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Title: Bah, I might as well
Post by: Nico on July 12, 2004, 12:17:58 pm: (http://www.swooh.com/premium/venom/fs+/HTLperseus.jpg)

Rooooh, I'm such a tease :p
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Post by: jdjtcagle on July 12, 2004, 12:21:00 pm: *breaks down in more tears*
You better release this one :p
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Post by: Gloriano on July 12, 2004, 12:21:06 pm: :eek2: Looks very good:yes:
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Post by: Taristin on July 12, 2004, 12:26:20 pm: Oh! A cocpit. Didn't see that at first.

I will forever haunt you however I can should you not release this.
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Post by: karajorma on July 12, 2004, 12:49:23 pm: If you don't release it we'll all just stick you on ignore :D

Looks gorgeous. How many polys etc?
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Post by: Black Wolf on July 12, 2004, 01:00:15 pm: If you delete this one like you did the Mara, I'm joining An0n to invade France... In other words, err, I guess I like it :)
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Post by: Psychoo on July 12, 2004, 01:56:41 pm: :eek: At last, the best FS2 Terran fighter is looking like it always should... INCREDIBLE! AWESOME! BEAUTIFULL! I've just slightly increased brightness of that image above and set it as wallpaper:D . Great Job! :yes: :yes: :yes:
Any chances to see in-game shots of this beauty soon?:confused:
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Post by: Rictor on July 12, 2004, 02:42:11 pm: OK, it took me like 15 minutes and 4 tries to load that pic, I dunno whats up with swooh.

1. Very, very nice work Venom, as usual.
2. Its kinda dark, no? Well, seeing as how it a WIP, that may change.
3. Can we get some more shots?
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Post by: Nico on July 12, 2004, 04:18:36 pm: Bah, the dark pic was to tease you ;) Here are some real pics:
(http://www.swooh.com/premium/venom/fs+/HTLperseus2.jpg)
(http://www.swooh.com/premium/venom/fs+/HTLperseus3.jpg)
(http://www.swooh.com/premium/venom/fs+/HTLperseus4.jpg)

I think it doesn't need more work ( I've considered reworking the wings, but they're fine as they are imho ).
I used DaBrains map ( a very nice map, tho I'd tone the texture layer done, makes it look a biy like concrete right now, imho ) as a template and cut the details out of the original mesh.
2748 triangles, and yeah, I'll release it ( I discarded the mara coz it was crap, I consider this one ok ).
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Post by: jdjtcagle on July 12, 2004, 04:21:31 pm: :eek2::eek2::eek2::eek2::eek2::eek2:

I think I speak for everyone...
release? now? hurry!
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Post by: Nico on July 12, 2004, 04:22:44 pm: Man, it has to be converted first, I can't do that, and because of the glass cockpit, it's a tad tricky too, so you'll have to wait a bit :p
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Post by: jdjtcagle on July 12, 2004, 04:26:15 pm: *waits....................kinda......................................................*
:shaking:
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Post by: Lightspeed on July 12, 2004, 04:27:57 pm: FREAKY!

*me wants* :)

when you LOD it - make useful LODs poly and texture (i.e. same UVmapping, so we can just halve the texture sizes) wise. :)

There should be a LOD for around 500 m distance (so pretty much the same poly count), since you wont need 1024² textures at any greater distance than that.
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Post by: Rictor on July 12, 2004, 04:32:17 pm: Its as I feared. Some of the details get lost because of the textures. Still looks great though, but you can almost see more details on your dark picture than on these. That will probably be fixed somewhat when the model is in-game though, espcially with environement mapping and so forth.
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Post by: jdjtcagle on July 12, 2004, 04:47:13 pm: Question: If all ships get the HTL treatment.
Will it be a MAJOR problem?
Right now, with 3.6, there is no problem
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Post by: Nico on July 12, 2004, 04:51:55 pm: Of course you see more details on the dark picture, relief shows because of the light/shadow contrasts, that's a natural law ;)
There's nothing I can do about it, I've quite exagerated the reliefs already, and the only way to get it well would be to have raytraced shadows :p. There's no much point complaining about this, it'll be the same for every fighter and bomber. And really it's not that bad here coz the map is high res enough, and the details aren't drown in the usual bluriness.

Lighspeed: yeah right, dream on, I'm gonna take the original pof, and just replace the main lod with this one :p
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Post by: jdjtcagle on July 12, 2004, 05:34:22 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Nico
Of course you see more details on the dark picture, relief shows because of the light/shadow contrasts, that's a natural law ;)

And plus, it's in space soooo.... ;)
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Post by: Ace on July 12, 2004, 06:13:49 pm: Nice, it looks like the arrows and warnings might need to be redone to match with the higher res stuff. (with some chipped paint and such)

If you pop a link on the FS upgrade internal, I can probably do them up for you.
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Post by: KARMA on July 12, 2004, 06:44:56 pm: pretty nice indeed:)
personally I'd give it a go at reworking wings anyway, but surely it's already a pleasure for the eyes as it is
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Post by: Jetmech Jr. on July 12, 2004, 07:38:36 pm: Quote
Originally posted by me
That's a really kickass Hp Perseus, Nico :)
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Post by: Sigma957 on July 12, 2004, 08:20:07 pm: Looks superb, now me wants :D :drevil:
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Post by: jdjtcagle on July 12, 2004, 08:23:51 pm: You know how great of shape these ships are to actually make models for other professional gameing companies and make some money to help pay off you debts and buy rights to freespace!?!?!?
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Post by: Taristin on July 12, 2004, 09:47:43 pm: I'll bet he'll ask Woomeister to convert it for him, but I could, if Woo can't. Real easy...
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Post by: Kamikaze on July 12, 2004, 10:15:38 pm: Quote
Originally posted by jdjtcagle
You know how great of shape these ships are to actually make models for other professional gameing companies and make some money to help pay off you debts and buy rights to freespace!?!?!?

That's a quick way of getting nasty lawsuits.
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Post by: WMCoolmon on July 12, 2004, 10:39:17 pm: Looking good. :nod: :nod: :nod:
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Post by: Singh on July 13, 2004, 12:04:25 am: Is it just me, but does the guy in the cockpit have....a beard??
Ub33333r
If this isnt released........FS2 will be missing something just as cool as the HTL Fenris.
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Post by: Turnsky on July 13, 2004, 12:14:21 am: DUDE!!!! that's ****ing awesome!
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Post by: Bobboau on July 13, 2004, 01:05:31 am: you know how to do glass now right?
the glass should be part of the main hull, everything behind it a subobject

and I think the fins have been neglected
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Post by: Nico on July 13, 2004, 01:47:30 am: Yeah well, you explained it to me, but then again I never even managed to convert a turret :p
The fins, like the wings, are ok taht way imho. I could have made them into a smooth curve, but that would have been crap. When I look at a real life plane, hulls are smooth, wings are sharp. I don't wanna fall in the "everything has to be smoothed" trap, or else I wouldn't have bothered modeling all that crap, and just put a meshsmooth on the mesh.

Ace: it's not my map, ask DaBrains if you want to modify it, I have no rights ( nor the .PSD :p ) on it.

Singh: No, much like 70% of what you see of the guy, it's shadows, not a beard. But the map is good enough so you can paint a beard on it if you really want to :p

Raa: I have no problem with you converting it, woo seems quite busy these days.
Just need to make the debris first, the rest already exists ( lower lods, shield ). Probably won't bother with thrusters, I prefer the pointy bitmap ones.
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Post by: Bobboau on July 13, 2004, 02:22:57 am: I didn't say they should be made smoother, in fact what I was thinking was (looking at the lowwer fin) to make the lower pannels visably smaller than the upper ones, this would make it less smoth, but more detailed. you'd mostly see it in the outline though
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Post by: Cabbie on July 13, 2004, 04:58:03 am: You sir made my freaking day.
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Post by: Taristin on July 13, 2004, 08:52:12 am: Now if you could figure a way to integrate the cocpit into that higher poly Myrmidon...
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Post by: Nico on July 13, 2004, 09:35:28 am: I don't like that myrm ( if it's the one I remember ), so I won't try :p
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Post by: SadisticSid on July 13, 2004, 10:56:06 am: Ooooh, think you can do a high-poly Perseus Advanced for us as well? :p
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Post by: Nico on July 13, 2004, 05:20:01 pm: Voila, I'm officially done. I've added details to the fins as Bob suggested, but it's hardly visible. One last pic before conversion:
(http://www.swooh.com/premium/venom/fs+/perseus.jpg)
Note that I upped the self illu on the map coz it's kindda dark in max viewports, so details are not very visible.
Final polycount ( triangulated ): 2853
I'll do the debris tomorrow and send the file to Woomeister.
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Post by: aldo_14 on July 13, 2004, 05:28:56 pm: Neat. Looks heavier than the original, IMO (not a bad thing, similar effect as that of Bobs Deimos)
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Post by: DaBrain on July 13, 2004, 05:35:48 pm: Good work :yes:
I can't wait to see it with shine/env maps in the game ;)

The cockpit is ... just wow.

Again :yes: :)

@ Ace feel free to alter my map.
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Post by: Trivial Psychic on July 13, 2004, 05:56:04 pm: I've never seen anyone make this comment before, but has it struck anyone how much the Perseus and the Hecate look alike... layout-wise I mean? They must have been made by the same designer.
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Post by: WMCoolmon on July 13, 2004, 06:08:29 pm: How long is it going to take to get the ship all-completed? I can push the mv_models release back to Saturday if it'll be fully completed by then.
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Post by: Taristin on July 13, 2004, 07:11:36 pm: See? I knew Woo'd get it. :p Oh well. I still want this.
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Post by: Jetmech Jr. on July 13, 2004, 08:39:45 pm: Private L.L. Church:

"I could blow up the whole goddamn world with this thing..."
:eek2:
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Post by: jdjtcagle on July 13, 2004, 08:47:43 pm: *. . .*

JD's mother: Now you see what you done!? You fried his brain!!!
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Post by: IceFire on July 13, 2004, 09:30:32 pm: Beautiful! VERY Beautiful!
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Post by: Singh on July 14, 2004, 04:46:11 am: Quote
Originally posted by Trivial Psychic
I've never seen anyone make this comment before, but has it struck anyone how much the Perseus and the Hecate look alike... layout-wise I mean? They must have been made by the same designer.

Interesting...now that you mention it, it does strike me as they are rather alike, albiet on different scales.
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Post by: Nico on July 14, 2004, 04:49:30 am: Quote
Originally posted by WMCoolmon
How long is it going to take to get the ship all-completed? I can push the mv_models release back to Saturday if it'll be fully completed by then.

Woke up 20 minutes ago, it's 11.50 am, if I move my ass, Woo can get it this afternoon, so it can be done tonight.
Pb1: I HAVE to move my ass :p
Pb2: Woomeister might be busy with other stuff
Pb3: I might just not be able to contact him.

Bah, it'll be done before saturday, no doubt.
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Post by: Skippy on July 14, 2004, 04:57:44 am: Joli ! :yes: ;)
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Post by: Sigma957 on July 14, 2004, 11:57:10 pm: Is freakin awesome :yes:
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Post by: Col. Fishguts on July 15, 2004, 02:37:00 am: Woah...that's the new benchmark for all future HTL-ifications of [V] fighters/bombers.

big :nod: :yes:
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Post by: Bobboau on July 15, 2004, 02:54:39 am: yeah, that's defenately better than my herc
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Post by: Nico on July 15, 2004, 09:47:29 am: WMCoolmon: you can release the vp file w/o waiting, I just can't get myself to work on it for now.
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Post by: Deepblue on July 19, 2004, 09:31:33 pm: *Bump* If you will not work on it, release the model so I can finish it up!
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Post by: .::Tin Can::. on July 19, 2004, 10:02:05 pm: And so I can take in-game screenies!
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Post by: Jetmech Jr. on July 19, 2004, 10:32:10 pm: And so I can blast shivans while piloting it!
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Post by: Black Wolf on July 20, 2004, 07:07:22 am: The work he needs to do is the work that's going to make all that possible - ie. get it in game :p
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Post by: Turnsky on July 20, 2004, 07:36:50 am: y'know, with that cockpit, with pilot, it goes to show just how large that fighter actually is..

it really adds to the overall feel and the scale of things..

Kudos again frenchman :nod:
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Post by: Nico on July 20, 2004, 09:38:26 am: Quote
Originally posted by Deepblue
*Bump* If you will not work on it, release the model so I can finish it up!

I'll finish it, but not now.
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Post by: Deepblue on July 21, 2004, 10:05:11 pm: Fine, be yourself :p.
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Post by: Taristin on July 28, 2004, 08:12:48 pm: How about now? :p
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Post by: redsniper on July 28, 2004, 11:56:44 pm: we neeeedsss it preciousss... we needsss it...
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Post by: Taristin on August 02, 2004, 02:20:51 pm: Or now? C'mon Nico... You know you want to...
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Post by: Turnsky on August 02, 2004, 08:26:11 pm: leave the (french)man alone.. you sound like a eager child awai......

nevermind :p
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Post by: Scuddie on August 02, 2004, 10:24:06 pm: What?? Awaiting to be eaten alive?? I dont know what you're talking about, man. I had nothing to do with any of it. Not that I would know anything about it anyway...:nervous:

BTW Nico get in here and tell us how hard you've been working on that model.