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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: J3Vr6 on May 18, 2004, 03:28:10 pm
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http://slashdot.org/articles/04/05/18/1511252.shtml?tid=129&tid=186&tid=188&tid=214
I am a happy camper, yes I am!!!!
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i need a new source of the eps :(
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As if it wasn't expected...
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Yeah if it gets moved to Friday there's probably no way for me to see it except for the re-airing at 11pm on Sunday. There's no way my girl is gonna sit thru Enterprise.
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oh man...you are so being played :)
I am just curious who picked up this commercial trick from who :D
It's a proven scenario to raise the return on commercial time
first they threaten to cancel a reasonable popular show,
than they just sit back untill the fans start to holar
then they turn around to their advertisers saying,
'look, our show is so popular this is how far people willl go to keep it aired, now pay our new prices. if you do we will reschedule it against a competing channel so viewers are forced to make a choice, which means they won't see the ads of your competitors...'
...and the advertisers pay up, the network turns around to the fans saying they won't cancel, and everyone is happy...NOT! I've seen it happen sooo many times now...
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Not really, it's simply the case that the writers made a half-decent season this time with a format that has been well-received by both fans and first time viewers. They REALLY HAVE improved it.
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I call bull****, JarC.
And I cite Farscape as an example.
And Roswell. And Brimstone. And Dead Like Me. And Good vs Evil. And Nip/Tuck. And Angel. And Jake 2.0. And Jeremiah. And Six Feet Under. And Firefly.
They just like cancelling good shows and occassionally change their mind when a big franchise like Trek and Paramount start making threats about other shows.
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Originally posted by Kazan
i need a new source of the eps :(
Keyword: NiteShdw
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Another keyword: The Junkie
There's no accounting for personal taste...
IMO Farscape was good only for the first 6 eps, after that it became a compilation of writers block and hairdragged excuses for a story, without so much as a baseline (unless you want to call Harvey's hunt for wormhole knowledge a baseline...) and then it turned it into a scifi mockup of a sitcom...yuck
what a cheap Red Dwarf imitation...
Dead Like Me? Started nice with good FX (liked the toilet seat no matter how far fetched it was) became boring after the second one, and this is comedy? moaning , groaning and continuous complaining? (sheesh, imagine having a date with such a grouchy excuse for a girl, does she even know how to smile? so, bummer, your dead? ****, enjoy it...!?)
Nip/Tuck, Good vs. Evil...~~~~ nice try though....
Angel...great show...if they'd stuck to the original backbone story line...Buffy OTOH...puleaase join 6ft under...and stay there...!
And for the record...who finances Enterprise? (now say again it ain't just a scheme to pump advertisors) it is just plain business...
and even though I enjoy Enterprise, it too is becoming repetitious, BTDT as they say...still, it's a proven formula, and T'Pol is still a real hottie ;)
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Angel woulda been salvagable in an episode or three if they'd had everyone just going "Y'know, what? **** the compromising. Let's burn this place to the ground" then calling in the Slayer Army to hunt down everyone on Wolfram & Hart's books and having Ilyria and Willow go take on the senior partners.
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...and cast a spell that somehow involves taking off their shirts.
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Ugh, I hope it doesn't end up on Friday night. Friday night basically spells doom for nearly every reasonable series... :sigh:
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Originally posted by Carl
...and cast a spell that somehow involves taking off their shirts.
Anything to get Angel topless. :D
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Was thinking Willow, Illyria, and maybe Harmony, but whatever floats your boat.
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Originally posted by JarC
IMO Farscape was good only for the first 6 eps, after that it became a compilation of writers block and hairdragged excuses for a story, without so much as a baseline (unless you want to call Harvey's hunt for wormhole knowledge a baseline...) and then it turned it into a scifi mockup of a sitcom...yuck
what a cheap Red Dwarf imitation...
:no: :doubt:
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Clearer news on this:
http://www.cinescape.com/0/editorial.asp?aff_id=0&this_cat=Television&action=page&type_id=&cat_id=270355&obj_id=41559
JarC, although in theory what you say makes sense if the advertisers were children and that easy to manipulate, you're still talking out of your ass. They were going to cancel Enterprise cuz it had one of the lowest tv ratings. I think the last time I checked it was ranked 109 or something. So it doesn't matter how many advertisers were on-line with Enterprise, if no one was watching then it wouldn't matter.
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if advertisers were willing to pay for it they'd run it even if no one was watching, rateings is what advertisers look at.
"...if the advertisers were children and that easy to manipulate..."
you poor naive fool...
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How am I a poor naive fool? Advertisers aren't gonna pay for a show that's not being watched. Like u said, if advertisers were willing to pay then they'd put the show on no matter what. But how do advertisers know if they wanna pay those prices? By looking at the ratings. Why do u think the SuperBowl pulls in $1.5 million 30 second commercials? That comment from Jarc saying that they're doing it to "trick" the advertisers into thinking it's a hit show would only work if the advertisers were 8 years old and talking about ice cream.
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Originally posted by an0n
And Six Feet Under.
They canceled Six Feet Under? Oh my ****ing god! I'd rather see Enterprise cancelled.
Of course, given that Enterprise has yet to produce a truly entertaining episode à la Farscape or a truly deep, meaningful and emotional episode, à la Babylon 5, I wouldn't really care anyway.
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I think they said it was 'on hiatus'.
But when they put Jake 2.0 on hiatus the Executive Producer, David Greenwalt, said: "To say we're on hiatus is about the same as saying that O.J. and Nicole Simpson are having a trial separation."
So for all intents and purposes: Hiatus = Cancelled.
Mind, Jake 2.0 was UPN and Six Feet Under is HBO, so their definitions may be somewhat different.
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I never liked 2.0 for some reason. The only one I liked was the one with Lee Majors as a guest star. Lee Majors = The ORIGINAL Six Million Dollar Man.
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Originally posted by J3Vr6
That comment from Jarc saying that they're doing it to "trick" the advertisers into thinking it's a hit show would only work if the advertisers were 8 years old and talking about ice cream.
read again then coz that is not what I said...the 'trick' is played on the fanbase, and when their reactions come in to 'rescue' the show, the networks have an extra weighted argument to get more for advertising time, and as optional bonus for the advertiser, the show is reslotted against a competing show...put Enterprise against Fire Fly...guess who wins...meanwhile leaving the fanbase thinking their actions 'saved the show'
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that's not very far fetched - sounds like business thinking
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Though Enterprise seems to get better, I wouldn't like it to stay.
Specially, I still think is not "Star Trek" at all.
Anyway, Trek sells. That's enough for Viacom to keep it showing or not.
As long as it keeps selling..........
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Originally posted by Kazan
that's not very far fetched - sounds like business thinking
That seems to be exactly what he was describing. The concept of manipulating viewers and advertisers to do what you want them to do.
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Anyone else find it funny that the company which owns Star Trek also owns MTV?
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Not really. Moderately curious if anything.
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I love how in that episode where there are those Xindi in Detroit 100 years in the past, Archer has, in regular "Enterprise" time, the line "...they've been there for 3 months already!" :lol:
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Star Trek: Enterprise has been renewed for Season 4! Star Trek: Enterprise will be moving from its current seat on Wednesday nights to Friday nights at 9:00 pm.
This is from http://www.saveenterprise.com/ so um.. w00t for renewal but looks like I won't get to see much of season 4. Friday night = bad... very very bad... :blah: :(
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Originally posted by Ulala
Friday night = bad... very very bad... :blah: :(
Isn't this where shows go to die? Or is Friday a big night for TV?
At any rate, I won't be able to watch it at 9pm unless I sedate my girl and lock her in a trunk for an hour...
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Did it mention what time on friday nights?
If it's 9:00e/8:00c, it's going up against both SG-1 and JAG. If it's at 8:00e/7:00c, it's vs. Andromeda. So it's a win/win situation. I watch JAG at 8:00 because SG-1 is repeated at 10:00, and I watch Andromeda on WGN on Sunday evenings(they are a week ahead of Sci Fi).
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OFFICIALNESS!!!!
http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/news/article/5218.html
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Why does Enterprise have the total *****spot on the network? Why is Eve out placing it? wtf is Kevin Hill?
And Friday night at 9 for me means that it's competing with DS9 reruns, which sucks, because I haven't seen the entirety of DS9.
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Friday night is bad for everyone. If you're not busy watching something else, you're probably out with your friends or family or girlfriends or whatever.. for me, there is no such thing as Friday night tv cause I'm always busy Friday night. If they leave Enterprise on Friday night, it will get cancelled, I'm almost nearly certain. So many other great shows have gotten the axe before actually getting cancelled.. that axe is Friday night. This'll probably be the last nail in the coffin for Enterprise. :sigh:
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But wouldn't people recording the episode on their VCR or whatever count in the Neilsen ratings?
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yeah, but only he hard core is going to do that
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Oh. Shame they can't count P2P downloads - the series would skyrocket methinks. ;)
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Plus, they show reruns of the episodes on Sundays. It depends on where you live, but they re-air for me at 11pm Sundays.
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At 11 pm Sundays I'm sleeping cause I've got school the next day.. doh. :doubt:
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you know there's got to be some way they can make money off of p2p, maybe have a little advertisement window or something that floats on top of everything in the top of your screen while you download or something, or maybe if the enodes kept the comercals. there has to be some way to make this profitable for them.
I have yet to watch a single eppisode while it was airing on UPN, I'm never home at the times they run it, I desperately want to watch it during it's airing, but I'm not a neailson home so I guess it doesn't matter.
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If I was a TV network, I'd have the episodes for download as a streaming video with the commercials. Rewind possible, but no fast forward.
That'd seriously boost ratings as you could prove you have solid downloads from all over.
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Originally posted by Ulala
Friday night is bad for everyone. If you're not busy watching something else, you're probably out with your friends or family or girlfriends or whatever..
i think the card they're playing is that most trekkies don't have girlfriends or get out much.
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Personally, I don't think the move to Friday is what is going to hurt Enterprise, but it's having the show on at the same time as StarGate SG-1 that will. On the bright side since StarGate is repeated, it might not be that big of a problem.
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Yey! Stargate's going to get cancelled because TV execs are dicks! :doubt:
****ing cock-smokers.
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Originally posted by Carl
i think the card they're playing is that most trekkies don't have girlfriends or get out much.[/B]
Gotcha.. but I have girlfriends and get out much!! (<--- not bragging) :sigh: oh well..
Originally posted by an0n
Yey! Stargate's going to get cancelled because TV execs are dicks! :doubt:
I wouldn't be surprised if Enterprise got cancelled before SG-1. I swear, Friday night is cursed.
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It seemed to work for X-Files.
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Wasn't it on Sunday nights for the longest, and then got moved to Friday for the last season?
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Originally posted by Carl
It seemed to work for X-Files.
Yeah, but X-files was getting retarded anyway. It started out with Mulder and Scully investigating bigfoot and ended up that every bloody event was linked to the damn black-cancer aliens.
And in the UK they started off showing it at like 9pm Fridays for the first few seasons, which did well. Then they switched to Thursdays. Then it started getting stupid around season 7 and they put it on at 11pm on Wednesdays, then Tuesday, then Sunday, then Midnight. And it just kept jumping around every few weeks till everyone stopped watching.