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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: J3Vr6 on June 18, 2004, 10:30:28 am
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Graphic footage of iraqi getting shot while attempting to fire an RPG.
http://members.cox.net/dm79/iraqi%20shot%20650%20frames.mpg
EDIT: Link posted back up. This is GRAPHIC. If you're a lightweight, don't cry about it in the forums if you looked at the video.
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great
a snuff movie.. :blah:
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so were showing movies of people dieing now, nice
well I guess that's what you get when you hold up a rocket launcher in a military zone
eh, you might think about editing your post to at the least warn people that it shows a man getting killed in a rather close shot, some people might be emotionaly scared from watching stuff like that, and the rest of us just plain don't expect to have that stuff comeing in unanaounced
so now, what is the back story for this
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Originally posted by Bobboau
so were showing movies of people dieing now, nice
Please, how is this any different from the apache footage?
well I guess that's what you get when you hold up a rocket launcher in a military zone
eh, you might think about editing your post to at the least warn people that it shows a man getting killed in a rather close shot, some people might be emotionaly scared from watching stuff like that, and the rest of us just plain don't expect to have that stuff comeing in unanaounced
Done.
so now, what is the back story for this [/B]
Um, there was a guy and he was trying to fire an rpg so they took him out. That pretty much sums it up.
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as I recall the apache footage got a lot of flack as well, but the diference would be there each person was a glowing three or four pixels, you couldn't for example see the expression on there faces when they died, hell you could barely tell they had arms, this is a lot more clear. but it's got the disclaimer now, so there are no more real objections from me.
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But it's still irrelevant to the board in general. If people want to see stuff like this they know what websites to go to.
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Greaaatt....
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I am not about to watch this.
If I want war footage, I know where to find it. Is there any reason to post it? The Apache video was a debating issue because of the questionable reasons for opening fire. From what I read here, this is just a guy getting killed. Is there any discussion behind it, or just 'oh, ah, this is terrrible/great. And now on to the weather from Bob.'?
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Ok ok ok, I'll put my tail between my legs then. I was trying to bring the realism of what was happening over there to your desktop.
If u guys wanna lock this, then by all means do so.
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Chicken.
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Meh, people always act tough and say they'll kick ass in the military. And brag about killing the 'sandniggers' or nuking the entire middle-East, but when someone shows them a video of one of those so-called 'sandniggers' being shot they moan and scream.
Typical.
(Not aimed at everyone here but those at who it is aimed know it)
Though it still doesn't belong on a gaming forum. I agree with that.
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I guess I agree, but then does politics or religion belong on a gaming forum?
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They don't belong either. Notice the thread wasn't locked. ;)
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Well, it's people choice to download or not, and look at it this way, absolutely no-one knows how many people may have died a far slower and more horrible death if he had pulled the trigger. Who knows where he was aiming, after all, it doesn't seem to matter if you kill a few civilians to get an American soldier.
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Or if you kill a few dozen civilians to get an Iraqi soldier.
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Well if u guys want the link back then say so. If not, you guys missed a lit bit of a reality check.
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People see more violent and graphical deaths every day on movies and TV. This is real, it was recored during wartime, and it's a fact of life. Just because the guy actually died here doesn't make it different from all the flying blood, brains and gore we see almost everyday on uncensored broadcasts and theaters.
If you don't like it, don't watch it. That's my opinon, at least.
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Originally posted by Styxx
If you don't like it, don't watch it. That's my opinon, at least.
I couldn't agree more. I'm fed up with all these people *****ing about violence on TV. It's very simple, if you don't like what you see, stop looking.
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Originally posted by Petrarch of the VBB
Or if you kill a few dozen to civilians to get an Iraqi soldier.
True dat ;)
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Tiara:
You may remember I'm joining up (those super-liminal Navy ads got me). Now I've seen a video of a chap getting sprayed with an AK and, if you insisted, I'd watch this. I just don't want to if I don't have to 'cos it's not pretty. Just like I hope I won't have to kill anyone in the line of duty unless it's the absolute last resort. Now this attitude got Stryke all worked up I recall, but The RN has a saying - a warship that goes out on patrol and returns without firing its guns in anger has done its job
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Originally posted by kasperl
I am not about to watch this.
If I want war footage, I know where to find it. Is there any reason to post it? The Apache video was a debating issue because of the questionable reasons for opening fire. From what I read here, this is just a guy getting killed. Is there any discussion behind it, or just 'oh, ah, this is terrrible/great. And now on to the weather from Bob.'?
...... he is pointing an RPG at somebody.
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Well I put the link back up. You guys can fight about it all you want. Again, don't cry if you're a lightweight and watch it.
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Still don't see the reason for posting it, if it's such an everyday thing, as people are saying.
Why not post a video of someone boiling a kettle?
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We've had wierder topics :)
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Originally posted by Petrarch of the VBB
Still don't see the reason for posting it, if it's such an everyday thing, as people are saying.
Yes, it is happening frequently (maybe not everyday) in Iraq. And it is a good reality check for some people who only see death counts as statistics and nothing else. Besides, there's no reason for politics or religion threads either, still people keep posting them.
;)
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Besides, if all we chatted about was computer games, I think I'd get pretty bored pretty quickly ;)
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Good call. Let's discuss boobies - I like big 'uns :nod:
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here here. :)
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Saw vid, nothing truly outstanding.
Tits, lets get some tits...
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Originally posted by diamondgeezer
Good call. Let's discuss boobies - I like big 'uns :nod:
Yes big b00bies are g00d!
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Now THAT's a video I'd download ;) hehehehehe
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Originally posted by Darkage
Yes big b00bies are g00d!
You could send me some more of those pics. ;) ;7
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That guy got pwnd
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boobs = teh rock
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Oo; Really isn't that gory. Don't see what all the fuss is about. Maybe I'm just desensitized from my years of violent video games and movies.
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I stopped reacting to visible human violence and harm after I first used the public school bathroom...
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And here it comes again.
We can watch a video of a person getting shot in the head, but we're not allowed to watch a woman show us her breasts?
Thank whatever god(s) you believe in that hypocrisy isn't lethal.
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Tits are immoral, violence isn't :p
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Originally posted by delta_7890
Oo; Really isn't that gory. Don't see what all the fuss is about. Maybe I'm just desensitized from my years of violent video games and movies.
:wtf:
Yes you are...
It's really sad to see all the voilence in the world and it's even more sad to see people like yourself say stuff like that...
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I still wanna see some tits.
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Vyper, try this (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,24293.0.html) thread :)
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Originally posted by Darkage
Yes big b00bies are g00d!
[color=66ff00]I like the small, hand sized ones.
Anyhow, I decided not to watch the murder; I don't believe it would make me change my mind about the whole affair.
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Originally posted by Maeglamor
[color=66ff00]the murder[/color]
It's not a murder, it's a pacification :rolleyes: .
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the guy was holding up an RPG, pointing it at something I don't think that qualifys this as a murder.
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I'd feel more comfortable about it if I knew what he was holding it up at... also why he was crouching in the middle of a street. If I knew there were enemy troops in the area I wouldn't crouch and prepare to fire in plain sight.
Point is - I'm not saying he wasn't trying to kill someone else. I'm saying that what's left out could change the circumstances.
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Watched that clip,I can only say Iraq is war zone
that soldier did only eliminate his targer
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[color=66ff00]There's not a lot of point playing it down to make it seem less horrible.
Anyhow, dictionary:
mur·der ( P ) Pronunciation Key (mûrdr)
n.
1. The unlawful killing of one human by another, especially with premeditated malice.
2. Slang. Something that is very uncomfortable, difficult, or hazardous: The rush hour traffic is murder.
3. A flock of crows. See Synonyms at flock1.
I would assume that this killing would not be seen as lawful (it is a war afterall) and was premeditated as the person who shot him was ordered to 'kill the enemy'.
I'm just using the term that seems most appropriate for the event.
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Yes, it was a flock of crows! He was aiming at a flock of damned crows! He was attempting murder!!!
:p:D
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[color=66ff00]Well he might have been aiming into traffic...
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Originally posted by Kalfireth
I'd feel more comfortable about it if I knew what he was holding it up at... also why he was crouching in the middle of a street. If I knew there were enemy troops in the area I wouldn't crouch and prepare to fire in plain sight.
Point is - I'm not saying he wasn't trying to kill someone else. I'm saying that what's left out could change the circumstances.
He was probably crouched so he could have better balance/aim when firing the rocket.
Maeg: Watch the damn video before you choose to be so judgemental on the situation. He's aiming an RPG at something. You expect the troops to wait until he fires to see if he has good intentions or not? Yeah, he was killed, and that sucks, but he's holding a goddamned RPG.
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You lot have derailed a perfectly good discussion on boobies. I hope you're happy
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Meh, I see them every day :p
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I envy you so much it's untrue. You just have to look down...
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LOL I do to, though I must admit, I'm not sure how long I'd survive if I thought about looking at more ;)
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Originally posted by Knight Templar
Maeg: Watch the damn video before you choose to be so judgemental on the situation. He's aiming an RPG at something. You expect the troops to wait until he fires to see if he has good intentions or not? Yeah, he was killed, and that sucks, but he's holding a goddamned RPG.
[color=66FF00]I never made any suggestiomn that any of it was good or bad other than the fundamental level where any loss of life for any cause is bad.
I'm confused; do you and Bob think I'm taking someone's side here? I most definately am not.
As for the troops waiting; that's not exactly a sensible argument, a person with an RPG has nothing but bad intentions. If it's my use of the word murder then I'm also confused as it seems to me to be the best word to fit, not for any moral reason but simply that it describes what happened.
What's your beef?
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I've always wondered about the phrase 'unlawful killing', because it begs a juxtapostition of 'lawful killing', and therefore a whole set of cirumstances in which taking someones life can be 'justified'.
It is Murder, it's Murder to prevent Murder. Not an easy word to use, I know, and that doesn't make the people who killed him bad. But it does not make the act any less than it is. It is just sad that it always seems to boil down to blood on the streets, and the people least involved being the most disrupted. A whole country filled with murder from one border to the opposite, and not the only one at the moment :(
You always believe that your own generation is going to learn from the mistakes of the last one, and yet we always go boldly forth and compound them.
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it isn't murder if you are killing to save life, it is murder if your killing to take life, the killing sown was not murder becase the guy killed was aiming an RPG at someone, had the man not been killed then one or more other people would hae died as consequence of the innaction.
"think I'm taking someone's side here" I do beleive you were the first person to use the word murder to describe the video, as you may be aware the word murder has a certan negitive conotation with it, calling the act murder immpys that the people fireing were murderers, and calling someone a murderer is generaly takeing a side.
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Originally posted by Bobboau
it isn't murder if you are killing to save life, it is murder if your killing to take life, the killing sown was not murder becase the guy killed was aiming an RPG at someone, had the man not been killed then one or more other people would hae died as consequence of the innaction.
"think I'm taking someone's side here" I do beleive you were the first person to use the word murder to describe the video, as you may be aware the word murder has a certan negitive conotation with it, calling the act murder immpys that the people fireing were murderers, and calling someone a murderer is generaly takeing a side.
[color=66ff00]Even though I stated the dictionary description of the term?
Of course it has a negative connotation, I'm very very sure the guy pointing the RPG would have issues with someone attempting to kill him just because he is attempting to fight for what he believes in (saving the lives of his comrades). As it has been stated before and I ask anyone to argue against it:
In war there are no innocents.
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if he'd have killed a bunch of US troops I'd have likely called the act a killing."(saving the lives of his comrades)"
unless he was shooting at random Iraqi people in the street in fact becase it's a war zone, just about anyone he kills wouldn't be murder. though these (the guys with guns in Iraq, blowing up car bombs and the like) people generaly do kill random Iraqis in the street, and as far as I can tell it seems like it's somewhat intentional, wich is why I don't go after people for calling them muderers.
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Calling it murder is my beef, for the reasons Bob stated. Sure, you can describe war as a loss of innocence for the people fighting it, but I don't think that makes soldiers murderers. Not in the way you would use the word murder to describe someone in everyday life. Killing some lady in her house beacuse you don't like her, or want to steal her money is murder. Shooting a resistance fighter who has an RPG pointed at your base/convoy/platoon/you is defense. If you want to through around murder in a setting of war, use it on Commanders, who kill civilians, not the soldiers who are forced to carry out their day to day orders and/or defending themselves.
Originally posted by Tiara
Meh, I see them every day :p
I think I officially don't like you. That's just not fair. :doubt:
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Go to brazil, change fate :p
Btw, I too fail to see what this has to do on a gamers forum. That's just extreme.
To keep on with the boobs idea, from now on I expect myself to be able to post a link to... hmm... an anal porn movie ( with the warnings and all of course ) and not being censored, for exemple.
We can see heads being blown away, so why not being able to see asses being blown away too? :p
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His own dam fault.
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Well, the question isn't so much 'Should you shoot at someone who is on the opposing side in a warzone and holding an RPG?' as 'Should you post a video of it on a gaming forum'.
Hey, if this leads to boobies, I'm fine with it ;)
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See, now you're talking my style. :yes:
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*looks down*
*looks up and grins*
*walks off*
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And you people wonder why both her legs were broken.
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Originally posted by Knight Templar
And you people wonder why both her legs were broken.
And you're wondering why I'm saying both your legs will be broken soon...
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:blah: @ this post...
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[q]You just have to look down...[/q]
[q]LOL I do to, though I must admit, I'm not sure how long I'd survive if I thought about looking at more[/q]
:wtf: