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Title: Comments thread on [HOW MUCH WOULD YOU PAY FOR THE FS LISCENCE?]
Post by: Unknown Target on July 15, 2004, 09:35:29 pm: Because the original thread should only be posted in if you're saying how much you're going to donate, please post all concerns, questions, etc, in here.
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Post by: Knight Templar on July 15, 2004, 09:37:15 pm: Concern: Styxx is going to close this on site, y'know. Having more than one "Smart" thread is a hemeroid on his ass already.
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Post by: Unknown Target on July 15, 2004, 09:39:24 pm: Well, I'd prefer to keep this and the actual donations thread stickied, if possible Styxx.
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Post by: Bobboau on July 15, 2004, 10:32:02 pm: I could probly get $3,000
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Post by: Rictor on July 15, 2004, 10:33:57 pm: uh...cool.
are you serious?
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Post by: Bobboau on July 15, 2004, 10:47:29 pm: if combined we had enough to buy it, hell yeh, that was a low end, what I'm sure I could get if given a month or two.
****, I've sunken $3,500 at least into a computer that I play only FS on.
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Post by: Knight Templar on July 15, 2004, 10:55:44 pm: Jesus, I want Bob's job.
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Post by: Kazan on July 15, 2004, 11:00:55 pm: How much would I VALUE them at? If I had the capital I would throw $1 or $2 MILLION in a heartbeat

now getting the capital.... *Growls and hgoes back to scheming*
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Post by: Knight Templar on July 15, 2004, 11:02:04 pm: We could rob Fort Knox. ;)
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Post by: Kazan on July 15, 2004, 11:07:32 pm: :)
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Post by: Singh on July 15, 2004, 11:12:55 pm: hmmmm.........im running shot as it is. Don't think i'll be able to give much at all im afraid...that is, unless I stop eating sweets and save up that $$ and gave it to ya.
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Post by: Styxx on July 15, 2004, 11:13:24 pm: Dammit, you can't keep this thing inside the truckload of threads already open? This whole deal was blown way out of proportion... But since there's a lot less people online and posting now I'll leave this one open. Just don't start with insults again, I'm not in the mood for that.
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Post by: Bobboau on July 15, 2004, 11:13:44 pm: I make ~$10,000 a year, if I knew we could get the rights I'd work 70 hours a day for three months, pulling slopp, rotting food, and liquified meat out of the coldest holes in exsistence easily.
that could get us ~$6500. and I **** you not. unfortunately, I doubt anyone else whould be willing to put up the cash like I would, becase I'm weird. wich means I won't get the honnor of owning a peice of the rights.

so anyway, how dedcated are you?
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Post by: Kazan on July 15, 2004, 11:23:50 pm: i don't have the time to work that much... had I the cash I would go for it
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Post by: Lonestar on July 15, 2004, 11:26:44 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Bobboau
I make ~$10,000 a year, if I knew we could get the rights I'd work 70 hours a day for three months, pulling slopp, rotting food, and liquified meat out of the coldest holes in exsistence easily.
that could get us ~$6500. and I **** you not. unfortunately, I doubt anyone else whould be willing to put up the cash like I would, becase I'm weird. wich means I won't get the honnor of owning a peice of the rights.

so anyway, how dedcated are you?

I'd give 10% of all E-Spyder Technologies (which i own) Profits for the next 5 years, which would be around $2000+ USD minimum a year for a minimum over 5 years of $10,000+ and all i would want is for everyone to get along and make a good Space Sim. Year by year things get better so i cant really give a good solid estimate besides minimums.

I'd work with people i hated just to see it through as well. Freespace in my opinion has too much potential to allow money or ego's to stop its production.
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Post by: Kazan on July 15, 2004, 11:28:12 pm: That's awesome lonstar and bobboau
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Post by: Lonestar on July 15, 2004, 11:29:43 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Lonestar

I'd give 10% of all E-Spyder Technologies (which i own) Profits for the next 5 years, which would be around $2000+ USD minimum a year for a minimum over 5 years of $10,000+ and all i would want is for everyone to get along and make a good Space Sim. Year by year things get better so i cant really give a good solid estimate besides minimums.

I'd work with people i hated just to see it through as well. Freespace in my opinion has too much potential to allow money or ego's to stop its production.

I'd be happy to make this legally binding as well in writing provided we got some sort of battle plan.
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Post by: ChronoReverse on July 15, 2004, 11:30:46 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Lonestar

I'd work with people i hated just to see it through as well. Freespace in my opinion has too much potential to allow money or ego's to stop its production.

:yes: :yes: :yes:
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Post by: Bobboau on July 15, 2004, 11:38:56 pm: yeah, you guys know it'd take a minimum of $200,000 right?
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Post by: Lonestar on July 15, 2004, 11:40:50 pm: thats cool. just being part of the game and its development considering my feelings of past titles would be enough to hook me in.
The 200,000 is just the icing on the cake.
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Post by: Bobboau on July 15, 2004, 11:42:58 pm: I am serius, but unless we have over 100 peole willing to put forth the comitment, were screwed, and even then, were still probly screwed, though I'd still be willing to take the chance.
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Post by: Rictor on July 16, 2004, 12:05:22 am: What Peter Molyeneaux doing these days? He seems like a cool enough guy, and is pretty loaded from what I know.
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Post by: Cabbie on July 16, 2004, 12:10:56 am: i suggest putting up a section in the front HLP page explaining the situation and setting up a paypal donation box for those who wish to chip in the cause.
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Post by: Bobboau on July 16, 2004, 12:13:08 am: yeah, lets get a box people can start throughing cash into.
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Post by: Rictor on July 16, 2004, 12:20:17 am: err...is this theoretical money or proper money? I don't mean it in that sense, I mean, if we raise like 2000, which is obviously not nearly enough, does everyone get their money back or what?
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Post by: Stryke 9 on July 16, 2004, 12:29:23 am: That'd be the way to do it. The "how" would be a bit more complicated, as while just pooling all the dosh with someone the HLP community mostly trusts might work for HLP, but it won't fly with anybody outside the community, and if you wanna give this an honest shot you'll need them. Oh sweet mother of ****, you will need them.
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Post by: Rictor on July 16, 2004, 12:37:11 am: So, basically, the trust fund/whatever has to look legitimate and professional? Thats about as easy as putting up a fancy website. That, or going through an intermediary, such as a sympathetic game developer. That way, you're not sending your money to Joe Smith, but rather to a trusted (preferably) game company who is going to hold the money until needed.

If thats the basic jist of it, Penny Arcade would probably suffice. If they're not trusted, I don't know who is.

But I get the nagging feeling that if this is to happen, there's going to have to be some outside capital, and lots of it.
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Post by: Cabbie on July 16, 2004, 12:41:46 am: Has Penny Arcade got wind of this news? It would be nice to have Tycho rant about this news for the community to get more exposure and sympathy.
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Post by: Stryke 9 on July 16, 2004, 12:48:24 am: Rictor: I think you're missing the point. While Penny Arcade might indeed do, there needs to be some sort of legal protections in place to make people feel safe about parting with their money. I don't wanna give a third of my current bank balance to some guy I barely know who might well run off with it.

Cabbie: There's a thread on the PA forum. Whether it's newsworthy, I dunno. Thing is, it's not a public-opinion war that has to be won- were it, you lot could just rest on your laurels right now, Smart loses by default and has lost ever since BC3k. It's more of a, you know, legal thing.
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Post by: Rictor on July 16, 2004, 01:04:49 am: Yeah well, I don't see how to get around that specific problem. Most of the peope you're likely to meet on the INternet are people you don't know who live far away. But I think PA might, in theory, fit the description, cause people sent them hundreds of thousands of dollars in toys/donations during that whole Child's Play thing.

if its a legal problem, that it would be convenient to have it overseas, specifically in a country where you're not likely to get prosecuted. India comes to mind, as does Russia and, well, mostly anywhere.

this is all speaking theoretically of course. The biggest problem is still money..
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Post by: Kamikaze on July 16, 2004, 01:11:25 am: Make a 501(c)(3), non-profit organization solely for organizing FreeSpace rights and properties. Then you can donate and get the tax benefits too.

Edit: Oops it's 501, my bad.
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Post by: Stryke 9 on July 16, 2004, 01:34:09 am: Kami's got it.
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Post by: Rictor on July 16, 2004, 01:37:47 am: all those brackets and "c" make it look like he totally knows what he's talking about. And no, I'm not even sarcastic.
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Post by: Bobboau on July 16, 2004, 01:38:37 am: I think someone should send a mesage to PA and ask them for there suport, someone who represents us.

isn't kami the lawer?
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Post by: Rictor on July 16, 2004, 01:40:43 am: I suggest holding off on any serious press release type stuff, until we can atleast reach some sort of agreement. As it stands, whatever someone says is bound to be incomplete, contradictory and so on.
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Post by: Knight Templar on July 16, 2004, 01:41:22 am: So... lets get to it?

Bob: No, Su-Thep is the Lawyer. He's on hiatus, but comes back in August IIRC.
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Post by: Kamikaze on July 16, 2004, 01:46:10 am: Stuff about non-profit orgs:
http://www.form-a-corp.com/non-profits_QA.php
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non_profit

No, I'm not a lawyer. I think that was Su-tehp. (Pfff, KT beat me to it)
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Post by: Rictor on July 16, 2004, 01:51:21 am: Well, congratulations, you just got promoted, you're an interim lawyer now, cause we need one to look menacing. It would help if your name was either very distinguished sounding, or very threatening. Or both.
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Post by: Goober5000 on July 16, 2004, 01:54:04 am: Just put "Kamikaze, J.D." in your sig. Close enough. ;)
Spoiler:
For the uninformed, J.D. = juris doctora, i.e. doctor of law --> a lawyer. :)
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Post by: Stryke 9 on July 16, 2004, 01:54:13 am: No, you hold off on the press release stuff until you've got something to "press release" about. Start going on about plans to set up a fund, and then we've almost started the fund, and then hey here's another stage of starting it, and by the time you've got the actual news to report everyone's lost interest. Set it up fast, yeah, but don't go jumping the gun.

If nobody else is willing to start, I can give it a shot this weekend. I know ****-all about law and don't exactly, y'know, pay taxes or anything, but I can do boring paperwork as good as the best of 'em. Uh, unless it involves hand writing, in which case I'm about as good as a mongoloid first-generation immigrant from Iran with no arms.
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Post by: Knight Templar on July 16, 2004, 01:54:26 am: Kami sort of sounds like a stripper's name...

You could just add a Ph.D at the end. For ****s and giggles. ;)
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Post by: Stryke 9 on July 16, 2004, 01:55:15 am: Kami Kazi/Cassey even more so.

(Next on Kamikaze: Porn Lawyer...- heey! A mod for that after the Jesus one!)
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Post by: Knight Templar on July 16, 2004, 01:56:00 am: And Shi is just forthcomming about it.

Not that I have anything against asian sluts.
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Post by: Rictor on July 16, 2004, 01:59:21 am: Quote
Originally posted by Knight Templar
Kami sort of sounds like a stripper's name...

You could just add a Ph.D at the end. For ****s and giggles. ;)

It worked from a certain someone, so why not?

I was thinking more like, Mr. Daniel Lowenstien, Solicitor and Baristor, representing the law firm of Cohen, Goldman and Smythe.

...thats sounds so Jewish, you wouldn't want to get within a mile of them.
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Post by: Bobboau on July 16, 2004, 02:06:18 am: Zarathud! old DC guy he was a lawer IIRC
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Post by: Knight Templar on July 16, 2004, 02:08:01 am: Quote
Originally posted by Rictor

It worked from a certain someone, so why not?

I was thinking more like, Mr. Daniel Lowenstien, Solicitor and Baristor, representing the law firm of Cohen, Goldman and Smythe.

...thats sounds so Jewish, you wouldn't want to get within a mile of them.

I don't know man... you know Nazis.
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Post by: Bobboau on July 16, 2004, 02:10:11 am: Zarathud's real name was Michael Diedrich, he lives in Illinois, as I do...
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Post by: Knight Templar on July 16, 2004, 02:11:58 am: Look him up?
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Post by: Bobboau on July 16, 2004, 02:12:36 am: he's one of the Michael Diedrich's who lives in Chicago
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Post by: Knight Templar on July 16, 2004, 02:16:37 am: Well... you are friends, no? He'd be a person to ask in a matter like this...
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Post by: Stryke 9 on July 16, 2004, 02:17:01 am: You know, I looked, there's no legal requirement for a barred lawyer in there. Anybody who can read can fill out the forms, anybody who wants to assume responsibilty can file them. I am, uh, presuming we have at least one of each here, yes?
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Post by: Rictor on July 16, 2004, 02:19:34 am: Yes, but not necessarily the same person. Whoever reads the forms will know enough not to accept resonsibility, and whoever accepts resonsibility probably hadn't read the forums...and so forth, I'm off for the day.

If I have like 100 posts to sift through tommorow morning, there's gonna be hell to pay..
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Post by: Stryke 9 on July 16, 2004, 02:26:52 am: Mostly, I mentioned that 'cos I'm perfectly willing to spend a few hours filling out forms but am emphatically not interesting in letting this government be any more aware of my presence than I have to. Four years has given me time to get really ****ing paranoid, and be right most of the time to boot.

Oh, and don't worry. I'm sure someone'll contrive to spread this **** to every damned forum on here and most of 'em off by tomorrow morning. Ugh.
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Post by: Bobboau on July 16, 2004, 02:32:38 am: Michael C. Diedrich
2 N la Salle St
Chicago, IL 60602-3702
(312) 269-5356

check this out (http://www.ngelaw.com/attorneys/bio.asp?ID=D816127956&Detail=1)
and cros reference that with this (http://members.core.com/~diedrich/plan/zplan11-98.htm)
specificly this exerpt from his old abandoned site "On November 5th, 1998, I took my professional oath to practice law in the State of Illinois. It was an extremely long, but interesting, event. The day was extremely emotionally exhausting, as it symbolized the attainment of a goal I have been working on since my Freshman year of High School. And now I need to find another goal to keep me busy and out of trouble. But I suppose that I should find a job first, right?"
looks like he is an estate lawer, I wonder how much good he'd be at figureing out non-profit organiseations
(BTW isn't it sort of creepy how I can find all this stuff so quickly with nothin more than the guys internet handel I remembered from four years ago)
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Post by: Stryke 9 on July 16, 2004, 02:34:11 am: Not really. Most people don't have any reason to cover themselves, so they don't even bother think of it. Betcha can't find my name, though.
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Post by: Knight Templar on July 16, 2004, 02:54:43 am: How much?
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Post by: Bobboau on July 16, 2004, 02:57:05 am: is there some way to see how oftine someone uses ICQ, I don't want to use his busness email, and I can't be sure any of his others work, but I've got his ICQ#
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Post by: Knight Templar on July 16, 2004, 03:01:00 am: Not ot my knowledge, at least, not without them knowing.
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Post by: Bobboau on July 16, 2004, 03:04:15 am: I don't care if they know or not, hell I asked for autherizeation already, I just want to know if I have a snowballs chance of contacting him this way
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Post by: Bobboau on July 16, 2004, 03:44:10 am: if anyone else wants to try the ICQ number I've come up with is
10-331-758
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Post by: kasperl on July 16, 2004, 05:17:11 am: Bob: Got phone number? If you guys are in the same state, just give him a ring. Hell, if you gave me the number I'd do it, bar me being on another continent and all.
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Post by: Rictor on July 16, 2004, 08:39:27 am: Well supposedly, it would be W. Pierce, where W might stand for William or somesuch name. But I could be wrong.
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Post by: Unknown Target on July 16, 2004, 09:21:32 am: Anyone think of talking to [V], maybe getting their help?
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Post by: Unknown Target on July 16, 2004, 09:37:35 am: I posted this text on the Megatokyo and Penny Arcade boards:

Quote

Hello all. I'm from the Freespace community. Now, I know, many of you are asking "What is Freespace?" Well, it's a space game series (composed of the original Descent: Freespace, and it's sequel Freespace 2), with it's latest iteration made back in 1999.
Well, now the game has become abandon ware (you can get it on HOTU for free), BUT, the Freespace community has stuck with it ever since it's incarnation. We have survived two official site closings, a dead publisher, a dead developer, and a myriad of other problems, but we have survived. The last hope for Freespace 2 is at this website, please visit it and see what we have done with the source code (which Volition, the original developer, released about two years ago).
www.3dap.com/hlp

But now we have a problem, which is why I come to Penny Arcade. We need serious help. With Interplay closing down, they are auctioning off all of their game rights. And guess who wants to pick up the Freespace franchise?

Derek Smart.

Now, I'm sure all of you are familiar with Derek, in one form or another. I will not go into the myriad of items that are attached to his name, however, I will tell you that almost every member of the Freespace community does NOT want him to develop a possible Freespace 3, or even get the rights. Which is why we need your help. We need people to donate money, or at least pledge it right now, so that we can buy the rights. We have people willing to donate up to 3,000 dollars for the cause. I personally am willing to donate 100 to 300 dollars. We would appreciate any donation, large or small, but we need HELP. Please, find it in your hearts to not only help a magnificent series keep it's reputation, but also help a dedicated and mature community keep its game and freedom to do what it wants with it.

If you are willing to donate, please visit this thread, register, and post:

http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,25177.0.html

If you want to see what started the hubbub, please visit this thread:

http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,25162.0.html
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Post by: Unknown Target on July 16, 2004, 09:45:26 am: Also reposted on DeviantArt.
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Post by: Unknown Target on July 16, 2004, 09:58:12 am: There goes Megatokyo. Ah, well, wasn'treally expecting anythng from them anyway.
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Post by: Nico on July 16, 2004, 10:35:06 am: Quote
Originally posted by Unknown Target
Anyone think of talking to [V], maybe getting their help?

Suuuuuuuure. Baranec was so happy with us when he left, let's ask for their help.
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Post by: Setekh on July 16, 2004, 10:39:47 am: That's true. Still, I wonder what he would think of this situation.
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Post by: Rictor on July 16, 2004, 10:49:51 am: I don't think they would be too hapyy about it. They made Freespace, its their baby, and I think they want to see a worthy succesor as much as anyone.
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Post by: Zarax on July 16, 2004, 11:00:11 am: Just hope EA or Strategy First do not notice it... I don't know which would be worse...
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Post by: The Shadow on July 16, 2004, 11:07:05 am: For organising the payments, how about an escrow service?

It's what eBay uses so I don't know if it would also work on this type of project, and unfortunatly it isn't free. If we're talking 200 000$ then the service would cost 1780$
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Post by: Unknown Target on July 16, 2004, 11:07:29 am: How about a PayPal account?
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Post by: magatsu1 on July 16, 2004, 11:12:30 am: Quote
Originally posted by Setekh
That's true. Still, I wonder what he would think of this situation.

laughing his ass off, no doubt.
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Post by: Genryu on July 16, 2004, 12:13:53 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Nico

Suuuuuuuure. Baranec was so happy with us when he left, let's ask for their help.

Seeing that I wasn't online at the time, can someone tell me what happened with daveB ?
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Post by: karajorma on July 16, 2004, 12:19:18 pm: Certain people making twats of themselves on the Columbia disaster thread sickened him of the entire community.
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Post by: Lonestar on July 16, 2004, 12:59:59 pm: I can start the fund, if so someone IM me and ill help them out with it. I would come back to this thread but i got a life to live yeesh!
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Post by: aldo_14 on July 16, 2004, 01:05:08 pm: Quote
Originally posted by karajorma
Certain people making twats of themselves on the Columbia disaster thread sickened him of the entire community.

I missed that.
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Post by: Setekh on July 16, 2004, 01:11:46 pm: Mmmm. Daveb made one or two posts since then, but otherwise he's steered clear of us. A great loss, that was.
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Post by: Styxx on July 16, 2004, 01:51:23 pm: Yeah, it was a real shame. Proof that political threads can do real damage, if you ask me. :p
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Post by: Rictor on July 16, 2004, 02:14:47 pm: Well, I think that whoever the person, political threads are clearly marked and if you aren't ready to handle it, just steer clear. Its a shame that thats what drove the away, it seems a rather bad reason to me. I mean, I think most people here understand that what happens in the political debates and what happens at HLP at large are two different matters, and if, for example, Liberator needed some help with his mod or whatever, the fact that I don't agree with him politically shouldn't influence it.
Title: Comments thread on [HOW MUCH WOULD YOU PAY FOR THE FS LISCENCE?]
Post by: karajorma on July 16, 2004, 05:39:41 pm: To be fair the columbia thread went far beyond politics and into the realms of a serious lack of human decency. I've seen people get banned before for saying things similar to the stuff that was said on that thread.
Title: Comments thread on [HOW MUCH WOULD YOU PAY FOR THE FS LISCENCE?]
Post by: phreak on July 16, 2004, 06:20:49 pm: which went something like "9/11 wasn't really important, this is a real tragedy"

i think i left for a month or two after that incident
Title: Comments thread on [HOW MUCH WOULD YOU PAY FOR THE FS LISCENCE?]
Post by: Inquisitor on July 16, 2004, 06:50:13 pm: Yeah, we're not the nicest of people sometimes.

As for companies: I own one. I help run another. Not just an easy "flip a switch and we win" type of thing, FYI.

No, I don't the kind of capital required to buy the license. wish I did, but then, I am not sure *I* could do the franchise justice. You guys can be pretty critical ;)
Title: Comments thread on [HOW MUCH WOULD YOU PAY FOR THE FS LISCENCE?]
Post by: Shrike on July 16, 2004, 07:34:21 pm: Personally, I wouldn't give any money. I'd much rather do my own game than play in someone else's universe.
Title: Comments thread on [HOW MUCH WOULD YOU PAY FOR THE FS LISCENCE?]
Post by: Flipside on July 16, 2004, 07:44:05 pm: I know what you mean Shrike, I don't think it was so much the thought of the loss of Freespace that annoyed me as the way he disregarded a lot of hard work done by some very dedicated people as though we were his least favourite chinese dish.
Personally, I'd rather design something from scratch, forget Shivans and Vasudans and make something that would not only be fun, but profitable, we certainly have the talent for it here, but that would sort of lose us our Gamespy hosting ;)
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Post by: Inquisitor on July 16, 2004, 07:50:38 pm: Shrike: kinda what I did ;)

Patience is key. Too much "the sky is falling" is gonna give everyone an ulcer.
Title: Comments thread on [HOW MUCH WOULD YOU PAY FOR THE FS LISCENCE?]
Post by: Stryke 9 on July 17, 2004, 10:51:22 pm: Bob (from the other thread): The thing is, it's unnecessary for either to have it. This isn't about settling for what'd merely be narrowly tolerable, it's about getting what we want. The sole real difference between Derek Smart having the license and Microsoft having the license that I can see (as I wouldn't be very interested in either) would be that with Smart at least there's the remote chance in hell of someone else getting the license. Microsoft owns it, we will never see it again. Ever.

Never mind that MS has really no reason to be interested in the FreeSpace license. They've already got the Starlancer/Freelancer series to cover their fighter-sim base- and that series is more of a commercial success and is more "current" than the FS license, too. They might be five hundred dollars kinda interested in the license, maybe, if we covered the rest, but at that point why bother? If we're gonna try and give the license to someone for free or so cheap they can't say no, why not pick someone we'd not just not object to too strongly, not just someone we can barely tolerate, but someone we'd want to have it?

If MS wants it, let them put up a competing bid, or at least express interest. Same with every other company- some slightly wealthy crackpot couldn't possibly stave off a healthy corporation in a price war.
Title: Comments thread on [HOW MUCH WOULD YOU PAY FOR THE FS LISCENCE?]
Post by: Stryke 9 on July 18, 2004, 08:01:38 pm: Inquisitor (from doing stuff thread: Like I said, I ain't stopping nobody from doin' nothin', I'm just the only one who's actually gone and gotten anybody to commit to do anything so far. If you honestly think you can do a better job than me, you're perfectly free to go right ahead and deal with those other issues as you see fit. So long as I'm the one more or less coordinating the only activities that are going on, though, I will do so in the manner I think best benefits the cause.

You could convince me the best way involves some other approach, possibly, but you haven't so far and right now I've committed to one approach and am loath to lose momentum on that front, so you'd also have to convince me it'd be worth it. As a quick note, talking in generalities and making baseless assumptions about my experience in any field is not the way to do that. Nor is filling up a thread clearly marked for actual work with personal opinions when this thread will do just fine- that's just gonna piss me off real fast.

Sooner or later, like I said, we will get around to all those issue you're talking about. I'd be insulted that you think I'm so careless as to just go off half-cocked and send up the fundraiser site with promises of cash returns before I've figured out a way to deliver on that, or that you think I'm just going to set this up and then wait around for Interplay to call us and tell us what else they need to make the transfer, but I suppose HLP is full of a lot of people committing themselves to things they aren't certain they can follow through on. I don't plan on making that mistake- though, sure, it'd be nice if you warned me if I was gonna do that by accident.

Right now, the idea is just to get all this stuff ready to go, and then contact Interplay, get from them a full list of what else would be necessary to execute a transfer of license for their very unique situation and a better idea of what kind of end goal we're looking at- before then, really, who would take a prospective buyer seriously if they didn't even have the basic mechanism in place to pay for the item for sale? What good is it to jump through all these hoops to get info from Interplay if at the end of the day we can't even get the fundraiser off the ground? Why would we do the part of the job that requires more time than anything else, when there's the rather simple but effort-intensive step of getting this mechanism ready to kick into life we could do while people nose out what they can about Interplay (and, from what I've seen, I have faith some people are working towards just that right now, albeit in an apparently haphazard fashion).

Until we talk to Interplay, though, all this stuff really is just idle speculation. I freely admit I don't know what we'll need to do aside from get our hands on some money, yeah, 'cause Interplay's in a very wierd place right now. You don't know either, I can almost guarantee that, unless you've spent a decade or so as a copyright lawyer and I wasn't aware of it. But Interplay certainly would, and they'd be happy to provide a serious potential buyer with a grocery list of what processes need to be done to transfer the license. Only we can't reach 'em yet. So it's really pointless to theorize on all of that right now. If we have to do something (and we do, we most certainly do), let it be something involving the known factor of money, and we'll sort out the rest of the stuff whenever it becomes clear.

If you'd like to help, it shouldn't be too hard to take a quick look around and see what there is to find about Interplay. Contact information must be somewhere these days, they're not hermits, but nobody's found it yet. I'm gonna be looking around tonight, too. Given the joint efforts of multiple people, we gotta dig up a number, a personal email address, something, in a fairly short period of time.
Title: Comments thread on [HOW MUCH WOULD YOU PAY FOR THE FS LISCENCE?]
Post by: Inquisitor on July 18, 2004, 08:13:30 pm: 1) I think you posted in the wrong thread, maybe not :) Was this a reply to my "some things to think about"?

2) I have spent a decade working in software/IT, executing contracts, and building stuff not terribly dissimilar from this. It's only been a couple years in the game thing, though. My first commecial software title was released in 1997. My first Microsoft contract was executed that same year. Prior to that, I didn't write alot of contracts. Since then, I have written millions of dollars of business for 3 different companies. No, I am not a lawyer. I work with many. At my next sit down with one, I have every intention of asking about some of hte things with regards to this mess. I usually have to buy the beer for that, to avoid any consultation bills ;)

3) Right now, you don't have any momentum, right now, it IS the right time to stop, and think it through. You're right, I don't know what your experience is, but, this approach seems reckless, and reckless approaches imply less than deeply experienced people. Bad assumption on my part, maybe.

4) Passion is a fabulous thing. And drive is fantastic as well. It requires careful application.

5) If you can get ahold of Interplay, you're in a better place than most of the press. They are simply not to be found. And if you do find them, you get directed to their press releases.
Title: Comments thread on [HOW MUCH WOULD YOU PAY FOR THE FS LISCENCE?]
Post by: Stryke 9 on July 18, 2004, 08:32:49 pm: 1. Yes, yes it is.
2. Then yeah, you're probably clearer on this sorta thing than me.
3. Like I said, I'm open to suggestions, just not in that thread. And we are getting somewhere, more or less. Not nearly so far so fast as I could have hoped, sure, but things are happening. I imagine I'll end up having to do a lot of the little things myself, which is unfortunate 'cos a lot of it's outside anything I know much about so it'll turn out sloppy or unfinished altogether (the charity idea has already been put off until after I know that it's a good idea as far as Interplay, the Paypal account, etc. goes. Plus, I think at the end of the day I was more than happy for a good reason not to look at more forms).
4. Not so cautious that nothing gets done, though. While overdoing recklessness can get you in a place you don't want to be, overdoing caution gets you nowhere at all and that's about as bad. I'm trying to strike a balance, and I might be off by a bit, but right now, before any money has been invested, there's not really a hell of a lot to be cautious about. Later you'll start seeing caution. Uh, hopefully.
5. Yeep, that seems to be about the shape of things. I'm thinking of trying to locate specific persons known to still be employed at this point. Which, I suppose, means finding some names of people still employed. People in California (or people like Smart, who've met an Interplayer in the flesh) would have an advantage over the rest of us in this regard, as our only other resources are the White/Yellow Pages and the aforementioned press releases, but it's a rather factual truism that you can find an absurd amount of information about anybody given just a name and a general location, generally. Or we could just let it be widely known that we're also prospective buyers, and see if they come to us- but I wouldn't count on that.