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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: J3Vr6 on May 05, 2004, 01:23:48 pm
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http://www.cinescape.com/0/editorial.asp?aff_id=0&this_cat=Movies&action=page&type_id=&cat_id=270338&obj_id=41457
This has nothing do with the above, but:
You know, I really don't like Moore. I could skew facts to make them look whatever way I want also. The sad thing is that there are a lot of ignorant people out there who watch or read his stuff and think it's 100% accurate and the only side to the story. Maybe I should go into making a documentary...
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The Market is saturated with his kind of "America is bad and why you should hate it" molarkey. His shrill rhetoric is tiring at best.
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Well, Moore is possibly just a bit over the top, and tends to look on occasion at overtly biased information, but some of the stuff he finds out is quite interesting.
His Website is as slow as molasses btw :)
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moore may be somewhat biased, but he still has good points.
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Everyone's biased.
But Moore doesn't lie.
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Yeah, he doesn't lie but he'll warp the facts enough that it doesn't matter if he's lying or not.
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Originally posted by J3Vr6
Yeah, he doesn't lie but he'll warp the facts enough that it doesn't matter if he's lying or not.
yeah, you'd think he's a politician or something, right?
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Maybe he wanted to be one when he was little...
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Yay! Censorship!
Whether you agree with the man or not, thats besides the point. Isn't America supposed to be Home of the Free Speech or something like that.
No **** Disney smacked him down. Don't wanna rock the boat in case the government decides to rock back. When you've got little Mickey Powell as chairman of the FCC, the words conflict of interest come quickly to mind.
It all goes along splendidly with the whole mentality of unblinking, unthinking support of Dubya that the media has taken up. I can't remember when last a statesman, and I use the word loosely, had it as good a Georgie boy.
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I think Moore's heart is in the right place, but he does spin things a bit too much for my taste. Nowhere near as much as Hannity, O'Reilly or *shudder* Coulter mind you, but I don't see the necessity frankly. The facts speak well enough for themselves, without having to skew them. However, most of his stuff about **** and the Suadis (as per Dude Where's My Country) are accurate.
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Originally posted by Rictor
I think Moore's heart is in the right place, but he does spin things a bit too much for my taste. Nowhere near as much as Hannity, O'Reilly or *shudder* Coulter mind you, but I don't see the necessity frankly. The facts speak well enough for themselves, without having to skew them. However, most of his stuff about **** and the Suadis (as per Dude Where's My Country) are accurate.
Moore's brilliant in every aspect imagineable. "Bowling For Columbine" got the recognition it deserved, though it left us with a lot more questions than answers. I greatly respect the man's work.
I can't wait for this film.
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Originally posted by J3Vr6
Yeah, he doesn't lie but he'll warp the facts enough that it doesn't matter if he's lying or not.
Looks like this is another one of those instances. (http://www.marccooper.com/)
Found on Drudge.
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Originally posted by Liberator
The Market is saturated with his kind of "America is bad and why you should hate it" molarkey. His shrill rhetoric is tiring at best.
Actually, his shrill rhetoric is a nice balance to the shrill rhetoric of people like Hannity, Coulter and O'Reilly. Or is it only shrill rhetoric if you don't agree with it?
Seriously, I don't think Moore has ever been of the "America is bad and this is why you should hate it" crowd. One simply cannot watch Bowling For Columbine and get the idea that the guy thinks America is bad--screwed up, certainly, but not bad. I think you confuse his dissatisfaction with the way the country is run and the apathy of her people with a dislike of the country.
All of that said, Mikey is a wee bit (read: INCREDIBLY WAY WAY WAY) to the Left for my tastes.
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I find Moore to be intensely patriotic to his country, yet startlingly honest about the actions of it's government and culture. I respect him as a researcher and documentary maker, but I respect him more as a human being for facing what he has documented head on and still retaining some faith in his nation's future.
I loved BfC, and I think Mirimax are betratying the people who line thier pockets - the consumer. We want this video, the producer wants to give us this video, so give us the god damned film.
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Originally posted by Goober5000
Looks like this is another one of those instances. (http://www.marccooper.com/)
Found on Drudge.
Remind me again, isn't Drudge the site that posted that photo of Kerry and Fonda to discredit the guy ? Way to find an 'unbiased' source. They're even worse than Michael, but maybe they're of your political leaning, hmmm ?
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Exactly what I was about to say Genryu.
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Drudge should never be accepted as a good source
neither should Moore
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In my opinion, Moore is still more credible than Grudge, if only by the sheer number of sources he uses.
But I agree on one point, it's that you either love or hate the guy, but there's no middle-ground with him.
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Originally posted by Liberator
The Market is saturated with his kind of "America is bad and why you should hate it" molarkey. His shrill rhetoric is tiring at best.
criticising government officials and their actions and the actions of certain citizens is not anti-american
it is infact is is an exercise in being american - dissent is protected by the constitution
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Yeah, it's not bad to question or criticize government. But I do think it's bad when you're twisting the facts to do it. Has it been done before? Of course, statistics is like the one math that you can get more than one answer.
Moore is a funny and smart guy, but I just personally think that if you're going to make an argument of something then you should give both sides to that argument so your public can make their own informed opinion.
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Originally posted by J3Vr6
Moore is a funny and smart guy, but I just personally think that if you're going to make an argument of something then you should give both sides to that argument so your public can make their own informed opinion.
or maybe you want an audience that doesn't demand everything served on a silverplatter? how many debatants have you seen that give both sides of an argument? I've yet to see one.
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But at least in a debate there are two people to argue the point.
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What, you mean in real debates or in political debates between candidates?
And Moore, for all his faults, does not make stuff up. He may twist it, but its all well grounded in fact. He's a satirist, not a scholar, so his primary job is split between entertaining and engaging the audience, and presenting an arguement.
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Rictor is very correct - Moore is a stairist, exaggeration is part of his job
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Originally posted by Genryu
Remind me again, isn't Drudge the site that posted that photo of Kerry and Fonda to discredit the guy ? Way to find an 'unbiased' source.
This isn't one of those special F*L*A*S*H pages on Drudge's site... it's a link to someone else's blog - someone who is neither a conservative nor a fan of the Bush administration. Did you even follow the link? :rolleyes:
The blog (http://www.marccooper.com) has been updated since then, so the posting has moved down. Look for "Lies And Moore Lies [Updated]".
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Blogs can only be considered as reliable as their authors
so 99.95% of blogs are completely irrevelant.
Have a nice day
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Again, FOLLOW THE LINK before prejudging it.
It's not the blogger's opinion -- he was linking to a news article:
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/story.jsp?story=518618
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If the production cost was only $6 million, why didn't Moore himself pick up the tab? He has to have that much sitting around, considering how succesful his books and movies are? I mean, six million is not a lot of money, an independent investor could easily come up with that much, and profits are practically guaranteed.
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Originally posted by Goober5000
This isn't one of those special F*L*A*S*H pages on Drudge's site... it's a link to someone else's blog - someone who is neither a conservative nor a fan of the Bush administration. Did you even follow the link? :rolleyes:
The blog (http://www.marccooper.com) has been updated since then, so the posting has moved down. Look for "Lies And Moore Lies [Updated]".
Errrrr- what's the difference ? Even if it isn't written by grudge's staff, i really doubt that they're going to link to someone who disagree with their usual leaning.
On another point : It's sure that Mikey waited before Cannes' festival, it's a sure way for him to get coverage. But how is this different from **** waiting after the 9/11 to reveal his plan for Irak ? Not the same thing, but the same hypocrisy nonetheless. It just happens that one only deals with a film, where the other deals with thousands of lifes...
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The thing about Micheal Moore is that he is one of those people who actually thinks that Republicans have nothing better to do with there time than stay up at night thinking about ways to ship more jobs oversees, ruin America, and opress people.
I liked Bowling for Columbine a great deal, but somewhere toward the end it stopped being about Americans being scared by the media, and obsessed with violence and more about corporate greed and welfare. Like there was some OBVIOUs connection that I just wasn't seeing. I was actually rather offended that he could imply that the issue is so complicated and give me such a watered down answer.
Oh, and Disney blocking the project is them expressing their own right to free speech, if Moore wants to find some kind of connection between big oil and (just) Republicans there are plenty of outlets who live off of that stuff.
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Originally posted by adamnation
The thing about Micheal Moore is that he is one of those people who actually thinks that Republicans have nothing better to do with there time than stay up at night thinking about ways to ship more jobs oversees, ruin America, and opress people.
They don't. There's too much profit in oppression and outsourcing. This is why democrats run for 8 years, it takes that long to clean up 4 years of Republican malice.
It's all about the dollar, everything else is secondary (Enron, anyone?)
"Greed is good. Greed works." - "Wall Street"