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Post by: Bobboau on April 21, 2004, 09:10:39 pm
god damn it all, I missed it AGAIN!!!
:hopping:
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Post by: Carl on April 21, 2004, 09:14:39 pm
i missed the first half.
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Post by: übermetroid on April 21, 2004, 09:14:40 pm
What is the new one on tonight?
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Post by: Bobboau on April 21, 2004, 09:18:18 pm
was,
fortunatly there's suprnova
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Post by: jdjtcagle on April 21, 2004, 09:19:42 pm
Jolene Blalock tis Hot
Otherwise, can be too farfetched at times
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Post by: Ace on April 21, 2004, 09:46:25 pm
First half? So it's two hours long?

Edit- Checked TV section and it's only an hour long.

From the brief blurb it sounds like it's a good episode.
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Post by: Bobboau on April 21, 2004, 09:51:28 pm
show of hands who thinks T'pol is pregnant (those who have not seen it, like me)
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Post by: Liberator on April 21, 2004, 10:25:07 pm
Umm, spoilers(from what I saw, I stumbled in about 20:00 in, plus my audio was $#@#ed so I missed some of the dialog)
Spoiler:

Archer is in negotiations(sp?) with an alien ship for a warp coil.
BTW, Enterprise is blown all the way to hell.
:adverts:
We come back and T'Pol is in the shower ;7
Then Trip come in behind her and they start making out/pawing each other/ect.  She throws him against the wall and is being very Klingon about the whole thing.  Suddenly she is transformed into a nastified version of herself and starts attacking Trip, just as she gets her hands around his throat...she wakes up, it was a dream.  T'Pol is gasping and acting like she's in distress.   Then she staggers out into the corridor and gets into a space suit and goes to the cargo bay, E Deck is open to space apparently.  In the cargo bay, she discovers the ladder is broken so she tries to get down via some handy crates.  She falls and disconnects one of her air hoses, she flairs around and gets it connected just before she loses consciousness.  T'Pol then digs through the debris and finds a sample case with what turns out to be some of that nasty mineral that helps take the edge off the anomalies.  She takes it to a science lab, liquidates it and injects it into her vein.  She's addicted to it, as it helps moderate the powerful emotions that Vulcan's keep buried by intense meditation and conscious effort, allowing her to interact with the crew more easily.  She eventually takes the problem to Phlox and all is well.  Meanwhile, they discover a set of coordinates and a stardate in an encoded message from Degra.  The coordinates are 4 LY away so they'll need to sustain Warp 3 to get there by the stardate, which forces a difficult decision on Archer, Enterprise's own warp engines are fried and need a new warp coil to be made to work again.  So Archer, who is becoming quite the anti-hero, decides to take from the aliens at the beginning of the show.  There is some drama and rationalization about ethics and then they do it.  The last scene show's Enterprise going to warp and then to black.


That's a fairly total summary.  Hope it helps.  Remember, UPN repeats Enterprise at 7:00pm CT on Sunday nights.
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Post by: IceFire on April 21, 2004, 10:58:29 pm
Not a bad episode...pretty shocking.  That the crew is ok with this recent turn of events is strange but complicated so I can accept that.

Man its going to take some getting used to having the Enterprise all beat up like that.  Hopefully they don't get the lights back for a couple more weeks...that'd make some history.
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Post by: Ace on April 21, 2004, 11:57:06 pm
From what the promos show, it looks like the ship is going to be beaten up for the rest of the season. Probably repaired next season if the show is renewed.

I was really hopeful that her addiction was self-medicatation for that disease she got from the mind-melding dohickey so that they could tie up that plot thread.

Similarly, I'm hoping evil shadowy figure dude shows up so they can handle that loose end.

At least the evil builder lady showed up :p
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Post by: Carl on April 21, 2004, 11:57:06 pm
so, umm..who thinks Rajin is coming back? we never saw what happened to her, and the way they ended that episode, it would seem her story is not yet complete.
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Post by: Liberator on April 22, 2004, 12:46:51 am
Rajin?  Musta missed that one.
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Post by: Carl on April 22, 2004, 12:49:06 am
http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/series/ENT/episode/2287.html
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Post by: übermetroid on April 22, 2004, 12:49:39 am
The ship should get fixed soon.  Look at the E2 info...
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Post by: Liberator on April 22, 2004, 12:53:13 am
Looks like it's gonna be suspenseful till the end of the season.  At least according to startrek.com.
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Post by: an0n on April 22, 2004, 05:22:14 am
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Originally posted by Carl
so, umm..who thinks Rajin is coming back? we never saw what happened to her, and the way they ended that episode, it would seem her story is not yet complete.
Y'know what would be incredibly, stupidly, amazingly funny?

If they used her to try and bio-weapon Earth but she fudged the data on purpose and the bio-weapon accidentally lead to the smooth fore-headedness of the Klingons.
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Post by: J3Vr6 on April 22, 2004, 08:09:11 am
NOOOOO!!!!!!!!1111 THE ONLY SHOW I WATCH ON TV AND I COULDN'T SEE IT!!!

Damn Miami Heat making it into the NBA playoffs, playedthe Hornets...  Now they moved yesterday's show to Saturday since the game was on.  Now I have to wait to see it!!  Noooo, 5 weeks of reruns and I miss it.  And then, who knows if a) I go out with my girlf, or b) my girl wants to see it.
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Post by: Bobboau on April 22, 2004, 09:04:07 am
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Originally posted by an0n
Y'know what would be incredibly, stupidly, amazingly funny?

If they used her to try and bio-weapon Earth but she fudged the data on purpose and the bio-weapon accidentally lead to the smooth fore-headedness of the Klingons.


that would be perfict
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Post by: J3Vr6 on April 22, 2004, 09:28:09 am
What was the reason for the smooth foreheads in the original and the funky ones in the next generation and enterprise?
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Post by: Bobboau on April 22, 2004, 09:34:24 am
TOS = $100 per eppisode budget
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Post by: ZylonBane on April 22, 2004, 09:47:18 am
There are people who still actually care about Enterprise?

Wow.
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Post by: an0n on April 22, 2004, 10:05:16 am
It regained our loyalty when T'Pol got nekkid and ****ed Tucker.

Oh and when Enterprise got the living **** beat out of it and was left a burning, crippled shell.
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Post by: ZylonBane on April 22, 2004, 10:12:07 am
So Archer hasn't leaped yet, eh? Poor guy...
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Post by: an0n on April 22, 2004, 10:13:42 am
He's been back and forth in time a bit trying to put right what his own bumbling caused to go wrong, which, if one wanted to by cynical, could be seen as trying to hijack the basic plot of Quantum Leap.
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Post by: Liberator on April 22, 2004, 12:49:12 pm
:roflmfao:
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Post by: IceFire on April 22, 2004, 12:56:52 pm
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Originally posted by an0n
He's been back and forth in time a bit trying to put right what his own bumbling caused to go wrong, which, if one wanted to by cynical, could be seen as trying to hijack the basic plot of Quantum Leap.

Bah...he has much less choice in the time travel in Enterprise than in Quantum Leap.  At least in QL he knows that he's going to be off to a new time next episode.  In Enterprise he rarely ever knows what the hell is going on when it comes to time travel and he's four times as mad about it :D

Infact he's a bundle of rage this season.  He's going to be needing some professional help next season.
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Post by: Martinus on April 22, 2004, 01:03:45 pm
[color=66ff00]Worth watching overall?
I saw 2 or 3 episodes including the pilot and didn't really see anything as impressive as the work done in DS9 which I still consider to be the best of the lot.

Always liked Scott Bakula though, seems to have been the perfect choice for captain. :nod:
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Post by: Carl on April 22, 2004, 01:21:45 pm
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Originally posted by Bobboau
TOS = $100 per eppisode budget


actually i believe it was a little less than $100,000 an episode. that's still not very much, even for the 60's. the enterprise pilot costed over $10 million.
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Post by: an0n on April 22, 2004, 01:27:09 pm
Season 1 was just gay. Season 2 was kinda lame. Season 3 is full of murder, sex and genocide.


Basically, it follows the same pattern as the Star Wars films. They used the first season to show how nice and happy everything was and how new to everything Starfleet is. They used Season 2 to try to build a credible threat. Then by Season 3 they managed to give the characters a big enough motivation that they'd be willing to kill anyone in their path to achieve their goals.
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Post by: J3Vr6 on April 22, 2004, 02:03:41 pm
Do u think all the rage going on in Enterprise is the reason they put in shrinks in the future?
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Post by: Flipside on April 22, 2004, 02:07:56 pm
Well, even standard astronauts have to go through special 'cabin fever' training for extended periods in space, so I wouldn't be surprised :)
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Post by: ChronoReverse on April 22, 2004, 06:30:11 pm
So much angst in this episode.  I wonder why they never use stun grenades in the future, it sure seemed useful here.

Oh well, having a ship in pieces for once is nice.
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Post by: Bobboau on April 22, 2004, 07:40:03 pm
I didn't get the whole ubber drama about the people, sure what he did wasn't nice but he can always give it back to them when he's saved the human race.

I think that's the first time I've seen a starfleet vessle go on a raid, no longer it seems are they the ubber nice guys of the univerrse.
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Post by: Liberator on April 22, 2004, 07:43:10 pm
It's supposed to make you ask yourself what you would sacrifice to achieve your objective.
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Post by: Bobboau on April 22, 2004, 08:02:14 pm
well if it was something like the only way to get it would have been to blow up the ship and kill everyone on board, then it would make sence, but it isn't realy that big of a sacrafice, after he has saved earth he can go back to the ship and either give them there coil back or give them a ride back home.
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Post by: Grey Wolf on April 22, 2004, 08:13:15 pm
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Originally posted by Bobboau
I didn't get the whole ubber drama about the people, sure what he did wasn't nice but he can always give it back to them when he's saved the human race.

I think that's the first time I've seen a starfleet vessle go on a raid, no longer it seems are they the ubber nice guys of the univerrse.
Of course, they aren't Starfleet. The fist Starfleet vessel of the name is Kirk's.
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Post by: Liberator on April 22, 2004, 08:45:24 pm
Umm, no, you see the whole premise of the show is that this is the first Starship ever built by the Starfleet organization.  There is no Prime Directive, no backup, no God awful enormous fleet to run to.  There's just them and a couple of ship I would classify as Runabouts.

To be honest, I have yet to see Mr. Ried toss off one of his beloved "Photonic Torpedos".
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Post by: Grey Wolf on April 22, 2004, 09:03:46 pm
You sure? I was pretty sure they were predecessors of Starfleet. Or was it the Federation they were the predecessors of? Still should be the Dauntless if they were paying attention to their own writers, though.
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Post by: Bobboau on April 22, 2004, 09:06:59 pm
Federation, Archer has heard of this only from daniles
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Post by: ChronoReverse on April 22, 2004, 09:17:44 pm
Not realyl Starfleet.  Starfleet was the Federation's military.  Considering that the Federation doesn't exist and that this is earth's Only warp capable ship, I'd say it's safe to say they aren't in Starfleet.
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Post by: Grey Wolf on April 22, 2004, 09:18:27 pm
Ah, thank you. Still seems odd that Starfleet should be around before the Federation. You'd think it'd be some strange spinoff of some existing organization if it preceded the Federation, the International Air and Space Administration or something to that effect.
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Post by: Bobboau on April 22, 2004, 09:23:03 pm
they've used the name
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Post by: Liberator on April 22, 2004, 10:58:20 pm
Earth calls it Starfleet, Earth is the heart of the Federation, therefore they would simply expand Starfleet's role and start taking applicants from other worlds.

I'm still waiting for a show with an Andorian cast member.  They r0x0r!
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Post by: Admiral LSD on April 23, 2004, 02:13:01 am
To my knowledge, both the Federation and Starfleet are formed together in 2161 after the Romulan war. However, the inconsistency can be written off quite cheaply easily as Zefram Cochrane accidentally seeing the name Starfleet on one of the padds the Enterprise E crew were using to rebuild the Phoenix in First Contact.
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Post by: Carl on April 23, 2004, 03:30:52 am
well, we aren't supposed to encounter the klingons until 2218, but they don't seem to care much about that.
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Post by: Setekh on April 23, 2004, 03:34:21 am
I don't even have anything remotely relevant to say on this thread.

Oh wait, yes I do! The SG Atlantis site is now officially open. :p

www.scifi.com/atlantis
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Post by: an0n on April 23, 2004, 05:13:54 am
Okay, time for my superior knowledge of Star Trek to clear things up.

The Federation doesn't encounter the Klingons till later. Vulcan has been ****ing around in space for centuries, so they undoubtedly came across a ****load of races the Federation later made first contact with. This isn't a case of explaining away an inconsistency, as the original series(') should've taken this into account.

The Enterprise is the first Warp 5 capable ship. There are hundreds of warp-capable ships coming too and fro from Earth, but the Enterprise is the fastest until the NX-02 comes out of the docks.

Starfleet preceeded the Federation. Starfleet (United Earth Star Fleet) is merged, in 2151, with the United Earth Space Probe to Agency to form the United Earth Stellar Navy.

The Federation is formed 10 years later in 2161, and the United Federation of Planets Starfleet becomes its main military force.

So basically, Starfleet got sucked into the UESN for the 5 years preceding the Romulan War, stayed there throughout the war and was reinstated as an independant naval organization with the founding of the Federation.
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Post by: Liberator on April 23, 2004, 01:09:15 pm
(http://instagiber.net/smiliesdotcom/cwm/cwm/eek2.gif)
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Post by: Grey Wolf on April 23, 2004, 02:17:06 pm
an0n, any explanation for the Dauntless/Enterprise naming controversy?
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Post by: Carl on April 23, 2004, 02:36:39 pm
i don't think it was called "starfleet" offically until the 23rd century. Kirk called it the United Earth Space Probe agency early on in the series.
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Post by: Liberator on April 23, 2004, 03:03:55 pm
Dauntless was undoubtedly the first Constitution class vessel.
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Post by: Grey Wolf on April 23, 2004, 03:07:30 pm
Sorry, that would be the USS Constitution, following standard naval naming conventions. It was specifically mentioned in the Voyager episode as the NX-01 Dauntless.
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Post by: Flipside on April 23, 2004, 03:07:50 pm
I would have thought it was the Constitution?
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Post by: Grey Wolf on April 23, 2004, 03:15:24 pm
I'm saying the ship in the show "Enterprise" should be named Dauntless, according to previous shows.
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Post by: Goober5000 on April 23, 2004, 03:24:36 pm
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I'm still waiting for a show with an Andorian cast member.  They r0x0r!
http://www.starshipexeter.com
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Post by: Goober5000 on April 23, 2004, 03:28:28 pm
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I'm saying the ship in the show "Enterprise" should be named Dauntless, according to previous shows.
If you all are referring to the Voyager episode "Hope and Fear", that was the alien guy's ship in disguise, not actually Starfleet's ship, so the argument isn't valid.

As for why the writers chose NX-01 for the ship, it was either to emphasize the uniqueness of the ship's technology or because they were dumb.  Probably a combination of both, but following TNG/DS9/VOY rules, the Dauntless's registry should have been NX-74*** (the Defiant was NX-74205).  You can explain that away by saying the alien guy may not have bothered to look it up.
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Post by: Grey Wolf on April 23, 2004, 03:34:13 pm
Wouldn't you think that the characters would have realized that the original NX-01 wasn't the Dauntless? Or did they get a bit too much radiation in their galaxy traversing adventures?
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Post by: Goober5000 on April 23, 2004, 03:37:53 pm
There'd be no reason to confuse the two, as the NX-01 Dauntless is the size of Voyager and has quantum slipstream drive, while the NX-01 Enterprise is smaller than the NCC-1701 Enterprise and has a max speed of warp 5. ;) They probably assumed Starfleet decided to re-use the number because the ship was so special.
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Post by: Liberator on April 23, 2004, 03:38:58 pm
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http://www.starshipexeter.com


I mean legit "Star Trek" not fan stuff, those are cool though.
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Post by: Grey Wolf on April 23, 2004, 03:47:33 pm
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There'd be no reason to confuse the two, as the NX-01 Dauntless is the size of Voyager and has quantum slipstream drive, while the NX-01 Enterprise is smaller than the NCC-1701 Enterprise and has a max speed of warp 5. ;) They probably assumed Starfleet decided to re-use the number because the ship was so special.
They said in-episode that it was named after the original NX-01.
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Post by: J3Vr6 on April 23, 2004, 04:14:46 pm
Maybe NX-01 Dauntless was the name of what Enterprise was called during construction.  Or it's the next ship to come out but when Enterprise gets destroyed, they recommission the Dauntless to be called Enterprise.

I have no idea...
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Post by: elorran on April 23, 2004, 04:17:53 pm
Or perhaps the ship just gets renamed in honour of something.  It happens every now and again to naval vessels and other ships.
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Post by: Tiara on April 23, 2004, 04:18:05 pm
Simple reason: more people would watch a show called 'Enterprise' instead of 'Dauntless'. At least, they hoped. Enterprise is well known thanks to TOS and TNG so they hoped to capitalize on that.

:)

*continues downloading 3x19 - Damage*

I got all eps on my HD now :D
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Post by: IceFire on April 23, 2004, 06:19:17 pm
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Originally posted by Grey Wolf 2009
They said in-episode that it was named after the original NX-01.

I don't remember that part at all...

Its also quite possible that a number of prototypes coming out of starfleet are initially labled NX-01 before being reassigned a more proper and full length number later.  Voyagers crew could have assumed that Dauntless was so new it was litterally hot off the presses and not assigned a formal registry number.

It could be a little known tradition...there's plenty of those.

Its hardly a continuity hole...
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Post by: an0n on April 23, 2004, 06:21:05 pm
I fail to see where the confusion lies. Really, what exactly are you people arguing about?


And in general terms, NX means experimental. By the time the Defiant came about, there were numerous new ship classes being pushed into production to combat the Borg and eventually the Dominion (such as the Nova class and the Prometheus). But back when Enterprise got kicked into space, Starfleet had invested all of its eggs into that one basket. A basket which heralded a new era in space-travel. So it'd've made sense to call in the NX-01.

It was also the first ship Starfleet produced after it decided to get a little more firm with the Vulcans.
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Post by: WMCoolmon on April 23, 2004, 07:57:43 pm
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Originally posted by Tiara
Simple reason: more people would watch a show called 'Enterprise' instead of 'Dauntless'. At least, they hoped. Enterprise is well known thanks to TOS and TNG so they hoped to capitalize on that.


Yes, it'd be a bit...odd...to have a show called Enterprise with a main ship called "Dauntless".
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Post by: Liberator on April 23, 2004, 10:33:05 pm
:roflmfao::D
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Post by: Admiral LSD on April 24, 2004, 02:37:58 am
"NX" is supposed to mean experimental (a practice that dates back at least as far as the original series/movies. In Star Trek 4 I think, the Excelsior has the registry number NX-2000 implying that its the test bed for the new Starfleet transwarp drive. When that failed, the transwarp gear was dismantled and it was fitted with conventional warp drive and recommissioned as NCC-2000 when Sulu took command of it in Star Trek 6) but in Enterprise it's the class definition. Enterprise has been described on a number of occasions as being an "NX class" starship.