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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Eishtmo on July 16, 2004, 03:14:01 pm
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When I heard about this, I was scared.
I should have expected that it would happen eventually, with Interplay dying and all. They sold Fallout after all, why wouldn't they sell Freespace? And like when they sold Fallout to Bethesda, I was scared at the thought of Freespace going to Derek Smart. I was scared that the result would be an awful, terrible game, something that would overshadow the greatness of the name. That's how I felt about Fallout, and the same applied to Freespace.
But it's more than that. When I read the words "you will regret this" aimed at us, from the person who was going to buy and make a new Freespace, I went from scared to angry, as I'm sure many of us did. How dare he! In that moment, I wanted to go to war, I still do. I want to destroy his hopes for his game, make it so no one will want to buy it. I want to put pop up and banner ads to use to stop his ambitions, or make them worthless. I so wanted to do it that it burns just under the surface to the point of EXPLODING! And then a thought came to me:
I want to destroy Freespace 3.
I've been part of the Freespace community since just after the game came out, just after I beat Freespace 2. That was, what, six, seven years ago? Longer perhaps, it's hard to say any more. After beating the game, watching the ending scroll by, there's only one thing I, and everyone else, ever wanted:
Freespace 3.
A sequel, to fill in all the missing information, to finish the story at long last, to give us the answers we've been waiting for. And we waited, and waited, and waited. I think that a few years ago, when the vbb was originally shut down, I think that if this had come up then, even with Derek Smart doing, we would have welcomed it. We would have fallen at his feet and thanked him for making Freespace 3, perhaps even worshiped him for it. But that was then, now I want to destroy Freespace 3. Why?
When Volition closed its boards, I think we all decided that there would be no Freespace 3. Intellectually, in our minds, we realized that it was never going to happen. Our hearts thought something else, and held on to the hope that it would. But eventually, the idea made its way down, and we all but stopped hoping for it, because it wasn't going to happen. And then the source code was released.
The Source Code Project began, initially, as a way to fix the small problems in the original game, I believe. Then add a few of the neater ideas that had been mulled over in the various discussions of what should be in Freespace 3. Today, the code has been added to, reworked and rewritten to the point that maybe half of it would be recognizable to the original programmers.
Meanwhile, the various campaigns and mod projects got underway. A couple dozen or more have started, all building on ideas, on storylines, on what we wanted in Freespace 3. Then there are the histories (something I'm proud of) and the examinations, the questions, our answers, the jokes, the gags, the renders, and more. All of that was put towards filling the hole left by Freespace 3, taking the bits and pieces and making everything we each, individually, wanted to see in Freespace 3.
Now we have things like Ferrium, a new engine for, what else, Freespace 3. It's why it's being build, even if Kazan and the others say otherwise. A new engine for a game that will never exist, with all the ships, and missions, and mods, and campaigns and weapons and species and whatnot there waiting, for nothing.
And as I thought about all this, I realized why I wanted to destroy Derek Smart's Freespace 3: I don't need it. We don't need it. Not anymore.
Look at all we have accomplished on our own, using only two games, an expansion pack, some notes and some quotes. This forum, and all the other sites and forums, created something we all longed for, but never got. We don't need Freespace 3, because we already made it.
There's no campaign, no mission pack, no mod called Freespace 3, of course, but all the pieces, all the elements are there. In the last few years, we've done more with what little we were given than anyone has ever done with anything I can think of. Even Half Life, king of mod packs, had nothing built for it compared to what we've made for Freespace. We not only kept it alive, we invigorated it, made it bigger and stronger than it could have been even if Volition had made Freespace 3. We not only created Freespace 3, but we went beyond it. I'll even be so bold to suggest that we're now on Freespace 5 or 6 now.
And then Derek Smart comes in, say's he'll make "Freespace 3" and we're all terrible people (not in so many words, of course, but he implies it). Why? Because he already knows what I've just told you, we've moved past him. His plans, his ideas, are little more than just another mod project, one we've done countless times. He's angry about that, the thought that this game, which he thought was abandoned, still has an active, intelligent, and skilled community creating for it. He wants it for himself, alone, but he can't stop us, we've done too much, and he'll never be able to top all that we have done.
So he'll own the license, good for him. Interplay owned it and it didn't do them much good, and it likely won't do him any good either. Let him make his game, because in the end we'll know the truth. It's not Freespace 3, we made that already. And he'll yell and scream and cry and threaten, but he's done that before to more people than can be counted. We know the truth, and one day, perhaps, he'll accept it.
We aren't just the fans of Freespace, not just mission designers and modelers, coders and artists. We are Freespace, and that's something no code of law can change.
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:eek2: :nervous: :shaking: :(
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Go us.
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Well Said Eishtmo
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Bravo!
My thoughts exactly Eishtmo, I think this should be on the front page. Very well said :)
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ICH BIN EIN FREESPACER!
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You can post it as an article on the main site, if you want. ;)
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well said Eishtmo :)
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Agreed. Very well said. :nod:
:yes2::yes:
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*Gives Eishtmo a standing ovation*
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Excellent speech, Eishtmo :)
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Why the tears?
If he'll make it (do it suck or not), it'll inevitably bring a whole generation of NEW people to the world of FS.
See, HLP couldn't ask for a better pimping campaign :)
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Derek doesn't want to make FS3, he wants to destroy FS in general, like the ****ing borg, what you want to destroy isn't FS3 but the basturdiseation of it. there's got to be some law that can give us some protection, if you maintane land to can legaly clame it to be yours even if you never payed anything for it.
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he's jealous of other developers so he tries to buy something which is either successful or popular and then make a extremely rubbish sequel to make suckers cash in but that's not going to happen because we are smart.
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The grief here is reflecting the emotional turmoil boiling inside everyones head.
It is real and painful, but the net effect resulting in the external world, given some time, might still end up being positive.
This "event" doesn't have the punch to kill FS, its playing in a different league already.
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Originally posted by Bobboau
Derek doesn't want to make FS3, he wants to destroy FS in general, like the ****ing borg, what you want to destroy isn't FS3 but the basturdiseation of it. there's got to be some law that can give us some protection, if you maintane land to can legaly clame it to be yours even if you never payed anything for it.
If Derek Smart destroys FS3 - **** him.
We have Freespace 2 - the real Freespace.
Anything he could make would be but a crude imitation, no more valid than what we have already created. And all he can boast of adding is gimmicry - mouse control, planetary combat, 3d ship interiors - in short, exactly what Fs is not about.
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Originally posted by Styxx
You can post it as an article on the main site, if you want. ;)
There are articles?
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Since FS2 was developed from FS1, theres only one way to develop FS3, and we're doing it ;)
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*claps*
I love Eishtmo.
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Like I said, I am unbelievably glad that you are here with us, Eish. That simply could not have been said better. With your permission, I'll go post that on the main site as an article.
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You know, I just realised how fantastic community we have here. Almost brings tears to my eyes :)
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Originally posted by aldo_14
And all he can boast of adding is gimmicry - mouse control, planetary combat, 3d ship interiors - in short, exactly what Fs is not about.
Besides, the SCP guys can do that too ( I do want mouse control :p )
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What Mr Smart wants to do in my eyes, is attach a well known franchise to one of his piece of **** games, thereby selling more, because it's quite evident from the numerous amounts of posts he's made on the subject that he is only in this for the cash, there is no real love for either the subject matter or his job in general.
Stick to your conceptually fine but poorly executed games Derek, and don't try to rape a franchise just for money, if you genuinely believed that you could make a sequel worthy of the FS name, we would know, we would feel that from what you say, as it stands I don't think many people are convinced of your technical ability or your ability to kill the "feature creep" that plagues all your games.
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Beautifully spoken Eishtmo. I knew there was a reason I made you moderator of Writing at Warpstorm. ;)
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Excellent! I knew somebody would write an article about the rights of FreeSpace 3.
As DG once said to me on the SCP forum: This deserves two thumbs up!
:yes: :yes:
This entire FreeSpace 3 thing has been making me think for days. This eloquent post only lengthens it.
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Originally posted by Setekh
Like I said, I am unbelievably glad that you are here with us, Eish. That simply could not have been said better. With your permission, I'll go post that on the main site as an article.
Granted.
Originally posted by HeX
I knew there was a reason I made you moderator of Writing at Warpstorm.
You mean besides being the only one who wanted the job? ;)
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All I had to do was promise him booze and he made me a mod.
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Good, Eish, I agree.
And I bloody well hope the man himself reads this too.
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Beautiful, Eishtmo...
B-E-A-utiful :(
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Good post Eishimoto, this is what we need.
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Ayuh.
It's kinda interesting, though, Smart did us a favor- all those boards out there this little flamewar's been carried to? None of those people apparently knew about the SCP. Possible some will join up in the near future. The man's so universally loathed a lot of people seem interested in Hard Light no matter what now, just 'cause we're opposed to him. An ad campaign the likes of which the community here couldn't have generated had it ever tried...
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[color=66ff00]I know a lot of you will want to post stuff regarding this on other forums, keep it sane and don't forget to post links to screenies of FSO's work. You'll notice that half the people that have joined here post SCP startup are those that have been amazed by the rather fantastic graphics.
A picture paints a thousand words as they say. :nod:
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I'll need to finish what I've been working on the last few weeks, then.........