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Title: United States cruiser
Post by: Unknown Target on August 21, 2004, 04:57:10 pm
This for Nova: The End of Peace. What do you guys think? The only thing I don't personally like about it are the gun turrets (they're the spheres with mohawks/ammo belts ;)):
 
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v56/UnknownTarget/uscruiser.jpg)

Should be noted that I know it's missing something, so it's still a WIP. ;)
Title: the guns
Post by: Getter Robo G on August 21, 2004, 05:03:29 pm
They feel out of porportion to the ship... Try making them HALF to 75% of their current size? And also add a third turret to the rear between the missile box and the stern of the ship to balance it out... Just an opinion...
Title: United States cruiser
Post by: vyper on August 21, 2004, 05:06:54 pm
Starboard view, the guns look just fine - I think the bow view is just badly scaled.

Anyway, that looks quite nice - very ww1 battleship-era-esque. (big, bulky, with heavy firepower for it's size).

I'd maybe add some detail (like a telescopic looking effect on the guns or maybe greebling the surface of the main blocky turret areas).
Title: United States cruiser
Post by: magatsu1 on August 21, 2004, 05:26:41 pm
needs to be wider IMO
Title: United States cruiser
Post by: Krackers87 on August 21, 2004, 05:38:15 pm
it needs.... spoilers....
Title: United States cruiser
Post by: Knight Templar on August 21, 2004, 05:39:34 pm
It needs an American Flag on the side.
Title: United States cruiser
Post by: Unknown Target on August 21, 2004, 05:41:19 pm
Updated:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v56/UnknownTarget/uscruiser2.jpg)

And the flag will come with textures...which I can't do :(
Title: United States cruiser
Post by: jdjtcagle on August 21, 2004, 06:03:33 pm
The guns are way toooo big. Looks good though. :)
Title: United States cruiser
Post by: capsfan9803 on August 21, 2004, 06:05:31 pm
Question: how long is it?  Cause that could affect the porportionality (...is that a word?) of the guns.
Title: United States cruiser
Post by: Ace on August 21, 2004, 06:06:26 pm
Big guns can be fine, but they need more character than just big barrels.

Anyway, what's the intended paint scheme? The black look of doom that the new USAF fighters have?
Title: SEE!
Post by: Getter Robo G on August 21, 2004, 06:14:45 pm
I'm not the ONLY one... (the voices tell me that)... :nervous:
Title: United States cruiser
Post by: Jetmech Jr. on August 21, 2004, 06:21:36 pm
Sorry, while that is definately a sexy ship, those deck gun things look way out of proportion.
Title: United States cruiser
Post by: Unknown Target on August 21, 2004, 06:34:07 pm
Deck guns resized to about their original size.
Title: United States cruiser
Post by: Setekh on August 21, 2004, 06:59:05 pm
I like it a lot. Kinda reminds me of some of the frigates in Freelancer. :)
Title: United States cruiser
Post by: Unknown Target on August 21, 2004, 07:05:11 pm
Thanks :)

Guns resized to this:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v56/UnknownTarget/uscruiserwithguns.jpg)

Better?
Title: United States cruiser
Post by: jdjtcagle on August 21, 2004, 07:14:24 pm
Yeah, but your making these things Huge, IIRC

IMHO, it could be "slightly" smaller than that

I love the design :)
Title: United States cruiser
Post by: Hellbender on August 21, 2004, 07:27:15 pm
Reminds me of a Brittish WW1 - WW2 era monitor, with the outsized turrets. The general hull shape says "Wing Commander". The engines look pure Starlancer Cap-ship.

Still, it has a nice, lean, predatory look, though it is spoiled a bit by the oversized cannon barrels. Perhaps slightly shortening (length in first shot would do) and tapering the gun tubes would do the trick.

Overall a nice effort.
Title: it's a start...
Post by: Getter Robo G on August 21, 2004, 07:42:33 pm
At least now I can look at it and not just see damn gun barrels... Seriously, couldn't you tell that all your great detail was being overwhelmed by the guns?
Title: United States cruiser
Post by: Unknown Target on August 21, 2004, 07:43:21 pm
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Originally posted by Unknown Target
Thanks :)

Guns resized to this:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v56/UnknownTarget/uscruiserwithguns.jpg)

Better?



Are you all still talking about this picture too?

Because those guns are about the same size as the ones in the first shot, possibly smaller.
Title: United States cruiser
Post by: jdjtcagle on August 21, 2004, 08:55:27 pm
:nod:
Title: United States cruiser
Post by: Trivial Psychic on August 21, 2004, 09:19:29 pm
Mmmm....

Phaser Rifle!

Seriously though, just reduce the barrel length in that last image by about 25%, with possibly a mild taper towards the tip, and that should do it.
Title: United States cruiser
Post by: Liberator on August 21, 2004, 10:14:22 pm
My biggest grip is, unless this ship is 2 kliks long, it's entirely too narrow/missing stuff that would be needed for crew/ordinance/stores.  Right now it looks like a backbone for a ship with engine pod, Command Bridge, and primary guns.  It's anorexic.
Title: United States cruiser
Post by: jdjtcagle on August 21, 2004, 11:57:31 pm
UT once told me that his ships were double the size than normal Fs2 style ships...
Title: United States cruiser
Post by: Gloriano on August 22, 2004, 01:42:31 am
Nice, Good work UT :)
Title: United States cruiser
Post by: Liberator on August 22, 2004, 02:31:10 am
In that case, I revise my statement.

It looks anorexic.

It needs to be wider somehow, or give it a reason to be that long and slender, like a rail gun or something.
Title: United States cruiser
Post by: Knight Templar on August 22, 2004, 03:34:42 am
Sometimes I think you guys forget how long 2 kilometers is.
Title: United States cruiser
Post by: Bobboau on August 22, 2004, 03:38:34 am
about a mile
Title: United States cruiser
Post by: Zarax on August 22, 2004, 07:34:13 am
Around 1.25 miles... It's a destroyer more than a cruiser imho...
Title: United States cruiser
Post by: Knight Templar on August 22, 2004, 09:21:12 pm
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Originally posted by Bobboau
about a mile


Indeed. A lot of stuff fits in a mile.
Title: United States cruiser
Post by: Liberator on August 22, 2004, 10:23:56 pm
But even at that length, it's only about 200 wide and 500 tall.  Even calulating volume(2000x200x500=20000000 cubic meters)  that not a lot of volume for a ship like that, given that a lot of that is going to armor and reactor/otherwise uninhabitable.  Max crew is going to be about 500 comfortably.
Title: United States cruiser
Post by: karajorma on August 23, 2004, 04:52:34 am
You must be joking. Take a look at an aircraft carrier or submarine's personel in comparison.

You could fit 500 people in one of the turret barrels on that thing.
Title: United States cruiser
Post by: aldo_14 on August 23, 2004, 04:54:38 am
Who gives a ****?  It's a game, after all.  If it looks good and sounds good, go for it is what I say.
Title: United States cruiser
Post by: karajorma on August 23, 2004, 04:58:45 am
To be honest it gets on my nerves when people complain about the so-called unrealistic crew numbers on FS2 ships.

The numbers are less than those on a ship a quarter the size in the current day navy so I don't get it.

Add to that the "Who gives a ****" factor that Aldo mentions I really don't know why anyone is complaining about it.
Title: United States cruiser
Post by: aldo_14 on August 23, 2004, 07:09:43 am
Quote
Originally posted by karajorma
To be honest it gets on my nerves when people complain about the so-called unrealistic crew numbers on FS2 ships.
 


Bodycount=good

;7
Title: United States cruiser
Post by: Gloriano on August 23, 2004, 07:15:12 am
Quote
Originally posted by aldo_14
Who gives a ****?  It's a game, after all.  If it looks good and sounds good, go for it is what I say.




:yes: :nod:
Title: United States cruiser
Post by: Swamp_Thing on August 23, 2004, 07:25:13 am
One would think they would reduce crew numbers in the future, no? Computers would run mostly everything. But FS stomps on that theory, assigning a crew member to each button or switch in the ships! Just look at the Colossus! 30.000 people??? Holy guacamole, that´s a whole lot of buttons to push!!! No wonder they got "murdelized", the crewmember in charge of the "fire" button was on sick leave.:D :D
Title: United States cruiser
Post by: pyro-manic on August 23, 2004, 07:35:03 am
Quote
Originally posted by aldo_14
Who gives a ****?  It's a game, after all.  If it looks good and sounds good, go for it is what I say.


Damn straight! :D As has been said, the guns are too big, but it's a cracking design. Outstanding. :):yes:
Title: United States cruiser
Post by: TopAce on August 23, 2004, 08:44:01 am
I have problem with none of the variants above.
How many polygons will the game have to display when one of these ships is on screen? Just out of curiousity, it looks like to be more-poly rich than KARMA's fenris. It slows down my machine so much, so I found it better to enquire first.
Title: United States cruiser
Post by: Unknown Target on August 23, 2004, 05:09:39 pm
None traingulated is 3172 polies :)