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General FreeSpace => FreeSpace Discussion => Topic started by: Kie99 on August 01, 2004, 12:37:47 pm
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Of these destroyers which one would you rather be onboard permenantly?
(all have BFGreens)
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Hades. It is the toughest.
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Yeah I agree with you, who voted Hecate? That ship is ****e
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That's not a bad ship. It is well armed.
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It always runs away! I'd rather have an Orion
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That's old. It has some beam cannons, but only a few.
[EDIT]The Orion is one of my favourite FS ships, but despite I wouldn't serve onboard it.
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Let's agree to disagree.
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[glow=red]boo[/glow]
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My favourite destroyer is the Orion, but it needs about double the number of turrets, and lots and lots of flak guns to be halfway decent. Ooh, and a HTL version (with new texture job) wouldn't go hurt it...
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did abit of a test like this in FRED a while ago. The Ravana always won unless flanked, with the Psamtik shape Vasudan second. The Hecate always got it's ass kicked by just about everything.
Hard to compaire the Hades as it originally didn't carry beams.
I voted Orion BTW.
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Hatshepsut. I like it. IIRC it also has quite good forward weaponry.
Actually, why in the hell are capship beams splattered all around the hull in most FS capships? Stick big guns into the nose and maximize firepower. Like EAD Lindos.
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Originally posted by Janos
Hatshepsut. I like it. IIRC it also has quite good forward weaponry.
I also go for the "vacuum cleaner". :nod:
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Orion, because they are so cool and the fact they can lay waste to something in seconds (if the stupid gunners hit).
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For me it was a coin-toss between the Orion and the Hecate. (I picked the Hecate.)
The Hades is dumb and Vasudan ships are just poopy. (I'll laugh if anyone picks the Typhon.)
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Originally posted by Janos
Hatshepsut. I like it. IIRC it also has quite good forward weaponry.
Actually, why in the hell are capship beams splattered all around the hull in most FS capships? Stick big guns into the nose and maximize firepower. Like EAD Lindos.
Because the AI broadsides... and also if you get hit from the side, you're ship'd be screwed with forward weaponry. It's called balance. :p
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I like the Typhon. It's the most aestetically pleasing, hell on fighters and with a little retrofit,(twice the turrets and beams and all that goes with it) the match of any ship in the fleet
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I'd pick the Hatshepsut, but I like to be on a terran ship so Orion.
The GTVA should really design a much shorter destroyer tailored for less speed, more manueverability and beams all facing forward.
And give it a new class name, like dreadnought or frigate.
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Originally posted by Liberator
It's the most aestetically pleasing
Ya, if you think a squished jellyfish is aestetically pleasing :p
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The Typhon is the only destroyer that gives you a proper sense of scale when you're flying over it.
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The Orion gives the same feeling on certain angles where you can see the lights (like the landing pads). If the Orion got a reskin, it would be awesome.
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Originally posted by Raa
Because the AI broadsides... and also if you get hit from the side, you're ship'd be screwed with forward weaponry. It's called balance. :p
Not to mention that you'd be up slack alley if they managed to take out your engines.
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Y'know what I don't get? Why the hell do the Shivan capital ships have flak guns? Does flak really seem like a Shivan weapon? And what's more, they somehow added it to their ships at the same time the Alliance developed it. What the crap?
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The shivan flak works different... It just looks like the terran flak.
(To confuse the Terrans. You know the "I dont get it" stuff.)
;7
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(http://swooh.com/peon/ubermetroid/pics/broken.jpg)
What the !@# happened here?
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Looks like it added the last line of my sig to the next post.
Very odd.
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Originally posted by Liberator
I like the Typhon. It's the most aestetically pleasing, hell on fighters and with a little retrofit,(twice the turrets and beams and all that goes with it) the match of any ship in the fleet
That's what I voted for, too. But then, I'm a softy for Vassies. ;)
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Vasudan cap ships are ugly. They need a new paint job. The brown texture is just plain ugly.:ick:
They need a shivan-type paint, but in green, with some shiny spots like the vasudan support ship.
I really don´t get it why so many voted for the Hatshepsut, it´s awfull!!
In a bit of unrelated question, does anyone know why the hell do the flaks and lasers go across the hull of the ship they are on??
It´s a real drag, to have a turret firing at you from the other side of the ship, and the shots go through the hull and get you...
It happens on every cap ship, or large size ship.
How do you fix that?
:hopping:
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Originally posted by Swamp_Thing
Vasudan cap ships are ugly. They need a new paint job. The brown texture is just plain ugly.:ick:
They need a shivan-type paint, but in green, with some shiny spots like the vasudan support ship.
I really don´t get it why so many voted for the Hatshepsut, it´s awfull!!
Umm. No.
FS1 Vasudans > FS2 Vasudans
The Support ship is one of the ugliest things in the game. And that's including those horrible pieces of debris that are constantly flying past your screen.
And they chose the Hatshepsut because of it's superior weaponry, layout and armor plating.
In a bit of unrelated question, does anyone know why the hell do the flaks and lasers go across the hull of the ship they are on??
It´s a real drag, to have a turret firing at you from the other side of the ship, and the shots go through the hull and get you...
It happens on every cap ship, or large size ship.
How do you fix that?
:hopping:
You use FS_open. Otherwise you learn to deal with this.
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Originally posted by Raa
The Support ship is one of the ugliest things in the game. And that's including those horrible pieces of debris that are constantly flying past your screen.
Well, then we agree to disagree, right? :D
I don´t like the colour and style of the vasudan ships. And although the model of the vasudan support ship is "odd", to say the least, the texture is not ugly. In another ship, the same type texture could present good results. It´s the model of the ship that looks bad.
:ick:
But then again, to each his own. Personnal tastes are not debatable.
:)
As for the Hatshepsut, the thread subject was wich ship you would like to serve in, permanently, and armament is just one of the factors. I for one would not serve in an ugly ship if i had the choice, even if it meant the loss of a couple of turrets. After all, you would spend the rest of your life there, so you better choose something that pleases the eye aswell.
If you had to choose a car to live in for the rest of your life, would you choose a Volkswagen with a 500hp engine, or would you choose the Ferrari with a 400hp engine? I would gladly let go of a few hp for the chance of driving something really better looking. Wouldn´t you?
;7
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Except the difference here isn't HP, it's a better chance of survival.
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Originally posted by ChronoReverse
Except the difference here isn't HP, it's a better chance of survival.
Yeah, but if we go by firepower alone, there are many other ships with far more firepower, than the vasudan ship.
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But of the choices given, the Hatshepsut has the best firepower and armour combination.
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You use FS_open. Otherwise you learn to deal with this.
Uh, I use FSO and I still see it happen with the 07-20-2004 build. Appearently it is not fixed enough
Oh, and I voted for the Hades. 4X the hitpoints of an Orion or Hecate with 4 BGreens in addition to that.
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I don't even know it. I just thought it might have. Apparently I was right? I just picked it up because I like the concept and design of the vac cleaner. Blue is indeed superior to red.
As to return to the question I asked before (yep, I'm too lazy to quote two people, Raa and karajorma), the point was that the basic design of FS ships seems a little weirdo.
Hard-hitters, like EAD Lindos, when correctly deployed, can devastate corvettes and even other destroyers in a hartbeat. THe only problem is how to deploy them. If you throw a Lindos inside a fiery Shivan BFRedfest, it won't stand a chance - as stated before, as soon as engines fail or other ship manages to flank it, you can kiss it goodbye - you kinda have to prevent it from happening, hence the cruisers and other turtles which can take beating but not focus fire.
If you, however, get in there fast, from far away, hit the opposers with impunity and retain stand-off stance, the enemies are in trouble. Even though battles in FS are pretty fighter/bomber -oriented and capships are more fire support (flak, AAA) than the heavy-duty guys, it kinda amazes me that there are no ships that have most of their anti-capship weapons - beams, namely - in their forward arc of fire. Indeed, these ships are in trouble when flanked, so some kind of balance should be found. But as a tactical asset, where you can deploy GTCv Reyena -style corvette to quickly take care of that Moloch, focused firepower is just ugly. It gets the job done, quickly and efficiently. That's about it.
The difference between corvettes and destroyers in plain FS2 non-mod universe is that of scale - their roles are not that different. Both ship classes are basically just "throw them into the battle, beam-free-all, hope someone gets out alive, let them flak the enemy" cannon fodder. Corvette in canon FS was originally designed to battle powerful Shivan capships. It seems like getting close to one of them and then shoot one or two beams into SD Demon would be a suicide - and it quite often is.
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goddamn double post, I suck at the Internet.
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I'm an oldie, I've gotta go for the Orion. :)
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Well I say Orion....
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<- me says Hecate, since with a proper texture job it would look terrific.
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Orion
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Orion. If all else fails, it's got by far the spikiest front for ramming stuff.......
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Originally posted by ChronoReverse
But of the choices given
Errr... what other destroyers could a terran serve on?
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the GTD blahblahblah......
Did I say that out loud?:nervous:
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Originally posted by kietotheworld
Errr... what other destroyers could a terran serve on?
Any non-canon destroyers(GTD Raynor). But I know this thread is about canon ships so consider my action of saying anything not happened. :)
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Originally posted by MatthewPapa
Orion, because they are so cool and the fact they can lay waste to something in seconds (if the stupid gunners hit).
Unless you are in a fighter or bomber. The Orion's AAA defenses are terrible. If it had no fighter escort, a wing of bombers could wax an orion without much trouble.
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Bombers are basically effective against any canon FS2 capitals. :p
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But it's much easier to take down an Orion with bombers than it is to take down a Hecate with bombers.
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I always got the impression that fs1 ships rely more on fighters to protect them against small ships than fs2 ships do. Fs1 ships have one or two kinds of turrets, fs2 ships have AAA and Flak for fighers and bombers.
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Originally posted by Solatar
I always got the impression that fs1 ships rely more on fighters to protect them against small ships than fs2 ships do. Fs1 ships have one or two kinds of turrets, fs2 ships have AAA and Flak for fighers and bombers.
I'm going to take a random stab in the dark, that you of all people would choose the Hades? ;) ;) :nervous:
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Originally posted by Janos
Hatshepsut. I like it. IIRC it also has quite good forward weaponry.
Actually, why in the hell are capship beams splattered all around the hull in most FS capships? Stick big guns into the nose and maximize firepower. Like EAD Lindos.
Put a corvette behind a Lindos and the EA ship will be massacred. That's why.
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The Orion....because it looks so ****ing cool. :)
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Originally posted by Kosh
Oh, and I voted for the Hades. 4X the hitpoints of an Orion or Hecate with 4 BGreens in addition to that.
For the purposes of the poll the hades has 4 bFgreens
:p
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Originally posted by kietotheworld
For the purposes of the poll the hades has 4 bFgreens
:p
Which can make some big holes on any kind of platings. :D
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The Hades took 30 minutes to kill at 4X time compression...I know which one I'd rather live on :p.
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Is the Hades that long thing with the X-engine block that has a really limited field of fire?
I mean, truthfully I'd rather be in a Deimos (If I'm gonna die I'd rather die on a cool looking ship :p), otherwise a Hat or a Hec.
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The Hatshepsut is one of the best looking capships in both games, when you're viewing from off its bow it looks very regal.
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The Hatshepsut was only in FS2. If you're talking about the brown one with all the windows, it's the Typhon. And the Typhon does own.
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I think he means between the ships in both of the games, not limiting the field to FS2. That said, I don't see why the addition is necessary because all of the FS1 ships are in FS2 anyway.
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I pick the Hades. If you had BFGreens on all those ships, the Hades would be the strongest because it has the thickest armor.
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Bah. Put GFGreen on all of the turrets on a Typhon, it'll own every capship out there, too. Just it'll die from bombing runs.
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GFGreen = Gigantic freaking Green?
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Normally from those choices I would have to go with Hecate (I want to live).. However since we can choose ANY destroyer now I'll go with Raptor's (I hope I remembered right) GTD SATURN cause it is simply 1000 times better than the Hades and is FS2's version of the Excalibur (sorta)... all we need is an uber recharging weapon and ...(mumbles into B5 speek)...
;7
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The Golgotha might be fun. I would want to be the one working the meson cannon. Fun times. :D
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Demogorge. If we're going with Fan made ships. :p
And my Raxis class corvette if I can't use MT ships. Or If Styxx censors this post :p
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Originally posted by Raa
Demogorge. If we're going with Fan made ships. :p
I wish i had admin powers:p j/k same for me actually from fan made ships
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NO MORE FAN MADE SHIPS!!!![/color] This poll is strictly for canon destroyers
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Well, then the Typhon pwns j00. :p
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And I thought I was the only one to like the Orion's design. ;)
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Orion is pretty cool... but I'd rather have on my side a GVD Hatshesput any day over a GTD Orion
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Typhon all it needs is a reskin and it would rock. There is of course the Hades....... :drevil:
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Blasphemy. The Typhon is how Vasudan design should be. Not like all these stupid tily crappies running around!
In fact, my corvette is going to be Typhon influenced.
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what about the shivan destroyers i mean thing about it what if the GTVA managed to commedeer a shivan destroyer and trained and station people on it as a normal deystroyer well if not a ravana i'de choose the Hatshesput
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The GTVA tried to "commendeer" a shivan dragon in FS1 and nearly got Alpha 1 killed... do you really think they would risk it? Even if they could beat the unknown numbers of shivans in them?
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Originally posted by silverwolf
what about the shivan destroyers i mean thing about it what if the GTVA managed to commedeer a shivan destroyer and trained and station people on it as a normal deystroyer well if not a ravana i'de choose the Hatshesput
You mean like they did with the SC Taranis? ;) That worked out rather well didn't it?
Originally posted by Ghostavo
The GTVA tried to "commendeer" a shivan dragon in FS1 and nearly got Alpha 1 killed... do you really think they would risk it? Even if they could beat the unknown numbers of shivans in them?
GTA, not GTVA.
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well naturally firs they'd have to figure out how many shivans and how many marines. then of course you'd have to make infantry weapons that are more effective than blowing it and you up with a gernade launcher (hallfight reference) and even if you didn't bring it to active service you could research the tech. you work small like a cruiser then as you become more effective work your way up.
however i wouldn't doubt that command wouldn't try it on a sath. allthing considered the sath will always be too much to take.
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Dude, you're talking about a group of people that have the tactical ability of a chimpanzee. Do you really think that Command would ever scan the ship for lifesigns before entering? Command obviously never learned from its mistakes from the previous war with the shivans, and got careless with the constant flaunting of the "superior technolgy". Then the shivans sent in 80 juggernauts and blew up Capella killing who know how many millions of people in a giant supernova.
At any rate, the shivans are xenophobes. They're not going to sit idly by while we infest one of their capital ships. They'll fight to the bitter end to keep us out. That disaster of a battle only took place on a Cain-class cruiser. What do you think would happen if we got ourselves a Demon let alone a Ravana or Sathanas? The GTVA could have another Lucifer on their hands (or more than one!) and given what it took to stop the last one, I don't think they'd have much of a chance in hell of winning.
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lol yah i know i'm assuming a few things they train marines properly,command gets a brain,the shivans won't send a hunting party. even with out assumeing these things i have fun making up impossible theories
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Yes well, I'll settle for pilots that don't fly into eachother in their ships. ;)
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Hecate.
Enough bombers to take care of any other cap ships.
Enough AAA defenses to allow me to defend it nicely.
But ideally, i'd rather have Alpha 1 serve by my side. He would take care of ANYTHING!
Wait.......doesnt that mean I'd be either Beta or Alph-KZZZT! YEARRGH!!
Alpha 3 was killed by collision with Beta 2
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Originally posted by silverwolf
what about the shivan destroyers i mean thing about it what if the GTVA managed to commedeer a shivan destroyer and trained and station people on it as a normal deystroyer well if not a ravana i'de choose the Hatshesput
In this case, the Lucifer. Of course, if the Shivans had used any Lucifers in Fs2, they would have armed it with Beam and flak cannons. There would have been two BFReds on the arms! They have firepower.
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Even if we did manage to overwhelm them we wouldn't get anywhere the Shivans are to smart to allow one of thier ships to fall in enemie hands they would auto-destruct the ship in a heartbeat.
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i'm gonna go with the vaccum cleaner. it looks scary, which helps, and it's got some nice beams on it.
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Originally posted by Falcon
Even if we did manage to overwhelm them we wouldn't get anywhere the Shivans are to smart to allow one of thier ships to fall in enemie hands they would auto-destruct the ship in a heartbeat.
ummm...no true. the terrans had caputured several shivan ships, such as the Taranis, that transport from the hall fight cutscene, the dragon you get to fly, and some maras in FS2. And those are just the ones I can think of off the top of my head.
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I thought the maras were Terran built, not captured...
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nope. captured.
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yah if i remember it says they were captured in the command briefing. even if you didn't capture them in hte mission. so i believe mara(terran) means they are modified for terran use. because well they would have to be
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Yeah and the Maras handle better than the original,(or so the briefing says i haven't checked the tables)
By the way the Orion is my favourite ship ever on looks and I am soon going to be developing a Mod to give it enough tureets to compete with a Hades
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you'll have to quadruple it's hitpoints, too.
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Depnds how many turrets i add, i'm thinking about 500 bFRED turrets... LOL :D
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someone had create Orion with more turrets.
I think that hitpoints of evry destroyer should be just like Demons had. Its funny tahat Deimos had 20 000 less strength.
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Was that the one by Promethius that had a Deimos reskin?