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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Fineus on July 19, 2004, 05:48:40 pm
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In a (vague) continuation from this thread (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,25349.0.html), it seems you (or the majority) want to contact Volition and require a representative for this task.
First, a few things that I wish to emphasize.
1: The chosen representative will be contacting Volition for the community, not for Hard Light Productions. You will not represent us - but rather the community in general and their overall wishes/concerns...
2: The community will put together this message, or some points they want bought up. They too will not represent HLP as a website - but the FreeSpace community.
3: One person will do this thing. I can just imagine how irritated Volitions employees would become if they were flooded with calls from the community. Now is not the time to annoy them, but to try and get some sort of a reply. You stand a better chance of this if you have one person step forward for all - rather than 15 all asking similar but slightly different questions.
4: Volitions contact details will be treated with the greatest of respect. They are a business and, while in the games industry there can be a blurring of the line between them and their fans - they must still be respected as such. You do not act certain ways towards your bank or your peers at work - so you will not act these ways to Volition.
With this in mind, the objective of this thread is to talk amongst yourselves and choose a suitable candidate to contact Volition. If you cannot stick to the topic then this thread will be locked.
With that in mind, good luck.
Edit / Update: While honored that you might suggest me - there's no way I can afford to call the US from England, I suggest you find someone who can either afford it - or for preference lives in the United States.
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:)
Karajorma?
Icefire?
Setekh?
Thunder?
Admin?
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Me. ME! PICK ME!
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I'd like to volunteer... I also got through on Friday just as they were leaving for the night.
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I'm for Karajorma, Yourself or Inquisitor.
Basically anyone who can remember that we are in no position to demand things, only to inqure and request :)
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I've already said I'm willing to do this.
I've had very little contact with [V] personally though so if someone who has wants to step up I won't complain :)
Plus since I live in the UK it would be better for my phone bill :D
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Karajorma! He rox! And he's patient!
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Icefire or Ace, coz they're already in friendly terms with them, and they know their stuff too. Additionally, they're both able to keep their cool (unlike me, for exemple ).
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Originally posted by jdjtcagle
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Karajorma?
Icefire?
Setekh?
Thunder?
Admin?
I say either Icefire or Karajorma although all of the canidates u mentioned are worthy.
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Icefire, he knows the guys over there better than most of us.
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IceFire
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Lets wait and here what he has to say :)
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I think that Adam (Ace) or Colin (IceFire) should make this call. I really respect these two guys and they would represent the FS community very well.
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While we're here what should Icefire (or me if he refuses) ask?
Obviously number 1 question is if they really are in contact with Interplay to aquire the license (and if they say no I guess I should ask them if they would tell me lies if they were :D ).
Getting a contact number for interplay would be useful I suppose.
What else needs to be said?
I guess their opinions on the whole Derek Smart matter would be interesting regardless of whether they are in talks or not. Certainly sounds worth asking them if they would co-operate with Derek Smart if he did get the license.
I've mentioned the idea using the "Buy the FS2 Licence" money we hope to raise as a part payment to a developer. Worth mentioning that?
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I never managed to visit Volition in person, so IceFire I'd say would be the best bet.
If Wildwolf was actively lurking and interested in some 'community service' he, I think, would be an even better choice (no offense Ice) because he worked there for a while.
Inquisitor would be another good choice, but I think that people who have actually been with Volition or visited with them would be best.
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LLivingLarge seeing as he's contacted Volition before :yes:
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WildWolf is about. He posted earlier today actually :D
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My vote is either for IceFire, or indeed Steak. Although everyone's right in that list has a good group of candidates.
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Thanks for all the nominations. I've been getting them on ICQ as well :)
Way to make my busiest of weeks even crazier. Let me talk to a few people before anything else is said. So neither a yes or a no from me yet. Keep talking :)
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Allright, now we are getting somewhere. He's got the "connections."
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errr, I pull a John Kerry and support whoever everyone decides upon. Kara, Icefire and Steak are all good choices, though Icefire and Steak might not want to shoulder the cost of calling internationally.
Am I the only one who is in favour of drafting some sort of manifesto for the whole FS3/Derek Smart/Volition/Interplay situation? If no one does it, I'll probably come up with somrthing in the next few days.
edit: my bad, all the above mentioned people live outside the US, including Kara.
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Id vote for Icefire or Setekh due to their professional nature in handling conversations.
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Setekh or IceFire or WildWolf.
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It seems icefire is winning...
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IceFire, Ace, Orange, Inquisitor.
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Originally posted by neo_hermes
LLivingLarge seeing as he's contacted Volition before :yes:
IceFire, Dynamo, Orange, or Remora since they've visited Volition before...
i'd nominate myself or someone close to them, since so far of all the people mentioned (Setekh = Australia, IceFire = Canada) i'm the only one that could contact Volition without paying long-distance call charges... perhaps you guys had better think of them too, and how much they'd have to pay (particularly Setekh, a call around the world would be a fortune) to speak to Volition. someone local would be the best bet... or someone with unlimited long-distance calling.
as long as the person is respectful, they'd hardly have to be patient, since they're talking to Volition, who are our allies ;) and everyone likes them :D
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Hey... Adam P. just got back to me with some questions I had about the story line from FS2...
*sniping a bunch of questions *
And lastly, the one that everyone wants to know...
(10) Would you be willing to make FS3 if given the rights to it? :-)
I assume you mean "you" in the studio-wide sense. As such, I can't speak for the studio by saying we're willing or unwilling to do anything. There's certainly some personal attachment to the FreeSpace series here, but that's just one factor. We pick projects based on a wide variety of factors.
I don't know anything specific regarding Derek Smart and FS3, so I can't offer anything useful there.
- Adam
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Icefire seems pretty commited. I dont think he'll mind the long distance charges as long as he gets to say what he wants to say. BTW, Stealth is a pretty usable candidate as well.
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Originally posted by ubermetroid
I assume you mean "you" in the studio-wide sense. As such, I can't speak for the studio by saying we're willing or unwilling to do anything. There's certainly some personal attachment to the FreeSpace series here, but that's just one factor. We pick projects based on a wide variety of factors.
I don't know anything specific regarding Derek Smart and FS3, so I can't offer anything useful there.
- Adam
Sounds like a nice way of saying "We do what THQ tells us".
:doubt: :doubt:
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And Steak's already going to end up heading a lot of stuff, no need to pile more on one person than is really necessary.
AND he's not here right now.
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Yea, we need to get someone whose here today. This situation has the chance to develop very rapidly (already has somewhat.)
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Is everyone discounting Shrike in this? While i think that all of the aforementioned candidates are great choices and would represent us well, let's not leave anyone else out of the discussion. Styxx lives way down south in Brazil, and i don't know where Shrike lives, but i would think that either of them fit in nicely with the group mentioned. To be perfectly honest my vote goes to Ace. He knows them AND has heard first hand from Derek Smart.
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Methinks Shrike could give a ****.
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Rictor: Which is perfectly true, and normal for any subsidiary. If THQ says "no", then THQ is their employer. I doubt any of 'em are willing to quit over vague hypotheticals.
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What about Bob or Eish? Don't they live within "local call" range? :D
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To, what is it, Illinois?
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hey where is THQ at?
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Originally posted by Stealth
IceFire, Dynamo, Orange, or Remora since they've visited Volition before...
i'd nominate myself or someone close to them, since so far of all the people mentioned (Setekh = Australia, IceFire = Canada) i'm the only one that could contact Volition without paying long-distance call charges... perhaps you guys had better think of them too, and how much they'd have to pay (particularly Setekh, a call around the world would be a fortune) to speak to Volition. someone local would be the best bet... or someone with unlimited long-distance calling.
as long as the person is respectful, they'd hardly have to be patient, since they're talking to Volition, who are our allies ;) and everyone likes them :D
That was a cheap shot...
BTW, is this gonna be a face to face contact?
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Surely not, which ever one gets it cheap and doesn't mind doing it, they can easily decide. :)
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my vote:
1. an0n :nervous:
2. Icefire ;)
3. Tiara :shaking:
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But will this be a physical meeting?
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can't answer that...
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Lol, I could drive there but my parents would think I am a little nuts.
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OK, so far this is the tally, i'm just gunna lay the top 5 out there.
Icefire--17
Karajorma--5
Setekh--5
Ace--4
Inquisitor--3
I guess we have spoken. so if for some reason ice decides against it, i say we just let Kara and steak figure out which of them wants to do it, if either.
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Originally posted by Stealth
i'd nominate myself or someone close to them, since so far of all the people mentioned (Setekh = Australia, IceFire = Canada) i'm the only one that could contact Volition without paying long-distance call charges... perhaps you guys had better think of them too, and how much they'd have to pay (particularly Setekh, a call around the world would be a fortune) to speak to Volition. someone local would be the best bet... or someone with unlimited long-distance calling.
Not to be petty, but long-distance charges within the US are hardly worth quibbling over -- internationally, it's more of any issue (as is the time difference).
But unless you plan on being on the phone for twelve hours solid, this should be worth the three bucks it will cost to make the call, whether they're in Boston or LA. If the supported nominee can't/won't pay that, send me a bill and I'll gladly cover it :D
No offense intended, Stealth.
I'll refrain from nominating/supporting anyone since I haven't been active here for a long, long time. But I'm more than willing to add my opinion ;)
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I'd have 3 top coices, no real order, but each with a reason:
karajorma; because he's profound and respected
Icefire; he's actually met them, and knows them best
Bobbaou; he's very local (both Illinois IIRC) so calling shouldn't be extremely hard, and easier face to face if required...
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Trying to do this via internet medium rather than phone medium so as not to break the bank. I'm also due for weekend leadership training session/camping and vacation...so this is not a good time.
Still doing what I can. See what comes.
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Originally posted by IceFire
Trying to do this via internet medium rather than phone medium so as not to break the bank. I'm also due for weekend leadership training session/camping and vacation...so this is not a good time.
Still doing what I can. See what comes.
Is phone-phreaking out of the question?
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Go back to sleep.
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*sniff* only 3 votes *sniff*
Only advice, apart from my existing requests.
Keep your strong suit. Ask as the press. Ask as a representative of HLP about the state of the state. You got no clout as just a community member.
That being said, Icefire is probably the guy to make a call like that, unless you think PlanetDescent should be bugging Volition ;)
And for you folks in North America: If your cell phone doesn't give you free long distance, you are getting ripped off ;)
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What is this "cell phone" you speak of?
Really, phones are bad enough already. Why would you pay extra and court a brain tumor for the specific purpose of never being able to get away from one again, ever?
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We can't afford cell phones, we are too busy buying up all of the modelling and texturing programs we see
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Icefire
Setekh
Thunder
though Icefire is the only one who realy could do it from a practical point of view, he does live on the same contenent as V after all.
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Icefire.
Karajoma.
Setekh.
Thunder.
preferably anyone who knows where the V center is and can get there.
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though Icefire is the only one who realy could do it from a practical point of view, he does live on the same contenent as V after all.
:lol:
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thinking abour it a bit more, Inqisitor would probly be as good if not slightly better, becase he is a gamedev himself (a _real_ gamedev).
so to me it's prety much Icefire, becase of his extensive exsisting relationship with V,
or Inquisitor due to his general experience in the gameing world, and he also has an exsisting relation ship with V that is more profesional,
WildWolf has been MIA for the last few years, so I on't thinkhe would realy work as a good leason between us and V, but the fact that he worked there is defenately a plus, but I think we'd have an easier chance of finding someone from V themselves than WW
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Icefire, due to having actually met the guys at V. i think a familiar face with them would be advantageous,
if not ice, then, Iquisitor..
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Inquisitor
IceFire
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Don't worry about the phone costs for me too much. My girlfriend is currently working in America. When you make 30 mins worth of calls to the states a day a twenty or thirty minute chat with [V] will barely show up :D
I've got a very good long distance deal to the States anyway thanks to the phone company.
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Inquisitor
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IceFire
Inquisitor
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LOL
Well, my own opinion is that if we want to make Enquiries, we need an Inquisitor ;)
Does Planet Descent still have close ties to Volition, a 3rd Party inquiry 'might' be the best way to go to get a response?
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We need conclude this vote soon or the call will never be made....
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IceFire, we're not letting you off so easily. :D
Inquisitor if Colin is unavailable. :)
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Curious, if we have an ex-Volition employee among us, (assuming he's willing), then why on earth suggest someone else? No offense IceFire, or the others, but having a Volition ex-employee doing the lobbying would be the ultimate...
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Odin over at NMA said that Herve Caen's email address is [email protected]
Not sure if it still works though.
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Its probably a good point that an ex-employee would probably the best possible person to do the job. Attempting to get ahold of him. I'm totally swamped with other non-related activities so it may be better for someone with a bit more (a bit) time to persue this more fully. I won't even be around much for the next couple of weeks.
Aside from who does the contacting. Whate the exact general consensus? Is the community at large (note: Not HLP) position be that they would like to have Volition, the original creator, with the rights to the franchise?
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I cannot speak for others, but my own opinion is that if a FS3 MUST happen, then it should happen from a company that will support Modding and Mission Design. That has been a sale point of the Freespace series from the very top, Volition have always leaned on that side of things, have always understood the importance of a central core of fans.
As long as it is produced by a reputable company that will uphold this tradition, and will allow us the freedom of expression that has produced such diverse mods as we have now, I will be happy :)
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We should be getting media coverage on Planet Descent...
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Well, at least all of my friends in Houston that play FS2 all agree that V should make some kind of FS3. I couldn't say for sure about the community as a whole. However, we here at HLP probably make up the majority of the FS community and whatever we decide will probably be the same as anyone else. Has anyone considered that maybe it would just be sufficient for V to make a mission disk (kind of like Silent Threat for FS1) and have it utilize all of the advancements of the SCP?
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Why not, at the end of the day, that's more or less what they did with Freespace 1 to make Freespace 2 :)
Edit : Seriously though, I don't think basing a game on open source code would be Volitions cup of tea :)
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How would you know? They released the source code didn't they? What were they expecting? We now have a chance to return the favor.
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The main thing I want in FS3 is for V's plot to be used, not someone else's.
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WildWolf (unless he's on bad terms or something)
IceFiar
I could - long-distance from Israel is both cheap and impressive ("Dudes, we just got a phone call from ISRAEL!" :p) - but alas, I'm not nearly as good on the phone as I am in writing/typing. :doubt:
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Even better to be honest :) Shows that Freespace has support from people as far away as Israel, that'd make quite an impression if you ask me ;)
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Originally posted by Bobboau
WildWolf has been MIA for the last few years, so I on't thinkhe would realy work as a good leason between us and V, but the fact that he worked there is defenately a plus, but I think we'd have an easier chance of finding someone from V themselves than WW
Dude I'm right here.
:confused:
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I nominate Setekh.
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Originally posted by WildWolf
Dude I'm right here.
:confused:
lol :D
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The question WildWolf is are you willing to call [V] up and ask this stufff. :)
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I can't figure out what exactly you want to know. Maybe I just missed it?
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Look here if you missed it.
http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,25349.msg507689.html#msg507689
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I might give :V: another call today. Should I?
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Basically
1. Is Volition in talks to aquire the FS3 (or entire Freespace series) license.
1a. If they say no would they lie to us if they were :D
2. What do Volition think of Derek Smart's attempt to get hold of the license/are they willing to help him by turning over what they have sketched out of the plotline.
3. If [V] aren't interested do they have a current contact number for Interplay.
Originally posted by LLivingLarge
I might give :V: another call today. Should I?
I'd prefer it if you didn't. The whole point of this thread was to name one person to do it from now on and WildWolf looks amenable to doing it.
We don't want to pester [V] for details any more than we have to.
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Originally posted by karajorma
Basically
1. Is Volition in talks to aquire the FS3 (or entire Freespace series) license.
1a. If they say no would they lie to us if they were :D
2. What do Volition think of Derek Smart's attempt to get hold of the license/are they willing to help him by turning over what they have sketched out of the plotline.
3. If [V] aren't interested do they have a current contact number for Interplay.
1. As far as I was told, no, not yet.
1a. Dunno.
2. They know who who he is and his past works, they only learned of his plans yesterday when I told them.
3. Didn't ask them, but Interplay is still owner of the rights.
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The only thing I can do with that is debunk it. I am pretty sure LLivingLarge did not speak to anyone at Volition. For instance, noone named Melissa works there and no programmer at Volition ever does "desk work."
- Volition, I am sure, is aware of what Derek Smart, PhD is up to. Derek is well known around the Volition offices because of his past comments regarding Freespace 2. Even the receptionist knows who Derek Smart, PhD is. If Derek Smart wants to buy the FS license, and is saying it publicly, Volition has heard about it (and probably laughed about it).
- V is already aware of HLP - particularly the Source Code Project.
- Obviously Interplay will either take the license to hell or sell it. What else can they do with it?
Furthermore, I am sure noone at Volition is crazy enough to make comments about this kind of thing, _especially_ if Volition is pursuing the license, which I am not saying they are. This is like the whole E3 thing where someone quoted a Volition guy - noone at Volition actually said that.
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Originally posted by WildWolf
The only thing I can do with that is debunk it. I am pretty sure LLivingLarge did not speak to anyone at Volition. For instance, noone named Melissa works there and no programmer at Volition ever does "desk work."
- Volition, I am sure, is aware of what Derek Smart, PhD is up to. Derek is well known around the Volition offices because of his past comments regarding Freespace 2. Even the receptionist knows who Derek Smart, PhD is. If Derek Smart wants to buy the FS license, and is saying it publicly, Volition has heard about it (and probably laughed about it).
- V is already aware of HLP - particularly the Source Code Project.
- Obviously Interplay will either take the license to hell or sell it. What else can they do with it?
Furthermore, I am sure noone at Volition is crazy enough to make comments about this kind of thing, _especially_ if Volition is pursuing the license, which I am not saying they are. This is like the whole E3 thing where someone quoted a Volition guy - noone at Volition actually said that.
How dare you call me a liar...
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Hmm, so ur saying its a phony statement eh?
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Originally posted by karajorma
1. Is Volition in talks to aquire the FS3 (or entire Freespace series) license.
1a. If they say no would they lie to us if they were :D
2. What do Volition think of Derek Smart's attempt to get hold of the license/are they willing to help him by turning over what they have sketched out of the plotline.
3. If [V] aren't interested do they have a current contact number for Interplay.
1. It's hard to say. I will ask.
1a. They might not be allowed to say. They wouldn't lie, but they might give the brush off and say "no comment"
2. Comedy. I can't speak for Volition, obviously, but unofficially noone would like it if Derek Smart, PhD got the FS license.
3. Probably not. If they did they probably would not divulge it. Apparently none of Interplay's numbers work (i just tried calling) and I don't think V would get updated numbers, if Interplay even got new phone lines.
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Originally posted by LLivingLarge
How dare you call me a liar...
Well it sounds pretty fishy. Why would someone tell you their name is Melissa? Also what programmer did you speak to? Also the receptionist would not forward you to a programmer if you called asking to talk to someone about fs3.
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Even if it is all a lie, the bottom line is that we need to find out if V is actively looking into buying the FS liscense.
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And, as Inquisitor said, he has been in Email discussions with [V].
I know it's hard to just sit back and do effectively nothing, but I really am beginning to think that, at this stage of the proceedings, nothing is 100% exactly the right thing to be doing.
WW is right, we are not privy to the action of large companies, nor will they make us so, we don't know what is going on, so acting on what we think is going on could be utterly fatal.
[V] are aware, be it before or after LL's phonecall, let's just wait and see what people who already have lines of communication can find out :D
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OK cool down people, I don't want to close down another thread just beacuse of two poeple, if you want to discuss who is a liar or not, do it over PM or ICQ.
If anyone should speak to Volition it should be someone who used to work there, thatwhy Todd is the one who should get in contact with them if he chooses to do so.
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Originally posted by Flipside
[V] are aware, be it before or after LL's phonecall, let's just wait and see what people who already have lines of communication can find out :D
aaaaannnd the waiting is killing us..:p
i personally would like word from [V], either officially or unofficially.. it'd be nice to know what they're doing. or their opinion.
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sorry did not intend to derail the thread.
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ROFL The wait's killing me too, but theres nothing worse than premature consultation ;)
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Originally posted by Turnsky
aaaaannnd the waiting is killing us..:p
Hey I been dead since FS1 did come out I did get shock
it was that good;) .
WildWolf: you did have something to say and you said it
I trust your info:)
Edit: this was attempt to chill some of you
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Oh my... I think that my brain just melted from information overload.
Anyways, if :V: is interested in FS3, I would like to make a one, small, respectful and reasonable suggestion [possible subject in the talks with :V:]:
IIRC, :V: makes console games recently. While they do port those games to PC, they are plagued by a small and unavoidable problem - they are console games, and PC can do FAR better than consoles when used to their full potential. However, the console games sell, and :V: is in it for profit, just like any company. It's logical. It would be silly to just say "No! Don't do a console game! I beg you!" when it could generate profits and be helpful to the future of FS.
Therefore, I would like to propose one thing that would combine the best of the both worlds: do it in the same way as Valve is doing it, and make an awesome PC game, using cutting-edge technology and all of the PC capabilities. This will make PC users happy, and they will not be angry that they have to play a console game on their PCs when PCs can do so much more. [the keyboard alone makes sure of that in case of a space sim]
Then you port it to the consoles, optimising the controls and the graphics to them, along with the slight changes to the gameplay. [gamepad should do fine as a controller for a fighter]
So, in a review - what could be gained with this method:
-a real PC game, not a console port that will not be as good as a dedicated PC game. Firewarrior is a fine example of the fact that console games DO NOT port well to PC. This will make PC players happy, and you will have the advantage of large and loyal fanbase. [HLP, for example]
-a console game that is optimised for this market. Console players are happy, and not at the cost of PC players. Double profit!
In a result, you manage to satisfy both very important gaming groups, as both get a good game - PC players get a good PC game, and console players get a good console game, as opposed to "console players get a good console game and PC players get an average PC game". This, of course, depends on the assumption that the game is good, but I have high hopes about that.
Coop would be, obviously, present, just like the mission editor [possibly in both versions, the console one saving the missions on memory cards or something like that]. Another selling points, as coop is a big thing on the consoles, and FS series has a long tradition of coop missions. A mission editor would also be a unique thing.
Geomod for ships would kick much ass. It would be a good question to ask: "Can geomod be used in a space sim?"
I know that this is a bit premature and silly to suggest something as drastic to a serious game developer when I am just a fairly obscure forumite, but I hope that in the incredibly happy situation where something comes out of it this idea will be considered. [by that time we will also see if it works, because, as I said, Valve is doing it with HL2]
EDIT: to clear things up: I mention this because so far, AFAIK, only Valve has thought of this, and it is, IMO, an excellent idea to satisfy both PC and console gamers, and maintain good quality on both platforms. I am no developer, thought, and I am not sure how well would that float. I also mention this in this thread, because it would be a good thing to suggest before anything real is done, IOW, when it still could, in theory, matter, and let :V: think about it.
The possible presentation of the question:
"Would it be possible to make FS3 a PC game first and then port it to the consoles, and not in the reverse?"
Sorry for the grammar, English is not my first language.
It also depends on Volition's interest in making FS3 at all, but that can be "probed" earlier.
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WildWolf do you not work at V anymore... i just got that general impression....
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let's not get into the whole console thing, Vmakeing it console only is better than Dr Smart makeing it at all (if for no reason other than V won't crush us like insects)
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I do not work at Volition anymore. It's been over a year. Though I am still frequently in contact with my friends, who work at Volition. Well, most of them. Others have moved onto other companies and projects. But I have moved to Dayton, OH to go to film school.
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Originally posted by Bobboau
let's not get into the whole console thing, Vmakeing it console only is better than Dr Smart makeing it at all (if for no reason other than V won't crush us like insects)
yeah, we'll cross that console laden bridge if/when we have to.
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Originally posted by Bobboau
let's not get into the whole console thing, Vmakeing it console only is better than Dr Smart makeing it at all (if for no reason other than V won't crush us like insects)
Ahh, but I have no problems at all with it begin made for the consoles, as :V: ports it's console games to PC anyways. I just think that this way, both PC players and console players will get the best that they can get on their respective platforms. I have nothing against consoles, it is just that current consoles can not beat high-end PC when it comes to space sims. I would still buy FS3 if it was a port from a console.
And I agree about Mr. Smart in this case. I have yet to play any of his games, but he certainly does seem to be a major asshole.
Another idea: what about ground missions? Would such thing be possible?
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Todd's the one who got me in touch with them. I have been asking about SCP related stuff, PXO concerns, that sort of thing. As I settle that, I will inquire as appropriate about other things. If someone else is "nominated" let them do it. Everyone calling will just piss people off that we shouldn't be pissing off. It costs money to answer the phone.
However, it sounds like we got pretty straightforward, believeable answers from Todd, in about as an offical capacity as "concerned fans" are likely to get.
The whole press community has been trying to get comments from Interplay for months. They get what they are given. And that's all, we're not going to get anything but directed to a press release if we DO manage to get an Interplay rep on the phone. Even saying please won't help.
A big dose of "go play a game" is in order here. Want to help? Paly some FSO and help us find bugs. That's a constructive use of energy, and will actually accomplish something, and improve the game you love.
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I'd say Icefire, Inquisitor, or Ace.
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Originally posted by WildWolf
I do not work at Volition anymore. It's been over a year. Though I am still frequently in contact with my friends, who work at Volition. Well, most of them. Others have moved onto other companies and projects. But I have moved to Dayton, OH to go to film school.
Even so, if you're in constant contact with them, then you're the prime canditate. Depends on werther or not you have time/**** like that.
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It's great seeing all this stuff pan out. I missed pretty much all the early modding stuff (infrequent vists to VBB not withstanding)
I didn't think anyone from V (ex or current) paid any attention to FS anymore.
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I'm so glad that I was able to finally give back to the FS2 community and HLP... I never expected my phonecall would lead to a mobilization of the community to send reps to :V:...
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I'd say that things are as well in hand as they should be. So while I appreciate the groundswell of support for me to speak to them I believe all that we're ever going to get has just been achieved.
As I have said...if they are doing something about we'll get no-comment, if they aren't...we'll get no comment. All we can do is tell them what we feel. That may be better expressed by a simple note on a website.
I trust WildWolfs judgement on this as well. He's been in this community just as long as I have and he's worked there and knows more about these things than I do. So I will follow his lead for this.
Besides, I've got 10 billion other problems to deal with :D
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So, you think we should just leave it as it is right now? Sounds OK to me.
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Sure, fine with me ;)
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I don't think anyone would have thought of sending a rep to :V: until I called yesterday.
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well seeing as all three primary nomenies are in agreement that no further atempt should be made to contact V I think that's a fairly conclusive point.
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Icefire of Wildwolf. Preferably Wildwolf if he actually worked there, he would have connections.
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I know my vote doesn't matter that much since I lurk and test a lot more than I post, but....
I vote for Wildwolf. Hopefully, he's got connections and can put them to work. :)
Oh yeah, anything > Derek Smart.
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Thanks for the nods, guys, but sadly it is impractical if we are going over the phone for me to fulfil this position. Most of you have cottoned onto that anyway, so it's okay. I would go for Ice, WW, or Inq myself. :)
And WildWolf, cheers for hanging around and being helpful. It's deeply appreciated. :nod:
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Soooooooooo....are we still planning something?
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There may be new developments in this area, yeah. Should know within a day.
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Indeed. Nothing to be worried about, though.
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Intresting...... hhhmmm
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Originally posted by Sandwich
There may be new developments in this area, yeah. Should know within a day.
Well, if V reads our official statement something might happen.
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Freespace 3 as launch title for Xenon (XBOX2) oh man that would rock....:eek2:
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Just bide your time. It is good news I speak of, FYI. :)
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*cries with joy*
can't wait!!!!.....
*passes out*
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Originally posted by Sandwich
Just bide your time. It is good news I speak of, FYI. :)
Interesting.. But i don't hope anything let see
A) Smart don't get licence( I knew from start somehow so I didn't bother with that argument)
B) Volition is going for licence ( and it's up Console game because of THQ )
C ) HLP is going have party:D
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PaRtY!!!! :D
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[q]Freespace 3 as launch title for Xenon (XBOX2) oh man that would rock...[/q]
*smacks HIG with a PC joystick* No. It. Wouldn't.
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Originally posted by vyper
[q]Freespace 3 as launch title for Xenon (XBOX2) oh man that would rock...[/q]
*smacks HIG with a PC joystick* No. It. Wouldn't.
Geez it was joke.....:)
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Would FS3 be a system-raper like Doom 3?
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Would you care? It'd be FS3. I'd upgrade to PCIX just for fs3! :p
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Doom3 is pure art looks very nice effects and wohooo
I'am going get it and run full details
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Originally posted by vyper
Would you care? It'd be FS3. I'd upgrade to PCIX just for fs3! :p
PCI-X wouldn't get you very far with any game...
Perhaps a pwning is in order...
PCI, PCI-X, and PCI-Express
Basic PCI Bus Specifications
33.33MHz clock with synchronous transfers
peak transfer rate of 133MB per second
32-bit bus width
32-bit address space (4G bytes)
3.3 volt or 5 volt signalling
reflected-wave switching
Basic PCI Variants
PCI 2.2, allows for 64-bit bus widths and/or 66MHz signalling (peak transfer 533 MB/s)
PCI-X, 64-bit version of 2.2 that increases the data rate to 133MHz (peak transfer 1066 MB/s)
PCI-X 266 (or PCI-X DDR), "double-pumped" PCI-X for 266MHz rates (peak transfer 2133 MB/s)
Mini PCI
Compact PCI, uses Eurocard-sized modules using PCI as a backplane
PCI-Express
PCI-Express (formerly known as 3GIO for 3rd Generation I/O) is a new implementation of the PCI computer bus that uses existing PCI programming concepts and communications standards, but bases it on a much faster serial communications system. It is being supported primarily by Intel, who started working on the standard as the Arapahoe project after pulling out of the InfiniBand system.
PCI-Express is intended to be used as a local bus only. Due to it being based on the existing PCI system, cards and systems can be converted to PCI-Express by changing the physical layer only – existing systems could be re-booted on PCI-Express and never even know it. The higher speeds on PCI-Express allow it to replace almost all existing internal buses, including AGP and PCI, and Intel envisions a single PCI-Express controller talking to all external devices, as opposed to the current northbridge/southbridge solution in current machines.
PCI-Express is not, however, fast enough to be used as a memory bus. In this respect it is at a distinct disadvantage to the similar HyperTransport which can be used for this role as well. In addition PCI-Express does not offer the flexibility of the InfiniBand system, which has similar performance, but can be used for both internal and external buses.
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Alright, *****, I meant PCI Express and used the X as a convenient abbreviation.
Shuck ma boaby. :p
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PCI-E is the abbreviation.
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Ok, jeez, guys - it's fair to middling good news, not "run out to the computer store, Volition's FS3 is on shelves now!!!!1123" good news. Calm down. ;)
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Yay!!! Freespace 3 and Volition together!!!
Wait what was that :p
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Originally posted by Inquisitor
And for you folks in North America: If your cell phone doesn't give you free long distance, you are getting ripped off ;)
Sorry, my dad gets my plan through the company, he pays $15 a month.. we pay practically a dollar a minute for any call.
Edit: I just noticed, I've been registered over three years and racked up only 631 posts. ^-^
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*ahem* (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,25559.0.html)
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"something's only worth what you can get for it when you ned the money"
or something like that...(ie; if only DS makes an offer Interplay just might take it up)
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I think I need to quit taking vacations....
Dear God, so much has happened in the last week since I was really able to browse the forums.
I'm still not quite sure what exactly is going on with this whole mess, so I'm going to post what few pieces I've managed to put together. I'm really asking for a serious answer here, guys.
1. Derek Smart announces he's trying to acquire the liscense for FS. Interestingly, he does it at Adrenaline Vault, not here or at GS, even though this and SectorGame are the only real FS communities left that I know of.
2. We react... badly. I'm still not entirely sure why, but it has something to do with his previous works and stated intentions for FS3 (battleship sim...?).
3. Things blow up and Smart threatens to have us shut down and sued.
4. Someone (LivingLarge?) contacts Volition, and we find out that they're also trying to get the liscense from Interplay and will probably try to develop a console game from it. Interplay itself is notably silent.
Is this whole mess correct or not? Also, could I get some elaboration on the part about Volition developing another FS game?
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Part 4 is not right. :V: has NOT stated they are trying to get the liscense... Thats only wishfull thinking.
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Originally posted by ubermetroid
Part 4 is not right. :V: has NOT stated they are trying to get the liscense... Thats only wishfull thinking.
I believe Voltion told THQ they'd like to acquire the license. So.... V want the license, but it's effectively the decision of THQ whether or not a bid will be made. Put it this way - it's up to THQ to decide on a bid, not Volition.
That's my recollection of dave's reply to Sandwich before it was pulled.
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*nods*
Okay, that was one of the parts I was really unclear on. So :V: would like to get their hands on the franchise again, but they need THQ to make a bid?
What the hell is the status of DSmart's bid on the liscense? That's pretty confusing from this end.
Also, from wat everyone's said, it's pretty unlikely he could have a fan community shut down. Has he done something like that in the past?
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He can't in any way, that's already been stated by the Administrators.
As for the bid, that info will not come to us until the final decision is made, that's standard practice.
My own opinion is 'business as normal' for now :)
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Originally posted by Moonsword
[B
Also, from wat everyone's said, it's pretty unlikely he could have a fan community shut down. Has he done something like that in the past? [/B]
Smart has sued number of publishers in past
Edit: Flip said it already
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I nominate Sandwich! :D
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I'm pretty sure the nomination is over people. Volition already knows about DS's motives so there's no point to talk to them anymore.
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**** YOU I NOMINATE SANDWICH YAARRRRRR!!!
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:nervous:
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Originally posted by LLivingLarge
Would FS3 be a system-raper like Doom 3?
FSO is already like that.
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Maybe the reps should include people who are in charge of major projects? 1 from SCP, 1 from HLP's staff, and 1 uber modder who's worked on and completed major projects.
How about that?
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Well, now we can just shorten the contact message to " 'Sup? ".
I NOMINATE SANDWICH TO ASK DAVEB HOW HE'S DOING.
OR SOMETHING.
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Originally posted by Bri_Dog
Maybe the reps should include people who are in charge of major projects? 1 from SCP, 1 from HLP's staff, and 1 uber modder who's worked on and completed major projects.
How about that?
The principal idea is for there to be only one representative.
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Im gonna hafta go with Ice or Steak...is Thunder still around?
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EAT THE SANDWICH!
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Originally posted by Night Hammer
Im gonna hafta go with Ice or Steak...is Thunder still around?
Thunder-->Kalifireth:) if you didn't know that already
If this is still going I say Sandwich
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BUTTER THE SANDWICH!
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Originally posted by Knight Templar
BUTTER THE SANDWICH!
:lol:
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Originally posted by Holy Imperial Gloriano
Thunder-->Kalifireth:) if you didn't know that already
I always wondered why Thunder just disappeared and who the new guy was, oops
:nervous:
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is there an end to this thing in sight? or will we just keep nominating people until fs3 is on the market?
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If this thread went off topic like most threads, you wouldn't be asking that question.
Comes to show you that on topic threads suck. :p
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JELLY THE SANDWICH!
( :p )
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I nominate Sandwich too!
I don't know what the hell for, but If everyone else is, I'm going to! ;)
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Btw, do we needing this thread anymore? we already got something
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SHUT UP AND PICKLE THE SANDWICH.
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Can we just auto-elect daveb for now? Maybe we can resurrect Seth and have him serve daveb a burning, frozen, and pickled Sandwich, to give to the THQ president so that he might be rewarded an audience.
*Wonders if that sounds as stilted as he thinks it does in his half-groggy stte.*
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Ok, you're scaring me. Stop it. :nervous:
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:lol:
Mmmm... Sandwich (pickled)
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Why must we hungerrrr....
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*Eats some sandwich*
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Originally posted by WMCoolmon
Can we just auto-elect daveb for now? Maybe we can resurrect Seth and have him serve daveb a burning, frozen, and pickled Sandwich, to give to the THQ president so that he might be rewarded an audience.
*Wonders if that sounds as stilted as he thinks it does in his half-groggy stte.*
DIE YOU WHORE, LEST WE SLICE THE SANDWICH!
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OPEN THE SANDWICH, SPREAD A LITTLE BIT OF MAYONAISSE ON THE INSIDE, AND THEN CLOSE THE SANDWICH!
and stick a toothpick with an olive on it into the sandwich.
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MAYONAISE IS FOR CANADIANS! THIS SANDWICH LIKES PEANUT BUTTER. ;7
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Stop it. You're even freaking out me. :p
Anyway, in related news, the summary of daveb's email to Sandwich is now up. :)
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I like mayonaise. And peanut butter.
...not together! :nervous:
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KINKY! :eek2:
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Originally posted by Knight Templar
MAYONAISE IS FOR CANADIANS! THIS SANDWICH LIKES PEANUT BUTTER. ;7
MAYONAISE IS FOR AMERICANS! SYRUP IS FOR CANADIANS! :p
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:lol: @ KT
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Thunder!
Thunder!
Thundercats!
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