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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Carl on May 12, 2004, 08:06:40 pm
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Degra's dead, Hoshi's been captured, the weapon's been launched and is on it's way to earth, and Enterprise can't find it.
...things don't look all that good, do they?
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They never do, pretty cool Star Trek Space Battle at the end, though.
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downloading...
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Great space battle. Though I'm wondering why Hoshi was abducted as opposed to kidnapping Archer (again)...
I'm wondering how/if the information from the sphere will be able to help in the next episode or in the season finale.
The Builders also serving as protectors for the Xindi explains quite a bit as to why they're so willing to follow through with the whole blow up a species you've never met thing. I wish they did show the movie that the builders showed them of humans blowing up their new homeworld in the future.
Damn those psychohistory using extradimensional aliens, they're always annoying meddlers :p
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ARGH!!!! I CURSE YOU ALL!!! What happened to the spoiler tags?!!?!?!? The Heat are in the Playoffs and they were airing the game (AWESOME GAME btw) so they won't show this episode til Saturday...
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Just wow... Enterprise is getting better and better by every episode. I'm really looking forward to the next week :nod:
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Too bad it's still in the air whether it'll be back or not.
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eh...
the file was corupt...
eehhhh.......
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Originally posted by J3Vr6
ARGH!!!! I CURSE YOU ALL!!! What happened to the spoiler tags?!!?!?!? The Heat are in the Playoffs and they were airing the game (AWESOME GAME btw) so they won't show this episode til Saturday...
What the hell do you expect with a thread titled "Enterprise episode: The Council"?
I liked this episode. I knew Degra had it coming though. The series has taken on a new sinister overtone in this season, and of course B5 levels of continuity. Things are always much better in story arcs than disconnected episodes.
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I managed to recover the file, and just wow, that was a great epp, I'm gona watch it again, just the acting, the way people talked, the mood, the atmosphere, it was so much better than nearly anything I've seen with 'trek' in the title.
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I enjoyed it...but it aint over yet.
And the battle was very well done...I liked the use of cameras (what 3D rendering can do now) zooming through the battle while the battle zooms towards and through the camera.
VERY impressive visual work done on that and other things in there.
And I like how Enterprise has been cleaned up a bit since the last episode but it still looks heavily damaged. I like this attention to detail...not the "magic fix" in the next episode.
Acting as usual pretty good (I can never really tell unless its dreadfully bad) and the story is very interesting!
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That last (space) fight was really cool. I wonder who will die in the next show.
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Dude why does everyone reference B5 for continuity like they were the first tv show to ever do it? It's been around for decades, people, get with it. Hell, even soap opera's use continuity, why don't you mention that you like Enterprises use of "Days of Our Lives" continuity.
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EdenFX 0wnz!:pmmmm i heard enterprise whas made with lightwave:)
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Originally posted by J3Vr6
Dude why does everyone reference B5 for continuity like they were the first tv show to ever do it? It's been around for decades, people, get with it. Hell, even soap opera's use continuity, why don't you mention that you like Enterprises use of "Days of Our Lives" continuity.
Because B5 was and still is the only show to have a pre-planned five-year-arc, and got it done? Of course they had a superior level of continuity
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Originally posted by Stunaep
Because B5 was and still is the only show to have a pre-planned five-year-arc, and got it done? Of course they had a superior level of continuity
TOTALY agree B5 rocks
but ent episodes are getting better hehe i kinda liked the last ep ... but we all know earth cant get destroyed because it was in well Voyager which is faaar faaaaar in the future :)
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Is Earth mentioned in the alternate universe? If not, then Earth can be destroyed and it can become part of the alternate universe history. ;)
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I think they'll have Earth being destroyed at least two more times.
One time will be by the weapon and another will be off in the future by the Sphere Builders.
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"but we all know earth cant get destroyed because ..."
this is why it's so patently obvius that it's gona get blasted to ity bits.
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Hmm.... Possibilities of the Enterprise universe:
1. It was created by the Enterprise E going back in time and stopping the Borg.
2. It's the Mirror, Mirror universe.
3. Poor initial planning by Brannon and Braga.
4. Something else entirely.
Any combination of the 4.
EDIT: Sorry for the typo, Carl.
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Originally posted by Grey Wolf 2009
1. It was created by the Enterprise E going back in time and stopping the board.
Which board? the VBB? I knew it! all those trolls were actually Picard and crew trying to bring it down! :mad:
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I still think the timeline will be reset when Archer and Daniels use some kind of Krenim-esq weapon to erase Archer and the Sphere Builders from history.
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Um, not to sound like some kind of arrogant trekkie here or anything but:
If I recall correctly the universe in which the Enterprise-E and the Mirror-mirror universe are actually the same thing. If you read Shatner's books (I think its called Preserver or something like that) the real spock and the mirror spock talk about the differences between their universe and ours. Apparently the two huge differences are that a) in the mirror universe a lake that zephram cochrane named lake sloan in our universe, was named lake riker in the mirror universe and b) in the mirror universe the Borg were detected very early in earths history and enough was learned about them to fomulate an effective defense long before they ever came to assimilate earth.
Since starfleet has run into the borg in Enterprise, I would assume that this is in fact the mirror universe. Of course thats just my opinion and I could be wrong.
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Remember that Shatner's books ignore every TV series after DS9.
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Also, I wonder what they are going todo with that power thing they stole from the sphere...
A super weapon? Open a vortex to travel in time? A really good blended drink?
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Originally posted by ubermetroid
Also, I wonder what they are going todo with that power thing they stole from the sphere...
A super weapon? Open a vortex to travel in time? A really good blended drink?
It's Ol' Janx Spirit.
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I thought that a memory core. How are you going to blow anything up with a memory core?
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you don't, but he seems think it's some sort of generator for some odd reason, and I'm inclined to let him live in his fanticy world of dragons and hobbits just so long as he doesn't try to influence me with it.
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Shatner's books are about as non-canon as you can get.
In The Return he had the Borg allying with the Romulans to reanimate Kirk from the dead and have him kill Picard. But they ended up going to the Borg homeworld, throwing a huge switch and destroying the entire collective.
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Bilbo lives next door. You should see the pretty ring I stole from him! :D
Its a memory core? Damn... I need to rewatch the show. I would DL it, but that would take weeks on dial up.
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Really? Shatners books are non cannon? Odd, they always seemed to make plenty of sense in regard to the Series after DS9 (which is only Voyager unless I am very much mistaken). Granted the Borg actually going to all the trouble to bring Kirk back how they did is a little unrealistic, however, it wouldnt make very much sense for Shatner to write a book wihtout Kirk in it would it now.
As far as the destruction of the Borg world goes, there must be about a thousand borg planets, and they seem to get destroyed on a regular basis. The books never actually say that the whole collective was destroyed, just he branch that was working with the romlulans, and I seem to recall several hundred, if not thousands of borg cubes leaving the planets surface. And even if the Queen was in that spiffy dome thing, she seems to come back... over, and over, and over again :rolleyes: .
Hm, it seems that Ive gotten just a little bit off topic. Just remember that any show based around time travel isnt going to make perfect sense especially if the future is well established already.
hm, the memory core will likely cement the alliance between Earth and the Xindi and lead to creation of the Federation. ;)
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it'll probly have comunications between the builders about how fun it's been screwing with the Xindi's minds
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http://whatsnewkhan.ytmnd.com/
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Or Enterprise is the universe created by Enterprise E from FC, but this is just the first time we're seeing it, explaining why the TNG crew or TOS crew didn't know about the Borg.
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it would have been neat if the xindi weapon turned out to be this:
(http://ragjr.com/killer.jpg)
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A big retarded sperm? :wtf:
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The Doomsday Device, IIRC. Destroyed by ramming a Constitution-class starship into it and then detonating the impulse drive.
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Yeah, personally I think it would have been awesome if it was the Doomsday machine instead of a Deathstar clone.
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Yeah, but that would've been to hard. They don't have a Constitution to feed it.
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And it wouldn't have tied in with the Spheres.
The only simple geometric shapes you can use for a super-weapon are spheres and cubes and if they'd used a cube.....
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it looks like a borg sphere, but with a gyroscope circling around it.
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Yeah, that was my first thought when the battle started.
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It should have looked like the Golgotha :D
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and this brings up a interesting point I've thought about a few times recently, has anyone else noticed that the sphere ***** looks/sounds/acts one full hell of a lot like the borg queen, right down to the shape of her cloths (that whole v-neck thing with little hook like things comeing off it)
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Slight problem with that:
1. BQ is dead, Janeway killed the Collective.
2. BQ wouldn't need to alter the structure of Spacetime.
3. BQ would've just assimilated the Xindi and kept going.
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he's not suggesting that its the borg queen, he's merely pointing out the lack of creativity.
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Originally posted by Liberator
1. BQ is dead, Janeway killed the Collective.
we don't know that. sector 001 was destroyed, but that doesn't mean the borg are gone, just weakened. plus the borg queen has been killed many times. they seem to just keep making new ones.
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Originally posted by Liberator
Slight problem with that:
1. BQ is dead, Janeway killed the Collective.
2. BQ wouldn't need to alter the structure of Spacetime.
3. BQ would've just assimilated the Xindi and kept going.
#1 is eliminated if we assume that Enterprise actually takes place in the parrallel universe featured in Mirror, Mirror.
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So, instead of leading to the creation of the Federation, like everyone has been led to believe, Enterprise will lead to the creation of the Klingon-esque Terran Empire?
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Archer seems a tad nice for that...
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Also, why would they start acknowledging the fiction?
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But he's getting badder and badder.
I think the thing about the Guardian being the BQ isn't likely. It's incredibly unlikely the Sphere Builders evolve into the Borg, as the Borg are supposed to be at least old enough to exist as the Collective at the time of the Phoenix launch (because the drones on Ent-E tried to contact them).
But it's possible something.....unfortunate happens to the Guardian and she ends up being assimilated.
Still, the Borg designation for Humans is 6***, and the highest species number we hear in Voyager is a 9000 number. The Voyager Queen was from 125, IIRC. So the Borg probably don't encounter mankind or anyone with tactical knowledge of them till they assimilate the Raven.
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Borg (http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/features/documentaries/article/4109.html)
Queen=125
Humans=5618
Yeah, I'm a *****. :p
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I wasn't sudgesting they were one and the same, just pointing out the similarity, though it could posably be cool if somehow she got assimilated, if the queen was from #125 then there was quite a few borg around and operateing before she was assimilated.
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Not necessarily, I for one, do not believe the Borg were always as nuts about "Perfection" as they are/were(depending on your interpretation of events at the end of Voyager).
There was an episode of Voyager, where they discovered a bunch of cryonically stored people and when they woke them up and were bringing them up to date on current regional events, they(the cryopeople were surprised to learn that the Borg had overrun much of the quadrant, because they only had a few planets only a few centuries before.
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I wonder why do the Ferengi have such a low species number. :confused:
By the way, what species had the "good luck" of becoming known as species 1? :D
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Probably the ones who started the Borg.
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looks like Hoshi is going to be brain washed into getting the third armming code.
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how exactly would she do that? just because she's good with languages doesn't mean she can decipher what is probably a several quadrillion digit code.
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well that's what there doing
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Hoshi's not just "good with languages". She has a nack for deciphering patterns and codes.
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wonder if they end up sending the weapon to the future just as it's about to fire, and they send it to the future Xindi home world.
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Originally posted by Bobboau
wonder if they end up sending the weapon to the future just as it's about to fire, and they send it to the future Xindi home world.
No, to the point in space where the Enterprise meets the first Borg cube in 'Q Who' and wipe out the cube in a single shot. I really want to see the look on Q's face when that happens. :D
But he'd probably already know about it... :doubt:
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"yes now tremble in fear before the might of the /*cube gets blasted to bits*/ bor... oh, wait that wasn't suposed to happen.. oh, that ****ing archer! can't he deal with his super weapons in his own damned time line"
I bet they'd do that just to piss off all the people who have been *****ing about how they've screwed up the continuity
but there's all sorts of fun places it could be sent.
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they could send it back in time 10,000 years, where species 1 discovers it, then reverse enginneers it, and becomes the borg.
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Or they could just blow it up.
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Originally posted by Carl
they could send it back in time 10,000 years, where species 1 discovers it, then reverse enginneers it, and becomes the borg.
The most horrible thing about that sentence is that it makes sense.
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Hmm, Species 1, the beginning of the Borg... I would really like to see, one day, some credible and solid story based around the history of the Borg, how they were created - And so on. An experiment that got out of hand? It's never really been covered all that much.
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I think a paradox would be the only fitting origin for the Borg.
Some time-travel experiment ****ing up and transporting a dozen damaged drones back into the past where their nanoprobes go nuts and start infecting everything on the planet the drones time-crashed on.
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the cause cannot be the effect. if i could, all matter of weird things would pop up everywhere. a giant pink space puppy should exist, because it traveled back in time and became it's past self.
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My head hurts :(
Well the good thing is that at least they won't move my Wednesday showing.
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Originally posted by Carl
the cause cannot be the effect. if i could, all matter of weird things would pop up everywhere. a giant pink space puppy should exist, because it traveled back in time and became it's past self.
That's why it's a paradox.
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What's with all this alternate universe stuff? What's MIrror, Mirror? Was that a book or an episode of some show? Can you give details to someone who knows nothing about it.
I remember about alternate universes was a DS9 where they met themselves in another universe but everything was different. Like the red-headed chick with the thing on the bridge of her nose was bad in the other universe. Is that the mirror, mirror episode? Can elaborate the story, pweese?
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In a TOS episode called Mirror, Mirror, Kirk-n-Spock had a transporter accident during an ion storm or some-such and ended up in a universe where everyone had beards and was evil.
Thanks to their tampering, the Terran Imperium or whatever it was called collapsed because Mirror-Spock started preaching the same 'we love peace' message the non-mirror Spock did. Everyone saw him as being weak and the Mirror-Human Race was conquered by a Klingon-Cardassian Alliance. This is the same Alliance encountered by Sisko and co in DS9.
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So what I saw in that DS9 episode was actually the future of the same timeline as that spock/kirk episode? Was there an enterprise in that kirk/spock episode?
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Yes. That's why all the DS9 episodes about it are called Shattered Mirror and Through The Looking Glass (The Emperor's New Cloak is the exception).
Everything was the same except everyone was evil, the Federation was called something different and everyone had beards.
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Now everything u been saying makes sense :D
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This can probably explain it even better than my awesome summarising:
(http://www.decipher.com/startrek/cardlists/mirrormirror/images/firstofficerspock.gif)
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you... frighten me...
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What? It's a real card from the Star Trek: Customizable Card Game.
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lol, at first I thought you made it. But the fact that you have it is what scares me.
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"The path to hell is paved with good intentions." (This is in reference to the post saying Archer seems to nice to spawn the Terran Empire)
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Originally posted by J3Vr6
lol, at first I thought you made it. But the fact that you have it is what scares me.
It's on their site.
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Finally saw this episode - I cannot get over how good a mere Star Trek series is becoming. I hope they can keep it up - after the Xindi they do have the whole temporal cold war to return to.
That battle was very reminiscient of the First Contact battle. Technology nowadays - sheesh!
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They've still got to deal with the Suliban. But with the new photons, engine mods they picked up in E^2, their mastery of the transporter and the MACO's, they'll probably be able to kick the goddamn crap outta the Suliban now.
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somehow this whole mess has got to get related back to the Suliban.
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I hope we don't see the last of the Xindi in season 3. Their technology is far cooler than any other race's right now (well, perhaps apart from the Tholians). And I think the reptilians have been the best-looking humanoid aliens we've seen in ST.
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OOOOOOOH!!! I forgot about those people.. aren't they from the pilot episode/1st season?
whatever ever happened to them...
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Well the last time we saw them or shadowy figure dude(tm) was when they told Archer that the Xindi attacked Earth at the end of the second season.
I'm surprised that they didn't show up this season at all, especially since they've had an episode with the Vulcans and Andorians.
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They've had multiple episodes with the Andorians. Maybe it's the blue skin, but Andorians have been my favorite ST race since TOS.
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Breen, man. The Breen kick ass.
Everyone was like "Well, they use cloaks and old disruptors. And they've got crappy organic tech in their vessels. Other than that they're just another filler-race".
Then the Breen were all "NYOGCHOPVF-RUKNTCHOM", suddenly they're the most powerful race in the quadrant. They're the Dominion's main ally and have a weapon so tactically and strategically powerful that they could've kicked the Federation's ass singlehandedly.
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Enlighten me, I missed 99% of the Dominion War.
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In Strange Bedfellows right near the end of Season 7 of DS9, the Breen sign up with the Dominion. Turns out the little coolant-suit wearing weirdos have a homeworld that, contrary to popular belief, isn't a frozen wasteland, but is infact quite nice. No-one knows why they wear the coolant suits though, they wouldn't even tell the Dominion.
Anyway, their ships are generally small and ****ty, probably a little less powerful than similar Fed vessels, but they've all got these big energy-dampening weapon things that hit a ship and completely drain all its power. Shields, weapons, engines, warp-core, everything dies. Then they use their ****ty photons to just pound the crippled derelicts into space-dust.
Thanks to the Breen, the Dominion absolutely massacred the Fed-Klingon-Romulan fleet when they retook Chintoka. That was the battle where the original Defiant was destroyed.
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And the only reason why the combine fed/rom/klin alliance survived was because of natural selection.
One klingon ship wasn't affected by the energy dampener and survived the battle. They quickly applied the modifications to the other klingon ships which managed to hold the fort long enough for the rest of the allies to regroup.
It is of note that the Breen energy dampener is the signature weapon of the vor'cha class in Star Trek Armada.
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Yeah, I think that was just to give the Klingons a little tactical toy you could play with.