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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: diamondgeezer on May 07, 2004, 05:17:49 pm
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And why not? If they don't let me lose on the fix-wings, I hope they'll give me one of these:
(http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/lynx-mk8-gllry_05.jpg)
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The Apache, likely the most well known helicopter. And for good reason.
(http://www.artwallpapers.com/military/helicopter/01/helicopter01.jpg)
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Apaches, they may drop like flys, but damn are they cool looking, just entierly too much weapons, just the way I like it
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yeah those things are loaded arsenals. and they're badass too! i've always thought helicopters launching weapons looked cooler than moving aircraft, like jets.
remember in "Behind Enemy Lines" near the end, right when the good guy's running toward the edge of a cliff, and there's dozens of (Koreans?) after him, chasing him, and right when he gets to the edge, like three helicopters laden with weapons (not sure if they were apaches or not) hover up and just start launching rockets and open their machine guns on the enemies :cool: :P it was badass ;) :)
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That was the most unrealistic war movie I have ever seen. Heat tracking satelites with the ability to parse ground heat from human heat that easily... missiles that can miss an airplane and turn all the way around to hit... I could go on and on... all those discrepencies just made me hate that movie.
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it was highly unrealistic but still fun to watch :)
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i liked it :)
Anyway, i just popped the DVD in and took some screenshots for those of you that haven't seen the movie or don't have it. here's from: "Behind Enemy Lines" :
(http://www.swooh.com/lorenzo/hlphosted/pic1.JPG)
(http://www.swooh.com/lorenzo/hlphosted/pic2.JPG)
(http://www.swooh.com/lorenzo/hlphosted/pic3.JPG)
(http://www.swooh.com/lorenzo/hlphosted/pic4.JPG)
(http://www.swooh.com/lorenzo/hlphosted/pic5.JPG)
(http://www.swooh.com/lorenzo/hlphosted/pic6.JPG)
(http://www.swooh.com/lorenzo/hlphosted/pic7.JPG)
(http://www.swooh.com/lorenzo/hlphosted/pic8.JPG)
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(http://www.swooh.com/lorenzo/hlphosted/pic9.JPG)
(http://www.swooh.com/lorenzo/hlphosted/pic11.JPG)
(http://www.swooh.com/lorenzo/hlphosted/pic12.JPG)
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That movie was great up until that HORRIFIC ending.
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(http://www.commerce-center.com.br/saiba_mais/modelismo/helicopteros/ka50_g.jpg)
The Kamov Ka50 Hokum ( or werewolf ). By far the coolest attack helicopter ever made.
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the russians made some cool military tech.
and hueys have to be onna the most venerable of the helo designs, they have gone through oh so many design refits since vietnam.
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The Commanche, a 'stealth' helicopter and is to be used by the Americans in about 2010.
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The commanche has been cancelled :p
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I can't get EVERYTHING right can I?
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Originally posted by Nico
(http://www.commerce-center.com.br/saiba_mais/modelismo/helicopteros/ka50_g.jpg)
The Kamov Ka50 Hokum ( or werewolf ). By far the coolest attack helicopter ever made.
:yes:
I love the looks of the Hokum, it's so ugly but so right.
I also love the Mi-24 Hind, because any helicopter sim I've ever played that has had one of these in, it has scared the **** outta me.
(http://www.aircav.com/dodphoto/dod00/mi24-005rs.jpg)
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Originally posted by ARothers
I can't get EVERYTHING right can I?
Obviously not :p
But if you don't like things pointed out, I wondered how you grew up so far, you see, I was giving you an information, usually, informations are welcome. Ah well, I really wonder where this world is going to :doubt:
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Originally posted by 01010
:yes:
I love the looks of the Hokum, it's so ugly but so right.
I also love the Mi-24 Hind, because any helicopter sim I've ever played that has had one of these in, it has scared the **** outta me.
(http://www.aircav.com/dodphoto/dod00/mi24-005rs.jpg)
whereas the hokum was a pure attack helo, the hind was multipurpose, it was a gunship and transport, a role that, well, it was perfectly suited to.. it was designed like that from the get-go... other gunship/transports were usually like the modified hueys or, more recentlly, a blackhawk or somesuch with a few missle-pods attached.
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The Hind rocks, it's one of the symbols of Russia and, before, USSR. It's been featured in movies, animes, series, videogames, books :D
It often even played the role of end level bosses in some videogames :D
Gotta admit that weird twin-bubble cockpit and those huge wings make it quite recognizable, actually :)
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Originally posted by Nico
The Hind rocks, it's one of the symbols of Russia and, before, USSR. It's been featured in movies, animes, series, videogames, books :D
Yup, the russians made some tech that outlasted the soviet bloc.
It often even played the role of end level bosses in some videogames :D
yup, like metal gear solid.
Gotta admit that weird twin-bubble cockpit and those huge wings make t wuite recognizable, actually :)
very recoginizeable.. :nod:
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Mi 26. Bigger than a 737, I believe
(http://www.aerosfera.ru/postcards/ser1/fotos/mi26.jpg)
(http://nodewar.penguinbomb.com/saab/images/MI-26.jpg)
(Yes, that's a Chinook underneath...)
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Originally posted by diamondgeezer
(http://members.tripod.com/liftmaster0/MI-26.jpg)
(Yes, that's a Chinook underneath...)
funny, looks like a tripod to me :p
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no, it's a tripod image.
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^ Link fixed ^
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Holy ****. I knew they were big, but I didn't realise the full scope of it. :eek:
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woah, nice
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That Mi26 might be one of the scariest aircraft I've ever seen, just for the sheer scale.
After the Apache (the single greatest rotor wing EVER), comes the Hind (in all its versions, not all have two bubble cockpits. some have a single bubble and an armor sheet) and the Cobra. I don't care what anyone says, the Cobra is beautiful and doesn't get enough recognition. :)
The Hokum/Werewolf, however, is like the Comanche: worthless, ugly wastes of money, manpower and training.
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The Hokum can do anything the Apache does, with a single pilot and more armor :p
The Apache is famous for one thing: being used as a moving target. Was regarded highly until it was actually involved in battles, and then... :p
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Actually, last I checked, the Hokum can't do the aerobatics the Apache is capable of, but that doesn't matter. The Hokum is a maintenance NIGHTMARE in ways the Apache never was, due to that incredibly fruity dual-mast linkage.
Most importantly, the Apache is a beautiful piece of gear, but the Hokum is an ugly beast that should never have been (like the Comanche, actually).
What can I say, I subscribe to the runway model of warfare. ;)
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the hind just rules :D
*drools...*
Capitalist pigs!
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Mi-2 Hoplite.
Best. Chopper. Ever.
:blah:
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Originally posted by mikhael
Actually, last I checked, the Hokum can't do the aerobatics the Apache is capable of, but that doesn't matter. The Hokum is a maintenance NIGHTMARE in ways the Apache never was, due to that incredibly fruity dual-mast linkage.
Well I can't quote figures for the russian helicopters but haven't the Americans lost a ridiculous number of apaches that weren't actually shot down?
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Actually, last I recall, its the Blackhawks and Ospreys that have the largest non-combat casualty lists.
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Well, when I was at Yeovilton, in the briefing for the underwater escape training thingy, several US Blackhawk pilots were present on a exchange program. They were asked how the Blackhawk floats - they answered 'like a manhole cover'. Draw your own conclusions...
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Originally posted by mikhael
Actually, last I checked, the Hokum can't do the aerobatics the Apache is capable of, but that doesn't matter. The Hokum is a maintenance NIGHTMARE in ways the Apache never was, due to that incredibly fruity dual-mast linkage.
Most importantly, the Apache is a beautiful piece of gear, but the Hokum is an ugly beast that should never have been (like the Comanche, actually).
What can I say, I subscribe to the runway model of warfare. ;)
Heh? I've personnally seen a Hokum ( at Le Bourget ) doing barrel rolls and loopings. I have yet to even hear about the Apache doing that.
As for the dual rotor thing, many russian helos use that setup, I believe that if it was that horrible they'd have given up on it.
And I personnally thing the Apache looks way less cool ( in fact,; it looks -and is- weak and fragile, whereas the Hokum looks strong and, well, manly :p ), but we both know you have sucky tastes, so I don't have any hard feeling for what you said ;)
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Originally posted by 01010
:yes:
I love the looks of the Hokum, it's so ugly but so right.
I also love the Mi-24 Hind, because any helicopter sim I've ever played that has had one of these in, it has scared the **** outta me.
(http://www.aircav.com/dodphoto/dod00/mi24-005rs.jpg)
agreed hind is awsome :eek2: :shaking:
however....
Orca PwN3z you all!!! :drevil:
(http://renegade.realts.com/images/units/orca.jpg)
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lol :D
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Yeah I'm actually kinda surprised that something like the Orca has never been devised....it looks very plasuable.
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V-22 Osprey:p
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speaking of helis, the cockpit of the Medusa reminds me of an Apache cockpit. just a random thought there.
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Originally posted by Nico
Heh? I've personnally seen a Hokum ( at Le Bourget ) doing barrel rolls and loopings. I have yet to even hear about the Apache doing that.
As for the dual rotor thing, many russian helos use that setup, I believe that if it was that horrible they'd have given up on it.
Um, Venom, you might want to watch any American airshow where they fly an Apache. They do the barrel rolls, loops, backward somersaults and stuff, like... um... all the time. I grew up on US Army bases and watched them flying the things constantly. They can't FLY upside down, but basic aerobatics is pretty easy.
You know, the US Air Force kept the SR 71 in service for how many years, even though it was a maintenence nightmare? See, sometimes, the utility of the craft outweighs the maintenence problems in the long run. That's probably why they're willing to use the dual mast in so many models: the inherent stability and agility (which, indeed, can be formidible) outweighs the problem the maintenence crews might have when they're working on it.
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When any jackass can get his hands on a SAM for like $100 bucks, the usefulness of helicopters would be somewhat diminished I would imagine.
But for looks, I'de say the Hind.
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Originally posted by mikhael
Um, Venom, you might want to watch any American airshow where they fly an Apache. They do the barrel rolls, loops, backward somersaults and stuff, like... um... all the time. I grew up on US Army bases and watched them flying the things constantly. They can't FLY upside down, but basic aerobatics is pretty easy.
So, it can do it too? seems I haven't checked my sources better than you on that point :p
The point is, anything the Apache does, the Hokum can do too, like it or not :p
( what's up with that stupid NATO naming convention again, btw? They already designated the Mi28 Hokum too :doubt: )
As for the SR71, the US didn't make a new version, right? they kept the old thing coz they couldn't bother making a new version. If they had done a new one, they would have made it another way, don't you think?
I dunno about you, but I don't think the russians are more stupid or anyhing, and think " even if it's broken, let's not fix it ). :p
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Originally posted by Rictor
When any jackass can get his hands on a SAM for like $100 bucks, the usefulness of helicopters would be somewhat diminished I would imagine.
But for looks, I'de say the Hind.
Possibly, I'm no expert but I've played a fair few copter sims, the point of the copter is that is has more agility due to the ability to hover. Terrain use is vitally important to a helicopter pilot for stealth, both visually and on radar. A good pilot in a good copter could take out someone with a SAM without them even realising there was a helicopter there.
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In a computer game maybe, little more difficult in reallife. Lots of scenery to hide behind and such.
Mikhael, its ok for the US to be keeping on wasteful projects but Russia simply doesnt have the funds to put good stuff like the Yakhonts and t-90 into service, let alone wasteful stuff. The fact that its in active service at the minute suggests that the russians are quite happy with it. Bear in mind these guys have 20+ years experience of getting their helos shot down in afghanistan and chechyna so they should know what works and what doesnt.
Mi-28s the Havok Nico
Worlds largest helicopter
(http://www.moninoaviation.com/15a.jpg)
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Originally posted by 01010
Possibly, I'm no expert but I've played a fair few copter sims, the point of the copter is that is has more agility due to the ability to hover. Terrain use is vitally important to a helicopter pilot for stealth, both visually and on radar. A good pilot in a good copter could take out someone with a SAM without them even realising there was a helicopter there.
In theory. In reality, the helos makes noise, heat, lots of things that make it not so invisble, hidden behind a hill or not.
Gank: I stand corrected, but I'm sure there's another older russian copter designated Hokum. That or they screwed up somewhere in the Gunship2000 manual :p
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Originally posted by Nico
In theory. In reality, the helos makes noise, heat, lots of things that make it not so invisble, hidden behind a hill or not.
Yeah, but some helos also have 'silent running'. It reduces warmth output etc etc. :)
Hows the WC3 map coming btw? :p
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Originally posted by Nico
In theory. In reality, the helos makes noise, heat, lots of things that make it not so invisble, hidden behind a hill or not.
I did say I was no expert. :)
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Originally posted by Tiara
Yeah, but some helos also have 'silent running'. It reduces warmth output etc etc. :)
Watched Blue Thunder recently? That's probably true, but I doubt there's any miracle, the sound and heat emissions can't be that lowered, imho. If you can spot a soldier's heat in a thick jungle with just IR googles, I'm sure a good radar can't miss an helo.
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Actually, you can redirect a large amount of the heat and sound emissions straight down, Venom. That's how stealthed helicopters work. Hide one running in that mode behind a hill and I guarantee you will NOT hear it.
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Then how come the people who shoot and destroy them don't agree? I guess helo pilots are stuborn and don't do what they've learned :p
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Perhaps we're not communicating, Venom. Could you, you know, explain what you mean, slowly and carefully?
I've hear an Apache running quiet. The sound is incredibly subdued, compared to the usual sound of the rotor. If it were out of sight, I would either not hear it, or I would not associate that sound with a helicopter.
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Then again you were not on a battlefield, expecting anything to happen, with the gear to help you find bogeys :)
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um, yeah he was
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Well, no, I didn't have gear, but the "quiet running" modes of helicopters aren't intended for men with listening gear. See, you can still actually, you know, HEAR IT. And if you know what a heilcopter in this mode sounds like, you will know what it is, gear or no.
As for being on a battlefield, don't you ever listen? I grew up on Army bases. I joined the navy. I don't hang around on battlefields. That's for targets, bullet-catchers and fools.
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I know, that was a... erm... spiritual trait, I thought you'd realise :p
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Kewl new chopper for the Royal Navy - the Merlin:
(http://homepage.eircom.net/~helicopters/merlin.jpg)
Like this better than the Lynx (though this can't be used as a gunship AFAIK) - not as ugly...
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The Merlin is damned pretty for a workhorse. I like it. :D
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What's wrong with the Lynx? I think it's cool.
Anyway, that's funny how your merlin looks almost exactly like our ( well, our, it's mostly Eurocopter, so it's about 1/3 german 1/3 french, and the rest from spain and italy ) NH90 :p
(http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/nh90/images/nh3.jpg)
(http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/nh90/images/nh4.jpg)
(http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/nh90/images/nh11.jpg)
Call me biaised, but I prefer the NH90 :p