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Title: "I am a Gay American" - NJ Gov Resigns
Post by: Rampage on August 12, 2004, 08:12:58 pm
Read: http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/08/12/mcgreevey.nj/index.html

Gov. McGreevey of NJ resigns.  That's one liberal out of public office! ;)
Title: "I am a Gay American" - NJ Gov Resigns
Post by: Taristin on August 12, 2004, 08:16:38 pm
He should have stayed. It'd been a slap in the face for all the anti-gay activists out there.
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Post by: Cabbie on August 12, 2004, 08:21:54 pm
Sadly, an affair is an affair, straight or gay.
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Post by: Taristin on August 12, 2004, 08:35:54 pm
Oh? President Clinton had one, and he was more popular than ever. :doubt:
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Post by: Drew on August 12, 2004, 08:49:16 pm
i dont see how any self respecting dude could actually inflate his dick looking at another dudes dick, and stick it in that dudes anus. I just cant figure it out.
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Post by: jdjtcagle on August 12, 2004, 08:50:09 pm
It's a crazy world today...
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Post by: Ford Prefect on August 12, 2004, 08:54:40 pm
Drew, I hope you don't play Freespace; you seem a little young for all the violence.
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Post by: Drew on August 12, 2004, 08:55:40 pm
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Originally posted by Ford Prefect
Drew, I hope you don't play Freespace; you seem a little young for all the violence.


bite me
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Post by: jdjtcagle on August 12, 2004, 08:57:18 pm
Careful, Admins are watching
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Post by: Drew on August 12, 2004, 08:58:43 pm
*points to Ford Prefect*

He started it
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Post by: jdjtcagle on August 12, 2004, 09:02:38 pm
So what are we going to argue about in this thread?
Clinton? Gays? end up talking about religion?

honestly I don't care...  What good has it ever done?
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Post by: Drew on August 12, 2004, 09:04:17 pm
got Kaz to let off a little steam. He dosnt see many people he can take it out on.

*runs and hides*


;P
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Post by: Taristin on August 12, 2004, 09:51:05 pm
I have to say I agree with Ford on this one. That is a very immature stance, and it makes you look like a child.
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Post by: Stealth on August 12, 2004, 09:56:52 pm
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i dont see how any self respecting dude could actually inflate his dick looking at another dudes dick, and stick it in that dudes anus. I just cant figure it out.


am i the only one that almost fell on the floor laughing at the above quote? :p

"self respecting dude".   "inflate his dick".  god damn man you crack me up.

Drew, i've got to hand it to you.  you gave me my day's laugh.  Thank you :p
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Post by: Flipside on August 12, 2004, 10:00:39 pm
I must admit, whilst an affair is an affair, I feel sad that it was his private life that had to drive him from his job. It's a rather empty victory when it's dead-mens shoes :(
Title: Re: "I am a Gay American" - NJ Gov Resigns
Post by: Knight Templar on August 12, 2004, 10:17:22 pm
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Originally posted by Rampage

Gov. McGreevey of NJ resigns.  That's one liberal out of public office! ;)


Yeah! Stupid liberal faggots!

.... :wtf:

Seriously, the maturity (or lack thereof) level of some of you folks on semi-serious topics is frightening. Where the hell do you draw the line?
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Post by: Bobboau on August 12, 2004, 10:18:28 pm
I don't want anyone makeing some sort of hero out of this guy, he is toupe deep in all sorts of crap, he's the guy who is in the center of that whole geting-whores-to-sleep-with-federal-wintesses-to-blackmail-them thing, and this is more than just an affair, the guy he was doing this with was aparently an Isaeli agent hired for security, he was then appointed the state homeland security guy only to be denied becase he wasn't an american citisen and couldn't pass the background check, and after that he was kept on the pay roll for over $100,000 a year (he was giveing tax funded job to this guy just so he could stay close to him).
do not make him a hero, bad man, BAD, it will only backfire on us big time if we embrace this guy as some champion of gay rights.
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Post by: Drew on August 12, 2004, 10:20:48 pm
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Originally posted by Raa
I have to say I agree with Ford on this one. That is a very immature stance, and it makes you look like a child.


your honestly saying that your old enough to experience it?

The reason why it sounds "immature" is because it dosnt take much depth of reasoning why its strange.
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Post by: Flipside on August 12, 2004, 10:21:59 pm
Well, I know nothing of his background, but from all the reasons for him to leave office, that you have listed, I think the 'I am Gay' thing is more along the lines of 'I am scared Sh*tless'.

Makes it even worse in a way, because then Homosexuality is  made a kind of scapegoat :(
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Post by: Drew on August 12, 2004, 10:23:22 pm
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Originally posted by Flipside
I must admit, whilst an affair is an affair, I feel sad that it was his private life that had to drive him from his job. It's a rather empty victory when it's dead-mens shoes :(


If a man cant be honest in his home, can you really trust him to be honest as a head of an entire State?
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Post by: Bobboau on August 12, 2004, 10:24:11 pm
[directed at flipside]

exactly, I think you'r starting to get the jist of American politics
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Post by: Flipside on August 12, 2004, 10:25:30 pm
Well, to answer that, you have to ask yourself why he was pretending to be a heterosexual in the first place.
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Post by: Ford Prefect on August 12, 2004, 10:26:00 pm
It is often much harder to be honest with those you truly care about.
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Post by: Drew on August 12, 2004, 10:26:32 pm
*waits for kazan to ripp him as "unamerican"

@ above post
Well he was caring about two people at one time, not to mention keeping the fact that he was gay hidden while he was being elected. The people of new jersey didnt elect him because he was gay. Imagin if any american president was elected for one thing and then *suddenly* wake up one morning in the middle of a term and *suddenly* change his mind.  Would he be releceted? Would people still like him? Probably not. Best step down and salavage your cerdibility for later than risk it geting shot to hell.
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Post by: Bobboau on August 12, 2004, 10:28:12 pm
additionaly this is aparently being brought out to pre-empt a sexual harasment suite from the guy, and the resignation has been timed  to prevent a specal ellection from giveing the governership from landing to a republican.
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Post by: Bobboau on August 12, 2004, 10:30:23 pm
and has anyone noticed how that book about kerry's nam experience has been totaly nocked off the news by this. nicely played I must say
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Post by: Knight Templar on August 12, 2004, 10:31:04 pm
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Originally posted by Drew


If a man cant be honest in his home, can you really trust him to be honest as a head of an entire State?


No, but you knew he was a lying bastard when you voted him in. That's why he's called a politician. They do that for a living. You can't act all suprised or anything.
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Post by: Rictor on August 12, 2004, 10:34:16 pm
thats kind of stupid logic. As we all know, or I hope that we all know, cause otherwise my hours of furious ranting would have been in vain, I have no great love for Clinton.

But getting blown is a pretty ****ed up thing to get impeached for. Same thing here. Now IF all he did was take it up the poop-shoot, then I would view this whole affair with contempt for not only him, but also the homophobic environment that brought this about.

So, the question is Bobboau, where's that info coming from. Cause if he did all those things, he should resign. But if not, that this is a serious case of bad judgement and lack of huevos on his part. And by any chance was the Israeli called John Israel?
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Post by: Drew on August 12, 2004, 10:34:49 pm
@ KT Read my edit on my last post, he got the latest part right.

@ bob
nobody really gave a **** about kerrys nam record anyway. oh you fought in a war, faked a bunch of heroic rescues to get a bunch of medals... nice try but we already know your voting record buddy.

god this thread needs to slow down
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Post by: Bobboau on August 12, 2004, 10:39:24 pm
mostly stuff I heard from the conservitive radio show that was on when this broke,
but the whore thing (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5435877/) (IMO the more important thing for describeing his charicter) is well known, I've heard the sexual harassment thing enough times to make me think it's legitimate, the rest you should probly take with some salt and wait and see.
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Post by: Flipside on August 12, 2004, 10:40:48 pm
IF the President was competent and was considered to be doing a good and honest days work for the people, I wouldn't care if he was a Homosexual Purple Monkey hybrid to be honest ;)

And, in the UK at least, there are very very few up and coming Gay politicians. Oddly enough though, there are an awful lot of established politicians who suddenly come out of the closet. Why is this? Do these people suddenly wake up and decide they are Gay? No. They have been Gay or Bisexual for their entire adult lives, but you'd be surprised how many little doors are closed to Politicians who don't already have their foot in them :(
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Post by: Knight Templar on August 12, 2004, 10:41:37 pm
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Originally posted by Drew

@ above post
Well he was caring about two people at one time, not to mention keeping the fact that he was gay hidden while he was being elected. The people of new jersey didnt elect him because he was gay. Imagin if any american president was elected for one thing and then *suddenly* wake up one morning in the middle of a term and *suddenly* change his mind.  Would he be releceted? Would people still like him? Probably not. Best step down and salavage your cerdibility for later than risk it geting shot to hell.


..... It's not like that's never happened before.

Drew: Don't even get me started on voting records. That's complete bull****.
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Post by: Bobboau on August 12, 2004, 10:44:06 pm
Golan Cipel, is the guy who he suposedly had the afair with, and who is suposedly going to file a harassment suet BTW
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Post by: Drew on August 12, 2004, 10:44:20 pm
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Originally posted by Flipside
IF the President was competent and was considered to be doing a good and honest days work for the people, I wouldn't care if he was a Homosexual Purple Monkey hybrid to be honest ;)



idd bet at least %50 of americans would care, spanky
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Post by: Flipside on August 12, 2004, 10:47:45 pm
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Originally posted by Drew



idd bet at least %50 of americans would care, spanky


LOL

It's scary really, you're probably right, you know, any other job a person would go for would be, supposedly by law, about your qualifications and experience, not your Private Life. In this case, as Bobb pointed out, the guy is running scared, but it's still a pity that being gay really matters so much, compared to, say, being good at your job :(
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Post by: Bobboau on August 12, 2004, 10:48:24 pm
some interesting history (http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/local/states/new_jersey/3868231.htm?1c)

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Even after leaving as homeland security adviser, Cipel remained a controversial figure because he kept his $110,000 state salary as a "policy counselor" to the governor. The administration has declined to describe his duties.

"He worked on a series of issues important to the governor," Aronsohn said yesterday. Asked what those issues had been, he said: "That's all I'm saying."


I'm sorry, I'm the biggest gay rights activist in southern Illinois, but that is just too much
:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Post by: Ford Prefect on August 12, 2004, 10:48:51 pm
Well, Drew, they should get off their moral high horses and learn to keep judgement in check.
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Post by: Drew on August 12, 2004, 10:49:38 pm
Sign In or Sign Up. It's Free!

eh bob? could use a c&p
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Post by: Bobboau on August 12, 2004, 10:51:04 pm
what, it's makeing you sign up!?, it didn't make me sign up, if that's the case I'll post the whole thing
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Post by: Flipside on August 12, 2004, 10:51:22 pm
Well, just goes to show that Heteros don't have the Monopoly on Greedy, Self-centred bigots ;)
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Post by: Drew on August 12, 2004, 10:54:24 pm
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Originally posted by Ford Prefect
Well, Drew, they should get off their moral high horses and learn to keep judgement in check.


when sombody qotes Nietzsche in their sig, the obviosly dont have much of a moral horse to even step on. Much less a stable one. I wonder where the human race would go if people got off their high horses all over the place. oh yeah. holland.
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Post by: Knight Templar on August 12, 2004, 10:55:04 pm
:wtf: :wtf: :wtf:
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Post by: Rictor on August 12, 2004, 10:58:42 pm
Policy councilor eh? Someone ought to lock up the entire "think tank" and "policy institute" industry along with him. Bunch of sleazy, opportunists think they know ****, and they get payed hundreds of thousands of dollars a year to legitimize the contact between businesses and government.
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Post by: Flipside on August 12, 2004, 10:59:36 pm
You know, it sometimes makes my head hurt trying to tell the difference between Right and Wrong, Good and Bad and Moral and Immoral.

How and Why do these words inter-relate?

Discuss :D
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Post by: Rictor on August 12, 2004, 11:00:28 pm
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Originally posted by Drew


when sombody qotes Nietzsche in their sig, the obviosly dont have much of a moral horse to even step on. Much less a stable one. I wonder where the human race would go if people got off their high horses all over the place. oh yeah. holland.


you seem to think thats a bad thing. clean, legal, consentual prostitution and weed. Its a dream come true.
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Post by: Bobboau on August 12, 2004, 11:02:25 pm
holland + American military - high taxes = ideal nation
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Post by: Knight Templar on August 12, 2004, 11:02:48 pm
"NO! PEOPLE NEED RULES! FREEDOM IS FOR GAYS AND NAZIS!"
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Post by: Drew on August 12, 2004, 11:04:45 pm
you and bob had better hope legal prostitution gets legal here, because at this rate its your guys only hope of gettin _any_

no seriously, bob, your cool
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Post by: Knight Templar on August 12, 2004, 11:11:11 pm
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Originally posted by Drew
you and bob had better hope legal prostitution gets legal here, because at this rate its your guys only hope of gettin _any_

no seriously, bob, your cool


What the hell kind of comeback is that? "OMFG shut up you geekz0r! i am right about governments and you dont have any pussy!"

(http://nodewar.penguinbomb.com/aotd/KT/hypocrite.gif)
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Post by: Rictor on August 12, 2004, 11:15:42 pm
holland doesn't need a military bob, unless the French start doing weed and hooker raids across the border.

a military as ridicilously over-power and cost-inefficient as Americas sort of excludes the possibility of low taxes, I would have thought that to be obvious. Cut your military down to a reasnable size, enough to protect your borders, and watch 30% fly off your tax-rate.
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Post by: Drew on August 12, 2004, 11:17:00 pm
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Originally posted by Knight Templar
"NO! PEOPLE NEED RULES! FREEDOM IS FOR GAYS AND NAZIS!"


OH MY GOD. YOU AMAZE ME.
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Post by: Knight Templar on August 12, 2004, 11:29:01 pm
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Originally posted by Drew


OH MY GOD. YOU AMAZE ME.


Thanks. :D

The local county fair hired me to be a magician at one of their restaurants next month. For my opening act, I'm going to pull massive amounts of **** straight out of my ass, and act like I think it's real. All I can say is that I learn from the best. :)
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Post by: Ford Prefect on August 12, 2004, 11:30:32 pm
Nietzsche takes flak for being more honest about the human condition than most people would care to admit.

Besides, pay more attention to the quote, and less attention to who's saying it.
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Post by: Drew on August 12, 2004, 11:50:01 pm
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Originally posted by Ford Prefect
Besides, pay more attention to the quote, and less attention to who's saying it.



" no more than a hundred empty heads make one wise man will an heroic decision arise from a hundred cowards."
- Adolf Hitler


how true is that. adolf hitler said it. guess what hes famous for. im really supposed to ignore the person who said the words eh?
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Post by: Knight Templar on August 12, 2004, 11:54:31 pm
I think you're missing the point.
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Post by: Ford Prefect on August 12, 2004, 11:55:19 pm
I didn't say ignore who said it; just don't shut your eyes to something because of where it came from.
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Post by: Knight Templar on August 12, 2004, 11:57:48 pm
Meaning just because Satan's left nut himself said it doesn't automatically make it a lie.
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Post by: Ford Prefect on August 12, 2004, 11:59:21 pm
I thought Hitler was Satan's right nut....
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Post by: Knight Templar on August 12, 2004, 11:59:56 pm
No, that's Stryke. :D
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Post by: Liberator on August 13, 2004, 12:07:02 am
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Originally posted by Rictor
Cut your military down to a reasnable size, enough to protect your borders, and watch 30% fly off your tax-rate.


The problem with this Rictor is that when you are the world second most hated nation(the first being Israel) you need some big guns to defend you're interests, because otherwise those interests and anyone nearby is quite literally toast.
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Post by: Ace on August 13, 2004, 12:38:09 am
mmm.... toast... let's add some eggs, a little sugar...

French toast anyone? :)
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Post by: Knight Templar on August 13, 2004, 12:41:11 am
Freedom Toast, retard. :p
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Post by: Ford Prefect on August 13, 2004, 12:42:20 am
Haha. Ironically, I'm an enthusiast of French culture, but I'm not big on French toast.
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Post by: Kamikaze on August 13, 2004, 12:43:42 am
Escargot is yummy. :)
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Post by: PeachE on August 13, 2004, 07:27:42 am
McGreevey is under all sorts of investigations for he and his fundraiser extorting campaign donations. in one case alone, they took 40000 from a farmer and in return the County's offer for development rights on that farm rose over 4 million dollars. His is quite possibly one of the most corrupt governorships in the union. even his resignation rings of corruption. had he waited any longer, a special election would have been held. but he timed it so that a member of his party would be able to keep the office.

it really is a shame that he went out that way. he should resign. but that he would blame his resignation on his homosexuality is a slap in the face not just for the gays but for everyone. in addition, the gay community should be outraged that someone would purport to feel unfit for office just for being gay.
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Post by: .::Tin Can::. on August 13, 2004, 08:23:10 am
He was Clinton's smear guy... ;)
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Post by: ionia23 on August 13, 2004, 11:25:09 am
Wow, this went OT in a hurry.  Let's deal with some facts:

Being 'gay' does NOT make one unfit for office.  Being a sociopath does.

Let me get this straight (no pun intended).  This nimrod just magically woke up one day and was 'gay'.  Well, that pretty much takes care of the 'born gay' b.s. people like to spew out.  What the guy did to his family was bad enough.

So I've lied to my wife and kids for years about something I knew the whole time.  Lovely.  So he's a ****bag, big deal.  That's the family's problem.

Obviously, Mr. Pity Party wasn't satisfied with that.  he had to go out and make himself look like a victim on national television.  "People won't accept me as governor because I'm gay".  Bullcrap.  People won't accept you because you're a lying sack of ****.  Notice he didn't address what he was really in hot water for.

His little Israeli boytoy that he brought over and put on the payroll?  THAT'S what he's in hot water for.

He's a piece of ****.  Not only is he unworthy of holding public office, but far as I'm concerned, he's unworthy of being a father as well.

End result: The conservative population gets the message that "Gays are, without a doubt, utterly incapable of honesty, integrity, or fidelity".  Way to go, Mr. Governor.  The liberal population gets.....whatever message fits it's current agenda.

Guy gets no pity from me.  None.  His family sure does though, especially his kids.  That's F***ED.

Anyone have an opinion that runs contrary to this?
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Post by: Ford Prefect on August 13, 2004, 12:01:41 pm
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Let me get this straight (no pun intended). This nimrod just magically woke up one day and was 'gay'. Well, that pretty much takes care of the 'born gay' b.s. people like to spew out. What the guy did to his family was bad enough.

Where did you arrive at this conclusion? When people come out of the closet, it's not because they've just decided that they're gay; it means they've decided to stop pretending that they're heterosexual.
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Post by: Ace Pace on August 13, 2004, 12:08:24 pm
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Originally posted by Drew
i dont see how any self respecting dude could actually inflate his dick looking at another dudes dick, and stick it in that dudes anus. I just cant figure it out.



You can't figure out it, but there it is, and being gay is no reason to not be elected, or to be forced out.

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Originally posted by Flipside    And, in the UK at least, there are very very few up and coming Gay politicians. Oddly enough though, there are an awful lot of established politicians who suddenly come out of the closet. Why is this? Do these people suddenly wake up and decide they are Gay? No. They have been Gay or Bisexual for their entire adult lives, but you'd be surprised how many little doors are closed to Politicians who don't already have their foot in them


As far as I know, in germany its not a big deal, with the press also rarly looking into politicians private life, as it should be.

And, ionia23, your right, being gay does not make one unfit for office, however, you can be both attracted to women, and men, at the same time, its called bi-sexual, and givin the fact he has a stable family, I would tend to lean towards that.
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Post by: Ford Prefect on August 13, 2004, 12:24:32 pm
Not necessarily true. There are many homosexuals who live their lives pretending to be heterosexual, and they have stable families and relationships. As I've said before, sexuality is a very complex aspect of the human psyche. Just because someone is gay doesn't mean they can't feel a genuine emotional attachment to someone of the opposite sex.
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Post by: Ace Pace on August 13, 2004, 12:35:40 pm
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Originally posted by Ford Prefect
Not necessarily true. There are many homosexuals who live their lives pretending to be heterosexual, and they have stable families and relationships. As I've said before, sexuality is a very complex aspect of the human psyche. Just because someone is gay doesn't mean they can't feel a genuine emotional attachment to someone of the opposite sex.


My mistake then, I thought he had children.
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Post by: ionia23 on August 13, 2004, 01:00:11 pm
Of course, coming out could just be a heterosexual pretending to be gay.  The whole thing is hooey.
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Post by: ionia23 on August 13, 2004, 01:01:15 pm
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Originally posted by Ford Prefect
Not necessarily true. There are many homosexuals who live their lives pretending to be heterosexual, and they have stable families and relationships. As I've said before, sexuality is a very complex aspect of the human psyche. Just because someone is gay doesn't mean they can't feel a genuine emotional attachment to someone of the opposite sex.


And a physical one too, apparently.  He's still a lying bastard.  Shoulda come out prior to walking down the aisle.
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Post by: karajorma on August 13, 2004, 01:15:46 pm
Unless he is bi-sexual in which case he's just a cheating bastard.

As for the whole born gay thing, we discussed it last week already.

Summary of last week. People argued back and forth about it. I pointed out that there is no conclusive evidence in either direction, several studies contradict each other but there is stronger evidence in favour of there actually being a gay gene.

Can we just leave it at that? It really doesn't matter whether people choose to be gay or just are born that way.
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Post by: ionia23 on August 13, 2004, 01:17:26 pm
Agreed.
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Post by: Ford Prefect on August 13, 2004, 01:17:47 pm
Harsh judgement is more poisonous than sin.
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Post by: Thorn on August 13, 2004, 07:29:40 pm
Posted on Matthew Good's website (http://www.matthewgood.org/web/mblog/).

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To define love is madness. To impress upon it some regulated understanding is to deny its purpose and its promise.

Love chooses us. And though we have attempted in vain throughout the ages to unlock its mysteries, we are still helpless in its grasp. Born man or woman, straight or gay, love chooses us and we follow.

If you believe that the God you worship personifies love then love in any form cannot be wrong. It is wholly contradictory to espouse the virtues of a universal love and yet disqualify those that do not fit within certain parameters. That is not love, unfortunately, but it’s corruption.

What deity would be so callous as to exclude those who do not meet specific “requirements of love”? What person would, in the same breathe, declare that God is love and then deny the love of those that they consider “corrupted”?

Love and forgiveness are inseparable. To forgive is divine they say, and yet forgiveness isn’t something many of us care to practice. Battles are being fought in nations throughout the world to ensure that same sex marriage is not legally recognized by people who are obviously so detached from the truths of love and forgiveness as to be in peril of supporting the opposite.

What arrogance must one possess to declare themselves the representative of such a powerful and universal thing? What person willingly denies and defames the love of complete strangers because of some personal insecurity or religious bigotry? How dare any of us undermine love?

To define love is madness. To defy it? Even more so.

If ever there was a time for us to embrace the world’s most powerful weapon and declare war, it’s now. Because to embrace the idea that the law and love are two separate issues is not the sort of inheritance that our children deserve. One has absolutely everything to do with the other, no matter who decries otherwise.


I think the man hit the nail on the head right there. Pretty much sums up how I feel on the whole issue.
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Post by: Ford Prefect on August 13, 2004, 07:37:09 pm
Yep, I think he has it quite right.
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Post by: Bobboau on August 13, 2004, 07:44:36 pm
yes, nice, but totaly unrelated to the subject at hand,  the guy in question used his sexuality as a doge, as a scapegoat, he probly did more damage to gay rights the other day then all the republicans in the world combined could ever do
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Post by: Thorn on August 13, 2004, 07:49:52 pm
I was just adding to what kara said.
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Post by: Stealth on August 15, 2004, 01:18:09 am
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Originally posted by Knight Templar

Seriously, the maturity (or lack thereof) level of some of you folks on semi-serious topics is frightening. Where the hell do you draw the line?


...

"For my opening act, I'm going to pull massive amounts of **** straight out of my ass, and act like I think it's real."

"What the hell kind of comeback is that? "OMFG shut up you geekz0r! i am right about governments and you dont have any pussy!"

"Freedom Toast, retard"
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Post by: Knight Templar on August 15, 2004, 02:53:30 am
Sarcasm flies right over your head, doesn't it?
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Post by: Bobboau on August 15, 2004, 02:58:20 am
your all gay.
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Post by: Knight Templar on August 15, 2004, 03:02:47 am
u r a h8r.
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Post by: Stealth on August 15, 2004, 04:02:03 pm
you weren't being sarcastic.  take a look at your first post in this thread.  that wasn't sarcasm.

hypocrite.
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Post by: Bobboau on August 15, 2004, 05:15:15 pm
you mean were he mocks the starter of the thread for holding the "stupid liberal faggot" opionion
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Post by: Stealth on August 16, 2004, 01:37:48 am
he "mocks" him by saying

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Seriously, the maturity (or lack thereof) level of some of you folks on semi-serious topics is frightening. Where the hell do you draw the line?


i just found it funny that he mocks the creator of the thread for being immature on such "semi-serious topics", and then we take a look at the posts he makes in the rest of the thread and... yeah.
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Post by: TilenN on August 16, 2004, 01:51:09 am
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Originally posted by Drew
i dont see how any self respecting dude could actually inflate his dick looking at another dudes dick, and stick it in that dudes anus. I just cant figure it out.


If you think being gay is more or less what you described, then you are very, very wrong. (probably lesbians are cool then- two hot women kissing and groping each other??) Try to think it's more or less the same (they say so and being gay doesn't contribute to lying more) as any heteroseksual man or woman, only that the person he or she falls IN LOVE with is of the same sex. That's it.
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Post by: TilenN on August 16, 2004, 02:20:32 am
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Originally posted by Liberator


The problem with this Rictor is that when you are the world second most hated nation(the first being Israel) you need some big guns to defend your interests, because otherwise those interests and anyone nearby is quite literally toast.


Oh great... have you ever though about why america is the most hated nation in the world?? Something must've happened after the second world war, when probably the america was the most loved country, except for the Germany and Japan, but even they learned to love it, in time.

Then there was the cold war, the soviets hated the US and the US hated them back. Still not much hate, and evenly distributed.

But, one thing else happened. When the US was still loved, it used those ""big guns to defend your interests""... Well, you can't be loved if you beat the crap out of people in a dosen or more countries for oil and other "interests".

Try to think if it this way- America is a modern superpower, in economy and military at least. Somewhat like a Father to the rest of the world. Well, if you are the father, you can't have some children you like and the others you constantly keep beating and starving. No wonder they hate their dad.
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Post by: Knight Templar on August 16, 2004, 03:21:47 am
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Originally posted by Stealth
you weren't being sarcastic.  take a look at your first post in this thread.  that wasn't sarcasm.

hypocrite.


Oh right. *phew* It's a good thing I have you along to decide for me when I'm going to be sarcastic or not. You know, because it's just too much work to do on my own, and I might do something stupid like purposefully say something which happens to be the opposite of what I mean, typically out of character for myself, to make a point. We all know how much that would suck. Thank you stealth.
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Post by: Bobboau on August 16, 2004, 04:35:13 am
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Originally posted by TilenN
oil and other such responces


your new arn't you?
/*looks at reg date*/
yup

please tell me that the only reason we invaded Iraq was oil so I can know you simply want an easy way to explain away the world and I can move on.

and sarcasm; the act of stateing an opionion or position in such a way as to point out undesireable traits, I see no immature post KT made that wasn't blatent sarcasm, prove me wrong.

KT, haven't we learned that it's not safe to use any ftp that An0n runs, especaly when he's being banned from the forum inquestion
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Post by: Bobboau on August 16, 2004, 04:48:00 am
I mean come ON!

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Originally posted by Knight Templar

 
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Originally posted by Rampage

Gov. McGreevey of NJ resigns. That's one liberal out of public office!  
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Yeah! Stupid liberal faggots!

....  :wtf:


that is mocking Rampage's atitude about the situation

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Seriously, the maturity (or lack thereof) level of some of you folks on semi-serious topics is frightening. Where the hell do you draw the line?
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that is him refineing his position
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Post by: Knight Templar on August 16, 2004, 04:59:24 am
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Originally posted by Bobboau
KT, haven't we learned that it's not safe to use any ftp that An0n runs, especaly when he's being banned from the forum inquestion


Indeed, for the most part. But... why do you ask?
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Post by: TilenN on August 16, 2004, 05:07:35 am
responces = resources. I made a typo. Of course oil wasn't the only reason, but it was one of the more blatant ones. Will there be an open offer to the best bidder to exploit the Iraqi oil sources? Of course not.

The rest of the reasons: to stabilize the area and influence the rest of the middle east, to crush Saddam, and others probably. In that order. Now if Saddam was more cooperative (and he would be, if there was no gulf war), like the Saudis, then he would still be happy oppresing his people. Until they grew tired of him and stormed him- it would happen eventually, without any foreign intervention.

I did not mention WMD, because there weren't any (to begin with). I did not mention (islamic) terrorists, because Saddam wouldn't let them live. He was an atheist and a dictator for crying out loud, they would only serve to undermine his rule.
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Post by: mitac on August 16, 2004, 11:28:50 am
I'm always amazed that every controversial topic involves the Nazis, sooner or later. I get the impression you guys all across the world think about them and refer to them a lot more often than the Germans themselves. ;)

Anyway, sticking to the original topic, I may add a quote : "I'm gay, and that's just fine." This was said by Klaus Wowereit, maior of Berlin, about 3 years ago. And guess what - he's even more popular than before, despite the general atmosphere turning against his party, the social democrats.
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Post by: Stealth on August 16, 2004, 12:18:40 pm
Well, it seemed like you were attacking Rictor for being immature (which you were) on a topic like this.  

and then later on you show him up with your immaturity

:wtf: :rolleyes:
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Post by: Bobboau on August 16, 2004, 06:49:10 pm
he atacked Rictor?
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Post by: Stealth on August 16, 2004, 11:01:43 pm
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originally posted by you
that is mocking Rampage's atitude about the situation


because rictor said "that's one liberal out of public office" and he said "yeah.  stupid liberal faggots :wtf:"
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Post by: MatthewPapa on August 16, 2004, 11:09:07 pm
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Originally posted by Drew
i dont see how any self respecting dude could actually inflate his dick looking at another dudes dick, and stick it in that dudes anus. I just cant figure it out.


LOL. Thats about how I feel about it too.

Someday in America, homosexuality will just be thought of as an accepted thing. It already is in some countries. I fear for the future...
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Post by: Ford Prefect on August 16, 2004, 11:16:52 pm
Acceptance of homosexuality is nothing new. It's only new to our society.
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Post by: tEAbAG on August 17, 2004, 12:07:10 am
A major part of greek culture was the man-boy relationship, kinda creepy, but nothing new.

Homosexuality is just one of those wired humanity does like clog dancing or flavored condoms.  Strange to most, maybe a little scary, but theres some who get a kick out of it.
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Post by: Bobboau on August 17, 2004, 12:17:14 am
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Originally posted by Stealth
because rictor said "that's one liberal out of public office" and he said "yeah.  stupid liberal faggots :wtf:"


what the hell are you on!? _RAMPAGE_, son of RAMPAGE, he whom dwells in The Christian World, staff member of atempted suicides, Rampage said that, KT was mocking RAMPAGE, not RICTOR, IIRC Rictor agreed (at least somewhat) with KT, I don't even think Rictor posted before KT did! he was mocking Rampages atitude of him being a liberal and therefore becose of him being liberal and ,oh yes, gay as well, it was a good thing that he was gone. and rampage seemed to not have any knowldeg of the man other than he was a democrat and gay and based his judgement on this information as if it was the only information that was needed to condem the man, when in reality there was a shmorgusboard of crap that was in fact toaly valid as for celebrateing his departure.
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Post by: Knight Templar on August 17, 2004, 12:27:15 am
Stealth, something tells me you're the only one confused. Not just here either.

You may want to see someone about that.
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Post by: Stealth on August 17, 2004, 12:49:05 am
Bobbau:  yeah, i meant Rampage.  not Rictor.

Knight_Templar: no.  point is you said that it's amazing how immature some people are on "semi-serious topics" and then you started saying some pretty immature things...  end of story.
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Post by: Knight Templar on August 17, 2004, 12:53:48 am
Indeed. However, I'd suggest attaining a higher mastery of irony before continuing on the subject. Homo.
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Post by: Stealth on August 17, 2004, 01:26:26 am
there was no "irony" or "sarcasm" involved.  it was just you being stupid.  as usual.
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Post by: Knight Templar on August 17, 2004, 02:38:30 am
Nuh uh! U R teh STUPID! :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :hopping:
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Post by: Bobboau on August 17, 2004, 02:45:17 am
and thus another post recognised as sarcastic wit.

give an example of immaturitiy, or are you still unable to see the sarcasm of the first statement
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Post by: PeachE on August 17, 2004, 08:26:29 am
what's funny is how many people try to prove themselves better by pointing out someone else's immaturity :p
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Post by: aldo_14 on August 17, 2004, 08:29:13 am
"No, YOU'RE immature. Nyah nyah na na na"
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Post by: Stealth on August 17, 2004, 11:09:55 am
*sigh* it's useless
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Post by: 01010 on August 17, 2004, 11:48:05 am
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Originally posted by Stealth
*sigh* it's useless


You should maybe see a doctor about that.
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Post by: redmenace on August 17, 2004, 11:51:18 am
The victim is saying that he is not even gay.
LOL
but aside from that news, the man betrayed the trust of the public inorder to fullfil his extramarital desires. This is what is most greivous.
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Post by: Stealth on August 17, 2004, 11:54:30 am
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Originally posted by 01010


You should maybe see a doctor about that.


oh
har har har.  you think i'm talking about my penis being "useless".  was that the first thing you thought about?
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Post by: Flipside on August 17, 2004, 12:20:30 pm
Whenever you see a politician being unfaithful and resigning because of it, look for an different motive, as Bobb pointed out, this guy was so knee deep in self-generated poop that the whole 'Gay' thing is simply a distraction technique, whether it is true or not.
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Post by: Styxx on August 17, 2004, 01:05:45 pm
"Nyah nyah, na na na!"