i dunno, it's hard to explain, but after reading the book and seeing the method they use, you'll think the way i do about it
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Originally posted by jdjtcagle
*waits patiently for Kazan's opinion* :D
You'll get mine first ;)
They did a similar analysis using the same mathmatical model and found a prediction for Princess Diana's death. It had the names of all the passengers in the car and everything.
Only problem was they didn't use the bible. They used a copy of Moby Dick. So either Melville was able to see into the future too or it's just a statistical oddity.
Here (http://cs.anu.edu.au/~bdm/dilugim/moby.html) is a page showing several other predictions that Moby Dick also made.
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Seen it and also there were some in Leonardo davingi or something. Signs are everywhere.
But, even tho the chances of that are rare, the chances to find almost anything in the bible, is unbelievable!! :D
They have found a location for the ARK with this thing in the Bible:eek: Somewhere in Africa, BTW
1. God
2. Time travelers
3. Aliens.
4. Coincidence that IS too rare to be considered
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Originally posted by jdjtcagle
Seen it and also there were some in Leonardo davingi or something. Signs are everywhere.
But, even tho the chances of that are rare, the chances to find almost anything in the bible, is unbelievable!! :D
They have found location for the ARK with this thing in the Bible:eek:
hmm for some odd reason i feel the urge to mention that when reading the word ark I am reminded of ardvark :lol: :wtf: :nervous:
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it is not a statistical imposability, the way they do it it's statisticly garenteed, they find the same crap in moby dick, and war and peace, when you'r looking for words that are related and you make a net big enough, you'll find them, look at some static noise, now look for a face, you'll find one, same principal.
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A couple of words or sentences apart??
And they found only maybe two of them in other books like Moby Dick, But to have human history on almost any subject in the bible is quite amazing and unexplainable...
They have the worlds smartest people who can't argue with it
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Originally posted by jdjtcagle
4. Coincidence that IS too rare to be considered
How is it too rare if someone can just pick a book at random and get the same kind of thing?
The fact is that using this method you can find hidden messages in any book.
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I agree its possible to find it in anybook, but they found only maybe two of them in other books like Moby Dick, But to have human history on almost any subject in the bible is something totally different.
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Originally posted by jdjtcagle
A couple of words or sentences apart??
And they found only maybe two of them in other books like Moby Dick, But to have human history on almost any subject in the bible is quite amazing
Look at the page I linked to. jd. They've got ten or so predictions there. And I'll bet they could have found more.
Furthermore the author of the book predicted gloabal economic collapse starting 2 years ago based on a bible code. I don't see it.
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It's garbage. This is a phenomenon where people see things that aren't there whether it's in images or just taking stuff like this and trying to make a cipher for predictions.
In any case, Christians generally take the Bible as literal and don't go through this crap.
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Look at the page I linked to. jd. They've got ten or so predictions there.
Ok, sorry about that...:)
Furthermore the author of the book predicted gloabal economic collapse starting 2 years ago based on a bible code. I don't see it.
They say that it's actually not able to predict with accuracy, because they don't know excactly to look for.
Or something along those lines:doubt:
I'm actually enjoying this without getting mad:D
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Originally posted by ChronoReverse
In any case, Christians generally take the Bible as literal and don't go through this crap.
You cannot talk of the Christians as a whole, it's wrong.
It's not crap to ALL christians
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give me a way to verify it independently
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What is it you want? :confused:
I'm sorry, but I didn't get that
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give me some way I can feed a book into this thing and look up words.
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Ok, the first few on that Moby Dick page made sense, but then they started to go all over the page. I mean, anyone can do that.
Also, its highly unlikely that the ancient peoples plagarised each other. Remember, the Aztects were living on a seperate continent for thousands of years. Unless, all this 2012 stuff dates back to before the human race got scattered, in which case its even freakier. the Aborigines in Australia and certain tribes in Africa, they're got oral stories from like 20,000 years ago. They generally know what they're talking about when it comes to ancient prohecies and such.
By comparison, the Bible is relatively new. Also, I read something the said the x word from the begging of the Bible is Shake and the x word from the back is Spear, where x is a number I can't really remember right now. Freaky.
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Bob: You buy the program and it has the Torah, Ok
You type the word in English like "Twin Towers" and it does its little search deal and a cpuple of words apart they have, IIRC.
Twin Towers going up and down, ground going across towards the bottom, it has planes to the right of the towers as it were going to run into it...
And it had descriptions and stuff like that...
One man put his name\birthdate and stuff, and found all of his current living relatives!!... now if anybody can do that, I don't know :)
I think this is what you meant, BTW
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yes it's interesting, but you don't actualy beleve this ****?
otherwise I've got some commet insurence for you.
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ok, for the third time, let _me_ look at it, let me use books other than the bible to do comparasons, and they didn't put in english, all that stuff was in hebrew.
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*sigh* i usually would have waited for someone else to do this, but i'm bored, so:
Yes, there is a 1 in 10,000 chance of those messages being in there, but there is also a 1 in 10,000 chance of any other messages being in there, true or not. there is a 1 in 10,000 chance that i'll step on a certain spec of lint as i walk up stairs later, but there is nearly a 1 in 1 chance that i will step on somepiece of lint. there is a one in 10,000 chance that if a drop 10,000 marbles on the ground, they will fall in cetain places, but i shouldn't be suprised every time they hit the ground, because that combination will always have a 1 in 10,000 chance of happening.
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Originally posted by Bobboau
ok, for the third time, let _me_ look at it, let me use books other than the bible to do comparasons, and they didn't put in english, all that stuff was in hebrew.
if you look on the first page he has a post with four links the 2nd has the calculations procedures etc.
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The Bible has two advantages when it comes to this kind of flim-flam:
1. It's The Bible. That in itself is enough to merit a turn of the head from John Q. Public, whether he happens to be a True Believer or not, and for the Saved, it's especially relevant, since any "hidden messages" in the holy texts can't possibly be simple coincidence.
2. The Bible, like Moby Dick, is an enormous book in terms of the sheer volume of material. Nowadays you can pick up a pocket-sized New Testament from Gideons international, but it's not too difficult to find one of those ginormous, leather-bound coffee table bibles that weighs twenty pounds. When you have that much material to pore through, it's that much more ground you have for your Easter egg hunt, and the greater probability you'll find something "significant". The same could be said for any sizable book, like Don Quixote--recently very popular here at HLP--Crime and Punishment, or anything by Dickens.
If you look around, you can find loads of other fun Bible-based garbage rumors, like how Shakespeare was one of the authors of the King James version, and so on.
Edit: Similarly, Nostradamus's predictions--none of which are valid--are vague to the point that his supporters like to retroactively apply them to notable events in history, like the rise of Hitler or even the 9/11 attacks. For the record, Nostradamus also predicted that the world would end sometime in (May?) of 2000 which, I'm sorry to say, did not come to pass. It's a case of when you're convinced you'll find something, then you will, in a self-fulfilling prophecy.. all it takes is enough time to look over the material.
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Did you know you can find messages hidden in Pi? and Euler's number (e)? And the square root of 2? In fact, ANY transcendental number. For that matter you can find messages in the Encyclopedia Britannica, the Kama Sutra, or even the 1973-2004 run of TV Guide.
You can, by definition, find any message you want in any sufficiently long sequence of data just by carefully choosing an algorithm. You get bonus points for building an alogrithm that changes based on the data you're examining, so it looks like the 'reader' is being led.
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Antares, I don't think you understand what is going on with this.
It's not a rumor, and Flim-Flam, or anything that might not of happened. It's there you just decide what excactly you believe
Bob: What about the Comet?? And yes I afraid that I do believe that this has something to do with God, but I've learned my lesson about going into what I believe :)
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Originally posted by mikhael
Did you know you can find messages hidden in Pi? and Euler's number (e)? And the square root of 2? In fact, ANY transcendental number. For that matter you can find messages in the Encyclopedia Britannica, the Kama Sutra, or even the 1973-2004 run of TV Guide.
You can, by definition, find any message you want in any sufficiently long sequence of data just by carefully choosing an algorithm. You get bonus points for building an alogrithm that changes based on the data you're examining, so it looks like the 'reader' is being led.
Of course you can find messages in anything, and I mean anything, but I have already explained this in an earlier post
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If God divinely inspired the Bible to be his message to all, why would he bother to encrypt the information? Especially when all the predictions about Jesus in the Old Testament were all in PLAIN TEXT.
Whether you're a Christian or not, it's not logical.
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Wrong actually, This could only be found with computers, His reason could be anything. But its defiantly not illogical, maybe we would only find it now for a reason.
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Eh? That doesn't even follow.
How does "this could only be found with computers" have anything to do with the fact the all predictions in the bible before this was written in plain text (or spoken in plain speech to a large crowd)?
Try a little internal consistency. In any case, what does predicting events have to do with anything in Christianity if it doesn't tie in with the rest of the message?
All of the _plain text_ prophecies in revelations tie in with the Second Coming. Some are a bit cryptic because of imagery (how is a first century guy going to describe tanks?) but it's still in plain text. The message was written for everyone so why would part of it be encrypted in a scheme that restricts access to it?
Moreover, this same technique can be applied to any large text with the same results or even to get any results that you want to fit it with.
Face it, the "Bible Code" is bogus. Even as a Christian you have to be wary of those who sought to mislead.
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Here's a bunch of them here (http://ad2004.com/Biblecodes/Hebrewmatrix/Hebmatrix.html)[
WMD from Iraq Matrix by Roy A. Reinhold (as seen on the new History Channel special premiering on April 11, 2004) NEW 4/11/2004
End of Days Matrix by Roy A. Reinhold (as seen on the History Channel special) NEW 4/10/2004
Nibiru and the End of Days by Bob Schneider NEW 4/08/2004
Saddam Hussein Captured matrix by Dr. Asali Zaki
Hidden Message in Psalm 22 matrix by Richard C. Prendergast
Jerusalem Terror Bombing of August 19, 2003 matrix by Dr. Asali Zaki
Electrical Blackout in the USA matrix by Dr. Asali Zaki
NEW Advanced SARS and the Health of the Lungs by Moshe Aharon Shak
SARS matrix by Asali Zaki
SARS and the Health of the Lungs by Moshe Aharon Shak
Iraq Crisis matrix part 1 by Asali Zaki
Columbia Shuttle Disaster in the Codes part 2 by Moshe Aharon Shak
Final Flight of Space Shuttle Columbia part 2, by Asali Zaki
Final Flight of Space Shuttle Columbia part 1, by Asali Zaki
Columbia Shuttle Disaster in the Codes part 1 by Moshe Aharon Shak
Methodology For Accurate Matrixes paper
New Revised & Expanded Matrix on the Coming Israeli Elections
Matrix on the Coming Israeli Elections
Malvo Identified as the Shooter in Washington DC Murders
Washington D.C. Area in Fear matrix on the snipers
A look at Rock Music.
Dr. Asali takes a look at Breast Carcinoma (cancer) in the codes.
Anthrax article and compact Bible code matrix.
The Big Bang & Creation? A kabbalistic view of the universe.
Attack on the World Trade Center on September 11, 2001. A day of infamy and a tragedy for the thousands of civilians killed in the attacks. A new level in significance with many sentences.
Melchizedek and Yeshua (Jesus) Part 2, with very long terms. This is statistically the most significant matrix on this website and of any publicly shown to date
Melchizedek and Yeshua (Jesus): Are They The Same Person? matrix
Revised and Expanded Hillsborough Football Disaster matrix
Pinpoint Matrix--The 70 AD Siege of Jerusalem--A New Way to Code?
Shroud of Turin, a 2-part article examines the issue in the Bible code
Kidney Colic (Kidney Stones) in the Bible code
Football Disaster at Hillsborough in England--A Matrix Showing What Happened
Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy--A Matrix on Mad Cow Disease
Revelation Topic Matrix on the Antichrist & False Prophet (54 letter main term)
2000 Presidential Election matrix Done BEFORE the Election
5-Part Bible Code Search For the Exact Birth Date of Yeshua (Jesus) in Articles
The Resignation of Ehud Barak as PM in Israel
Who is the Wonderful Counselor, the Prince of Peace?
Intifadha -- Middle East in Crisis matrix,
Cloning and its possible benefits, very significant matrix,
Russian Submarine Kursk, with a number of good matrix views
Camp David Middle East Summit
Unity of God
Leukemia matrix
Human Genome Mapping Project matrix
Pope's visit to Israel & Jordan matrix
Alzheimer's disease matrix
Life matrix on Sid Roth, the radio and TV host
Armenicum--a cure for aids?
The Dark Side--Lucifer the fallen one
Justice, Judgment, in 5760? maybe
Cloning Dolly the Sheep matrix
Diabetes matrix
Penicillen matrix
The Beatles matrix with pictures
Jesus the Messiah (Yeshua haMashiach)
The Commandments at Mt. Sinai
The Sphinx
Pyramid's Matrix, Part 1
Taiwan Earthquake
Hurricane Floyd
Lady Diana accident, 43 terms!
September 4, 1999 Israel & PLO Peace Accord
Eclipse of the Sun on August 11, 1999
The Atlanta Killer, Mark Barton
Matrix on the Airplane Crash of JFK Jr
Holocaust 5760? by Victor Pereira
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Look to the BIG BANG!!!:eek:
link (http://ad2004.com/Biblecodes/Hebrewmatrix/bigbang.html)
It suggests from what I can see that the big bang created GOD?!?:eek2:
EDIT: It's Go'd, something different:D
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It doesn't matter. Predictions such as these have been "calculated" out of other large works of literature before.
However, the ultimate proof that this is either (a) bogus (b) false messages [as in opposing God] is this:
Well, to be honest, I haven't read The Bible Code, and one reason why is because it suggests that, according to these computer-discovered secret codes, the Second Coming might be in the year 2006 — and my Bible makes it perfectly clear that " NO ONE knows the day or the hour." We Christians have been painfully slow to learn that lesson already, and I don't want to be a participant in any way, shape, or form in repeating that grave error.
In fact the actual reference states that Not even the Son knows the time but only the Father.
The proof is in the pudding.
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ok watch this (http://www.arcee.ca/shared/bull****/Penn%20Teller%20-%20BULL****%20-%2004%20-%20End%20of%20World.wmv)
if it doesn't stream well use save target as
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I never said that I believed the Apocolypse prediction, Oh no!!
Not at all, I simply believe that there is stuff in here that might be worth the time of looking at...
This reply is going to be critized without doubt:doubt:
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Saw the bible code awhile ago. Unless we all die in 2012, then it's horsepuckey. Any guesses on the Anti-christ?
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me :)
still watch it
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World Trade Center (http://ad2004.com/Biblecodes/Hebrewmatrix/WTCattack.html)
I don't think this is something that can be found in Moby Dick:nod:
And Chrono, It's not bogus at ALL!!
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You know, one of the key things about the prophecies about Jesus in the Old Testament was that NONE OF THEM TURNED OUT TO BE WRONG.
I've heard people say that if they ever find even one that's wrong they'd immediately renounce Christianity even.
And you're willing to accept that such a "Bible Code" can have not only erroneous, but blatantly contradictory predictions and still be true?
Great, but did it predict this? (http://cs.anu.edu.au/~bdm/dilugim/diana.html)
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Chrono, not one of those people and nothing is contradicting anything. The people who studied these have come out with "This is the best way to put it" kind of deals with the whole apcalypse thing. I mear guess.
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from the WTC link provided
A Short Summary: I may add later, my own summary of what is shown in matrix below, but I think that anyone reading the English translations of the terms can draw their own conclusion. One point is necessary to explain. There is another terrorist event predicted in the matrix below for the 10th of Tevet (24/25 December in 2001?). The year term that goes through it is the abbreviated form of year 5762. That abbreviated form can either mean calendar year 2002, or it can mean the jewish year from Rosh Hashanah to the next Rosh Hashanah in the fall of the year. Therefore, the predicted event could either mean December 25 of 2001, or December 15 of 2002. I believe it means December 25 of 2001, because there is also another term I left off the matrix which is an abbreviated year 5761 and is close to the term shown. That points to me that it is more likely December 25 of 2001. However, since one cannot be absolutely sure, it is better to say that it is on December 25 in 2001 or December 15 in 2002. I will work on it to see whether I can dig out more possible details on this possible future event. (don't e-mail to ask about it, if I get something good, I will put up a new revised version of the matrix). Please read all the terms below and draw your own conclusions.
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this has never predicted anything
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it's a freaking crossword puzzle were you decide wich words to use.
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Sounds about right. Either way, it's not going to be any good to predict the future anyway... same with the Nostradamus predictions and what not. You can read in the book and see that a comet will hit Earth in 2006, if we prevent that, then that would make the bible fallable, thus negating the whole religon, no?
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hmm...
Thanks for pointing that out, that defiantly changes alot of my views :):yes:
But, I have only had possiblility veiws on this entire thing
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Originally posted by Knight Templar
Sounds about right. Either way, it's not going to be any good to predict the future anyway... same with the Nostradamus predictions and what not. You can read in the book and see that a comet will hit Earth in 2006, if we prevent that, then that would make the bible fallable, thus negating the whole religon, no?
No, we still have free will, and that could be a reason why we have only been allowed to reach it until now:)
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Exactly, that's why it's bogus.
@jdjtcagle
So what determines whether a "bible code prediction" is a good one or not besides waiting til the appointed time has passed?
ALL of the predictions made in the plain text came true. The standard here is all or nothing.
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I have NO answers!! :)
This has explained to me that the Bible codees are not yet understood or likewise, in my opinion
EDIT: and plus saying that Rock music is evil makes me kind of mad, sso that's another chalk for pros and cons of the whole deal
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But why would it be unclear? The bible in plain text has already made it clear what the point of existence is, what God is doing, the nature of God's character, what will happen before he comes back, that there will be those who try to mislead you, that the church better be careful or they'll fail in his sight, that nothing should be added to the bible, that nothing should be removed from the bible and that there are things that God will not reveal to anyone.
In the light of that, where does the bible code fit in?
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Strange coincidence isn't it??
There will be time for answers
;)
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No it's simply called people seeing things that aren't there and misleading other people.
They aren't messages from God.
IF these messages, derived in the same way, are from God, none would be fallible.
There has been predictions that have been wrong.
Therefore these messages cannot be from God.
qed
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This may open some doors of possiblility, please read before you criticize.
Take from a site
How Should Christians Respond to the Bible Codes?
How should thinking Christians respond to these seemingly incredible findings of future events foretold in the Bible, but hidden in codes only a computer can find? Undoubtably, it is too early to say very much, as even the specific methods and mathematical checks have yet to be agreed upon. But certain things appear to be clear.
We know very little about how sequences of letters behave when not written by an author, but rather put together by a program within a computer. Witztum, Rips, and Rosenberg make certain assumptions about what would and would not be a significantly close connection between two sets of words to rule out random placement. But these are, in the end, arbitrary. What McKay and Dror Bar-Natan have done in their own paper, "Equidistant Letter Sequences in Tolstoy's War and Peace," is demonstrate to their satisfaction that whatever phenomena occurs in the Hebrew text of Genesis can also be found in the Hebrew text of War and Peace.(15)
The scholarly arguing about method and mathematics is still going on, but what seems to be emerging is the fact that almost any "message" can be found if a sufficiently long text is used. If this is true, then we have learned something new about how humans who can program computers can find non-random messages in random texts, but we have not shown that a divine intelligence wrote the Bible.
An important question to ask ourselves is, "Why are we so fascinated by codes and mysterious messages in a book as clear as the Bible?" Do we not trust that God has given us all we need to know, both for ourselves and to evangelize the world, in the text that all of us can read? Perhaps for His own pleasure, God has indeed hidden certain things in the text of the Bible, but surely they are not the main message. God has given us the Bible so that we might know Him and make Him known. ELS codes in the Bible do not seem to do much more than pique curiosity.
Our responsibility is to read the text for what it says, not for what may be hidden under the surface. We know from the Book of Revelation that some great cataclysm is coming, and as it draws nearer, we are warned not to be misled. Jesus vividly portrayed how obvious His return would be: "Just as the lightning comes from the east and flashes even to the west, so shall the coming of the Son of Man be."(16) So as you watch the news and the millennium approaches, keep your "baloney detectors" alert!
Will Bible codes become an important tool in the apologetic toolkit of evangelical Christians? We should be very cautious when we do not use God's Word as He wrote it. Merely studying the Bible codes will not necessarily result in Christian faith. For example, Michael Drosnin, after years of research for his book, The Bible Code, was still an athiest: "I had proof there was a code, but not proof there was a God. . . . I don't believe in God. . . . The message of the Bible code is that we can save ourselves."(17) If that is all that Drosnin came to believe after working with these codes for five years, we are probably better off having people read the Bible and encountering the real God through His own words. One needs no codes to read and understand John 3:16.
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Why don't you take the advice from that quote then?
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You could probably find similar things by "reading" other books... like someone already mentioned Moby Dick.
Open any cross-word puzzle and see how many words you can find in there (besides the ones that are intended of course)...
It is pure coincidence, nothing more, nothing less.
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Originally posted by ChronoReverse
Why don't you take the advice from that quote then?
Do you not here me BOY!!!
man, I simply enjoy the possiblilty of what they are.
I'm saying this now THER WILL BE TIME FOR ANSWERS. But look at this definatly fun to read and possibly put there for some reason (If he knew we would find it) or not. I'm sticking to the Bible, but nontheless....Interesting
Sorry for grammer Issues
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it's not coincidence it's a combination of counterintuitive statistics and phycology
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same thing :p
whatever :doubt:
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What does that mean to someone who has failed english over and over again?? :D
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Originally posted by jdjtcagle
Do you not here me BOY!!!
man, I simply enjoy the possiblilty of what they are.
I'm saying this now THER WILL BE TIME FOR ANSWERS. But look at this definatly fun to read and possibly put there for some reason (If he knew we would find it) or not. I'm sticking to the Bible, but nontheless....Interesting
Sorry for grammer Issues
Uh huh. Why don't apply the sack that God gave each of us a bit instead and discover that this simply can't be true?
It's also stated in the bible that God wants people to be shrewd yet gentle. You're not filling either roles.
[edit] It means that this is bogus since you can get the same results from anything [/edit]
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Originally posted by jdjtcagle
No, we still have free will, and that could be a reason why we have only been allowed to reach it until now:)
Yes, you have free will, but if the bible is God's word. And God knows past, present, and future. So if the Bible Code truthfully says that will cheat on your wife and **** your sister in 2034, then that means you will, obviously of your own choice or circumstance. If not, and you don't, then that would prove that God's word is not 100% valid, the whole system could not be 100% valid and either disprove the whole religon or uh.. blow up the universe (i.e. Dogma). Provided the code is legit and all.
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I'm not decided. I'll believe it if we get hit by a comet in 2012.
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Ummm...
NEVER EVER tell me who I am, Your ignorance is starting to annoy me. STOP here!!
Nobody's perfect so get of my back and stop pointing out people's mistakes
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So you'll take one prediction and if it comes true you'll believe it all even though a lot of the other predictions have turned out to be wrong?
I'm not so much pointing out your mistakes but showing you that if you truly believe the bible, then you cannot accept the bible code as truth.
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Originally posted by Knight Templar
Yes, you have free will, but if the bible is God's word. And God knows past, present, and future. So if the Bible Code truthfully says that will cheat on your wife and **** your sister in 2034, then that means you will, obviously of your own choice or circumstance. If not, and you don't, then that would prove that God's word is not 100% valid, the whole system could not be 100% valid and either disprove the whole religon or uh.. blow up the universe (i.e. Dogma). Provided the code is legit and all.
:lol: i can't if I'm dead in 2012 :p
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Originally posted by jdjtcagle
NEVER EVER tell me who I am, Your ignorance is starting to annoy me. STOP here!!
Nobody's perfect so get of my back and stop pointing out people's mistakes
funny thing... you bring a theory up... you almost insulted people here and tried to support it in every way possible... that theory has been proven wrong over a million times by people here, and then when they finally start to reach to you with thoughts that you cannot ignore you say this... is there a spock smile I'm unaware of so I can use it here? :D
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Originally posted by jdjtcagle
:lol: i can't if I'm dead in 2012 :p
See? After you and sis are the only ones alive after the big comet bang of 12', you wouldn't have much choice, now would you? Provided you're not some kind of necrophyliac..
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yeah, you're being both harsh and gulable
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Originally posted by ChronoReverse
So you'll take one prediction and if it comes true you'll believe it all even though a lot of the other predictions have turned out to be wrong?
I'm not so much pointing out your mistakes but showing you that if you truly believe the bible, then you cannot accept the bible code as truth.
What the FILTH is your problem!!
If you beleived the bible you wouldn't care what other people's view on subjects.
The Bible Code is not a part of my views until I DIE.
If it turns out that the BIBLE CODE is fake then, SO WHAT.
But, Being that if you don't know the mind of GOD and what he means by some of the things he has said
LEAVE IT...
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Originally posted by Bobboau
yeah, you're being both harsh and gulable
Ok...
What did I do, please explain and I'll try to tell my reasoning
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Of course the words "Do not worship other gods" comes to mind... if you believe in this "bible code" you are infact worshiping another god than the "normal" christians are... almost identical but not the same...
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well things like "NEVER EVER tell me who I am, Your ignorance is starting to annoy me. STOP here!!"
is harsh, and beleiveing in something like this becase you watched a one hour documentery about it on basic cabel is gulable
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Ok, I see and agree
go on
Well...
It's not that I'm gullable, it's just that I have always wondered possiblities, which you have convinced me that the code is not worth taking in concideration.
And, what a surprise I lost my temper again, I'm a scitzo sometimes.
Sorry for that
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Umm...
This is the right time to say Curiousity KILLED the CAT
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Originally posted by jdjtcagle
What the FILTH is your problem!!
If you beleived the bible you wouldn't care what other people's view on subjects.
The Bible Code is not a part of my views until I DIE.
If it turns out that the BIBLE CODE is fake then, SO WHAT.
But, Being that if you don't know the mind of GOD and what he means by some of the things he has said
LEAVE IT...
It is also written that those who are wise should instruct those that are ignorant.
It is quite apparent to me that you don't understand or even know enough about the scripture.
Therefore I am using the bible itself to show how the bible code cannot be true.
Your view on the subject does matter to me BECAUSE I take the bible to be literal.
I may not know and understand everything that is written, but there are parts that are clear and have been explained to me by those who have greater knowledge and wisdom than me. Then using my own faculties to deliberate the ideas, I've accepted them.
You should do the same and be a credit to yourself rather than be a detriment.
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:(
What can I say...
Besides.....sorry
This five week break from this place is going to do wonders for me
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Please... please do not make double posts... the edit function is there for a reason.
Now... god tells everyone to stay away from this thread... :nervous:
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Whatever...
Am...I good at losing people's respect or what?
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That'll get you far in life. You could be a politician.
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What?
How?
I surely dont enjoy it
EDIT: Pffft...
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Don't knock it until you try it. Happiness is relative anyway.
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Has anyone mentioned that you can find the same sort of patterns in Moby Dick?
This has led some people to propose that Herman Melville was also God :rolleyes:
This stuff has about as much validity as Nostradamus of the eternally vague verses.
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Originally posted by jdjtcagle
Umm...
This is the right time to say Curiousity KILLED the CAT
I'm sorry i just have an overwhelming urge to finish it. curiousity killed the cat satisfaction brought him back. :)
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OK, why does every thread have to end like this? Can't we all just give it a rest, and stop provoking someone if they have shown a rather keen interest in not entering in to a personal arguement but rather wish only to discuss the topic at hand. If someone says enough, take a wild guess what the means. Possibly that they've, maybe I don't know, had enough? You know who you are. No, not you jdjtcagle.
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Alrighty, as for the question of being gullible, its a personal thing. For example, I'm very gullible to far out science theories and conspiracy theories, but I'm very skeptical when it comes to say, politics. I guess that when the theory has no affect on my immediate life or concept of morality/justice, I'm more prone to believe it, cause whats the worst that can happen. Various "far out" , though scientifically credible theories such as this intruige me. The kind of stuff you might find on TLC (The Learning Channel, like Discovery only more interesting) on a Sunday afternoon. Also, I have respect for mysterious old cultures which have been around for A LOT longer than what we called civilization. The Aborignes (sp?) and various African and South-American tribes.
They arrive at these incredible conclusions through completely different means than we are used to (scientific deduction, high tech etc) and I for one am willing to believe that the 90% of the human mind which is going un-used is fully capable of pulling it off with no modern tech whatsoever.
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argh you just had to say that, now I've remembered this
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:eek2: That would bother me, too.
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Why is that at all relevant? Or do you just, you know, enjoy posting little quicktime movies of such things. Don't worry, I'm not judging you :wtf: :wtf:
We'll get you the help you need.
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I wasn't going to post it, but then he had to go and remind me about it, I saw it like an hour ago, just got it out of my head, and he had to go and open his big mouth, don't worry, I'm sure the first admin to see it will remove it.
off to sleep now :doubt:
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Originally posted by Kalfireth
It never fails to amaze me how easily people can see things where they want to see them. You guys should read Good Omens...
Had to quote this.
This is how close minded people think. Its also as easy to dismiss every coincidence as coincidence by this logic. Whats the problem with saying "we arent sure and it would be good to look into it, in case it has significant bearing on the future".
Rather we get the age old "you guys are whacko, and anyone who agrees is as well".
I mean no offense to anyone, but completely dismissing things without base or fact to back it up is like saying water doesnt exist. Its completely baseless and dismissive.
I know personally if i can find out its true or not im better for it.
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but completely dismissing things without base or fact to back it up is like saying water doesnt exist.
Except in this case we presented facts... in every really long book (like the bible) this can happen due to the sheer amount of words combining with each other. :p
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Originally posted by Ghostavo
Except in this case we presented facts... in every really long book (like the bible) this can happen due to the sheer amount of words combining with each other. :p
Never mind what happens to these supposed codes when things like textual variants are thrown in. I can just see it: "Now, if maunscript 4Q10 contains the correct text, then Brittany Spears is the Antichrist, but if 8Q3 is right, then the Antichrist is a Bulgarian fishmonger named Frank."
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Most of Nostradamus' prophecies were written in code, the usual way of 'solving' them was to rearrange the letters of the whole prophecy until it spelt something else, with a few left over. Not once, during the entire history of this, did anyone stop to think why these incredibly accurate 'hidden' prophecies, worked, and why they were only even decyphered AFTER the event ;)
Arthur C Clarke changed one of the prophecies to predict the release of 2001, there were 5 letters left over, B-O-L-I-X, which Mr Clarke described as the most accurate outcome of this technique ;)
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Originally posted by Bobboau
ok watch this (http://www.arcee.ca/shared/bull****/Penn%20Teller%20-%20BULL****%20-%2004%20-%20End%20of%20World.wmv)
if it doesn't stream well use save target as
Penn & Teller OWN!!
And it's just great how they make fun of every single person in that video.
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yes :D