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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: ionia23 on May 06, 2004, 05:40:21 pm

Title: Do public figures deserve privacy?
Post by: ionia23 on May 06, 2004, 05:40:21 pm
Thought this would make a nice derailment from some of the political debates we've had recently.

Celeb wins privacy suit (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/05/06/entertainment/main615984.shtml)

Most interesting is the retort from the Daily Mirror.

So that's the big question: If you're a public figure, are you entitled to any privacy whatsoever?  Where are the boundaries between a free press and the right to go buy a hotdog at a convenience store without being hounded by photographers?

or playing with your kids on the beach?
Title: Do public figures deserve privacy?
Post by: phreak on May 06, 2004, 05:42:08 pm
maybe we should be looking into why people care about the lives of celebrities
Title: Do public figures deserve privacy?
Post by: ionia23 on May 06, 2004, 05:46:03 pm
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Originally posted by PhReAk
maybe we should be looking into why people care about the lives of celebrities

:yes:
Title: Do public figures deserve privacy?
Post by: Rictor on May 06, 2004, 05:49:17 pm
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Originally posted by PhReAk
maybe we should be looking into why people care about the lives of celebrities


Amen to that. Its pathetic is what it is.

but as for privacy, sure give them as much privacy as they want. I mean, of course you expect there to be cameras at a movie premiere or something along those lines, but I'm of the opinion that the paparazzi needs to stay the hell out of their personal lives.
Title: Do public figures deserve privacy?
Post by: ionia23 on May 06, 2004, 05:58:52 pm
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Originally posted by Rictor


Amen to that. Its pathetic is what it is.

but as for privacy, sure give them as much privacy as they want. I mean, of course you expect there to be cameras at a movie premiere or something along those lines, but I'm of the opinion that the paparazzi needs to stay the hell out of their personal lives.


Yeah, but they get to cry "free press" at will.  Stinks.
Title: Do public figures deserve privacy?
Post by: SadisticSid on May 06, 2004, 06:00:06 pm
Give them as much privacy as the law entitles them to and no more. I hate our celebrity-centric gossip culture as much as anyone, but banning paparazzi and giving them special protection is not the way to demolish it.
Title: Do public figures deserve privacy?
Post by: Fineus on May 06, 2004, 06:01:50 pm
I gotta go with Phreak myself, the average human part of me might flash an interest in events but I really don't give a **** in a genuine way. It's a pity so many do.

As for actual privacy... no more than anyone else deserves. No less either. They're only people.
Title: Do public figures deserve privacy?
Post by: Thorn on May 06, 2004, 06:02:45 pm
Freedom of Press/Speech comes second to Freedom of Privacy.
Anyone who says otherwise is a miserable **** who has nothing beter to do with their life than interfere in the affairs of others.
Title: Do public figures deserve privacy?
Post by: Rictor on May 06, 2004, 06:09:18 pm
Not really Thorn. I mean, if **** was doing coke (oh, wait...) the press would have a right (and an obligation, but they obviously don't know the meaning of the word) to report it without the **** family crying privacy.

It depends on the importance of the matter. If its just some random celeb going through rehab, who cares. But if its an important person with decision making powers, than their personal actions may be important. Clinton getting a blowjob, no one gives a ****, since it doesn't interfere with his decison making as the POTUS. But if he was taking bribes from the Russians, that would be important.
Title: Do public figures deserve privacy?
Post by: SadisticSid on May 06, 2004, 06:16:04 pm
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Originally posted by Rictor
It depends on the importance of the matter. If its just some random celeb going through rehab, who cares. But if its an important person with decision making powers, than their personal actions may be important. Clinton getting a blowjob, no one gives a ****, since it doesn't interfere with his decison making as the POTUS. But if he was taking bribes from the Russians, that would be important.


And this is why what Thorn was saying will never (or at best, very rarely) happen. Clinton getting a blowjob might imply things about his presiding over the US, which will be important to some people. If you make a decision based on what can be printed by what's deemed to be important, anyone can make up anything to justify it....
Title: Do public figures deserve privacy?
Post by: Cabbie on May 06, 2004, 06:24:44 pm
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Originally posted by PhReAk
maybe we should be looking into why people care about the lives of celebrities


Well said. Sadly these very people are the reason why the media hounds celebreties, becuase it's profitable - the fangirls/fanboys simply buy it all up. :(
Title: Do public figures deserve privacy?
Post by: IceFire on May 06, 2004, 06:34:07 pm
Privacy is important...public figure or not.  These people are harrased way too much.
Title: Do public figures deserve privacy?
Post by: mikhael on May 06, 2004, 08:37:11 pm
I'm with IceFire. My rights end where theirs begins. I have no business knowing what these people do outside of the spotlight.  Only when they are performing in their public roles should we expect access to them. Its a simple matter of treating others as you want to be treated. I don't want to be photographed on the street going about my private business. Likewise, I shouldn't expect to get to do that to a celebrity (nor should intrusive papparazzi be able to profit from it).
Title: Do public figures deserve privacy?
Post by: an0n on May 07, 2004, 03:46:00 am
When I rule the world/country it will be impossible to get a job in the cabinet without giving me or Bubba a blowjob.

Hot chicks would blow me; Ugly chicks and men would blow Bubba. That way, if they pissed me off, I'd have video of them sucking on a black man's wang.
Title: Do public figures deserve privacy?
Post by: JarC on May 07, 2004, 04:56:51 am
man, talk about bending logic....

"Morgan said in court that the newspaper had reported Campbell's drug problem sympathetically. He argued that she was not entitled to the same privacy as ordinary people because she used the media to promote her image and to discuss intimate details of her private life."

that is almost the same as saying that you are not allowed to ask money for software if you at any point distributed freeware in the past...
Title: Do public figures deserve privacy?
Post by: ionia23 on May 07, 2004, 10:58:15 am
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Originally posted by JarC
man, talk about bending logic....

"Morgan said in court that the newspaper had reported Campbell's drug problem sympathetically. He argued that she was not entitled to the same privacy as ordinary people because she used the media to promote her image and to discuss intimate details of her private life."

that is almost the same as saying that you are not allowed to ask money for software if you at any point distributed freeware in the past...


See, what he was really saying is that "celebrities falling from grace sells.  Ruining one is far more profitable than building one up."
Title: Do public figures deserve privacy?
Post by: J3Vr6 on May 07, 2004, 11:06:53 am
Sure it's their business, but you can't say it's not fun seeing a gary busey cracking a camera guys head open... Or bjork knocking out a reporter.  It's none of our business, but it's always fun to see someone get a beat down, whether it be from a famous guy or not.
Title: Do public figures deserve privacy?
Post by: 01010 on May 07, 2004, 11:08:34 am
Piers Morgan is a wanker. I hope the photos of th British Soldiers torturing prisoners are fake for two reasons.

1) It's a ****ing disgrace if it did happen

2) If their fake Piers Morgan will be sued for every god damn penny he owns and nothing would make me happier.
Title: Do public figures deserve privacy?
Post by: mikhael on May 07, 2004, 12:07:08 pm
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Originally posted by J3Vr6
Sure it's their business, but you can't say it's not fun seeing a gary busey cracking a camera guys head open... Or bjork knocking out a reporter.  It's none of our business, but it's always fun to see someone get a beat down, whether it be from a famous guy or not.


I disagree. I don't like seeing people get beat down, except in fiction.
Title: Do public figures deserve privacy?
Post by: ionia23 on May 07, 2004, 01:06:58 pm
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Originally posted by J3Vr6
Sure it's their business, but you can't say it's not fun seeing a gary busey cracking a camera guys head open... Or bjork knocking out a reporter.  It's none of our business, but it's always fun to see someone get a beat down, whether it be from a famous guy or not.


I've seen that clip of Bjork.  That reporter pushed her to the limits.  She's usually level-headed about that, but when you intrude on her kid....I'd be levelling small nations too.
Title: Do public figures deserve privacy?
Post by: SadisticSid on May 07, 2004, 01:20:15 pm
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Originally posted by 01010
Piers Morgan is a wanker. I hope the photos of th British Soldiers torturing prisoners are fake for two reasons.

1) It's a ****ing disgrace if it did happen

2) If their fake Piers Morgan will be sued for every god damn penny he owns and nothing would make me happier.


Hear here. :yes:
Title: Do public figures deserve privacy?
Post by: J3Vr6 on May 07, 2004, 01:30:24 pm
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Originally posted by ionia23


I've seen that clip of Bjork.  That reporter pushed her to the limits.  She's usually level-headed about that, but when you intrude on her kid....I'd be levelling small nations too.


Yeah and she dropped that b*tch like a brick.  Seriously, I can't stand Paparrazi at all.  I understand that you're in the public eye, but when they're stalking you and asking intimate questions about your kids, then I hope they have health insurance.
Title: Do public figures deserve privacy?
Post by: Jiggyhound on May 07, 2004, 01:36:27 pm
meh, paparazzi. castrate the lot of em. They should get better jobs that benefit society, not the senseless celeb loving freaks with no life of their own. BURN THEM ALL! :hopping:
Title: Do public figures deserve privacy?
Post by: pyro-manic on May 07, 2004, 01:44:13 pm
Celebrities should be entitled to privacy, except when their actions break the law, or cause people to suffer unduly. I don't care if some celebrity has an affair, or a drugs habit.

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Originally posted by 01010
Piers Morgan is a wanker. I hope the photos of th British Soldiers torturing prisoners are fake for two reasons.

1) It's a ****ing disgrace if it did happen

2) If their fake Piers Morgan will be sued for every god damn penny he owns and nothing would make me happier.


****in' right. The man is a tit. I think they are faked:

1) They're strange quality photos - they're black and white, but they're high-res and well-lit - much more than the genuine American pictures.

2) The dress of the soldiers is questionable - why is there a guy with a rifle, wearing all his combat pouches and webbing over a t-shirt? Doesn't seem realistic to me...

Anyway, back on-topic: I can't understand how people can have such empty, boring lives that they care about some stupidly-overpaid football player's possible affairs, or what brand of shoes his has-been wife wears...
Title: Do public figures deserve privacy?
Post by: J3Vr6 on May 07, 2004, 02:19:19 pm
U know, I'm a hippocrate.  No matter how much I hate paparazzi, whenever my girl turns on "Celebrities Uncensored" I can't help but watch :blush:

What can I say?  I like watching those little actors get their shorts in a jumble.