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Title: AIDS-infected Suicide Bombings Thwarted
Post by: Sandwich on April 13, 2004, 03:48:29 am
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1081748016646&p=1078397702269
Title: AIDS-infected Suicide Bombings Thwarted
Post by: Nico on April 13, 2004, 03:56:43 am
"shakes head"
The humanity...
Title: AIDS-infected Suicide Bombings Thwarted
Post by: Black Wolf on April 13, 2004, 03:58:59 am
*Avoids involving self in discussion of Israel/Palestine to avoid pissing off man with large gun*

Err...would the AIDS bomb have worked? Wouldn't the heat generated by the explosion have eliminated the virus?
Title: AIDS-infected Suicide Bombings Thwarted
Post by: Singh on April 13, 2004, 04:38:47 am
you do know that the human race is doomed anyway? If its not now, its will be some other time.

Edit: forgot to mention, such a tactic might now work, since teh sheer heat of the blast might just destroy the virus. but please correct me if im wrong.
Title: AIDS-infected Suicide Bombings Thwarted
Post by: Setekh on April 13, 2004, 07:43:43 am
Thank goodness they were stopped... but yeah, how would it have actually worked? I thought AIDS was so structurally fragile that it wouldn't have survived in open air for long, let alone in a blast.
Title: AIDS-infected Suicide Bombings Thwarted
Post by: Turnsky on April 13, 2004, 08:32:56 am
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Originally posted by Setekh
Thank goodness they were stopped... but yeah, how would it have actually worked? I thought AIDS was so structurally fragile that it wouldn't have survived in open air for long, let alone in a blast.


that, and it's sexually/blood to blood transmitted.


http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/dhap.htm
Title: AIDS-infected Suicide Bombings Thwarted
Post by: phreak on April 13, 2004, 11:11:15 am
except your average person wouldn't know better and panic will ensue
Title: AIDS-infected Suicide Bombings Thwarted
Post by: Janos on April 13, 2004, 11:15:02 am
Well that was classic.
Title: AIDS-infected Suicide Bombings Thwarted
Post by: Tiara on April 13, 2004, 11:19:01 am
Okay, that was just plain dumb :blah:
Title: AIDS-infected Suicide Bombings Thwarted
Post by: mikhael on April 13, 2004, 12:02:01 pm
Next time, they should use a nuke. Better range, more martyrs, more victims and none of this 'getting stopped' business.

And for the mentally impaired among you, that's intended to be sarcastic.
Title: AIDS-infected Suicide Bombings Thwarted
Post by: Janos on April 13, 2004, 12:17:46 pm
They only need Atom Bomb Machine Guns.

HOW DO YOU DEFENDEN AGAINST AN ABMG? HUH
Title: AIDS-infected Suicide Bombings Thwarted
Post by: ionia23 on April 13, 2004, 12:20:10 pm
Und zen, vee are goingk to covah zee bombah with zee Krispy Kremes und keeel zee Eez-rail-eez with zee cholesterol!

Allah!!!!!
Title: AIDS-infected Suicide Bombings Thwarted
Post by: Kazan on April 13, 2004, 12:24:29 pm
wtf Ionia23.....  german accent....
Title: AIDS-infected Suicide Bombings Thwarted
Post by: an0n on April 13, 2004, 01:19:01 pm
The general principle behind it is so stupid it doesn't bare thinking about.

Firstly, the heat wouldn't destroy all the virus. All the **** they spoon-feed you about AIDS is complete crap. They'll tell you all this crap about it not surviving the cooling process used for donated blood and how it won't survive in open air and it's all crap. Granted, some of the blood itself would be burned to a cinder, but enough would survive with active virii in it to be dangerous.

But then there's the small fact that the blood would have to land on open cuts to infect people. And even then, the body's immune system would attack and kill the majority of the foreign blood and the virus along with it. If 500 people were bathed in blood, mayb 50 would become infected.

Put simply, it's vastly more complicated than a nail-bomb and about 1/10 as effective.

They'd be better off sending 50 people out with the flu to ride buses all day and create en epidemic. It's certainly kill a few hundred old people and it'd cripple the economy for weeks.
Title: AIDS-infected Suicide Bombings Thwarted
Post by: Janos on April 13, 2004, 01:34:57 pm
Which leads me to wonder: why do the ZOMG TERRISTS always go for the rarest/most difficult to produce virus/biological contaminator?

I would go for flu, diarrhea, streptococci sp. or something like that, a simple, stupid and easy-to-find virus everyone hates. Much easier to jihad when your opponents have to **** every now and then in the middle of the firefight. [And actually some Crusader leader, might even have been Richard?, DID fight while suffering from explosive diarrhea.]

Edit: Apparently, this has been done with hepatitis bomb? http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/2147204.stm
Not a bad idea.
Title: AIDS-infected Suicide Bombings Thwarted
Post by: Tiara on April 13, 2004, 01:40:44 pm
If people would only watch the opening scene of Swordfish :p

Actually... they shouldn't...
Title: AIDS-infected Suicide Bombings Thwarted
Post by: ionia23 on April 13, 2004, 01:56:55 pm
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Originally posted by Tiara
If people would only watch the opening scene of Swordfish :p

Actually... they shouldn't...


Gads, they are promoting that to death on TNT right now.
Title: AIDS-infected Suicide Bombings Thwarted
Post by: karajorma on April 13, 2004, 02:05:37 pm
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Originally posted by an0n
Firstly, the heat wouldn't destroy all the virus. All the **** they spoon-feed you about AIDS is complete crap. They'll tell you all this crap about it not surviving the cooling process used for donated blood and how it won't survive in open air and it's all crap.


I wouldn't be too cocky about the robustness of the AIDS virus if I were you.

One word : Mosquito
Title: AIDS-infected Suicide Bombings Thwarted
Post by: Tiara on April 13, 2004, 02:31:42 pm
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Originally posted by karajorma

One word : Mosquito

Two words: Fly swatter

:p
Title: AIDS-infected Suicide Bombings Thwarted
Post by: Sandwich on April 13, 2004, 03:00:17 pm
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Originally posted by Janos
HOW DO YOU DEFENDEN AGAINST AN ABMG? HUH



DEFEND against it!? Hell, I can't even pronounce it! :lol:

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Originally posted by Tiara

Two words: Fly swatter

:p



This from Mrs. Axe? *shakes head sadly* :sigh:
Title: AIDS-infected Suicide Bombings Thwarted
Post by: Tiara on April 13, 2004, 03:59:55 pm
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Originally posted by Sandwich

This from Mrs. Axe? *shakes head sadly* :sigh:

Chopping flies with an axe isn't too much fun or easy. Last time I tried that I ended up with one chopped mosquito and one chopped in half desk. :blah: Instead I 'modified' my swatter by putting tiny daimonds on it. That should... puncture those damned mosquitos :D
Title: AIDS-infected Suicide Bombings Thwarted
Post by: Flipside on April 13, 2004, 04:04:16 pm
The virus can survive for a short time outside of a host, but like most viral infections, it needs cells to infect, and quickly, the Aids cells themselves have a moderately short coherent life with which to find and infect another cell. In a human host, this is plenty of time, however, in this situation, I don't think there would be much threat unless you get a situation such as the Hep-B case in Israel, which came from a piece of bone from the suicide bomber getting imbedded in a bystanders skin, carrying Hep-B. This COULD cause infection if the bomber had been suffering from Aids or any other number of illnesses :(

Personally, I'd be far more concerned with the number of airborne agents a bomber could carry, which would be thrown far and wide by the explosion.
Title: AIDS-infected Suicide Bombings Thwarted
Post by: Tiara on April 13, 2004, 04:07:43 pm
Ofcourse they could've laced some nails with packages of AIDS and have it blow up so the nails can penetrate + infect ppl. However, terrorists tend (sadly with some exceptions) not to be very smart people.
Title: AIDS-infected Suicide Bombings Thwarted
Post by: Sandwich on April 13, 2004, 04:09:24 pm
They weren't gonna just spray Acme "AIDS" bottles ont he bomb, you know - they had infected blood, so that'd take care of needing a cell, wouldn't it?
Title: AIDS-infected Suicide Bombings Thwarted
Post by: Flipside on April 13, 2004, 04:13:25 pm
Not unless he's bringing along an oxygenator, a filter, a pump etc, he would have to carry so much equipment to keep the blood viable he wouldn't have room for the bomb. The only way Aids could effectively be used as a weapon is if the person themselves had been deliberately infected with the disease.
Title: AIDS-infected Suicide Bombings Thwarted
Post by: Tiara on April 13, 2004, 04:14:59 pm
Ofcourse they could just set sick, infectues and filthy rats loose in a city :p

Ok, I'm gonna shut up now before terrorist copy my idea and I get the CIA, NSA and FBI on my back.

What?