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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Flipside on May 24, 2004, 03:53:00 pm
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http://news.yahoo.com/fc?tmpl=fc&cid=34&in=business&cat=alternative_energy
Am I reading this right?
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I think they've had this technology around for a while now, I've never really understood why no one has taken advantage of it yet.
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Farmers have been putting it in their tractors for years. **** knows how I know that
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He does? So like, are you and Dubya on a first name basis? Cause he sure seems to know alot about you.
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LOL I think, somehow the **** begins with F rather than B ;)
I wonder why this isn't made public knowledge, say, at driving school?
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[color=66ff00]I remember reading somewhere that the fossil fuel multinationals have pressurised governments to hinder the takeup of alternative energy technologies.
Unfortunately I can't remember where I read it. :doubt:
Brazil uses a large percentage of it's sugar crop to create alcohol which is used to fuel cars IIRC.
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Originally posted by Flipside
LOL I think, somehow the **** begins with F rather than B ;)
I wonder why this isn't made public knowledge, say, at driving school?
Diesel engines need very little if any work done to run vegetable oil, however the costs work out to more than buying diesel from a petrol station so it's hardly worth it. LPG conversions are far less expensive to run.
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This is old news. Doesn't get through due to two reasons:
1.) Laughing gas is expelled in the exhaust fumes, making it worse for the environment than common fuel.
2.) [color=00FF00]Fossil fuel multinationals have pressurised governments to hinder the takeup of alternative energy technologies. [/color]
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Originally posted by Lightspeed
1.) Laughing gas is expelled in the exhaust fumes, making it worse for the environment than common fuel.
Makes rubber-tube-exhaust suicides more interesting then.
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Really old news.
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Originally posted by Lightspeed
This is old news. Doesn't get through due to two reasons:
1.) Laughing gas is expelled in the exhaust fumes, making it worse for the environment than common fuel.
2.) [color=00FF00]Fossil fuel multinationals have pressurised governments to hinder the takeup of alternative energy technologies. [/color]
i was thinking number 2 also, but then i remembered big oil and the media don't get along very well, so it's probably more number 1. you see, Veggie Oil works in most engines already, so all you need is the media to repost on the 1337ness of veggie oil and people everywhere will use it.
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I doubt that nitrous oxide is released when it's made properly. Anyway, anyone can make this, assuming they have a bit of vegetable oil, some strong chemicals, and a bit of patience. One of my friends is even making it for a science project.
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But they dont have as much money as current fuel multinationals. They dont stand the slightest chance. As long as there's raw oil left (and as long as its cheap enough) we will be forced to use it.
That's the way the economy works. Heck, in today's world we could get rid of all dentists, as there are other solutions without the need of any special treatment. It would be more comfortable, cheaper, and healthier for all. But people don't want to lose their work, do they?
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they've been using it for a while. It's the problem that vegetable oil is more expensive than gasoline (even at these abominable rates.... a buck a litre, kiss my ass!)
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Laughing gas = fun. Who wouldn't want that as a byproduct of their car?
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Bio-Diesel.
OLD.
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In France, we've had buses runing on beetroot and colza ( couldn't find the english word ) oil for years. But it's only public transports as far as I know. I should add that it might be ecological, but if you're next to it, it smells awful :p
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Originally posted by Nico
In France, we've had buses runing on beetroot and colza ( couldn't find the english word ) oil for years. But it's only public transports as far as I know. I should add that it might be ecological, but if you're next to it, it smells awful :p
so does Unleaded fuel.. it smells like fart.:p
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I remember seeing an experiment in Top Gear with vegitable oil and a disel car.
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Problem with fuels derived from plants is that plants take a while to grow, if everyone switched over at the same time the crops wouldnt last long
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Well, duinno about the States, but in France, there's litteraly thousnads of kilometsr wide of colza crops. Sure, that would not be able to follow the dayly use of one country, but I'm sure that developped on a world-wide scale, this would not pale in comparison with the dayly petrol extraction.
Problem is, the world would be smelly :p ( colza buses stink, pb is, colza fields stink too :p ).
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Aye but what are we going to eat?
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Coal.
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Originally posted by Lightspeed
1.) Laughing gas is expelled in the exhaust fumes, making it worse for the environment than common fuel.
well at least the world would be a happier place :D
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Originally posted by Gank
Problem with fuels derived from plants is that plants take a while to grow, if everyone switched over at the same time the crops wouldnt last long
Did you forget that the US has a truly massive amount of land that the government pays the farmers not to farm, so as not to ruin crop prices?
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Looks like a use for all the genetically modified Rapeseed they grow in Argentina to me, it'd help the economy and increase employment, which would be great. Not that it would ever be allowed to happen that way :(
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Originally posted by Stealth
well at least the world would be a happier place :D
It wouldnt. It makes you sleepy and causes long term damage to your body. That's about all it does :p
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Originally posted by Grey Wolf 2009
Did you forget that the US has a truly massive amount of land that the government pays the farmers not to farm, so as not to ruin crop prices?
No I didnt, if you converted the entire landmass of the US into growing solely biofuel products it wouldnt cover the amount of oil the US imports, about 25% of world production and rising.
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monopolizing bastards.
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they need to IMPLEMENT a car that runs primarily on water... i don't care if they've already designed one... i want to be able to go to autozone or o'reillys and buy a water-carburetor :D
damn that would be sweet ;) i get 6-7 miles per gallon at the moment. and i have a 25 gallon tank :shaking: :blah: :ick:
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6-7 miles per gallon? What the **** do you drive, an abrams tank?
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I'm sure most American cars do 6-7mpg with the amount and cheapness of fuel they consume
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American cars = fuel eating monsters.
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LOL Well, no offence to Stealth, but I like the fact the complaint wasn't so much about the fuel efficiency, but the size of the fuel tank ;)
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Stealth - lesson here son, the British refine cars to perform and thus get more mpg. The Americans attach another few carbs and wonder why the mileage drops. :lol:
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lol Flipside. yeah, well actually my complaint was against fuel efficiency (6-7 mpg) AND the size of the tank (25 gallons) is MASSIVE. it took me $45.00 to fill up two days ago!!! *shudders*
yeah, the next car i buy is definately going to be an import. american cars produce brute power. import cars are all about fuel efficiency (for the most part). and fuel efficiency is getting more and more important with gas prices on the rise ;)
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6-7 miles per gallon is considered bad. it's considered very bad. even with a 368c.i. engine, and a 6000 pound car :-/
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A three ton car with a 6 litre engine. shakes head.
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6-7 mpg? What are you running? A V12? A V6 gets at least 20mpg, and a V4 gets 30+.
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I've never seen the point of buying a car that can go 250 kilometers per hour when the sign by the roadway says max: 80 on it. I mean, sure, speed a little. but going 250 downa a road with other traffic? your signing your own death warrant.
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Only 48mph? Seems quite low. I thought about 100km/h was the standard speed limit in countries that used the metric system.
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A three ton car with a 6 litre engine. shakes head.
that was fairly necessary, back when fuel-injection wasn't put in cars :P although i wish i had a v6 :(
6-7 mpg? What are you running? A V12? A V6 gets at least 20mpg, and a V4 gets 30+.
yeah that's why i said it's considered bad ;) even for a car that weighs 6000+ lbs and has a 368c.i. V8, like mine. also, you can't judge just on the engine size. it depends what type engine, and what the engine's pulling. i mean obviously a carbureted engine's going to be less efficient than a fuel-injected engine of the same size.
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My car gets about 17 mpg. More when it's on the highway but less just driving around town.
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it's lower on the highways in Edmonton. We only have like two roads where you can go 100+
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Originally posted by Grey Wolf 2009
Only 48mph? Seems quite low. I thought about 100km/h was the standard speed limit in countries that used the metric system.
France: 50 km/h in city
90 km/h on normal roads
130 km/h on highways
I don't know what's the consumption of my car, I don't talk in gallons :doubt:( gallons, miles, pounds, you love to do everything differently, right? :p How come you use hours? :wtf: )
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How come you use hours? :wtf: Compared to what.. meters/minute? :wtf:
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They tried metric hours. It was just stupid, though, so it was never implemented. Something like 20 hours a day (10 in each half), and 100 minutes an hour.
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Err... :wtf:
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that's like one day and a quarter. mess everyone up
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Solution to US fuel problem, change it to the Norwegian gas prices.
1 litre = 1.5$
Sure you would get tons of people *****ing about it, but it would probably cut down on some of the fuel usage :p
and then again, maybe not but you never know.
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it will be a bad day when the quickest, most efficient way to get anywhere on four wheels is a skateboard
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i'm considering cutting a hole in the bottom of my car, so to conserve gas, i can occasionally just stick my feet through and run, like fred flintstone
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Heh heh... your calves must be the size of cement blocks then, just to get it going to 20
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So, if America only pays say, half as much as everyone else does for their Gasoline, then do you guys do the same things as us, but just don't cry about the cost? Or do you not have any gasoline-powered fun?
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Originally posted by Knight Templar
So, if America only pays say, half as much as everyone else does for their Gasoline, then do you guys do the same things as us, but just don't cry about the cost? Or do you not have any gasoline-powered fun?
Oh sure, there are plenty of 18+ people here with BMW's who more or less cruise around and just have "gasoline-powered-fun".
Sure everyone over whines about the prices, but it's not like they can do anything about it, the prices for the gasoline you have in the US would be considered pretty ****ing cheap for us weird Norwegian people (blames the government).
Myself, I'm not planning on getting a car (not in the near future anyways) mainly due to the sheer cost of getting one, and the insurance alone could bankrupt anyone who hasn't that big of an income.
And ofcourse it pollutes, so I'm content with letting others do the driving or the occasional *gasp* actually walking *gasp* :D
*looks up*
Alright I'm done ranting :D
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I would love to not own a car. But there is NO other way for me to get around (in a reasonable amount of time). The local town is 10 miles away and my job is 30.
I do know some people (local hippies) that make their own fuel. Kinda cool.
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Originally posted by ubermetroid
I do know some people (local hippies) that make their own fuel. Kinda cool.
i'll bet it's kinda illegal too :P
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You can run diesels on cooking oil iirc
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Originally posted by Stealth
i'll bet it's kinda illegal too :P
Not really. Well not in my area anyway. I live in Santa Cruz (CA, Bay Area) home of the hippies world wide. Everything liberal here is ok. Even Pot (medical reasons of course).