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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Flipside on June 21, 2004, 02:14:35 pm
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If you could choose an old game to be given the 'SCP Treatment', i.e. have the graphics/sound and gameplay enhanced to modern standards, which game would it be?
My own choice would be Dungeon Keeper 2, with enhanced graphics and gameplay etc, I think the stupidest thing Bullfrog ever did was cancel the DK line of games :(
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Jane's ATF or Privateer 2
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MOO 3. It has awesome potential. From which maybe only 2% was used and shown.
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That's true, it's like they spent 3 years developing the planetary management interface and then 6 weeks doing the rest of it :(
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StarCraft and Space Empires IV Gold
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Originally posted by Flipside
My own choice would be Dungeon Keeper 2, with enhanced graphics and gameplay etc, I think the stupidest thing Bullfrog ever did was cancel the DK line of games :(
I loved DK games:yes: I was little bit angry when Bullfrog did Cancel DK3
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Wizards and Warriors, perhaps. or maniac mansion.
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Wing Commander Privateer 1
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Dune II.
:)
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el Factiono Rouge
and BTW, I don't think it was Bullfrog who canceled the DK series. It was the publisher, Bullfrog was disbanded and the team went on to form Lionhead and Planet Moon, the later of which has also recently shut down..
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Homeworld 1
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Phantasie I-III
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Arkanoid
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Half Life. Total Annhiliation. Carmageddon. Descent. Wing Commander Propehcy.
Probably more... but they're the main contendors.
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Starcraft, HL, Tyrian (I've actually thought about making a Tyrian mod for Freespace 2...except I can't model :p)
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Terra Nova, Fallout, Mechwarrior 3, Arhimedean Dynasty.
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oh remembered another one... Battlezone 2!!! :D
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...Pacman :p
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Originally posted by Ghostavo
StarCraft and Space Empires IV Gold
Originally posted by WMCoolmon
Starcraft, [...]
Guess what, it's Starcraft :)
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Starcraft, Homeworld.
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Tetris
*runs*
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Total Annihilation
Starsiege
Cyberstorm 2
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Ah well, StarCraft is pretty modern.
Dune II would need it more ;)
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Originally posted by diamondgeezer
Tetris
*runs*
Someone has already done it.
http://www.chroniclogic.com/demo/trpsetup.exe
Triptych, quite possibly the most addictive tetris-a-like there is. Tetris with real life physics. Mmmm.
Also, I'd like to see the original Battlezone (not arcade, the Activision one) re-done.
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Battlezone would rule with all the new stuff they put into
graphics cards since 1998
Strike Commander (i can't find my CD)
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Starcraft?
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Commander Keen!!!!!
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System Shock.
There've been a couple fan attempts, but nothing even close to completion yet.
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C&C, the original. Don't tweak the RL acted movies, the music, the units, nothing, just fix up the graphics. Mmmm. :)
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Personally, I would have gone with Red Alert. That way, we get to see Kari Wurher's cleavage in pixel-perfect high resolution.
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Starcraft, Homeworld, Tribes 2, and my personal favorite game of all time: Alice.
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RA1.
I-war 1 (especially putting in mouse support!!!)
Or maybe......Transport Tycoon 2
Protostar perhaps
or Warzone
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Originally posted by Krackers87
Starsiege
http://www.mechnex.net/
StarSiege 2845.
Originally posted by Krackers87
Cyberstorm 2
Filth, utter filth. It does not deserve to be called a sequel of Cyberstorm. If you liked CS2, get a copy of CS1. You'll then realise how horrible CS2 is.
Oh great... now I'm starting to sound like Zylonbane...
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elite!!!
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Originally posted by Lightspeed
Dune II.
:)
It kind of got it already :p
mmh, let see...
Shadow of the Horned Rat.
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Heres a blast from the past.....
http://www.geocities.com/paris/7150/zzapm1.htm
Mercenary... on the Amstrad CPC :D
Edit : No screenshots, alas, but think Elite on the ground for graphics :)
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:yes: I used to love Mercenary on my Speccy. I used to love stealing all the Palyar commanders furniture. No real reason. Just out of spite :D
Carrier Command/Hostile Waters could also use updating :)
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StarCraft is as good as it is.
My choice would be X-wing.
Originally posted by diamondgeezer
Tetris
*runs*
:lol::yes:
Originally posted by Singh
RA1.
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Transport Tycoon 2
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I still play these games. RA1 would need some graphics and controlling enhancements.
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Since when was there a Transport Tycoon 2?
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Originally posted by Petrarch of the VBB
Since when was there a Transport Tycoon 2?
is under development...
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Star Control 2.
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Originally posted by Nico
It [Dune II] kind of got it already :p
mmh, let see...
Shadow of the Horned Rat.
AFAIK all it got is some ****ty remakes (Dune 2000, Dune Emperor).
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Originally posted by Raa Tor'h
Commander Keen!!!!!
Dude, totally! I wonder what it would like in the Halo 2 engine or something. :D
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Originally posted by Setekh
How about Commander Keen in the Halo engine? :D
commander keen was made by id, so let it be the doom3 engine. at least, the dopefish would fit in then.
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Ah, true. Man, I hated the Dopefish, it ate me so many times before I could finish that level. Keen 4 was one of the best, though. :D
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Originally posted by Petrarch of the VBB
Since when was there a Transport Tycoon 2?
Transport Tycoon Deluxe, I am pretty sure Singh meant that.
Originally posted by kode
commander keen was made by id, so let it be the doom3 engine. at least, the dopefish would fit in then.
I loved Commander Keen. Too bad I never could beat it.
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Dungeon Keeper was indeed fantastic.
The rest, well, dunno.
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another game which ought to undergo the same SCP treatment...
Forced Alliance.
great story, great interface. pity few people know about it :(
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Super mario brothers :nervous:
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Originally posted by Lightspeed
AFAIK all it got is some ****ty remakes (Dune 2000, Dune Emperor).
Yeah, isn't a remake an upgrade from the original? :doubt:
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Originally posted by Lightspeed
Ah well, StarCraft is pretty modern.
*cough* 800*600@256 colors *cough*
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It plays perfect as it is, IMHO. Of course it could look be better - but it's more than good enough, and graphics arent the only thing that make a good game. Ironic that it still looks better than those modern '1337 3D' RTS games.
Dune II however, cough,
(http://dunefr.free.fr/imgs/dune2j.jpg)
See my point.
And the graphics are not even the main issue. The main thingy that dune II needs is gameplay improvements (namely: multi select units, waypoint systems, etc etc)
StarCrafts gameplay is so diverse, you can do almost EVERYTHING as it is.
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isn't that what dune 2000 did?
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Originally posted by DaBrain
*cough* 800*600@256 colors *cough*
It's 640x480.
That's good, it won't slow down when you have more than 100 units on screen.
The supply limit should be removed, though. I don't like it.
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Jane's F-15, or Secret Weapons of the Luftwaffe.
EDIT: Oh! And Mechwarrior 2 and/or 3! :D
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Originally posted by Lightspeed
StarCrafts gameplay is so diverse, you can do almost EVERYTHING as it is.
Huh? you can't win by any other way than techtree+early rush, just like any other RTS with base management.
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Originally posted by ZylonBane
System Shock.
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Originally posted by Nico
Huh? you can't win by any other way than techtree+early rush, just like any other RTS with base management.
yeah, you can. you can rush build defenses and then counter-rush.
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What about Duke Nukem 3D?
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Anyone listing any game under 5 years old is an utter graphics whore. For non-3D games, double that.
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Originally posted by Unknown Target
Secret Weapons of the Luftwaffe.
Or maybe 688 attack Sub :) I loved that game
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I thought of another one. Interstate 76.
That game was awesome.
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X-Com: UFO Defense
[Edit] Oh wait, http://www.projectxenocide.com/ I'm sure there's more.. but anyway... [/Edit]
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Originally posted by kode
yeah, you can. you can rush build defenses and then counter-rush.
Oh that's so cool. Unlimited choices indeed.
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I'd also go with Duke 3D. Now, THAT was a fun game, especially in Lan party :p
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Starsiege, Outcast, Space Empires IV Gold, MOO2, Baldur's Gate 2,
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First post after some quiet reading, but that's indeed a serious matter you guys are discussing here ;)
Anyway, after a swift sweep over my game boxes : Gunship. Too bad there are so few Helicopter sims around these days, but that's true for too many kinds of games.
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Originally posted by 01010
I thought of another one. Interstate 76.
That game was awesome.
they made a sequal, interstate '82 but i never played it. but yea that game rocked!. i still have my copy, but i couldnt get it to run anymore.
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Originally posted by ZylonBane
Anyone listing any game under 5 years old is an utter graphics whore. For non-3D games, double that.
I refuse myself being that. :) I mainly thought of Duke 3D because it lacked in sufficent mouse support. It's like a lazy car: you cannot normally control it with a mouse.
Originally posted by mitac
First post after some quiet reading, but that's indeed a serious matter you guys are discussing here ;)
Anyway, after a swift sweep over my game boxes : Gunship. Too bad there are so few Helicopter sims around these days, but that's true for too many kinds of games.
:welcome:
Some words for you:
The exits are to your left and right. Flamethrowers are under your seats, but they are sometimes filled with water. If this occurs, please check the lockers for the old shotguns.
Stay away from the admin's weapon lockers and the air vents. If you see a large, insectoid-looking creature inhabiting the latter, throw him a large piece of meat (preferably not yourself), and he will leave you alone.
Thank you and have a nice day!
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Thank you, Topace. I'll see that I'm not fed to any beasts around here. :D
Just another thought that hit me under the shower this morning : Paradroid. A truly great game.
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Originally posted by karajorma
...Hostile Waters could also use updating :)
Darn you, beat me to it!
Originally posted by Ulala
X-Com: UFO Defense
[Edit] Oh wait, http://www.projectxenocide.com/ I'm sure there's more.. but anyway... [/Edit]
Yeah, darn you, too. :p
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Originally posted by mitac
Just another thought that hit me under the shower this morning : Paradroid. A truly great game.
Quazatron was better in my opinion :) But yeah it was a fun game :)
Ranarama was the best of the action with little logic puzzles to get new equipment type games though :)
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Ranarama rocked, I remember once I even bought a game-creator package (which are probably worse than programming raw code) to try and do something along similar lines on the PC. You gained runes by defeating warlocks and necromancers, and then used those runes to assemble more powerful spells :)
Never got off the ground, as I said, easier to type raw code ;)
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Paradroid, Quazatron and Ranarama. Three titles I have never heard of.
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Originally posted by TopAce
Paradroid, Quazatron and Ranarama. Three titles I have never heard of.
Paradroid. Wow, someone mentioned that title :).
Paradroid is a game for the Commodore 64. A bunch of ships full of robots got infected with some virus, you have to go destroy/take over all the robots and save the ships blah blah. The graphics are obviously dated, but it's buckets of fun.
Lemon64: Paradroid (http://www.lemon64.com/games/details.php?ID=1888)
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Star Trek: The Next Generation: A Final Unity.
And the Armadas.
Those could use a good update.
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Originally posted by TopAce
Paradroid, Quazatron and Ranarama. Three titles I have never heard of.
They're (almost) older than you are, that's why :D
Originally posted by Flipside
Ranarama rocked, I remember once I even bought a game-creator package (which are probably worse than programming raw code) to try and do something along similar lines on the PC. You gained runes by defeating warlocks and necromancers, and then used those runes to assemble more powerful spells :)
Never got off the ground, as I said, easier to type raw code ;)
I keep toying with the idea of writing a Java port :D The only thing stopping me is that you can already get a Java Spectrum emulator anyway :)
I'm glad to know I'm not the only fan of the game around. :) I copleted it on the spectrum and I have a snapshot of the time I completed twice in a row because I'd heard that if you did you got a screen where Mervyn is presented with two potion bottles and gets a chance to turn himself back to a human. Sadly I was misinformed :(
While were on about 8-bit games. Target Renegade. Best beat-em-up. Ever.
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Bugaboo the Flea
Solar Jetman
Manic Miner + Jet Set Willy
Head over Heels
:D
I played Ranarama on an Amstrad emulator recently, all I can say is my reflexes have slowed down ;)
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Originally posted by karajorma
They're (almost) older than you are, that's why :D
....
That's highly possible.
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Originally posted by Flipside
Head over Heels
I knew that sooner or later someone would mention that :)
Click me (http://retrospec.sgn.net/games.php?gamelink=63)
Couple of the others you mention should also be up there.
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hehehe Awesome!
See you in a few days ;)
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My choices?
Master of Orion (the original)
Wing Commander Privateer (also, the original)
Seems like there was another one I was going to list, but I can't remember the title now...eh, it'll come to me later.
[EDIT] Duh! Starflight. :D [/EDIT]
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Originally posted by karajorma
I knew that sooner or later someone would mention that :)
Click me (http://retrospec.sgn.net/games.php?gamelink=63)
Couple of the others you mention should also be up there.
Head over Heels is possibly the best game ever made bar none. I lost my childhood to that game and I'm not ashamed to admit it.
Also, Kode, I'm guessing you never played Interstate 82. It was damn awful and I was absolutely gutted because at the time that game was top of my most wanted for like two years.
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Originally posted by 01010
Also, Kode, I'm guessing you never played Interstate 82. It was damn awful and I was absolutely gutted because at the time that game was top of my most wanted for like two years.
You're confusing me with someone else. Other than that, no, I never played I82. Had som fun in multiplayer with I76, tho.
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No SCP treatment for Urban Assault! Now that would be an awsome project. You could actually do alot of stuff with that game the possibilities are endless. Basically the engine is beggin for an overhaul. You already can get high standard resolutions and if treated right could be a great mod IMHO.
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Haven't heard of Quazatron or Ranarama, either. But there was some kind of "upgrade" for Paradroid on the Amiga, called "Paradroid '90". You can imagine how old the original is, if the remake is from 1990...
A Final Unity was great, too, wonder if it works on XP. Should give it a try, since my copy is still catching dust.
Something else worth to mention : Alpha Centauri with updated graphics, though they're still okay. That would rock. :cool:
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Originally posted by mitac
Haven't heard of Quazatron or Ranarama, either. But there was some kind of "upgrade" for Paradroid on the Amiga, called "Paradroid '90". You can imagine how old the original is, if the remake is from 1990...
Played it. Wasn't hugely impressed. It looked much better but it was somehow sort of hollow with none of the fun of the original.
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Originally posted by TopAce
I loved Commander Keen. Too bad I never could beat it.
Some of Keen was quite difficult, but I managed to finish all six episodes. Which one did you have trouble with?
Originally posted by mitac
First post after some quiet reading, but that's indeed a serious matter you guys are discussing here ;)
Anyway, after a swift sweep over my game boxes : Gunship. Too bad there are so few Helicopter sims around these days, but that's true for too many kinds of games.
Hey, mitac! Welcome to HLP. As for Gunship, dude - I empathise, that game absolutely rocked. (I have the original box and manual for Gunship 2000 still on my shelf.) Love that game.
:welcome:
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Thanks, Setekh. :)
Had that one, too. But I gave it to a guy in my class, from whom I never got it back. :(
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Shame. :( I have spent entire years of my life playing that game (especially trying to master the Blackhawk, that beast of a helicopter). I also notice you mentioned Alpha Centauri above - you have impeccable taste. :D Unfortunately, I wanted to find the expansion pack but it was never popular enough for my local game stores to order it in. :o
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Same for me, that expansion was difficult to find when in was published, and now it's virtually impossible. Sure is a nice game.
Personally, I liked the Apache most. Suprise, surprise. And I hardly remember the other machines, it's been years since i played that - for obvious reason.
BTW, talking of good games : it makes me happy that Sid Meier is working on a sequel to Pirates. That'll cost me months of my life if it's only half as good as the original.
Anyway, time to go to bed. Good night, folks.
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Originally posted by mitac
First post after some quiet reading, but that's indeed a serious matter you guys are discussing here ;)
Anyway, after a swift sweep over my game boxes : Gunship. Too bad there are so few Helicopter sims around these days, but that's true for too many kinds of games.
If they're gonna remake a copter sim, they should re-do Jane's AH-64 Longbow II.
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Hmmm... Mechwarrior 3 with higher poly models and terrain, and basically just more eye candy would be awesome. And if they made graphics and level design more detailed in Deus Ex 1 that would rock as well. DX is a great game, but the graphics are pretty sucky.
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Empire Earth the models looked horrible but had some nice 3d terrain.... or my first option Urban Assault..... yeah you could say Im obsessed with Urban Assault!!!! What? Whats my favorite game? Urban Assault..... Heh...... just take a moment to think of this on how a Sulugar Queen would look in todays 3d engines.... :shaking: ;7 URBAN ASSAULT !!!!! *yells at the top of his voice* All shall play and be addicted!!!! Ha ha ha ha ha....... :nervous: Ummmm sorry got carried away there....... excuse me.....
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Originally posted by Lightspeed
AFAIK all it got is some ****ty remakes (Dune 2000, Dune Emperor).
Emperor did have fantastically good soundtrack.
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Originally posted by Ghostavo
oh remembered another one... Battlezone 2!!! :D
BZ2 rocks. I just wish I could play it. :(
Quake2.
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That's the homepage for the new "Pirates" : click here (http://www.atari.com/pirates/pirates/home.php?lg=2)
I'm really excited of this. Sid Meier's games have been brilliant in the past.
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No kidding. I spent a few hours playing Civ 3 at my friend's house, once - they had to drag me kicking and screaming from the keyboard. ;)
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I used to love 'Pirates' the original by Microprose, pity it was so buggy :( I'd love it if someone did that with full 3D acceleration etc during the ship battles.
I've played a few attempts at copies, but they never matched up :(
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Originally posted by kode
You're confusing me with someone else. Other than that, no, I never played I82. Had som fun in multiplayer with I76, tho.
Oh yeah, sorry, my bad. Kode, Nuke, four letter words and beer and forums do not mix.
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Just take a look at the link I posted up there, Flipside. :D That's what we've been waiting for.
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I predict this thread will be in the 'One year ago at HLP' section.
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Urban Assault is still open.....
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Originally posted by mitac
Same for me, that expansion was difficult to find when in was published, and now it's virtually impossible. Sure is a nice game.
Personally, I liked the Apache most. Suprise, surprise. And I hardly remember the other machines, it's been years since i played that - for obvious reason.
Yeah, the longbow was the best, coz in that game, it was all about biggest payload. I remember I was overexited when I finally got the comanche, went "d'huh" when I saw the lower payload, then WTF when I realized the thing had such a high turn rate it was unflyable :p ( 360° in 2 seconds chrono :p ). Went back to my invincble longbow+"fly at two feet from the ground so enemies would never hit you" combo :p
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Originally posted by TopAce
I predict this thread will be in the 'One year ago at HLP' section.
BACKSPACE! BACKSPACE! BACKSPACE! The Euro 2004 thread is longer.
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Has anybody mentioned Tie-Fighter yet?
BACKSPACE! BACKSPACE! BACKSPACE! The Euro 2004 thread is longer.
Ah, we'll see, the Euro (and I don't mean the currency :D) doesn't last forever, yet there're always some classic games worth wasting a memory of two. ;)
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It's not about how big it is, it's about what you do with it ;)