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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Starks on July 19, 2004, 12:09:46 pm
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Here's what I learned...
*Not aware of Derek Smart's intentions for FS3 until I told them, but knew who he is from his 'work'.
*:V: will scope out our community, I gave them our url.
*Interplay will either take the FS series license to hell along with the company or sell it.
*Interplay STILL holds the rights at this moment.
*:V: will be talking to Interplay, very very soon...
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U seriously found that out? YaY! :)
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This is very good news.
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You betcha! Exactly what I was hoping would happen a long time ago.
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i left a message on Pletcher's voice mail wishing them luck on talking to Interplay
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Good, good.
Who on :V: did you talk to? Just out of curiosity.
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Yeah.. I'm a little skeptical.....
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Hmmm... me too... But, theres hope.
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they're very familiar with the guys from VWatch.
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Yes!!!!
The future is a bright one :)
You made my day ;)
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Melissa was the one who answered, then she transfered me to a guy who told me he was just a programmer doing desk work currently.
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At least there is still a light at the end of the tunnel... even if it is some b****** with a torch bringing us bad news.
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Not getting my hopes up yet, but still good to hear something from :V:
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Just call them. The number is on the site.
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Great news. :yes:
Handing over the license to :V: is the best way.
Even if Derek Smart could create a good FS3 (unlikely), there is noone is better for the job than :V:. (Just a fact, cause they are the creators.)
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Let's hope the light at the end of the tunnel isn't a meson bomb blowing the node up :)
Now I want to hear it from everyone now:
If Volition makes FS3 a console game- No complaining. ;)
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This sounds good and all, but its kinda hard to verify. If V is interesting in getting their license back, im 100% for it!
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I would preorder it as soon as possible.
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Y'know.. I could live with a console FS3, for the simple fact that my X-Box is more powerful than my PC.....
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I'm with Thorn, we can still mod Fs2 ;)
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Hell, I might even buy a console specificly for the purpose of playing FS3.
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Why is this good news? Its just an absence of bad news from what I can see.
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The preference for me would be a console game AND a computer game. I'm just praying for the best right now.
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Originally posted by Rictor
Why is this good news? Its just an absence of bad news from what I can see.
So Derek doesn't destroy Fs3 in his hands, this means that we still have a chance of having a :V: Fs3 they way it was meant to be. Although, I wouldn't care if they destroyed it, just so it doesn't get it the wrong hands
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Originally posted by Rictor
Why is this good news? Its just an absence of bad news from what I can see.
*shhh* We're trying to build up an aura of false hope so that when Volition employees lurk on the HLP board they will feel obligated to purchase the liscense, otherwise they'd hurt the feelings of all of these people. :D
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Aren't most of the people at V who had input into FS and FS2 working elsewhere now? I think if it was left in the hands of people who didn't have major experience with the previous games then V might be a second choice of developer, with something like Totally Games being the best... still, I think most of us would agree that virtually any developer would be a step up from Derek Smart
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Originally posted by Rictor
Why is this good news? Its just an absence of bad news from what I can see.
It is good new, bacause Volition won't harm HLP or any other FS2 community or Mod. They could have done so already if they wanted to...
They have the real story. They know what caused the shivan problem.
Perhaps without Interplay they could create an even better game.
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I'm up for a boardgame version. Like Battlefleet Gothic... I've been toying with the idea at work for a while as well, I just cant be bothered in modding the little models...
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Originally posted by Ace
If Volition makes FS3 a console game- No complaining. ;)
Ughh, cant say the same, you guys :ick:
They wouldnt really do that, would they :shaking:
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a lot here don't remember when Dave was a constant poster, or before WildWolf became part of Volition.
people at V are very familiar with HLP and have been since the beginning.
But I'm glad to see they know about Derek's intentions.
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Well, considering we are far from in a 'pick and choose' position, it's pretty pointless saying 'XX shouldn't do it because....'
To me, the most important thing is to try and lure someone who IS going to support modders and the community, rather than finding reasons not to lure those companies.
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To be realistic, THQ owns Volition, and as we all know, they're money-grubbing corporate ass-monkies. Like so many other publishers, they don't care about good games, they care about the Benjamins. If they wanted to make FS3, they would have done so by now. They would rather make "Britney's Dance Studio 3: Like Omigod, Way Cool" than continue the Freespace series. What I'm hoping for is that some other, gamer friendly publisher, such as Ubisoft or Acitivision, will pick up the license and develop the game. As Venom said, most of the original crew is probably gone by now, so Volition might not even be the best choice, though I'm not quite sure whats going on inside the company.
Ah damn, I'm being a pessimist again. Sorry.
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Originally posted by Dark_4ce
I'm up for a boardgame version. Like Battlefleet Gothic... I've been toying with the idea at work for a while as well, I just cant be bothered in modding the little models...
Battlefleet Gothic owns on so many levels- however BfG concentrates more on a battlegroup level, whereas FS2 is built around the fighter.
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Diddnt Ubi soft get bought out by EA? EA sucks just as bad in my view. They already ruined a great company like Maxis.
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Good news:) i hope this is true:)
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and here you go.
http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,25171.0.html
now let's move on.
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No, I don't think Ubi got bought out by anyone. You may be thinking of Vivendi.
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False hope is better than no hope. This made my day.... well no, Spiderman 2 made my day, this was just something good to hear.
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Originally posted by Rictor
As Venom said, most of the original crew is probably gone by now,
Heh? I haven't even posted yet.
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Originally posted by heretic
Battlefleet Gothic owns on so many levels- however BfG concentrates more on a battlegroup level, whereas FS2 is built around the fighter.
I know. But I've been testing out some rules my buddy and I are devising to play on a fighter level. Its almost akin to Wh4k at this point, as in squadron fighting, with individual fighters grouped in squadrons of 6. It works kinda well. We just need to work on the manouvering aspects and dofighting. Right now we just havea rather boring "assault" phase in which the squadrons just duke it out. But we'd like to incorporate more dogfighting.
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Ah, sorry. It was SadisticSid. The avatar threw me off, since thats how I usually indentify people in hurry. My bad.
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Originally posted by Dark_4ce
I know. But I've been testing out some rules my buddy and I are devising to play on a fighter level. Its almost akin to Wh4k at this point, as in squadron fighting, with individual fighters grouped in squadrons of 6. It works kinda well. We just need to work on the manouvering aspects and dofighting. Right now we just havea rather boring "assault" phase in which the squadrons just duke it out. But we'd like to incorporate more dogfighting.
it's hard to incorporate dogfighting using a 2D board, but there is a tabletop fighter engine like Dogfight Over Flanders that might work.
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Originally posted by Rictor
What I'm hoping for is that some other, gamer friendly publisher, such as Ubisoft...
You wouldn't say that if you knew about a space sim project that was killed by them that was being developed by the same company who has recently brought you the biggest eye candy FPS so far this year... (note: not Doom 3, not Battlefield: Vietnam)
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Originally posted by heretic
it's hard to incorporate dogfighting using a 2D board, but there is a tabletop fighter engine like Dogfight Over Flanders that might work.
Ooh, I'll give it a check.
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I hope :V: will do something. At the very least, block DS from getting FS
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MUAHAHAHAHA!!!!! There is hope for us! A way out of this nightmare! MUAHAHA *cough cough*. I'm scaring all of you, aren't I?
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Originally posted by Dark_4ce
I know. But I've been testing out some rules my buddy and I are devising to play on a fighter level. Its almost akin to Wh4k at this point, as in squadron fighting, with individual fighters grouped in squadrons of 6. It works kinda well. We just need to work on the manouvering aspects and dofighting. Right now we just havea rather boring "assault" phase in which the squadrons just duke it out. But we'd like to incorporate more dogfighting.
Well, dogfighting... missile would work like normal shots, and you roll dices to get to shoot or make evasive actions to raise your save ( sorry, I never played BFG, so my comments are based on the 40k rules ) during assaut ( dogfight ) phase? Wouldn't work at all the way I describe it, but from there you can make adjustements, I suppose.
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(217)355-0320
Just wait until the receptionist picks up.
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Technically does Interplay even exist anymore? Or is it an Enron kind of thing?
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Originally posted by LLivingLarge
(217)355-0320
Just wait until the receptionist picks up.
I would call them but I won't unless I have to because the long distance charge (damn Cingular.)
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Originally posted by Ace
You wouldn't say that if you knew about a space sim project that was killed by them that was being developed by the same company who has recently brought you the biggest eye candy FPS so far this year... (note: not Doom 3, not Battlefield: Vietnam)
Hey, could you try being cryptic for a change? Biggest eye-candy this year, huh... Hmm, that would probably be by Crytek (FarCry) or Epic....unless you mean Imperium Galactica 3.
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Woopie!
*crosses fingers*
:D
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Originally posted by Rictor
Hey, could you try being cryptic for a change? Biggest eye-candy this year, huh... Hmm, that would probably be by Crytek (FarCry) or Epic....unless you mean Imperium Galactica 3.
It was Crytek IIRC
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Originally posted by Ace
You wouldn't say that if you knew about a space sim project that was killed by them that was being developed by the same company who has recently brought you the biggest eye candy FPS so far this year... (note: not Doom 3, not Battlefield: Vietnam)
Ubisoft also had serious money problems last year, seems better now, tho. really, if decisions like that one saved them, it's cool, coz they remain one of my favourite editors, and there's always loads of goodies for their games ( rah, PoD and it's dozens of new circuits and vehicles... "wipes tears, tries once again to make it accept his radeon, fails again" )
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Originally posted by MatthewPapa
I would call them but I won't unless I have to because the long distance charge (damn Cingular.)
It's worth the fee...
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Originally posted by Nico
Well, dogfighting... missile would work like normal shots, and you roll dices to get to shoot or make evasive actions to raise your save ( sorry, I never played BFG, so my comments are based on the 40k rules ) during assaut ( dogfight ) phase? Wouldn't work at all the way I describe it, but from there you can make adjustements, I suppose.
Yeah, thats pritty much what we will be heading towards. Missiles will give you minus saves, while normal shots work like bolters. And you get armor saves as normal. But we were thinking of just having the dogfight in the beggining to see who gets behind who. We were thinking a bit on the lines of the LOTR board game rules. That you both roll dice and the one with the highest score wins. And depending on what you fly and how good the pilot is, you get the appropriate amount of dice. Hmm. Maybe I should post this as a thread later. seems like some of you might be interested. Heheh. A Freespace mod for a boardgame. :D
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I think I am gonna give them a call later. But first I need to know what to say and how to say it. I know what I am going to try to get through to them but I don't want to sound like a pesky student complaining and hollering at their doorstep.
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WE CAN CALL VOLITION?! HOLY CRAP!
*runs to phone*
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Hey, if anyone's planning on calling Volition, see if anyone there knows any contact information for Interplay, or anyone related to Interplay. Even an addition to the outdated stuff we have might get us somewhere closer to a live number.
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Have you guys completely forgotten about www.volition-inc.com
OMFG! Just call them!
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I refuse to call overseas for something that might not even be worth it. :p, the American forumites will have to do it.
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I can't...
I can barely talk to myself without studdering :D
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Aw, hell.
I'm gonna get stuck with this, aren't I?
Dammit, I hate phones! Hate, hate, hate! Evil and loud and annoying and it's always somebody telling me I owe them money or relatives!
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Im gonna call bright and early tommorow morning. I've put together what I'm going to say. Does anyone have any other things that they wish to ask besides Interplay's contact information?
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I'll do it. :cool:
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Matt: Can't hurt to find out if they have any official plans for it. They probably won't say even if they do, but hey- it's what everybody's wondering, right? :D
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Uhmmm... your not a real people person, Tin Can :p
J/K Anybody could call :nod:
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Tin Can, just let me know when your done and what they told you so I can ask the remaining things in the morning. Until tommorow morning I am going to continue to piece together stuff to ask them.
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Matt: Just wondering, when's the morning over there? :)
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Originally posted by Stryke 9
Aw, hell.
I'm gonna get stuck with this, aren't I?
Dammit, I hate phones! Hate, hate, hate! Evil and loud and annoying and it's always somebody telling me I owe them money or relatives!
Don't think of it as calling up an professional game development company, asking them if you, a complete stranger, could maybe talk to someone "in charge" to inquire about the status of their intellectual property and if it might be possible to purchase said property using funds collected from among a motley crew of Internet fanboys....
...think of it as building your social skills.
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Ok, im done. There was no one available so I will have them call me back.
Sure Im a people person, just not online. ;)
You cant imagine how many technical support phone calls I have made about various products. Being on the phone for an hour and a half with a guy from India is no easy task.
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;)
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Hmm, ok. So i can talk my way up the line until I get close to the top. As far as timezones go i'm in the same one V is in (US Central) and morning when they prolly open will be approximately, hmmm, 15 hours. U think I should call tonight?
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Methinks this is newsworthy...
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Be patient.
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Originally posted by .::Tin Can::.
Ok, im done. There was no one available so I will have them call me back.
Sure Im a people person, just not online. ;)
You cant imagine how many technical support phone calls I have made about various products. Being on the phone for an hour and a half with a guy from India is no easy task.
LOL, I know how you feel. I bet ive logged 400+ hours with the DELL tech support guys. They prolly know me on a first name basis. Its how I initially learned about comps tho.
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Im in Central Time, so, Im right on the money for calls.;7
And Mathew, I know how you feel...
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Here's Interplay's number... (949)553-6655
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Crap, I dunno how to talk to these guys...
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When I call, should I call Interplay too if I am on a roll? I'd just better hope theyre not in India or something cause It will cost like $15 to make that call if it is. Does anyone know when they close cause I could call them tonight.
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Hehe, I HAVE DEREK'S HOUSE PHONE NUMBER!
Where did you get that info? Do you have his permission to post it? // Styxx
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He has proven to be a slippery one in the past.
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Originally posted by LLivingLarge
Here's what I learned...
*Not aware of Derek Smart's intentions for FS3 until I told them, but knew who he is from his 'work'.
*:V: will scope out our community, I gave them our url.
*Interplay will either take the FS series license to hell along with the company or sell it.
*Interplay STILL holds the rights at this moment.
*:V: will be talking to Interplay, very very soon...
I love you...
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I gonna say wise words don't call them
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Originally posted by LLivingLarge
Hehe, I HAVE DEREK'S HOUSE PHONE NUMBER!
now THAT is completly stupid.
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Originally posted by Nico
now THAT is completly stupid.
Apparently the two addresses share the number...
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Uh, yeah, don't harass Smart at home, guys.
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Originally posted by LLivingLarge
Hehe, I HAVE DEREK'S HOUSE PHONE NUMBER!
Ok, I've edited the post for now, until you show me where you got that info and that it is in fact public domain. If you got it from his registration somewhere, we shouldn't really have it here. In any event, it'll probably serve only to spark more flames.
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:V: for FS3
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Yeah, you're asking for jail time or serious fines. Don't be cocks about this, keep it "V for FS3".
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Yes, House numbers are stupid, let's keep our side professional, eh?
Personal comments won't do us much good either :(
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Ok, im leaving from work now. I might call V when I get home if ive made my mind up about what im gonna say.
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First one who calls Smart's house gets to go through Janos' porn collection - a fate worse than death.
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Good luck! Bring back 300,000 just in case we need to buy the rights!
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Okay. Lets just make sure we don't all spam [V] with phone calls.
Personally I think we should nominate one person to do it as HLP's official representative. I'm happy to do it myself but if everyone wants someone else that's fine with me.
I wouldn't mind hearing some suggestions on what people want asked though.
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Originally posted by MatthewPapa
When I call, should I call Interplay too if I am on a roll? I'd just better hope theyre not in India or something cause It will cost like $15 to make that call if it is. Does anyone know when they close cause I could call them tonight.
If it is in India, give me a head's up and I'll give 'em a call :)
Good work all, this is indeed good news :D
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I agree, Kara...
You're a good speaker, I would like you too :)
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I agree with Kara, if 15 people phone them to ask them the same thing, it's going to achieve nothing. Kara would be a good idea for this, he has excellent diplomatic skills and keeps his cool ;)
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I nominate Icefire.
Secondly, IF ANYONE CONTACTS INTERPLAY, find out about the copies of FS2:20th Anniversary Edition and the possibility of legally decompressing Freespace MVE movies.
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Yes, Kara. You are one of the more eloquent speakers here. I nominat you, as well.
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Yeah, Kara or Thunder or someone along those lines. We could always get someone with a thick accent to call them up and talk very fast. Hopefully, they'll be so confused that they'll agree to whatever it is they think the person wants, and then we gots em by the grapes....er, yup.
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And Icefire, has met some :V: people. There are actually many good nomines(SP?). But will Icefire want too?
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2 things.
1) Interplay's number has been disconnected for some time. It still is.
2) Jesus, have you people lost your minds? Can we please edit out the bull****?
3) I lied, 3 things. I actually have been trading emails with Volition for a couple weeks now on the PXO issue, can we PLEASE not deluge them with calls? They stopped answering their phone once because of such things, I'd like to actually keep the communications open this time. Or would we like a repeat of the VBB? Come on people, those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it. Use them brains. Think tact, think diplomacy. Just THINK.
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I think the slogan shall be V for FS3. :p
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Originally posted by Inquisitor
Use them brains. Think tact, think diplomacy. Just THINK.
A lot of people here forgot to do it unfortunately :sigh:
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Originally posted by Inquisitor
3) I lied, 3 things. I actually have been trading emails with Volition for a couple weeks now on the PXO issue, can we PLEASE not deluge them with calls? They stopped answering their phone once because of such things, I'd like to actually keep the communications open this time. Or would we like a repeat of the VBB? Come on people, those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it. Use them brains. Think tact, think diplomacy. Just THINK.
Agreed:)
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Originally posted by Ace
You wouldn't say that if you knew about a space sim project that was killed by them that was being developed by the same company who has recently brought you the biggest eye candy FPS so far this year... (note: not Doom 3, not Battlefield: Vietnam)
OOOH, MR. KOTTER!
Silent Space, right? Do I win anything?
By the way, any idea if that game was any good? As impressive as Far Cry turned out to be, the advance screenshots for Silent Space were kind of average.
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Originally posted by Inquisitor
3) I lied, 3 things. I actually have been trading emails with Volition for a couple weeks now on the PXO issue, can we PLEASE not deluge them with calls? They stopped answering their phone once because of such things, I'd like to actually keep the communications open this time. Or would we like a repeat of the VBB? Come on people, those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it. Use them brains. Think tact, think diplomacy. Just THINK.
I agree with this 100% which is why I said only one of us should do it. I was thinking along the lines of introducing myself (if I end up being the one who does it) by saying that I was officially nominated by the community to interview someone from [V] precisely so that they WOULDN'T be deluged with e-mails and phone calls. :)
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Tread lightly folks.
Now, if we can get LL to remove that pic and that comment, all will be right with the world.
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anyone who calls Derek Smart at home will answer to Inqui and myself - and we won't be happy
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Sounds like a challenge to me......
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If anybody gets through to Interplay, remember, you're a representative of Microsoft or some other big-name game company. If you tell them you're from some forum run by kids who obviously won't have any money, they'll hang up immediately. Tell them that your company is looking into the possibility of developing a space sim and would preferably like to license one rather than create a whole new universe. Your company has been looking at a number of licensing possibilities, such as Wing Commander or Independence War or whatnot, and the FreeSpace name came up. Ask for a price for acquiring the rights to FreeSpace, but before they answer, make sure to note that the FreeSpace name is not very valuable considering that the games never sold many copies. Your company probably wouldn't be willing to pay more than $100-150 grand [you want to drive down the value of buying the rights if possible].
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:lol:
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:lol: tempting
Yep, come on peeps, you don't have to dig very deep to get my opinon on this, put we've just pulled up from one stuka dive, let's not get into another? Please? For Freespace? Or at least for a decent nights sleep ;)
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What's the HTML for a glowing blue ":V: for FS3" sig?
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If I get thru to Interplay, I will be myself. But that particular contact number is disconnected.
Anyone who engages in illegal harrassment gets what the deserve. If you want to be a twat, only the local constabulary knocking on your door will wake you up. Good luck in life, brain dead behavior like that will get you far.
Smooth attitude.
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Originally posted by LLivingLarge
What's the HTML for a glowing blue ":V: for FS3" sig?
[glow=blue] [ /glow ]
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We need a slogan poster... something to start a riot with if we have to protest in front of Volition or THQ.
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Originally posted by Rictor
We could always get someone with a thick accent to call them up and talk very fast. Hopefully, they'll be so confused that they'll agree to whatever it is they think the person wants, and then we gots em by the grapes....er, yup.
Definitely Kara, then. :D
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Originally posted by .::Tin Can::.
We need a slogan poster... something to start a riot with if we have to protest in front of Volition or THQ.
What we need is for people to shut the **** up and calm down. All this "DEREKSMART FNU DIE BLAHBLAHBLAH FS3 N00BS" bull**** is really getting on my nerves. You all sound like a bunch of immature children.
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Jesus christ cant you take a joke?
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Now you BOTH got the word to each other, shut up!?
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Originally posted by Geezer
Definitely Kara, then. :D
Arrggg. What's was that?
*pulls knife out of back*
Et tu Geezer?
*dies*
:D
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Yeah, like the last 72 hours have been FULL of humour.
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Anything new happen over the weekend?
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Yeah, like the last 72 hours have been FULL of humour.
Actually they have. At least I found it funny. But seriously, with everyone being full of sarcasm I'd expect it to be taken lightly.
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Ok guys, I'm home, do u still want me to call and attempt to work my way to the top or have you someone else in mind.
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We all make mistakes ;)
Matt: It's disconnected. Try it for yourself ;)
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I'm going to still try and get through to interplay.
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Originally posted by .::Tin Can::.
Jesus christ cant you take a joke?
That wasnt aimed specifically at you.. it was just the "we need part" I was after.
Uttering the words Derek Smart or FS3 seem to set everyone off. Everyone starts howling. Its annoying and it has to stop.
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Wasnt it Derek Smart who invented flaming?
But simply saying that "Derek Smart is the cause of all our of hatred" is not a good reason to blow up on me like that... :doubt:
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No, you was here before him :p
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Hehe, I probably made everyone's day with the news I delivered...
I kind of think of myself as a ****ed up animal at times... A "Suicidal Rodent" (aka, lemming) or a "Fertile Catfish"
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Well, let's just let it rest as a misunderstanding, and go our own ways for now, arguing about it will achieve negative results :(
Don't make me get out the Big Voice ;) hehehehehehe
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Well you made my day. It made me happy.
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So, we get someone like Icefire to make the call later then. BTW, V must have gotten some kind of heads up on the incoming deluge of calls (possibly from this forum.) That could be a good sign they are indeed checking into the community..... Lets hope they make the right choice!
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This thread has become spam and has been locked as such. If anyone has anything of value they want to post here, please contact myself or another admin and ask that it be unlocked so that a proper conversation can continue.
In addition if anyone attempts to make use of Dereks phone numer, address or other details - no matter how they got hold of them, understand this.
You will be on your own.
It frightens me that some of you would make such serious attempts to find details about him, and no doubt any legal action bought around by harassing him in his own home or via telephone / other electronic form will not be looked kindly upon by him or by the proper authorities.
As such, Hard Light Productions will want nothing to do with you.
You're crossing the line here people - I understand the feeling of negativity toward him after things kicked off - but there is no cause whatsoever to make use of his personal details.
As I said, HLP will want nothing to do with anyone who attempts to use his details. We are a community website for the enjoyment of the Freespace franchise - and it seems some people have forgotten that.
Now I trust none of you are so stupid as to attempt to make use of his personal details. You are now aware of our position regarding this.
That is all.