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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Flipside on August 20, 2004, 11:39:06 am
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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=519&ncid=519&e=10&u=/ap/20040820/ap_on_re_us/communion_denied
This is just too pathetic for words :(
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I'm a Protestant who believes that such rituals are not critical to salvation.
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I'm an atheist who laughs at people performing Pagan rituals and pretending they are Christian, but it's still pathetic ;)
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you know they only like boys there if you get what i'm meaning heh heh:
scientists
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Well, from a religious point of view, rules are rules. You can't just disregard the ones you feel are inconvenient, becuase that would mean you are not truly devout. Or something. If it says wheat, it means wheat and nothing else. And good luck trying to convince the Vatican that orthodoxy ain't really all that great, you know.
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"God loves us all. Except you, because you can't eat wheat."
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/me is glad /me is atheist
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So, from the Catholics mindset
- God loves everyone
- God creates Man
- God orders them only to eat wheat for communion
- God creates little girl who can't eat wheat
- GOD HATES YOU LITTLE GIRL! BURN IN THE PITS OF FIREY HELL!
Yay religion!
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Convincing the Vatican that Orthodoxy isn't great is like trying to convince Bill Gates that he doesn't need any more money.
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Originally posted by Flipside
Convincing the Vatican that Orthodoxy isn't great is like trying to convince Bill Gates that he doesn't need any more money.
Well, the Pope believes in Evolution (kinda) and Bill Gates just gave something like 40 million to Australian charities to get computers into regional communities, so things are looking up then.
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But still you cannot eat wheat. Sucka ;)
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LOL Indeed, invest £40 million in Regional Communities and watch those licences/upgrades etc add up ;)
Seriously though, I didn't know the Pope believed in Evolution, kinda hopeful in a way :)
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I'm Catholic, and as far as I know, if you just drink the wine and don't eat the bread you're just as well off as if you did the opposite (which people do ALL the time).
Utter stupidity on the part of the Church...
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With big businesses like Microsoft and the rich bastards that run them, its a choice of giving $40 million in taxes or giving $40 million to charity. I appreciate the gesture, but I somehow doubt that it was done out of the kindness of his heart. Charity is a great tax write-off, no wonder so many rich people are so eager to donate.
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I'm not certain if that applies to international charitable donations, and even if it does, I'd rather see the money in the hands of Aussie charities than funding the American war machine.
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[color=66ff00]I'd love to introduce a retro virus into the population that induced wheat intolerance.
We'd see how fast they changed the rules then.
Here's hoping that they realise that you can believe in God with the same amount of validity and not be subject to ridiculous rules.
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Originally posted by Flipside
I'm an atheist who laughs at people performing Pagan rituals and pretending they are Christian, but it's still pathetic ;)
What sort of "pagans" are you including in that statement?
I"m very opposed to people lumping all non-catholics into a giant evil entity that kills animals and tries to invoke the devil.
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Pagan as in 'Non Christian'. Yule, Easther, Harvest, even the meal of unleavened bread and wine was to celebrate the gathering of a successful crop.
Beelzubub was the name of the Pagan charioteer that drove the sun across the sky and wasn't a name for Satan until the Church wanted to stem paganism in the UK.
Satan himself is modelled on 'Pan' for most of Europe and 'Herne the Hunter' for the UK, once again, a Pagan God that had been converted into a representative for Satan, not because Satan existed, but simply, once again, to persecute non-christians. Herne was the God of a Succesfull hunt, but anyone seen performing the ritual, with horns strapped to his head and 'cloven' deer feet, to represent the prey, was immediately branded as a 'Devil Worshipper'.
That is how Christianity got so big, by persecuting anyone who didn't agree with them.
Interesting fact :-
When the Catholics tried to defeat the Church of England, they referred to the churches, designed and built by Catholic Christians, as Mosques. Says a lot really ;)
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Originally posted by Flipside
Pagan as in 'Non Christian'. Yule, Easther, Harvest, even the meal of unleavened bread and wine was to celebrate the gathering of a successful crop.
Beelzubub was the name of the Pagan charioteer that drove the sun across the sky and wasn't a name for Satan until the Church wanted to stem paganism in the UK.
Satan himself is modelled on 'Pan' for most of Europe and 'Herne the Hunter' for the UK, once again, a Pagan God that had been converted into a representative for Satan, not because Satan existed, but simply, once again, to persecute non-christians. Herne was the God of a Succesfull hunt, but anyone seen performing the ritual, with horns strapped to his head and 'cloven' deer feet, to represent the prey, was immediately branded as a 'Devil Worshipper'.
That is how Christianity got so big, by persecuting anyone who didn't agree with them.
Interesting fact :-
When the Catholics tried to defeat the Church of England, they referred to the churches, designed and built by Catholic Christians, as Mosques. Says a lot really ;)
Alright, thanks Flipside. I wasn't intending to instigate a flamewar or anything, I just wanted to make sure the facts were straight (and you seem to have them like an arrow :D ;))
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LOL No problem, :D I know things like the Wickerman etc existed, but mostly Paganism was peaceful, and the Wickerman was no worse than some atrocoties commited by the Inquisition ;)
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Originally posted by Flipside
I'm an atheist who laughs at people performing Pagan rituals and pretending they are Christian, but it's still pathetic ;)
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I'm glad Flipside typed that one out for me - I couldn't have said it any better. Shame most people (and I use "most" losely) don't know any better.
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Originally posted by Maeglamor
[color=66ff00]I'd love to introduce a retro virus into the population that induced wheat intolerance.
We'd see how fast they changed the rules then.
Here's hoping that they realise that you can believe in God with the same amount of validity and not be subject to ridiculous rules.
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You'd put Wheat Crunchies out of business, though.
and they're brilliant handover cures IIRC.
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Well I don't know about you followers of the Holy God, but I certainly don't want sub-human non-wheat eating little demon girls going off to live in eternity with me.
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Whoever said you'd get to heaven? :lol:
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Hey, I can handle my damn wheat. :p
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We'll see if that one cuts it when you reach the pearly gates :)
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Originally posted by Black Wolf
Bill Gates just gave something like 40 million to Australian charities to get computers into regional communities, so things are looking up then.[/color]
to get computers into regional communities so that people can be trained into his systems --- once most people learn how to use one type of operating systrem it is extremely difficult for them to learn a second one ---- don't fool yourself by thinking he'[s being altruistic, he's trying to propagate the market for his software _and_ can write of 80 million dollars from his taxes
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"What have you done to deserve entry to heaven? what great deeds of kindness have you performed?"
"Well, I ate a packet of wheat crunchies last week"
"Fair enuff"
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Originally posted by Kazan
to get computers into regional communities so that people can be trained into his systems --- once most people learn how to use one type of operating systrem it is extremely difficult for them to learn a second one ---- don't fool yourself by thinking he'[s being altruistic, he's trying to propagate the market for his software _and_ can write of 80 million dollars from his taxes
It's free computers, innit? Better than having nothing.
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Maybe the Vatican should have a sign outside saying :-
'Warning - May contain Nuts' ;)
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All things bright and beautiful, all creatures great and wheat intolerant ...? I suspect stupidity may be cause, an exorcism is called for:
www.lysator.liu.se/ ~smallgod/dogbert.gif
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Originally posted by Flipside
Maybe the Vatican should have a sign outside saying :-
'Warning - May contain Nuts' ;)
I remember the story of the Tartan Army's visit to the Vatican (to lay a wreath at a memorial for Bonnie Prince Charlie, IIRC) before a game vs Italy.
The piper played The Sash.
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Bah, I renounced my being Cathloic and changed my religion to Wicca (although I'm still studying). One of the reasons was that stuff like this doesn't happen in the latter :D
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The piper played The Sash.[/q]
:lol: :yes:
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"Fair enuff"
So when did God drop out of school? ;)
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:lol: I just love the fact that that news article had the phonetic version of the word "gluten"! :rolleyes:
EDIT: Ah, it's the American Yahoo. That'd be it..... :nervous:
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Originally posted by Ford Prefect
So when did God drop out of school? ;)
THat'd be St. Peter ifimnotmistaken.
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Originally posted by aldo_14
THat'd be St. Peter ifimnotmistaken.
Correct.
I'm not even religious and I know half this stuff...
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Bah, we all know St. Peter is just God in disguise when he wants to see what's going on without getting tailed by paparazzi.
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defenitly need a reformation....
@ Ford: LOL
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Originally posted by Black Wolf
Bill Gates just gave something like 40 million to Australian charities to get computers into regional communities, so things are looking up then.
Running windows. From charities who otherwise might have used Linux PCs cause they are cheaper. Beware of MS philanthopy when it relates to PCs there have been a couple of cases where the donation was only offered AFTER MS learned that they were planning to defect to Linux in order to save money.
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and that gentlemen and Mrs. Axe Woman, is why I don't understand people's minds... especially catholic's beliefs
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unfortunately i do understand peoples minds *shakes head*
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We all know you do, or atleast you "think" you do.
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if i only "thought i knew" i wouldn't be able to actually anticipate the responses of my opposition
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Example?
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knowing _why_ people think something has made it so i could anticipate every argument on the subject thrown at me, even if they're slightly varied I always know where to immediately look for the weaknesses
i will not go into what subjects I can cite as best examples because it will incite a flamewar
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OIC... good luck with that
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Two philosophers were once walking by a pond. At one point, one of the two glances into the pond and says, "Look at those fish. They must be happy just swimming in their pond." The second philosopher replies, "How do you know that the fish are happy? You are not a fish." To which the first responds, "How do you know whether I can tell the fish are happy? You are not me."
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Nice quote...
Did you just think of that? :)
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No, actually. I believe it's an old Chinese story.
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It's nice, I'm not sure which side to take.
But, I guess Kazan would be the one telling the person he can't tell the fish is happy, because he doesn't believe in things that can be backed up by proof
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My own personal favourite quote at the moment is a Chinese one...
'At the end of the game, the King and the Pawn go back into the same box' ;)
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:nod::yes:
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jdjtcagle: you chose unwisely
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Having watched fish for several hours, I can reliably confirm that what my fish is thinking is.....'OOOoooooooo!'. 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, it just looks permanently surprised to be in a glass tank! If I can figure out how to turn the flash off on my camera, I might even take a snap ;)
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BTW: fish do have moods and behaviors (/me breeds fish .. remember)
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LOL I know, actually, I find my fish very restful, though they can be terribly snotty when they are hungry and go hide under rocks and won't come out unless I open the top of the tank and pour food in ;)
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/me is glad he's a Baptist
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Originally posted by Maeglamor
[color=66ff00]I'd love to introduce a retro virus into the population that induced wheat intolerance.
We'd see how fast they changed the rules then.
Here's hoping that they realise that you can believe in God with the same amount of validity and not be subject to ridiculous rules.
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Hey, what about us bread loving aetheists you bastard?!
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[q]/me is glad he's a Baptist[/q]
I was at a baptist service once, one of my friends (female ;)) was being... baptized(?). Anyway, I think it was an interesting way of experiencing the feelings of being part of the church in general, since it was very very easy just to slip into the whole singing hymns to a guitar and drums band...
/me retained his atheism nonetheless.
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This whole thing reminds me of one of the reasons I don't believe in anything.
And most Christian rituals are based on Pagan rituals, but they lie to cover that fact up.
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Originally posted by 01010
Hey, what about us bread loving aetheists you bastard?!
[color=66ff00]Rye bread, rice bread...
The italians are pretty much screwed though but then we can invade and take their sports cars.
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Screw dat! I want an Austin Martin ;)
You know, no intelligent self-respecting law authority in the world would consider a 2000 year old rule binding and immutable, else we'd still be hanging people for stealing salt ;)
And yet Religion does it all the time :wtf:
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Aston Martin ASTON!!!!
Christ you people are incouragable! (sp?)
http://www.astonmartin.co.uk/start.html
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Meh, it's late, I typed in 'Astin' and it looked wrong, I changed the wrong letter :p
Either way, gimme! :D