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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: jdjtcagle on July 28, 2004, 06:16:45 pm
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I'm tired of arguing with my friend about something, so I need info about Ninjas and Samuris and who would win in a fight
Who would win, Vote?
BTW, I'm serious :D
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Unless the Ninja could convince the Samuri to take a drink or turn his back, the Samuri would win. Ninja weren't unstoppable killing machines, they worked mostly using poison and shadows. They were good at not being seen and avoiding fights ;)
http://ns.karatedepot.com/links/ninjitsu/index.shtml
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They are actually the same thing.
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Yay!!! I was right!!! :D
Kosh?
read the link
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http://www.realultimatepower.net/
nuff said
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Ninjas have shrunkens.
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DragonClaw:
It was made by a guy not even through with puberty... :p
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Originally posted by Mr. Vega
Ninjas have shrunkens.
Yea, but samurais have their bows + Zen ;)
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Shuriken......and shaken (pronounced shocken)...which is a 3d shuriken.
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ok, my dad got into this...
He claims that ninja's were made for defeating samuri, from a documentary he saw
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When they slept, no doubt. Ninjas would sneak in and stab em in the, or poison their boots or something.
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So overall, 1:1 Ninja is the most dangerous... Right?
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..1:1 Samurai is more dangerous. Samurai's actually fight. Ninja's sneak about and assassinate...
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Yep, throwing stars are actually moderately easy to dodge if you can see the person is about to throw it, besides, samuri, being a military unit wore scale armour, shuriken and particuarly shoken were not actually that good at piercing it with any force. So most of the body was quite well protected.
Samuri were better trained, and 1:1 face to face, a Samuri would win. The Ninja WERE created to kill Samuri, but not face to face.
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Undecidable really...
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Doesn't matter; Jason Bourne would kill them both before they even drew their weapons.
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Samurai Jack could beat the tar out of a ninja any day
You just saw Bourne Supremacy didn't you Prefect?
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Katsimoto!
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Samurai are quite skilled with their weapons, highly trained...
Ninjas.. well... they're more or less spies and assassins.
so, head to head, Samurai would kill a ninja no problems..
unless of course, the Ninja kills a Samurai in his sleep :p
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Originally posted by jdjtcagle
Yay!!! I was right!!! :D
Kosh?
read the link
I saw something a while ago on the history channel that said they were.
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Ninjas can fly. Samurai have big pointy swords. You decide.
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Samurai have those pointy hats. Ninjas just have those terrorist masks.
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Originally posted by Mr. Vega
Ninjas have shrunkens.
Well big deal - I have one of those, but only when I come out of the pool.
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This is a close poll...
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Frankly, I'd be more worried about some pirates getting involved in this mess. It gets messy then.
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Pirates were not taught in the art of war.. :D
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So it's all the more humiliating when they kick your ass.
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Ninja == fights dirty == wins
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damn Bob...I was just gonna post the same, Ninjas use dirty tricks and thus win.
Besides from that...Bruce Lee would kick both their asses :P
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The Samurai would kick the **** out of the Ninja and cut off his face. But later that night, the Ninja's cousin would stuffocate the Samurai in his sleep. Then the Ninja would be killed leaving the building by Pirate-Cannons and Xenomorphs, before the Angel Of Death rained fire down on the city.
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Ninja's CAN be more skilled... easily. But average Vs. average it goes to the sammy. ;)
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My money's still on the Xenomorph.
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In a fight, it's gotta be the Samurai. ;) But damn, for coolness factor, you gotta go for the Ninjas... :D
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ninja. Unless they were fighting in a sealed room with floodlighting on every corner.
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(http://www.penguinbomb.com/images/avsposter.jpg)
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LOL!!!
Change the Alien to Samuri!
:lol:
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:lol:
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:lol:
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Heehee!
Being serious for a moment ( :nervous: ), Ninja and Samurai are two entirely different things. Samurai are/were warriors, with honour, respect for their opponents and loyalty to their superiors. Ninja are/were sneaky, vicious bastards who will resort to anything to kill their target, no matter how low. So it would depend on the situation. In the dark, or in a building, the ninja would win, but in a straight fight, the Samurai would have a massive advantage (bigger sword, armour, better combat skills).
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If history has shown anything, it is that the meek shall inherit the earth. And then be done over by sneaky vicious bastards who promptly steal the earth.
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I'm sure I heard that during a period of peace, out-of-work Samurai began hiring themselves out as ninja assasins...
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iiiinnnteeerrresssting...
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Okay we have established that we can't compare Ninja and Samurai directly because their methods of attack are completely different, so in order to do so we must level the playing field.
First, lets pick our Samurai - Let this be Usagi Yojimbo, because he is a rabbit, like Max (the Rabbit).
As for the Ninja... erm, the best I could come up with were the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.
In this case, the Samurai Rabbit would win because I despise TMNT and would destroy all four of them with a BFred before anyone could touch their weapons.
Done! :D
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Pah... A ronin would kick EVERYONES asses.
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Pirates.
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Meh...
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how about......
[SIZE=8]Teh JEDI![/SIZE]
I can't believe no one has thought of that yet...
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Because it's not in the realm of reality :p
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The ninja challenges the samurai to a fight at sunrise, doesn't show up, but hides in a nearby bush or tree or something. Then waits until the samurai harakiris because of lost honor or something. Something like that :nervous:
What about Shivans? Are they ninjas or samurais?
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Chris the Ninja Pirate.
(http://www.weebl.jolt.co.uk/images/chris_thumb.gif)
Arr!
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The ninja were created from an order of Monks who had learned and perfected the art of stealth, because they were often times set upon by bandits or local provincial daimyos for taxes/shakedown/protection money/whatever they wanted. They were so good at it in fact that some of the monks from this order were drawn away by a provincial daimyo a few provinces over in order to act as his spies. They were so good at it, they were eventually given a family name and were always "advisors" to that daimyo, their true purpouse was unknown. Thats how it started anyway.
A Ninja kills his target by sneaking into their bedroom at night, and killing them swiftly and quietly. Then sneaking out. usually with a dagger. Or preferably, the samurai who is sleeping next door's Wakizashi (the short sword that is paired with the Katana, the Wakizashi symbolizes the samurai's honor...which is why it is used in the Seppukku ritual).
Ninja rarely even carried their swords. They would get in the way. When they did, they carried Ninja-to, which were compleatly strait, shorter and thinner than a katana...and made of some of the crapiest steel the weapon smith could get his hands on. Because they were often THROWN AWAY at pursuers instead of used to fight.
Shuriken were compleatly useless as weapons. If I threw a shuriken at you as hard as I could, from TWO feet away....I would probably not do much in the way of actual life threataning damage. If you hit someone in the head with a shuriken, it would scratch them and bounce off, because of the rotational energy. If you hit them somewhere soft and squishy...like the gut for example...there's plenty of padding around there that is is an inconvience and not life threatening. They were used as distraction tools. Not weapons.
So far, in the 2 most comonly "Ninja" items...none of them are weapons. Because the weapon they actually used to kill people with, was their dagger or poison.
They question of "who would win in a fight" is rather moot, as most ninjas...if they were seen...would just run away. If they were trapped, they'd just slit their throat or stick themselves in the belly with their daggers. Why you ask?
Because the samurai were much better fighters. A samurai would generally try to cut off the ninja's arm, or a leg, then knock him out. Drag him to the local monk or priest, try to have him saved...then have some peasants torture and interogate the ninja until he talked.
Face it. Samurai lived their entire life preparing to kill. They lived every single day of their life waiting to die in a bloody, gruesom, and very painful sword fight. Their entire Life was devoted to the skills required to kill someone. Just because a ninja fights dirty, doesn't even give him a chance. Whats he going to do? Sneak around behind you when your looking RIGHT AT HIM? Throw dirt in your eyes? Who would just stand still and watch as a ninja reached for something then threw something towards your face. No one. That would be stupid.
In case your wondering how this all came about, I had a friend a few years ago who was at the intermediate-advanced level of training and skill in Ninjutsu. I had another friend who had just finished the "beginer" levels of Kenjutsu (Art of the Sword). We even gave the "Ninja" a bokken (wooden katana), no armor. He had all his ninja gear. We went down stairs, and they had a 1:1 fight.
out of 3 fights, the ninja used his powder (the kind they throw in people's eyes), all his shurikens, and tried to use every single dirty trick that he knew how to do.
at the end of the fight, (And mind you, I never said this was a "light" fight. They were fighting to win. You don't know my friends....) the score was Ninja: 0 (With a broken nose, broken hand, and a mild concusion) "Samurai": 3. With some blood on his Hakima from when he grabed the ninja's head and broke his nose with his knee.
And this was a below average "Samurai" against an average "Ninja".
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Thanks...
Where do you get your information? :)
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Theres only one way to solve this debate.....
GOOGLE FIGHT!
Click me (http://www.googlefight.com/cgi-bin/compare.pl?q1=Ninja&q2=Samurai&B1=Make+a+fight%21&compare=1&langue=us)
Winner: Ninja!
:)
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Originally posted by jdjtcagle
Thanks...
Where do you get your information? :)
Which information? The stuff about how ninjutsu started I got from the guy who was going to the (now defunct) Ninjutsu dojo here locally. May or may not be true, but I have no reason to doubt him.
The stuff about how ninjas fight? Same source. Except I watched it in actual action. Well, I was watching between fits of laughter becuase he was going off all day about how "Man, I'm going to show you ninjutsu is a greater art then Kenjutsu." and "Ninjas kick so much ass."
While I wont argue that some people find ninjas to have alot of style, I just can't see it. how is beeing dirty, dishonorable, and just down right gross style?
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Only one thing. Ninjas had their roots in farmers that were forced off their lands and into the outlaw world. I don't know where the monks part came from. In any case, why would monks of all people develop such sneaky techniques as what the ninja use?
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I voted ninja cuz ninja's kick ass...
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Originally posted by ChronoReverse
Only one thing. Ninjas had their roots in farmers that were forced off their lands and into the outlaw world. I don't know where the monks part came from. In any case, why would monks of all people develop such sneaky techniques as what the ninja use?
Because Monks are compleatly outside the order of things. Peasants came in two flavors, the Half People, which the samurai were there to protect (And they mostly did...mostly) because the Half People were owned by the Lords. The Samurai were also owned, think of it as Sheephearder dogs used to tend the sheep. Both animals are owned, just one is treated nicer than the other.
Then there were the Non-people. The ones who touched unclean things. They were still in the Order of things, just at the very bottom.
Monks and Ronin (Samurai who were denied seppukku, or Bushi (warriors) who claimed to be samurai) are compleatly outside the Order. They have no place. At all. Both still had their uses. Ronin were used as cheap throwaway troops in large battles, or as local malitia so the real samurai could be more useful elsewhere. Monks were the spiritual "leaders" (Note the quotes).
Thats how it started. They were used as Spies, the assasin thing came up in a later erra, when the art of the sword had evolved past the previous "Stick the pointy end in the other man" phase (Brought about by Miyamoto Musashi, a ronin...as an irony) when Samurai were even HARDER to kill. They were almost always peasants who had picked up their stealthy skills from hunting, or tracking, or other traits like that.
Eventually the entire concept became much larger, and became an actual orginization. More often then not they continued their peasant lives, and were tasked to do certain things by a series of contacts.
However sometimes a group of peasant ninjas would do something so great, that the lord would reward them with lands, or a title, or both.
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Shuriken laced with poison = death.
Pirate Ninja's get my vote. Samurai fight straight on, Ninja would KEEL them any day of the week.
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Originally posted by BD
Shuriken laced with poison = death.
Pirate Ninja's get my vote. Samurai fight straight on, Ninja would KEEL them any day of the week.
Yea, the samurai would die a painful and agonizing death.
an hour later. After slaughtering the ninja.
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a question, but how many ninja's where there compared to samurai? and if ninjas where assasins? would'nt they just kill the leader of the samurai.
the question was
I'm tired of arguing with my friend about something, so I need info about Ninjas and Samuri and who would win in a fight
in a fight the samurai would win
there jobs are different, the samurai is a soldier, while the ninja is a assasins. in a fight, on a 1 on 1 the samurai would win. sorry to say but sneaking in at night and using poison is not a fight it's a "assasination".
but the truth is the ninja and the samuri never really fought.
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Actually... the fact that ninjas are still around and samurai are not kinda means...
Ninjas have shrunkens
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That the ninjas hid away from all the battles?
Oh, and yeah, that they have shrunkens. :nervous:
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Must be all the saki ;)
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*Brutalizes jdjtcagle for not spelling Samurai properly*
*Votes Samurai, kuz dey'r k00l.*
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Originally posted by Impurial
Actually... the fact that ninjas are still around and samurai are not kinda means...
Uhhh, what? Ninjas are just as extinct as samurai. Sure, ninjutsu is taught, but kenjutsu is taught too. For example Tennenrishinryu, the kenjutsu style taught by Isami Kondou (Leader of the Shinsengumi), is still taught in Japan.
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Anyway, the reason that the Samurai class was abolished was due to the Meiji Restoration.
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The ninja is the deadliest weapon of all....
...and heres my proof.
http://www.minijuegos.com/juegos/jugar.php?id=2176 ;7
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Indians would own either of them.