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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Turnsky on June 30, 2004, 05:29:55 am
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for shoddy work, etc.. don't count politicians, 'cause we all know that they should be shot:p
i'll kick this off..
the graphic "designer" who made this:
(http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0001BKAEY.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg)
should be shot several times..
i still can't believe somebody got paid for it.:hopping:
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Are you sure this thread will survive?
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Linda Barker
http://www.reallylindabarker.co.uk/ - you can smell the (rancid) cheese from here
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Tax evaders.
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Originally posted by TopAce
Are you sure this thread will survive?
who knows...
but, my reasons for this... well... it's amateur.. simply put..it's just four photos put together, really.. no actual forthought into design whatsover, if they /had/ no other choice, they coulda at least made it so the join lines weren't aparrent so it all meshed together.
personally, i coulda done better.:doubt:
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Bush
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nah, he should be shaved :P
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Junkies.
Goddamn, mother****ing, self-righteous junkies.
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Those who cancelled "B5: Into the Fire" should be shot.
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don't worry fury, we're cooler then they are
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Originally posted by Turnsky
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(http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0001BKAEY.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg)
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I must see this film!
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Originally posted by Turnsky
for shoddy work, etc.. don't count politicians, 'cause we all know that they should be shot:p
i'll kick this off..
the graphic "designer" who made this:
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0001BKAEY.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg
Sooooo....where are your game/dvd covers?
at least he or she is payed for his/her work...don't remember having seen your name beneath any of this stuf ever...
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Originally posted by JarC
Sooooo....where are your game/dvd covers?
at least he or she is payed for his/her work...don't remember having seen your name beneath any of this stuf ever...
If you could have made it yourself, it's generally not worth hiring a pro to do it. I could have made that DVD cover in about (literally) 5 minutes. Hence, not really a professional job.
Hell, you could make that in MS Paint.
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It's just copy/paste, lather and repeat :p
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Originally posted by JarC
Sooooo....where are your game/dvd covers?
at least he or she is payed for his/her work...don't remember having seen your name beneath any of this stuf ever...
lemme put it this way...
http://foxfire.keenspace.com/
http://turnsky.deviantart.com/
http://users.bigpond.net.au/Turnsky/images/matrixlight1280.jpg
i know that to get something to look halfway decent, you have to put some effort and some thought to...
like aldo said, it could be done by anybody with some knowledge of any image editing programs in less that 10 minutes.
that cover, shows a severe lack of imagination :nod:
Originally posted by Tiara
It's just copy/paste, lather and repeat :p
and there's the rub.. somebody got paid to do that sorta thing..
i wish i got paid for just opening up an image editor, and going "Ctrl+C" :p then again, i've got dignity.;)
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I like this.
http://users.bigpond.net.au/Turnsky/images/matrixlight1280.jpg
:lol:
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Originally posted by Turnsky
i wish i got paid for just opening up an image editor, and going "Ctrl+C" :p then again, i've got dignity.;)
Seriously, screw dignity if your getting paid to do that ;)
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Originally posted by Tiara
Seriously, screw dignity if your getting paid to do that ;)
good point:p
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Turnsky, I totally agree. I was kinda surprised to see that cover in the local KMart... could've done way cooler than that. Especially with the graphics they had in the rest of the movie. :p
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Another person to shoot
David Dickinson -
appropriately enough having the word 'dick' in his second name, this man is a cross between an elderly David Hasselhoff and a tin of cuprinol woodstain. Worse still, he's responsible for the never ending avalanche of bargain boot sale hunt programs the BBC inflicts on us each lunchtime, where we get to see a bunch of bored middle england nitwits lose license-payers money trying to flog off cheap tat they found in their cupboard / auction house / boot sale / sock drawer / parents grave.
http://www.david-dickinson.net/
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Originally posted by Setekh
Turnsky, I totally agree. I was kinda surprised to see that cover in the local KMart... could've done way cooler than that. Especially with the graphics they had in the rest of the movie. :p
Anyone, could've done better. My little brother even could if he had a pencil and a piece of paper. :doubt: At least it'd be artistic and not copy/paste work.
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Aww, I love that one with the matrix turning into HLP! :D
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Everyone here except me... :nod:
Oh yeah, and Goober... :p
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Originally posted by .::Tin Can::.
Everyone here except me... :nod:
Oh yeah, and Goober... :p
Seriously, if you don't like it here, why do you persist?
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He was kiddin', look at the :nod: smiley. If he really hated us, he would have put a :blah: or :no: or any other negative ones there.
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Originally posted by Turnsky
for shoddy work, etc.. don't count politicians, 'cause we all know that they should be shot:p
i'll kick this off..
the graphic "designer" who made this:
(http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0001BKAEY.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg)
should be shot several times..
i still can't believe somebody got paid for it.:hopping:
Maybe it was some sound engineer who made it in a rush cause they dont really care about their cover as the name sells itself now. I bet they didnt even pay anyone to do this really, prolly something they just slapped on and released, just to satsify the seething crowds.
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Originally posted by TopAce
He was kiddin', look at the :nod: smiley. If he really hated us, he would have put a :blah: or :no: or any other negative ones there.
No, given the recent tantrums from the guy and his complete lack of rationality, I don't think he is/was. I don't care per se, but I'm just curious as to why someone would keep coming here if they don't enjoy it.
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The people who made the last movie should be shot.
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Courtney Cox
Britney Spears
Jarjar Binks, even though he doesn't exist, we should genetically manufacture him so that we can shoot him.
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Senior Cardgage... :drevil:
Link (http://www.homestarrunner.com/senormortgage.html)
Link2 (http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail92.html)
Marshie...
Link (http://www.homestarrunner.com/marshie.html)
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George Lucas, for making Episodes I & II so ****ty.
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I don't think the Matrix boxart is that bad actually. Sure, it could have been better, but its not ugly to look at. The Matrix (original) DVD cover was the best of the series IHMO.
Though I have to admit, considering that they (Warner and the Wachowskis) had almost unlimited resources at their disposale, they could have done better than this.
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It's ugly to look at if you know how much effort was put into it. You simply can't appreciate a piece of art if you know 5 minutes was spent making it.
Another person that should be shot: Bryan Nesbitt. Why? Because he designed that piece of crap called the PT Cruiser.
*plagues this thread* (http://www.autointell.net/nao_companies/daimlerchrysler/chrysler/pt-cruiser/PTdesigner-40-01.jpg)
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The Scion is worse. Though ther PT cruiser has always reminded me of the car that carries the coffin at funeral procession, I don't know the techinical term for it.
Yeah, considering how much effort went into everything else, the cover is kind of a let down. There are thousands of studios all around the world who could do better in an hour. Four boxes - not very creative.
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Yes, it does look a bit like a Hearse, or possibly you could paint it black and go as some kind of economy version of ZZ Tops?
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The TNT executives who cancelled Crusade. They cancelled it right when it was starting to get good!!
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(http://www.ananova.com/images/web/41027.jpg)
Do I really have to explain why? (Apart from the fact that he can't even do a proper thumbs-down! :D)
EDIT: Actually, don't shoot him. Keelhaul him, then flay him with barbed wire....
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Originally posted by Turnsky
that cover, shows a severe lack of imagination :nod:
So what's wrong with that? It reflects the movie quite well IMO. :D
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Originally posted by Sandwich
So what's wrong with that? It reflects the movie quite well IMO. :D
Yeah :p Besidees the first movie (which should've been the only one IMO) the others were truly awfull :ick:
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Originally posted by pyro-manic
*Picture of Satan*
Do I really have to explain why? (Apart from the fact that he can't even do a proper thumbs-down! :D)
EDIT: Actually, don't shoot him. Keelhaul him, then flay him with barbed wire....
Agreed. I'm still waiting for the first heartbroken teenage hopeful to commit suicide and directly name him in the obligitory letter.
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Originally posted by pyro-manic
http://www.ananova.com/images/web/41027.jpg
Do I really have to explain why? (Apart from the fact that he can't even do a proper thumbs-down! :D)
EDIT: Actually, don't shoot him. Keelhaul him, then flay him with barbed wire....
Good call. That man is, indeed, a wanker.
Also add Pete Waterman, for inflicting so many ****e pop groups on us. And, for similar crimes against humanity, every person involved in the creation, production, taping, distribution, etc of every wannabe pop star show in the world, ever. And the contestants.
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heres a few and reasons why:
microsoft employees - well duh
environmentalists - so what if our spiecies destroys itself, its what it deserves anyway
executives at american record companies - for letting the europeans get ahead of us in the area of death/black metal
bible thumpers - i f***ing hate them
the people wh run the fcc - for not letting companies jack up dialup speeds
management - for blatant disrespect of the working man
my cat - for meowing too much
the people that cannceled bevis and butt head - uhh huh huh he said head
legalized drug dealers (aka doctors) - for making people weak with an endless array of prozac and pain killers
ad designers - for reasons already mentioned
vegetarians - for discriminating against plant life
and can we use flame throwers please, i want to watch them suffer :D
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Originally posted by 01010
No, given the recent tantrums from the guy and his complete lack of rationality, I don't think he is/was. I don't care per se, but I'm just curious as to why someone would keep coming here if they don't enjoy it.
I really was kidding, you jerk... :nod:
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Originally posted by Nuke
bible thumpers - i f***ing hate them
What are they?
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religious fundamentalists, specifically Christians, who insist that every aspect of life be lived according to the Bible...basically they're just morons.
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Although I am a christian, I follow life by what it gives me, and at the same time follow the bible's morals... not necessarily how I am supposed to live life...
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Well, Bible Bashers are anyone who knocks at people houses and asks them if they have ever thought of bringing God into their lives.
I usually tell them that he can pay rent like every other bugger.
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Originally posted by Flipside
I usually tell them that he can pay rent like every other bugger.
If I were a landlord I'd call on my right to refuse any tenant. Including that selfrightious 'thing' called God. :p
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dick advocaat
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look man, you haven't paid your rent in 2 months! sorry, but I'm going to have to evict you. No, I only take money. No, I don't want to live forever in bliss, what I want is my $1300. Oooh, big man, you think I can't take you?! Hey, look at that pretty light-
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Darkage needs to be shot with a crate of beer.
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Originally posted by Flipside
I usually tell them that he can pay rent like every other bugger.
When Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses or other bible thumpers approach the door of a friend of my GF [i don't remember hte girls name] she promptly gets naked to answer the door.
According to blair this friend of her's is pretty enough to stop traffic.
Evil, pure unrefined totally awesome evil :D
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Originally posted by pyro-manic
(http://www.ananova.com/images/web/41027.jpg)
Do I really have to explain why? (Apart from the fact that he can't even do a proper thumbs-down! :D)
EDIT: Actually, don't shoot him. Keelhaul him, then flay him with barbed wire....
If there was anyone that ever made me want to cut his teeth out with a jagged razorblade, it's this ****.
Kill him.
Let it not be said that I am a man of apathy. I'm very passionate in my hatred of this wanker and would love nothing more than to see him wiped off the face of the planet.
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Originally posted by Kazan
When Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses or other bible thumpers approach the door of a friend of my GF [i don't remember hte girls name] she promptly gets naked to answer the door.
According to blair this friend of her's is pretty enough to stop traffic.
Evil, pure unrefined totally awesome evil :D
Cool. Although I suspect it encourages them..........
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ROFLMAO!! Now if an attractive totally naked female was knocking at my door asking me about God, I think religion would be a lot more fun ;)
Edit : Admittedly, if Sharon found out, I'd soon learn whether they were right or not :D
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aldo_14: nope.. they stopped coming to her place
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Kazan, give me her address. I am a Mormon and I feel compelled to convert this woman. In person obviously.
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I'm proud to live according to the bible. No matter what has happened I always feel like I have filled that emptyness inside me and it feels great, no matter what happens. Kazan, it is wrong to try to teach something they have no intention of learning, 100% agree.
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jdjtcagle: the xians [btw the church started that abbrev over 1000 years ago] who try to impose their beliefs on others are the ones that piss us off
but the whole lot of you are [by definition] irrational
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:) and it's ok...
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no, basing your worldview off irrationality is patently dangerous
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Originally posted by Kazan
no, basing your worldview off irrationality is patently dangerous
When it is pushed to the extremes I agree. But this isn't a religous thread. So leave it.
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LOL I just thought of another one...
Jeremy Beadle, anyone in the UK will know of this obnoxious sneering little turd who hosted one of those 'prank TV' shows. These were the first 'Reality TV' shows, and quite frankly, we should have figured it out from there and not gone any further.
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Kazan, dangerous?? :lol:
its dangerous to be a christian?
I'm not getting into a debate.
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Originally posted by Kazan
jdjtcagle: the xians [btw the church started that abbrev over 1000 years ago] who try to impose their beliefs on others are the ones that piss us off
but the whole lot of you are [by definition] irrational
Then why the hell did you put me in charge of the Ferrium AI?
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No its not. What they believe is up to them, and affects only them. If Person A realizes that his beliefs are his alone and does not force them on others or perform actions which people who do not subscribe to his beliefs would find unpleasant, its perfectly alright.
Every person is spiritual. Whether that spirituality manifests itself in the form of organized religion or something else, thats a minor point.
Humans beings are fundamentally irrational beings. How can you explain that every single culture in all of human history has gods, rituals - a religion. The quest for meaning is present in all individuals, you could even say that that is our prupose an sentient beings.
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HotSnoj: i don't descriminate - and Mike [who hasn't jumped on the board yet] is in charge - i was considering putting you in charge if he didn't have the time
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Originally posted by Kazan
no, basing your worldview off irrationality is patently dangerous
We're not getting into this, again, now are we?
Perhaps we could make a 'Kazan and Nietsche chill here' thread, or better yet a subforum (preferrably locked, and sealed), where he could live out his angst.
Would it help if I said that people who raise the same arguments, that have been debated upteen times in completely unrelated thread should be shot, would that help.
I'll go calm down now.
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Rictor: i am in NO WAY spiritual - there is not a single spiritual neuron in my brain.
Humans are inherently irrational - and yet they can learn to overcome their irrationality and think rationally. Sadly most of the population never does achieve complete rationality - they always compartmentalize
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Either nothing is sacred or everything is. I prefer the latter personally ;)
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Originally posted by Kazan
HotSnoj: i don't descriminate - and Mike [who hasn't jumped on the board yet] is in charge - i was considering putting you in charge if he didn't have the time
I figured that much after that one post someplace here.
*goes back to whatever the heck he was doing*
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l always found complete rationality a bit, well, boring.
Can we go back to finding innovative ways to torture people, please? It's so much more agreeable......
EDIT: I don't think spirituality necesarlly implies religion - just a desire to understand who and what we are. i.e. something which is explored as much through science and philosophy.
Certainly, that's how I've always regarded it - it may not be the correct dictionary definition, but that's because religion was initially the only way to try to understand this.
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One of the reason why I don't see it as irrational.
Over 1,000 prophecies in the bible.
And it has NEVER been wrong once!
Ok lets stop this discussion really...
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Originally posted by Kazan
Rictor: i am in NO WAY spiritual - there is not a single spiritual neuron in my brain.
Humans are inherently irrational - and yet they can learn to overcome their irrationality and think rationally. Sadly most of the population never does achieve complete rationality - they always compartmentalize
Apparently, you haven't yet learned that. Or give me one rational reason, why you should bring a two-year-old topic, that has been debated in a 1200 post thread no less up again
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always found complete rationality a bit, well, boring.
Can we go back to finding innovative ways to torture people, please? It's so much more agreeable......
Heh, watch Big Brother for 20 minutes, it still goes on......
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Originally posted by jdjtcagle
I'm proud to live according to the bible. No matter what has happened I always feel like I have filled that emptyness inside me and it feels great, no matter what happens. Kazan, it is wrong to try to teach something they have no intention of learning, 100% agree.
Food also fills the emptiness inside. A Big Mac is cheaper than tithing. Then you could exercise afterwards and get an athlete's rush as well as a feeling of self-satisfaction. ;)
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Originally posted by Stunaep
Apparently, you haven't yet learned that. Or give me one rational reason, why you should bring a two-year-old topic, that has been debated in a 1200 post thread no less up again
Very good point.
Back to shooting ppl, ppl.
(http://nodewar.penguinbomb.com/aotd/Turnsky/bang.jpg)
'Nuff said.
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Stunaep: People basing their view of reality of irrationality causes them to be unable to be trusted to make rational decisions for others. Their refusal to acknowledge evidencially supported reality and attempts to impose their views upon others (including the indoctrination of children before those children are capapble of rational thought - which is quite effectively brainwashing) is patently dangerous.
If someone doesn't have the facts about reality they cannot be trusted to make a good decision about reality. Furthermore authoritarian views of morality and black-and-white thinking are patenly dangerous: reality is not black and white and morals only work properly by social contract
Religion once served our species a purpose in bringing small groups togeather - now it is tearing us apart, most major wars in the history of mankind can be traced down to differenecs of religion, followed by territorial expansionism.
If they had less of a propensity to indoctrinate children who cannot think for thesmelves and had less of a propensity to attempt to impose their views on others I would have a higher propensity to tolerate them
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Originally posted by Ace
Food also fills the emptiness inside. A Big Mac is cheaper than tithing. Then you could exercise afterwards and get an athlete's rush as well as a feeling of self-satisfaction. ;)
big Macs just make you hungry, though.
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Originally posted by Kazan
Stunaep: People basing their view of reality of irrationality causes them to be unable to be trusted to make rational decisions for others. Their refusal to acknowledge evidencially supported reality and attempts to impose their views upon others (including the indoctrination of children before those children are capapble of rational thought - which is quite effectively brainwashing) is patently dangerous.
If someone doesn't have the facts about reality they cannot be trusted to make a good decision about reality. Furthermore authoritarian views of morality and black-and-white thinking are patenly dangerous: reality is not black and white and morals only work properly by social contract
Religion once served our species a purpose in bringing small groups togeather - now it is tearing us apart, most major wars in the history of mankind can be traced down to differenecs of religion, followed by territorial expansionism.
If they had less of a propensity to indoctrinate children who cannot think for thesmelves and had less of a propensity to attempt to impose their views on others I would have a higher propensity to tolerate them
And, yet you didn't answer my question. How appropriate.
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I don't feel like reading through this whole thread, however:
(http://www.freemoneytopayyourbills.com/starpaybills-img/leskonov_2.gif)
Anyone who has seen his commercials should understand why
"Get free money from the government!" :nod: I love how he has to point out that it's legal too.
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:lol: :lol: :lol:
Anyway, on the side note of religion...
Debating religion and bashing it is stupid... it goes to show how much free time people have...
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That twat who does the adverts for E-sure.
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Originally posted by Nuke
bible thumpers - i f***ing hate them
Originally posted by Rictor
religious fundamentalists, specifically Christians, who insist that every aspect of life be lived according to the Bible...basically they're just morons.
Assholes, unless they constantly harass you to switch or follow their religion there is no reason to warrant this.
Heres an idea of who should be shot: Biggots
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Heres an idea of who should be shot: Biggots
Good luck finding enough bullets.
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:nervous: it's happening again omg it's happening again...
i agree with you guys simon deserves to be shot!
and i could see some low self asteemed kid killing themselves just because of this dude, too.
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Kazan, by continually critiscizing religion in this forum, you show an obsession with it. And an obsession is by the very definition irrational.
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Religion would prevent me chasing skirt so flagrantly. Nuff said there.
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Grey Wolf 2009:
nonseness - a consistent and thorough opposition to something which threatens the survival of our species is neither an obsession nor irrational
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Will you knock it off!! If you want to discuss this please go back to that "1200 post thread". If not YOU people are the ones that should be SHOT! :mad:
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Originally posted by Krackers87
Assholes, unless they constantly harass you to switch or follow their religion there is no reason to warrant this.
Heres an idea of who should be shot: Biggots
you see this is why i dont like bible thumpers, they are too quick to judge. by bible thupers i mean the zealots. and yes they do constantly harrass me to convert. even as i write this message sme church calls and asks me to go to there service, forcing me to put the phone in my very active subwoofer port. every 2 or 3 weeks another chistian walks up to me with their bible and preaches. and when i send them away they say "yr gonna go to hell". ive never met a buddist who told me that id be reincarnated as an earth worm when i said i did not share his faith. youre beliefs are for you, you should keep them to yourself. and besides a true christain wouldnt be in the people who should be shot thread wishing people were dead, weather they be bigots or not.
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i think the last fundie that came to my place was about a year ago. if they come i'll tell them to get lost and then smack them with the butt of my rifle
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Kazan, you know my views on this. But look, give it a break, for your own good. You are brilliantly intelligent, you take your ethics and rights seriously, and those are wonderful things. But your inability to get along with people who disagree with you reflects terribly on you. For your own sake, leave this thread and go cool off. We'll use the hammer if we have to.
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OMg go to a different thread!!!
edit: i should take my time and press the refresh button!
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*surprised how long this thread has become.*
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Originally posted by beatspete
That twat who does the adverts for E-sure.
Ironically Michael Winner has gone from directing Death Wish to having a death wish. :D
Speaking of him I found this a while back.
http://money.guardian.co.uk/insurance_/motor/story/0,1456,981782,00.html
The acting profession is up in arms about esure's refusal to offer them motor cover because of their job. Their anger follows the revelation last week in Capital Letters that esure refused to cover a musician from Kent with over 40 years of safe driving because of his occupation.
And other readers are not happy. "Your Kent reader had his motor insurance application rejected by esure because he is a musician. And esure says it does not cover people in arts, entertainment and broadcasting because it fears major claims for personal injury damages. In that case, why is esure's advertising campaign fronted by Michael Winner who assures us that he is just the kind of driver they are looking for?," says Robin Murtough from Guildford.
"If esure has waived its rules for Mr Winner, surely it must live in dread of some starlet being hurled into orbit through his windscreen," he adds.
How ironic is the idea of a man advertising insurance for a company that would refuse him if he walked in off the street. :D
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Piers Morgan.
In fact, add to that any reporter / editor of the Sun, Mirror, Daily Express, etc.
And Robert Kilroy-Silk. What an insufferably smug arsehole that man is - a (failed) chat show host who once sat on a guest.
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Look, don't bother shooting politicians. I've got a better idea.
Put them all on a boat and fire Maggie Thatcher at it.
We can't just topedo it, or Peter Mandleson'll come back.
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Originally posted by Sandwich
So what's wrong with that? It reflects the movie quite well IMO. :D
:lol:
it woulda been good if they didn't "twink" out the final battle..
it reminded me of Dragonball Z, only without the constipated looks;)
now, if a little more thought was put into actually making the movies, not whether or not you'd make a profit from the first ones, then the other movies woulda been a whole lot different IMO..
they woulda been longer coming out.. but hey
the fact that at every turn, i half expected neo to go "Excellent" and play air-guitar for a second.. oh, and the machine city, whilst in those bloody glowy parts "i'm walking on sunshine" came to mind :p
lessee, who else shout have lead pills?...
well, we can't shoot interplay, they're dieing..
Sierra (in response to the B5: into the fire post) is effectively being gutted by vivendi universial (don't worry, HL2's still on tracK)..
the creators of the game "breed" need to be shot
why?
-Is a halo Ripoff, and a lame one at that
-The game is WAY too freaking short.(it doesn't even have a proper ending for pete's sake!)
-and a waste of time.
y'know, i should write my own game reviews.:p
and, if you read my first post, don't count politicians ;)
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the entire executive base of the following publishing houses: Interplay, EA, Eidos, THQ.
PC gaming is in decline guys, and its being replaces by hiphop street-racing Britney Spears console games that appeal to 12 year olds who think 2Fast 2Furious is a masterpiece and who wouldn't know a good game if it bit them in the ass.
And the publishers are catering to it, and making money hand over fist. Remember when there was a debate a few years ago whether or no games are art? Ha, what a joke. At the time, it might have been true, but what we're seeing in the games industry right now relfects whats happening in the music industry and to the entertainment industry, and that is that what is being produces is cookie-cutter, mass market bull****.
All we have is our memories. You think there's going to be a new System Shock, a new Fallout, a new Baldur's Gate? Ha! Not likely, and if there is, they will be XBox exclusive and will be dumbed for a 10 year old. And lets not forget the pop-culture references. Or street racing. Or dating. Or just about anything the most powerful consumer force in North America - 12 to 17 years olds - wants, which is usually bull****.
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Originally posted by Rictor
the entire executive base of the following publishing houses: Interplay, EA, Eidos, THQ.
PC gaming is in decline guys, and its being replaces by hiphop street-racing Britney Spears console games that appeal to 12 year olds who think 2Fast 2Furious is a masterpiece and who wouldn't know a good game if it bit them in the ass.
And the publishers are catering to it, and making money hand over fist. Remember when there was a debate a few years ago whether or no games are art? Ha, what a joke. At the time, it might have been true, but what we're seeing in the games industry right now relfects whats happening in the music industry and to the entertainment industry, and that is that what is being produces is cookie-cutter, mass market bull****.
All we have is our memories. You think there's going to be a new System Shock, a new Fallout, a new Baldur's Gate? Ha! Not likely, and if there is, they will be XBox exclusive and will be dumbed for a 10 year old. And lets not forget the pop-culture references. Or street racing. Or dating. Or just about anything the most powerful consumer force in North America - 12 to 17 years olds - wants, which is usually bull****.
i think ID software and Valve might have something to say about that.
but yeah.. but the trend won't bend towards that forever, hell.. i've read that review to that "singles" game... it got abysmal ratings..
so when most developers see that people aren't liking those 'sort' of games, they'll hopefully change tactics.. doubtful i know..
and EA?.. they're more evil than microsoft.
as for britney, wait a couple of years, she'll go the way most ****e singers go... into the ether where she'll just be an awful memory.:p
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Originally posted by Turnsky
... into the ether where she'll just be an awful memory.:p
She's already a awful memory.
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:lol: A recurring one at that....
More to add to the list:
Avril Lavigne, for being ****e.
Ditto Linkin Park, Limp Bizkit, and all the other bollocks that the American music industry pumps out and calls "rock".
Ooh, and these bastards too. "We mime to 3-powerchord songs we didn't write, on guitars that are worth more than we are! We're sooooo punk rock!!"
Wankers.
(http://www.ianmeesonphotography.com/images/busted.jpg)
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who are they? perhaps we should kill all that pop-punk garbage as well
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Them's Busted. They're bloody awful. They're the ones who did the theme song for the new Thunderbirds movie. They're hideous beyond words. Waaay worse than Avril and her ilk....
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Linkin Park? They aren't half bad, what's your beef with them?
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Originally posted by Rictor
All we have is our memories. You think there's going to be a new System Shock, a new Fallout, a new Baldur's Gate? Ha! Not likely, and if there is, they will be XBox exclusive and will be dumbed for a 10 year old. And lets not forget the pop-culture references. Or street racing. Or dating. Or just about anything the most powerful consumer force in North America - 12 to 17 years olds - wants, which is usually bull****.
You realize every single Bioware game contains references to pop culture, right? Baldur's Gate, for instance, referenced the show "Newhart" with a few random NPCs. One of the books in Neverwinter Nights referenced the excellent French comic book series, Asterix the Gaul.
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People who should be shot:
The inventor of the oversensitive car-alarm
Whoever decided "Britney's Hot Dance Crap" would perform so much better than FS3
The entire EverQuest community
Whoever came up with 'l33t, teh, r0xor, etc'
The 'Happy Days' staff writer who made Fonzie jump over a shark
Kato Kaelin
Jeff Gillooly
The producers of "Hard Copy" for subjecting me to 2 years of "Tonya Harding Tales"
Whatever nitwits decided that I truly need 30-some 'reality' shows on TV instead of a great new batch of awesome Sci-Fi shows. Who around here wouldn't want to see a new Star Trek show pick up the primetime Wednesday spot on NBC?
'Frankie' from 'The Real World - San Diego'
Myself for watching 'The Real World - San Diego'
Neal Horsely - Founder of the "Nuremberg Files" anti-abortion website
Maynard James Keenan and other assorted 'teen-angst-turned-messiah' morons.
The 'grunge' movement
The creator of the Brussels Sprout
All spammers. One at a time. With very dull bullets.
The next person that says an 'All Your Base Are Belong To Us' joke to me.
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SPAM!
f00!!!1 Maynard James Keenan is t3h l33t r0x0r!!!1 J00 are a suX0r f4gg0t!!!1 All your base are belong to us!!!1
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Originally posted by Knight Templar
Linkin Park? They aren't half bad, what's your beef with them?
I have no personal quarrel with them. What I hate is the way that millions of people think of them as the be-all and end-all of rock, who put a message across in their music, and worship them as gods, when there are patently so many much, much better bands about (even in America!). It's the fault of the music industry, and the gullible retards who buy their singles because they're told it's "cool".
I don't like their music much, 'cos it's rather commercial and generic. They have some talent (the singer has a decent voice, and I'm sure the guitarists have more ability than they show at the moment), so there's no reason why they couldn't record some bloody good songs, but they have to stop whoring themselves to their label first. Same goes for Evanescence - great singer, good potential for great music, but they have to do better than drop-D powerchords generic songs.
Bleh. Heavy metal all the way for me! ;)
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The man who invented the Big red 'you have damaged' effect and the man who decided to put this into a space sim.
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Pyro, I prefer the Chemical Brother remix of One Step Closer anyway ;)
Linkin Park are a good tight band, but yes, I think too many people try to put a single band into a 'definitive' role for a kind of Music. Anyone who listened to Nirvana or Mother Love Bone will know that the 'Seattle Grunge Scene' actually went all the way from Ballads to Sub-Thrash' type music. ;)
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Originally posted by TopAce
The man who invented the Big red 'you have damaged' effect and the man who decided to put this into a space sim.
You don't like knowing when you're being shot at?
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Originally posted by Flipside
Pyro, I prefer the Chemical Brother remix of One Step Closer anyway ;)
Linkin Park are a good tight band, but yes, I think too many people try to put a single band into a 'definitive' role for a kind of Music. Anyone who listened to Nirvana or Mother Love Bone will know that the 'Seattle Grunge Scene' actually went all the way from Ballads to Sub-Thrash' type music. ;)
:lol: Haven't heard that one....
And TopAce - that's.....weird, to say the least. In the absence of force-feedback chairs, how else would you know when your ship's getting shot to bits around you? What would you rather have instead?
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Originally posted by pyro-manic
..
And TopAce - that's.....weird, to say the least. In the absence of force-feedback chairs, how else would you know when your ship's getting shot to bits around you? What would you rather have instead?
Already discussed. Pst.
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Originally posted by ionia23
The 'grunge' movement
that kurt cobain guy is a douche, he should die
oh and pyro:
Today for some reason, people are so into Linkin Park. I have to laugh, because as far as i'm concerned, they're just a boy band with one guy screaming.
-Kerry King.
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Originally posted by TopAce
the Big red 'you have damaged'
For F**ks sake TopAce. If you're going to keep saying it, at least say correctly.
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Phreak, I hate to break this to you about Kurt..... ;)
EDIT : LOL! I just remembered the thread title ;)
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Originally posted by karajorma
For F**ks sake TopAce. If you're going to keep saying it, at least say correctly.
The Big red 'you are taking damage' screen?
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Better
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Originally posted by Nuke
you see this is why i dont like bible thumpers, they are too quick to judge. by bible thupers i mean the zealots. and yes they do constantly harrass me to convert. even as i write this message sme church calls and asks me to go to there service, forcing me to put the phone in my very active subwoofer port. every 2 or 3 weeks another chistian walks up to me with their bible and preaches. and when i send them away they say "yr gonna go to hell". ive never met a buddist who told me that id be reincarnated as an earth worm when i said i did not share his faith. youre beliefs are for you, you should keep them to yourself. and besides a true christain wouldnt be in the people who should be shot thread wishing people were dead, weather they be bigots or not.
well then your obviously not a biggot nor an asshole, so, no prob..
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Originally posted by Kazan
HotSnoj: i don't descriminate - and Mike [who hasn't jumped on the board yet] is in charge - i was considering putting you in charge if he didn't have the time
Mike = Bobb != me, I presume? ;)
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Originally posted by Sandwich
Mike = Bobb != me, I presume? ;)
I have no idea what that suppose to mean.
me = JOSH;
if((Mike > me) & (Bob > me)) {
//Yes it does return true.
//Do something
}
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Someone said Avril Lavigne should be shot... why? Wouldn't you rather have her in your bed?
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Whoever invented/designed the Honda Element, and whoever invented/designed the Scion boxier more retarded looking version of the Honda Element. Seeing those on the same road as I am driving makes me want to vomit all over the inside of my car. :p
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Whoever cut Stryke's net conn. :(
:nervous:
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The guy who designed my car should receive major unpleasent treatment. I can't have been that difficult to ensure proper protection against rust. :ick:
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Whoever decided that EMA student grants are only available to second-year college students whe live in certain areas, and not across the whole country.
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Originally posted by pyro-manic
"We mime to 3-powerchord songs we didn't write, on guitars that are worth more than we are! We're sooooo punk rock!!"
Ohhhh, owww. I feel your pain, pyro... pop these days is :no:.
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Originally posted by vyper
Someone said Avril Lavigne should be shot... why? Wouldn't you rather have her in your bed?
Nah. You risk her moaning being just as annoying as her singing :D
Besides there are plenty of hotter women around.
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anyone who includes adware or spyware in their programs should have their nails ripped out, their teeth smashed in, and be forced to listen to Britney Spears and N'Sync for the rest of eternity.
And be shot.
The same goes for Bill Gates, but I cant quite put my finger on why...
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Originally posted by Jetmech Jr.
The same goes for Bill Gates, but I cant quite put my finger on why...
How about cause he's singlehandedly held back the progress of computing for 10 years?
Personally I reckon shooting is too good for him after what MS did to cancel the new Amiga.
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Originally posted by karajorma
How about cause he's singlehandedly held back the progress of computing for 10 years?
Personally I reckon shooting is too good for him after what MS did to cancel the new Amiga.
Bingo, thats it! Among other things...
Knew it had sumthing to do with PC games, but I havent slept for the past 24 hours, so im a little fuzzy as to all his sins atm.
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Originally posted by vyper
Someone said Avril Lavigne should be shot... why? Wouldn't you rather have her in your bed?
Not really. I don't like her new punk look...
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I would volley an entire salvo on my Biology teacher.
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No, he brought computing forward 10 years.
Windows has users
Mac has devotees (awesome systems, I'm not dissing them)
Linux has fanatical xenophobe zealots
Don't piss at Microsoft just because they did it bigger and better, if not first.
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Corsair: I must disagree, she's pretty hot. Make mo mistake, I don't like her for who she is or what she does, but thats not really relevant.
I also forgot to include Steve Jobs, I really do hate that bastard. He did none of the work, got all the money and fame. He was and continues to be an asshole towards Apple employees, the very people who made him rich. If I worked at Apple and he came over and disconnected my power, throwing days or weeks of my work down the drain, then proceeded to yell at me to work harder and faster, I'd hire a hitman to do humanity a favour.
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Originally posted by Rictor
I also forgot to include Steve Jobs, I really do hate that bastard. He did none of the work, got all the money and fame. He was and continues to be an asshole towards Apple employees, the very people who made him rich. If I worked at Apple and he came over and disconnected my power, throwing days or weeks of my work down the drain, then proceeded to yell at me to work harder and faster, I'd hire a hitman to do humanity a favour.
Question: I've seen "Pirates Of Silicon Valley", but I though Jobs behaviour was overdramatized. Is he really that much of a fruit-loop?
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ionia23: way to be a stereotyping ass
Microsoft may be bigger - but they did not do it better. They didn't do it first either
Xerox did it first, Apple licensed it, Microsoft Stole it
Microsoft's software is the worst crap in history - it has lowered the bar for quality accountability, it's disgustingly unacceptable. I am fighting with one of their bug's right now, it's a ****ing headache - it's a bug that should never have happened!.
Most of the bugs in windows are bugs I would have been embarassed to make 6 years ago.
Windows has users who are troubled by viruses and scams
Mac has devotees, and now it's a unix-clone
Linux has powerusers who cannot be troubled with pointless rebooting, email virus crap, security holes the size of texas or any of that other M$ drivel.
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Originally posted by ionia23
Question: I've seen "Pirates Of Silicon Valley", but I though Jobs behaviour was overdramatized. Is he really that much of a fruit-loop?
In a word: YES
One of my professors used to work for the man
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Originally posted by Kazan
ionia23: way to be a stereotyping ass
Most of the bugs in windows are bugs I would have been embarassed to make 6 years ago.
Mmm, I see. And how is your completely custom-designed operating system selling these days? Obviously, yours is so much better and bug-free too. I'm wondering where I can pick up a copy.
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Originally posted by Kazan
ionia23: way to be a stereotyping ass
Microsoft may be bigger - but they did not do it better. They didn't do it first either
Xerox did it first, Apple licensed it, Microsoft Stole it
Microsoft's software is the worst crap in history - it has lowered the bar for quality accountability, it's disgustingly unacceptable. I am fighting with one of their bug's right now, it's a ****ing headache - it's a bug that should never have happened!.
Most of the bugs in windows are bugs I would have been embarassed to make 6 years ago.
Windows has users who are troubled by viruses and scams
Mac has devotees, and now it's a unix-clone
Linux has powerusers who cannot be troubled with pointless rebooting, email virus crap, security holes the size of texas or any of that other M$ drivel.
When my games are remade for linux, then preach to me.
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Something selling doesn't mean it's the best product
There is this thing called monopoly lock. Bill Gates did one brilliant thing in his entire life: get IBM to license the operating system instead of buy it. That put him in a position to be the incumbent and now he is the incumbent monopoly.
All other major operatings systems (OSX, Linux, BSD, Solaris, etc) as unix-clones/unix-variants so porting apps between them is TRIVIAL. Windows is the "odd man out"
Furthermore how do you "sell" something that is free? You sell support, not copies.
Here's how microsoft is making out in the internet:
HTTPDs:
(http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2004/07/overallc.gif)
(bah.. i cannot find the OS one, but you can guess that more peopler are running apache/linux than apache/windows)
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Originally posted by Krackers87
When my games are remade for linux, then preach to me.
A) There are already games being made for linux (hmm UT2k3 and UT2k4 come to mind immediately)
B) More games would be made for linux when more people switch
C) Codeweavers Crossover Office and WineX gets a great number of Windows games running on linue without having to have any windblows files
D) Can you see why this is a self-defeating statement?
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Originally posted by Kazan
A) There are already games being made for linux (hmm UT2k3 and UT2k4 come to mind immediately)
B) More games would be made for linux when more people switch
C) Codeweavers Crossover Office and WineX gets a great number of Windows games running on linue without having to have any windblows files
D) Can you see why this is a self-defeating statement?
Note how i say REMADE in other words, not ported with some program, but Re-Made, like TA, Starsiege, Starcraft, etc...
And most may be alright, but i need ALL, i wont sacrifice half of my large game collection (90+) for any reason.
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A) The games I name were not "ported with some other program" or "remade" - they were made natively for windows.
Why don't you go check the Codeweavers WineX compatability lists
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[color=66ff00]ionia, I must agree with Kazan here. Cornering and constricting a market does not mean you are better than the competition at anything other than cornering and constricting.
Linux is about choice, it really is what you make it and believe me it took me a great deal of time and effort to come to this realisation, I haven't totally gone over to linux and I don't agree with kazan on distro choice (I prefer Gentoo at this point).
If I'd stuck with windows I'd be restricted to having to update and having to run certain software, I'd also end up paying the price for every little security problem inherent in the OS which means purchasing third party software to fix it in many cases. Sure linux has problems but there's an army of people out there willing to fix them, for free!
Microsoft may have a stranglehold but their grip is loosening as linux becomes more accessable to the masses, linux is gaining ground fast. There's a great community spirit to it too, not unlike freespace actually. People like to help each other and learn from each other's experiences, communism in the truest sense of the word. :nod:
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Apart from such discussions : shoot me, so I won't have a bad headache tomorrow from drinking so much.
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Pfft, I'd still prefer Workbench over Windows or Linux though.
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Originally posted by 01010
Pfft, I'd still prefer Workbench over Windows or Linux though.
:yes: You always struck me as a man of taste :D
Workbench was a perfect balance in that it was much easier to learn than Linux but didn't hold you back once you knew what you were doing.
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Originally posted by karajorma
:yes: You always struck me as a man of taste :D
Workbench was a perfect balance in that it was much easier to learn than Linux but didn't hold you back once you knew what you were doing.
It was what I cut my personal computing teeth on and I still have fond memories of it. Playing about with it on WinUae makes me realise how advanced it was for the time, especially conisdering PC's were still using DOS.
Oh and the Atari ST was a bag of wank, stupid ST fans thinking that they had a computer anywhere near as good as the Amiga.
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I know. Most people don't realise that the ST was actually built after the Amiga but cause they used off the shelf components rather than the custom chips in the Amiga they got to market first.
The result however was that the ST had worse graphics and lacked the power of AmigaOS.
The reason that ST people could argue their computer was better (or at least equal) to the Amiga was cause lots of games were written on the ST then ported. As soon as they started writing them on the Amiga first the flaws in the ST became apparent.
As for the PC comparing even the A500 against the equivalent PC of its day looks like a horrible joke. Change that to the A2000 and you really have to wonder why on Earth the Amiga wasn't more successful. Then you remember that Commodore owned them and it all becomes apparent.
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Originally posted by Mr. Fury
I like this.
http://users.bigpond.net.au/Turnsky/images/matrixlight1280.jpg
:lol:
Now that's just cool.
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Originally posted by Kazan
HTTPDs:
(http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2004/07/overallc.gif)
(bah.. i cannot find the OS one, but you can guess that more peopler are running apache/linux than apache/windows)
y'see, here's the rub, Apache's probably much easier to work with, and is more secure to use, than anything microsoft..
look, love it or hate it, microsoft /did/ help bring the personal computer to the people, and made it easier to work with than macs (making the modular computer system more widely used..
and before people start jumping on the mac bandwagon, remember this, the macs of that time were just self-contained little boxes, overpriced ones at that.
we've heard this rhetoric before, so ****ing what?
if any other OS went the same way as windows, you'd be *****ing about that instead.
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It's not so much the operating system I have problems with, when I first started in computing, the standards changed almost weekly, BASIC, FORTH (footing yourself in the shoot ;)) ,PASCAL etc etc, it's the business practices of Microsoft and the obvious subservience of the monopolies commsion/courts when it comes to dealing with them.
If MS weren't aware themselves that their product can be outdone, why do they try so hard to stamp on other products. Also, if this is the case, why don't Microsoft admit it and do something about it? Because of those self-same 'Atilla the Hun' attitudes :(
I use Windows XP, but that's not Microsofts doing, it's the companies that do not, or will not support other platforms when writing software.
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Originally posted by Turnsky
we've heard this rhetoric before, so ****ing what?
if any other OS went the same way as windows, you'd be *****ing about that instead.
I would not have been complaining about world domination by AmigaOS. :D
I wouldn't complain if Linux did it either (although I'd want a much more idiot proof version first).
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We need multiple OS's to force innovation and improvement through competition....
MS only has to innovate only because of this pressure, so the more of a market stranglehold they have, the worse it is for technology in general.
Linux could 'survive' (in terms of evolving and improving) without Windows competition, because its very nature encourages everyone to alter and work with it.
But if Linux didn't exist as a competitor, MS would never have to improvise. Technology would virtually stand still, because - even though customers would complain - they'd be no viable alternative that they could even threaten to use.
It's interesting to note that Ms has been having roadshows in the Uk to basically promote themselves and slag of Open Source - it's been covered in The Register, who noted that the promised 'open and free discussion about the benefits and disadvantages of OS' failed to actually mention the benefits....amongst other things.
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Part of the problem is, I think, that an OS is an OS, so when you are the most popular OS, you have to add Bells and Whistles to keep selling newer versions of your product. It's happened for PCs and it's pretty much happened for MACs as well. The only way out is for the users themselves to revolt, but since most people aren't even made aware there is a choice the doesn't have the word 'Windows' at the front, this is unlikely to happen :(
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NB: It's also worth noting the amount of power MS has, when you think of the number of governmental systems built on Windows technology..... that's a mssive argument for use of Open Source code right there.
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Getting back on Topics, i'd shoot Berlusconi... But on second thought, since that would make him a martyr i'll just keep on my strategy of persuading MS into buying mediaset...
*WARNING: Possible flame content below*
And about MS, they will be replaced only when someone else will make a system built around retrocompatibility... Every competitor ignored the sheer mass of old software and that made them fail... Starting with IBM with that horrible mainframe OS2 thing...
And about buggy software, there's nothing like have some product team e-mail addresses and have them semi forced to listen... When you have to deal with Microsoft you have to remember some things...
A) They are a software developer and a corporation, so if you want to persuade them into doing something you should point on the profitability side... It does wonders, while on an ethical side you might not be successfull... But this is a common thing with EVERY corporation...
B) "Microsoft sux, Linux rulez shoot Bill Gates" won't bring anyone anywhere... Like everywhere in the world constructive criticism works better... I've had a few post exchanges with Monty from xiph.org (OGG "developers"), and that way he earned my respect while kicking half of my small community butts including mine... Not so hard on the programming side but still style matters...
C) What are YOU doing in order to improve the overall software quality around maybe except installing some *nix OS and feeling cool?
D) About MS slowing the innovation i would like to invite you to visit www.microsoft.com/research and see things that belonged more to science fiction than reality... MS is not all about software and is doing great things in some fields... The IBM house thingy is a rip-off of MS projects...
E) My personal opinion is that the main problem with MS is Steve Ballmer... Though he is an excellent businessman on his own i don't share his vision of business ethics and i think few people do... That said, there is plenty of great people inside Microsoft who really cares about quality software... I had the great luck of being invited to Redmond as MVP, and had my chance to talk with the product teams and point out the problems in a very direct but still polite way...
F) It is not in my intention to start a flame on the topic, if the admins opinion is different than mine on it they are free to apply censorship here...
On a final note, if you have problems with MS or MS software post them in MS own newsgroups... If enough people post about a thing they really cares about that... Of course there are more reactive product teams than other ones but everywhere they will care and even give feedback once you reach a critical mass or point something bad enough...
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OS Hits to Hades-Combine (overall 2004)
Windows - 1982 - 89.4 %
Unknown - 226 - 10.1 %
Linux - 7 - 0.3 %
Macintosh - 2 - 0 %
Browser Hits (overall 2004)
MS Internet Explorer - 1716 - 77.4 %
Netscape - 222 - 10 %
Unknown - 211 - 9.5 %
Opera - 49 - 2.2 %
Mozilla - 14 - 0.6 %
Galeon - 3 - 0.1 %
Safari - 2 - 0 %