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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Corsair on August 31, 2004, 10:31:10 pm
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Arnold just went and did it again.
"...and to those critics who are so pessimistic about our economy, I say: don't be economic girlie men!"
[ singlehandedly displaying Republican homophobia and Republican denial .. what a guy ]
Discuss.
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Best Arnold line ever
"Remember when I said I kill you last......I lied"
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[color=66ff00]"To be or not to be?
Not to be."
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Nah, this is the best in my opinion:
Bad guy: "Then what is the difference between me and you?"
Arnold: "The difference is... I'm just gonna kill you."
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No, he's simultaneously making fun of the sissy California Democrats who got offended by his last statement and stating the obvious truth that the economy is on the rebound. Discuss that :p.
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There are no obvious truths in economics.
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american.****ing.politcs.is.a.****ing.joke.
I just watched Arnie, the Bush sisters and Laura Bush, and I can honestly say that it would be funny as hell if it weren't so tragic.
I have nothing but contempt for anyone who takes that seriously. It a farce.
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singlehandedly displaying Republican homophobia
oh for.....
i can see what's next. every time i call a male a "pussy", i'm going to be labeled homophobic.
have you never heard someone say "don't be a girl". or something like that? it doesn't mean they're homophobic. god damn.
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hell, why didn't he pull out a shotgun right there and then, grab on to a helicopter with his spare hand and fly heroicly out to kick some terrorist ass.
don't worry about political correctness, its #2 on the list of priorities, right after "reform the whole ****ing politcal process to something a sane person could live with."
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Originally posted by Stealth
oh for.....
i can see what's next. every time i call a male a "pussy", i'm going to be labeled homophobic.
have you never heard someone say "don't be a girl". or something like that? it doesn't mean they're homophobic. god damn.
Exactly. All it means is that their generally sexist and may or may not beat their wives.
That aside, Arnold is the most exciting tihng to hit our political world since Howard Dean. I don't care about all the mutterings of Nazi America, Scwartzenegger as president would be well worth the price of homosexual and liberal Death Camps just in entertainment value alone. :yes:
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yeah, he's the greatest personality in the Republican camp. He knows its bull****, just like all the other politicians, but he manages to convince the audience unlike all the other talking heads.
Its all emtpy rhetorica, slogans and propaganda, but he does it well. I wonder if 50 years from now, we'll be watching the Arnie speeches the same way that people todat watch the Hitler speeches.
That man is going to be the next President. Which makes it even worse.
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Well, *realistically* a few minor ammendments would need to be made for him to *legally* be president. But it's not like those sorts of things haven't been fixed before...
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That's not possible. He wasn't born an American citizen.
[EDIT] Damn, too quick.
Anyway, yeah I watched the convention, too. It kinda made me want to throw up, especially with every round of "four more years" or "God bless America."
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Yet....
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Originally posted by Knight Templar
Well, *realistically* a few minor ammendments would need to be made for him to *legally* be president. But it's not like those sorts of things haven't been fixed before...
apparently they're already looking into what adjustments would have to be made for him to be president :( :sigh: :sigh: :sigh:
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Originally posted by Stealth
:( :sigh: :sigh: :sigh:
Are you insane? That would be the coolest thing to happen to the US presidency since, err... Clinton I guess. But still pretty cool.
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I would vote for him! :D
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Lets face it, he'd be better than the two candidates you guys have had dumped on you at the moment :D
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Well he couldn't do any worse.:drevil:
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Originally posted by Rictor
Its all emtpy rhetorica, slogans and propaganda, but he does it well. I wonder if 50 years from now, we'll be watching the Arnie speeches the same way that people todat watch the Hitler speeches.
What, in the sense of "Look at that Austrian loon!" ?
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Or, pay up suckers, not my money anywhayyy!!!
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Originally posted by Ford Prefect
There are no obvious truths in economics.
Is +50 to -400 Billion $ obvious enough?
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Originally posted by aldo_14
What, in the sense of "Look at that Austrian loon!" ?
No, in the sense of "And this children, is how to tie the audience around your finger and make them dance like puppets". The Auestrian thing is just a coincidence.
While Arnie would certainly be different when it comes to image and all that, there is no reason to believe his policies would be any different tha Bush's or Reagan's. What saddens me is that these days, its all about image, the actual politics matter very littlle.
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for Schwarzenaegger to be able to be elected president the constitution must be ammended -- this consists of
getting a 75%+ supermajority in both houses of congress
getting a 75%+ supermajority in state ratifications
so unless he has a _HUGE_ popularity surge (which could only be gained by leaving the repugnanticon party) he's never going to have the slightest chance
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He should never be president anyway.
he is doing good things in california. But he is a womanizing jerk who would only disgrace the office. Consenting sex is one thing and a embarrisment enough outside of marriage but sexual harasment is another.
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he would disgrace the office?
You guys have such strange notions of what disgrace entails. Sexual harrasment is the most evil thing ever, but ordering the murder of a couple thousands innocents isn't? Nor is restricting civil liberties. Nor is breaking international law?
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Well, to be honest, a lot of the 'good' that Arnie does is simply by leaving stuff alone. When he does get involved, he usually manages to piss someone off, look at his whole idea about stray animals being put down after 24 hours etc.
The thought of this guy as President is scary, look what happened last time you had an actor in power ;)
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international law ceases to be internation law when in fact people don't have the balls to enforce it. IE the UN.
What "thousands of innocents" were killed by the presidents order?
thirdly reagan wasn't horrible. he cut taxes and made movements in american politics that would never have come otherwise. IE welfare reform. he also stood up to communism. Such actions like help the afganis kick out the russians and the action in grenada.
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Originally posted by redmenace
the action in grenada.
Don't f**king get me started on the complete f**k up you Americans made in Grenada. The only danger the students were in was from American soldiers shooting at them.
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WHY THE F*** DOES A CARRIBEAN ISLAND NEED A 10000 foot runway for? huh? we were asked to assist by the carribean nations because they were concerned about grenada and their sovereignty. Wouldn't you? They had backing from USSR and Cuba.
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Originally posted by redmenace
WHY THE F*** DOES A CARRIBEAN ISLAND NEED A 10000 foot runway for? huh? we were asked to assist by the carribean nations because they were concerned about grenada and their sovereignty. Wouldn't you? They had backing from USSR and Cuba.
Obviously they needed it if the US completed building the airport years later.
Birmingham has an airport with a 9000ft long runway - does that make them an invasion target? After all, you're less likely to take a tourist flight to Brummie-land than Grenada......
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Originally posted by redmenace
WHY THE F*** DOES A CARRIBEAN ISLAND NEED A 10000 foot runway for? huh? we were asked to assist by the carribean nations because they were concerned about grenada and their sovereignty. Wouldn't you? They had backing from USSR and Cuba.
Why the F**k wasn't Britain more worried then if it was a threat? Grenada is a commonwealth nation.
Why was there all this stink about how the evil cubans were holding American students prisonners when in fact they were on good terms with them and played basketball with them?
Why was there all this stink about the runway and how the cubans and Grenadan government wouldn't let them get pictures when a BBC reporter was able to just walk up to the end and film a report from there?
Why was the invasion of Grenada planned on a road map from a petrol station.
The simple fact is that like the Star Wars project the invasion of Grenada was just a case of Regan going off half cocked without waiting for information on the subject.
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Originally posted by karajorma
Why the F**k wasn't Britain more worried then if it was a threat? Grenada is a commonwealth nation.
IIRC, the Queen is the nominal head of state of Grenada ("Queen of Grenada")
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She's the head of state of any country in the Commonwealth (Except maybe Mozembique which was never a British colony) AFAIK.
There was a big stink about in in Australia a few years back.
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They actually voted to keep 'er in a referendum though, didn't they?
Tobehonest I think the Royal Family are a bunch of scounging inbred nitwits, anyways.
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Personal failings are not a disgrace to a public office. We don't elect officials because they're faithful to their spouses; we elect them because we trust them to do the job the way we want them to do it. I would not want Arnold to be president for the simple reason that he's right-wing and I'm not.
thirdly reagan wasn't horrible. he cut taxes and made movements in american politics that would never have come otherwise. IE welfare reform. he also stood up to communism. Such actions like help the afganis kick out the russians and the action in grenada.
Welfare reform? Yeah, if you mean making it so poor people can't get welfare, sure.
Stood up to communism? Eh, okay. That's not a major accomplishment in a country that's populated by people who equate communism with the Second Coming. And he stood up to communism by spending too much on the military after he had cut the taxes that would have funded it, as well as investing in bogus military techonology, i.e. Star Wars.
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I don't have a problem with the Queen actually. She does her job reasonably well. Someone has to to hold receptions etc for visiting heads of state and launch new ships.
If we got rid of her we'd only remove an unelected monarch who is good for tourism with unelected ambassadors and celebrities who aren't
Charles should shut his mouth when talking about anything science related though. He really doesn't have a f**king clue.
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Originally posted by redmenace
international law ceases to be internation law when in fact people don't have the balls to enforce it. IE the UN.
What "thousands of innocents" were killed by the presidents order?
thirdly reagan wasn't horrible. he cut taxes and made movements in american politics that would never have come otherwise. IE welfare reform. he also stood up to communism. Such actions like help the afganis kick out the russians and the action in grenada.
yeah, kind of like the UN failed to condemn any number of US or Israeli actions. **** off, you just want the UN to rubber stamp whatever murder America has planned this time.
The thosands of innocents is reffering to the 15,000+ killd in Iraq, as well as the maybe 5000 killed in Afghanistan. Though if you want to look at economic policies and the "war on drugs", those numbers skyrocket.
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Originally posted by karajorma
I don't have a problem with the Queen actually. She does her job reasonably well. Someone has to to hold receptions etc for visiting heads of state and launch new ships.
If we got rid of her we'd only remove an unelected monarch who is good for tourism with unelected ambassadors and celebrities who aren't
Charles should shut his mouth when talking about anything science related though. He really doesn't have a f**king clue.
Well, i don't mind the Queen so much as the hangers on.
Of course, there is a Glaswiegan tendency to be 'rough' working class and dislike the super rich / posh. Even for someone like me, who comes from what is pretty much middle class household in the 'burbs.
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Enforcement doesn't always mean 'kill everyone who does it', sometimes it means 'stop the number of killings till we can find out what's causing it'.
The UN are a peacekeeping force. Have you ever wondered why a Police officers badge is in the shape of a shield? Because that is what they do, they act as a shield between the guilty and the innocent. That doesn't mean they go in guns blazing when they are not sure which is which.
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Originally posted by aldo_14
They actually voted to keep 'er in a referendum though, didn't they?
Not exactly. We voted not to maintain the queen, but to not make use of the ridiculous republic system John Howard (Who is a die hard monarchist) made us vote for. Essentially, it came down to
"Keep things as they are"
or
"Change to a republic where the general public has no say in who becomes our head of state, and the leader of the country is elected by parliament, from parliament."
Had we been given a reasonable republican model, things would have been very different. The majority of people at the time were republicans, but the referendum was very neatly destroyed before it began.
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Sounds about right for that lot :(
I suppose the Queen is handy as something to roll out on ceremonial occasions, very traditional and 'Historic' and all that. But why does one family need over 450 bedrooms in total?
Especially when I see families struggling to maintain a one bedroom flat :(
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Because they need somewhere to put 450 beds?
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[q]Of course, there is a Glaswiegan tendency to be 'rough' working class and dislike the super rich / posh. Even for someone like me, who comes from what is pretty much middle class household in the 'burbs.[/q]
Ignore this man he's not representing us all. I object to the monarchy in theory due to it's very nature, but I support it in practise as a unifying force for Britain and her Commonwealth.
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"Her" Commonwealth?
anyway, you just said you didn't like the monarchy due to its nature, which is pretty much what I just said.
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Plus I like the fact that although she never uses it the Queen does act as a balance against the power of parliment. Remember that the Queen can refuse to enact a law. The law would have to be pretty drastic for the Queen to get involved in politics but one day it may prove useful.
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Originally posted by karajorma
Plus I like the fact that although she never uses it the Queen does act as a balance against the power of parliment. Remember that the Queen can refuse to enact a law. The law would have to be pretty drastic for the Queen to get involved in politics but one day it may prove useful.
what about her doss son, though?
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Like I said I'm not as fond of Charles. He champions organic food and that's enough to make me wish he'd choke to death on his own stupidity.
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Arnie also said "we will terminate the terrorists."
Its funny because he uses all his movie catch phrases and turns them into political sound bytes and the funny thing is that it works!
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Welfare reform? Yeah, if you mean making it so poor people can't get welfare, sure.
LOL apparently you don't know that you can still get welfare here in the US. Only difference is you can't sit there and STAY ON IT. There is a limited amount of time that you stay on welfare. And in that time you need to find stable employment ect ect ect. Also before the reform, there was major abuses. such as people that would collect welfare in multiple states. They would have multiple residences:such as a summer home and a winter home. If you have two homes why the hell do you need welfare. THAT IS CALLED FRAUD.
On the subject of grenada, this sums it up very well:
"Alarm bells sounded early in the Reagan administration when the Marxist regime of Grenada's prime minister Maurice Bishop nuzzled up to Moscow and Havana. The construction of a 10,000-foot runway that could accommodate the largest military transports, and the influx of hundreds of East-bloc advisers and military personnel, meant that Grenada was fast becoming another forward base for Soviet designs on the region. The Detroit News noted in its editorial that in his four years as ruler, Bishop 'had censored the press, canceled elections, stifled opposition parties, and jailed numerous political detainees.'
As for the map from a gas station I think it was. THERE WAS A LACK OF INTELLIGENCE. THEY WENT IN NOT TOTALLY PREPARED. However, the US did not act unilaterly.
To the Moderators:
This is the last post on the subject I will make and encourage this thread to be closed sorry for the way it went.
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Originally posted by karajorma
Like I said I'm not as fond of Charles. He champions organic food and that's enough to make me wish he'd choke to death on his own stupidity.
Exactly - and we can;t stop him taking the throne and gaining the power to veto bills.... imagine the devastation it'd wreak on the scientific community and the country as a whole - we'd all end up living in tents on allotments growing organic turnips.
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The organic food cause has merit. The amount of hormones and antibiotics that's going into food now is starting to get dangerous.
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"Girlie men". I love that :). People need thicker skin for crying out loud.
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Originally posted by Ford Prefect
The organic food cause has merit. The amount of hormones and antibiotics that's going into food now is starting to get dangerous.
That is absolutely not true. It's not significantly different now from 25 years ago other than in GM crops. And besides, the biggest element of "organic" farming is in vegetable growth (no hormones or antibiotics there anyway, you're thinking of cattle) and is, in fact, much less environmentally friendly and not significantly healthier for human consumption than conventional farming.
The practice of feeding beef scraps back to live cattle should stop, but that one is not dependant on organic or non-organic farming.
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I was thinking more of livestock, actually. I'll take your word for it regarding vegetables, but meat is getting really screwed up.
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Originally posted by Corsair
Arnold just went and did it again.
"...and to those critics who are so pessimistic about our economy, I say: don't be economic girlie men!"
[ singlehandedly displaying Republican homophobia and Republican denial .. what a guy ]
Discuss.
Who cares, really? :wtf:
He says "girlymen" and everyone goes nuts. Leave it alone for christs sakes. If you guys made a nit-picking topic about the Democratic convention, please, let me read over it.
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[q]"Girlie men". I love that . People need thicker skin for crying out loud.[/q]
Yep, it's Ahrnie! The master of "You lack discipline" (movie) and "I like all women... espcially blonde ones with large breasts" (RL).
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Arnold Swcharsnenager (http://media.ebaumsworld.com/arniepothead.avi)
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learn how to spell
Arnold Schwarzenaegger
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oh do shut up Kaz.
There's a good lad.
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Originally posted by Kazan
learn how to spell
Arnold Schwarzen[l]a[/l]egger [/B]
(http://nodewar.penguinbomb.com/aotd/KT/hypocrite.gif)
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Rawr... :lol:
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and another thing...
[ singlehandedly displaying Republican homophobia and Republican denial .. what a guy ]
are you even aware what "homophobia" means? it means you're afraid of homosexuals. there's a big difference between being afraid of homosexuals, and just hating them.
just because (you think that) someone insults homosexuals, doesn't mean they're "homophobic".
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Originally posted by Kazan
learn how to spell
Arnold Schwarzenaegger
lol :p
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Originally posted by Stealth
and another thing...
are you even aware what "homophobia" means? it means you're afraid of homosexuals. there's a big difference between being afraid of homosexuals, and just hating them.
just because (you think that) someone insults homosexuals, doesn't mean they're "homophobic".
http://www.cogsci.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/webwn?stage=1&word=homophobia
1. homophobia -- (prejudice against (fear or dislike of) homosexual people and homosexuality)
Seriously, though.. 'girlie men'. Who gives ****, really? If someone called me that in a pub or at 5-a-sides i'd just laugh at them.
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Originally posted by redmenace
On the subject of grenada, this sums it up very well:
"Alarm bells sounded early in the Reagan administration when the Marxist regime of Grenada's prime minister Maurice Bishop nuzzled up to Moscow and Havana. The construction of a 10,000-foot runway that could accommodate the largest military transports, and the influx of hundreds of East-bloc advisers and military personnel, meant that Grenada was fast becoming another forward base for Soviet designs on the region. The Detroit News noted in its editorial that in his four years as ruler, Bishop 'had censored the press, canceled elections, stifled opposition parties, and jailed numerous political detainees.'
Oh come on. The runway was being built to increase tourism. This wasn't about the miltary at all. How do you explain the fact that after the Americans took over the airport with the 10,000ft runway was still built?
Besides how do you explain all the **** that went on about the students?
Originally posted by redmenace
As for the map from a gas station I think it was. THERE WAS A LACK OF INTELLIGENCE. THEY WENT IN NOT TOTALLY PREPARED. However, the US did not act unilaterly.
The lack of intelligence was in Ronald Regan's head. He completely over-reacted to a non-threat. Even Mrs Thatcher, his staunchest ally in the world thought the invasion stupid. Even if you feel the invasion was justified it was executed with almost breathtaking incompetence. The Joint chiefs pleaded with Regan for more time to plan but he insisted on going ahead with the attack on his own timetable.
When I see stupidity like that in the execution it's not hard to believe that there was also stupidity in the causes.
Originally posted by redmenace
To the Moderators:
This is the last post on the subject I will make and encourage this thread to be closed sorry for the way it went.
That's a rather cowardly way to ensure you get the last word isn't it? :rolleyes:
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Bah. Damn Double post. I'll split off the organic farming stuff into this one.
Originally posted by Ford Prefect
I was thinking more of livestock, actually. I'll take your word for it regarding vegetables, but meat is getting really screwed up.
Except that the organic food movement are screwing up vegetables to a similar degree. One of the pesticides they used has recently been banned after it was found to cause cancer in humans (Don't tell me Organic farming doesn't involve the use of pesticides. It will show that you don't understand what a big lie the entire thing is).
Not only that but you're more likely to get food poisoning from eating organic vegetables than conventionally farmed ones. (Admittedly that's your own fault for not washing them properly but there you go.)
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Originally posted by aldo_14
http://www.cogsci.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/webwn?stage=1&word=homophobia
1. homophobia -- (prejudice against (fear or dislike of) homosexual people and homosexuality)
Seriously, though.. 'girlie men'. Who gives ****, really? If someone called me that in a pub or at 5-a-sides i'd just laugh at them.
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you've got to be kidding me. thanks for pointing that out though. that's the first time i've seen *anything*phobia being as much a hate as it is a fear. because generally, by definition, a phobia is an intense fear or something. arachnaphobia, etc.
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damn austrians not always following phonetic spelling in german! DAMN YOU TO HELL!
:D
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Well, if you look at what 'phobia' means itself, it actually encompasses hate in this sense. Bearing in mind that 'phobia' is by definition irrational, the hatred in homophobia actually stems from the (irrational) fear that in some way homosexual activity is destroying the fabric of society.
For ref;
Definitions of 'homophobia' ; http://www.google.com/search?q=define%3A+homophobia&sourceid=firefox&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
Definitions of 'phobia'; http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&c2coff=1&q=define%3A+phobia&btnG=Search
Definitions of 'fear'; http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&c2coff=1&q=define%3A+fear&btnG=Search
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'homophobia' does include hatred
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oh come off it guys.
he said girly men ffs, not "them damn ****ing queers" or something along those lines. Does that mean that every time I call someone or something "gay" I am commiting a hate crime? Or that I'm a homophobe? What about "you throw like a girl", do we have to stop using that one too?
Political correctness, oh how I do loathe thee.
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Well I do refrain from calling people "gay" because I think it helps attach a negative connotation to the term.
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funny thing, really. if you look up 'gay' you get a definition like 'happy'.
It's such a nice little word: gay.
Then there's the other one: 'lesbian'. which is some kind of obscure poisonous Amazonian tree frog or something.
The whole "girlymen" thing is just another issue for people to cry about.
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Actually "lesbian" as a term goes back to ancient Greek mythology; one of the great quests (can't remember which one) finds the hero and his crew stranded on the island of Lesbos, where all of the women have killed the men so that they can, well, you know. The island of Lesbos actually exists (it's quite nice actually, though no relation to the name similarity) but the term is classical in origin and has held the connotations of a female homosexual the whole time.
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there is also a dialect of latin name lesbos
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Originally posted by aldo_14
Well, if you look at what 'phobia' means itself, it actually encompasses hate in this sense. Bearing in mind that 'phobia' is by definition irrational, the hatred in homophobia actually stems from the (irrational) fear that in some way homosexual activity is destroying the fabric of society.
For ref;
Definitions of 'homophobia' ; http://www.google.com/search?q=define%3A+homophobia&sourceid=firefox&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
Definitions of 'phobia'; http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&c2coff=1&q=define%3A+phobia&btnG=Search
Definitions of 'fear'; http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&c2coff=1&q=define%3A+fear&btnG=Search
right, but if you look at any phobia (except homophobia apparently), the definition concentrates on the FEAR rather than the HATRED of whatever it's talking about. I mean of course, with arachnaphobia for example, you're so afraid of spiders, you probably hate them, so hatred is part of it, but it's more of a hatred BECAUSE you're afraid of them, you know what i'm saying?
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So you're saying there is a rational reason for people hating gays?
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Originally posted by Kazan
learn how to spell
Arnold Schwarzenaegger
Where you serious!?
:lol: :wtf:
I was making fun of his name, It didn't cross my mind twice that I would come close to spelling it right :rolleyes:
You just have to have something to ***** at don't you?
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Originally posted by karajorma
So you're saying there is a rational reason for people hating gays?
no i'm saying that when someone thinks of a phobia, they don't think of hating something, they think of extreme fear, perhaps hate through fear.
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Originally posted by karajorma
Like I said I'm not as fond of Charles. He champions organic food and that's enough to make me wish he'd choke to death on his own stupidity.
As opposed to GM foods, for which there is no market whatsoever? Organic stuff is what people tend to buy these days, it's just that he takes it too far. But I still think he drew all the short straws when it came to the gene pool. ^_^
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Originally posted by Flipside
...I suppose the Queen is handy as something to roll out on ceremonial occasions, very traditional and 'Historic' and all that. But why does one family need over 450 bedrooms in total?
Especially when I see families struggling to maintain a one bedroom flat :(
You forget the Queen and everything surrounding the monarchy generates an order of magnitude more in tourism revenue than the tiny amount we pay for their upkeep. If you want to talk about saving money then why not start with the obscene amount the Government spends on campaigns for political correctness, or what the Met spends on combating any form of 'verbal abuse', or abolishing the CRE. None of these things generates any social or monetary benefit.
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Originally posted by SadisticSid
As opposed to GM foods, for which there is no market whatsoever? Organic stuff is what people tend to buy these days, it's just that he takes it too far. But I still think he drew all the short straws when it came to the gene pool. ^_^
There's no market for GM cause the scaremongers have completely succeeded in demonising it. Over in the US they've been eating it for years and no one is growing horns or turning green yet.
Besides I'm not pushing GM food. I'm saying stick to the current modern agriculture rather than going for the golden age of farming crap.
Organic food isn't any better for you. It doesn't taste any better. It's more likely to give you cancer. It's actually worse for the enviroment and on top of all that they expect you to pay more to eat it.
Basically it's a big con that half of the country have fallen for.