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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Stealth on September 01, 2004, 09:13:10 pm
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is anyone listening to this guy?
"nothing angers this marine more than people calling American troops occupiers, and not liberators"
this guy's harsh!
"Kerry ... sounds like an auctioneer selling off american security"
then he starts talking about b1 and b2 bombers and f14 tomcats, the f14-d's, the apaches, the f15 eagles, that Kerry opposes... this is the man who wants to be the commander in chief of our forces. american forces armed with what, spit balls?" **crowd goes wild**
hahahahaha. what a joke
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At least he's seen some of them in combat
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This guy I could have for president. Isnt it odd how he critisizes Kerry, and yet he is a Democrat? I agree with him.
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More than 900 protesters have been arrested outside... they're probably on thier way to Guantanamo Bay right now for being unpatriotic.
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Originally posted by Stealth
is anyone listening to this guy?
I try not to.
Despite the fact that, much to my dismay, Kerry is one million percent pro-military, you still have people criticizing him for it. He has made it clear that he is a military man, and would actually increase the military.
I shudder to think that would happen if someone with a real anti-military agenda was running, like me. "National security" does not involve invading foreign nations you jingoist clowns!!
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Originally posted by vyper
More than 900 protesters have been arrested outside... they're probably on thier way to Guantanamo Bay right now for being unpatriotic.
good, I'm glad. That means they were doing their jobs, unlike the wussies at the DNC.
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At the DNC they basically locked them up in a small cage and barely let them do anything.
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Means they are stupid enough to cause enough havoc to be arrested...
Originally posted by Rictor
good, I'm glad. That means they were doing their jobs, unlike the wussies at the DNC.
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At least we are letting them protest in the streets, and as I said before, the Democrats basically locked up all the protestors who were against them.
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no, actually most people avoided the cage. pretty much the only people in the cage were palestinian activists who though that a picture of them through barbed wire would be very appropriate.
still, the DNC kept up the unity facade pertty well, which means that most protesters didn't have the guts to really make a fuss. I mean, many of them were actually voting for Kerry. But with Bush and the RNC, they can really let loose because they know who the enemy is.
edit: MatthewPapa, I meant the protestors were doing their jobs by being arrested, no the cops.
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the protestors haev been much amusement over the last few days
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Originally posted by .::Tin Can::.
At least we are letting them protest in the streets, and as I said before, the Democrats basically locked up all the protestors who were against them.
No they didn't. They gave them a 'designated protesting lot'. Big difference.
And the GOP convention is ****ing hilarious. Not that the DNC wasn't, but Zell Miller had the most bull**** speech I've heard in a long time. Everything from making up **** and taking things out of context with Kerry, to making fun of France and the UN to get a cheerful rise from the crowd.
Cheny is like Hitler, minus the enthusiasm, and fancy rhetoric. And he's ****ing boring. His retarded audience is more interesting than he is.
Cheny: "A senator can be wrong for 20 years, and not make a difference. But a president, a president always casts the deciding vote."
Indeed....
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someone have the transcripts, I'm not watching it on TV?
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Rictor, I need to comment on your "Kerry is obvious military man" since its odd that he cut back on just about everything the military needs to fight as opposed to actually giving it to them. Everyone has known this for so long that its old knews, so, I dont know why you stand by the same principle.
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Funny, that you're spouting the same bull**** Cheny was just 15 minutes ago. :lol:
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Because it was a reminder to what I had heard last week.
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It was on the TV in the pizza place I was in earlier today. Whole bunch of idiotic bull**** I thought.
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What did Kerry cut back on? I was under the impression most everyone, including Cheney, was voting for cutting back projects.
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I recall USNEWS kerry was going to make the army bigger...
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Basically everything in the way of progress, Kerry has voted for and against every time.... :doubt:
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he is against withdrawing troops from western Europe, he wants to increase the military by 40,000 people and specifically special forces. These will most likely be going to Iraq, thoug I heard otherwise, he is as always flip-flopping so its hard to know where he stands.
he has not made a peep about the military's overly large budget (400 billions annually), nor about the fact that a huge percentage of that (around 40% from what I know) is secret.
I'm trying to find that wesbite where you can view people's voting records, does someone have the link?
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here we go
http://www.vote-smart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=S0421103
check Defense, its pretty much even as far as funding goes.
I am also reffering to his recent militaristic bravado at the DNC and general disposition which holds than the military should not be shrunk.
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It's the rabid nationalism more than anything else that really makes me want to throw up. All these people who think their flag is the morning and evening star. It's just a frustrating reminder of what never seems to change.
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wow-hey-look, the nominated Bush!
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Well duh, Sept 11th. Otherwise the terrorists win, Sept 11th.
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Originally posted by Ford Prefect
It's the rabid nationalism more than anything else that really makes me want to throw up. All these people who think their flag is the morning and evening star. It's just a frustrating reminder of what never seems to change.
I agree with you except on your last point: Things have been changing, but for the worse. It was not always like this. Of course there were those who were these flag waving idiots, but at least people who don't worship the flag were not called "terrorists", "traitors", or flat out "unpatriotic".
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America has had previous bouts with this syndrome at various points in history. But even disregarding that, this reflects the unavoidable course that all global powers eventually take: the delusions of immortality and moral supremacy. Most people do not want to think that they are just another link in the chain of history.
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Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious
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I hate patriotism, I can't ****ing stand it, it makes me sick and it's around the world last time I checked. In fact I know how we could stop patriotism I think, instead of putting stars and stripes on our flags, we should put pictures of our parents ****ing, gather people around that flag and see your dad hunched over your moms big 4x4 butt, see if any boon rally mentality can circle around that nice little ****ing image
Bill Hicks had the right idea.
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One question: What the hell is wrong with patriotism? Is there something inherently bad about showing one's love of one's country and what it stands for? Please, enlighten me...
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I think people fail to differentiate between patriotism and nationalism. Patriotism the the sort of benign love of your country and countrymen. Mostly everyone has that. Thats cheering for you team at the Olympics, even though they lost 5 ****ing games out of 6...bastards. Ah, I still love 'em.
Nationalism is not benign however, it is the belief that your country and those who inhabit it are inately superior to all others peoples and nations. Its is the belief that you must be supportive of the government no mater what, that the President can do no wrong. Its the the failiure to accept reason and fact, because it does not fit in with your country's official party line.
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I make no distinction. A country is created for a practical purpose: to organize the people and provide for our needs. I do not believe that this function demands our love or our thanks, only that we contribute what we can as long as we live here. Love of a country is meaningless because a country does not stand for anything; it is a dynamic entity whose supposedly steadfast principles can be made to support just about anything by skilled leaders. It's the same as trying to attach spiritual beliefs to an institution. Why should I love this country more than any other simply because I live here? I'm certainly glad that I don't live in an oppressive society, but I see nothing to love. The flag? That's idol worship. Principles? They always shift. The people? All people are fundamentally the same.
As far as I can see, the only thing that love of country accomplishes is to make you, as Ambrose Bierce put it, "The dupe of statesmen and the tool of conquerors." I have my own, ever-evolving beliefs, and while I would never expect a country to always coincide with them, I do not believe that I owe it my love, especially since it was created for the sole purpose of sustaining us.
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Patriotism tends to blind people to the faults of their own country. It's used to gag dissenters, to factionalise one group of people against another.
The problem of patriotism is not what is it represents, but what it can be used to do.
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Originally posted by Ford Prefect
I make no distinction. A country is created for a practical purpose: to organize the people and provide for our needs. I do not believe that this function demands our love or our thanks, only that we contribute what we can as long as we live here. Love of a country is meaningless because a country does not stand for anything; it is a dynamic entity whose supposedly steadfast principles can be made to support just about anything by skilled leaders. It's the same as trying to attach spiritual beliefs to an institution. Why should I love this country more than any other simply because I live here? I'm certainly glad that I don't live in an oppressive society, but I see nothing to love. The flag? That's idol worship. Principles? They always shift. The people? All people are fundamentally the same.
As far as I can see, the only thing that love of country accomplishes is to make you, as Ambrose Bierce put it, "The dupe of statesmen and the tool of conquerors." I have my own, ever-evolving beliefs, and while I would never expect a country to always coincide with them, I do not believe that I owe it my love, especially since it was created for the sole purpose of sustaining us.
Are you in my brain? Seriously, that was incredibly well written and it puts the finger on the exact point I was trying to make.
I'm not patriotic to my country, I love where I live for how it makes me feel, not because I was ****ing born here and I am just supposed to love it.
I find patriotism stupid more when it is blind, however patriotism in and of itself is a blindness and the first step on a slippery slope in my eyes. I feel no love for my country simply because everyone else does, that's like somebody telling me that I should love whatever is currently doing the rounds on MTV because they all love it.
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How many people have actually watched the DNC Convention? And watched it with the same type of critical view...
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Because the Democrats aren't the ones currently ****ing it up in power perhaps?
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umm that is a stupid reason
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Trusting that Dixiecrat Zell Miller and thinkin he's actually a democrat even is just like listening to the Rupert Murdoch Propaganda Network
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SOooooooooo... anyone just watch Bush speak? I especially loved it when he said "to everything there is a season." A Neoconservative seriously quoting a hippy song-- I thought I'd seen everything.
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DID ANYBODY WATCH THAT?
I couldn't stand that speech. That's besides the point.
WHAT THE HELL was that when Cheney got rushed out of the building by the Secret Service?!?
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He did? I didn't see that. I saw two protestors get escorted out, but not Cheney.
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Cheney shook hands with Bush after the speech.
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you know Bush and cheny were both withen feet of each other and two protesters still managed to get close enough to them that if they would have been someone with a bomb up there ass they could have killed the both of them.
hmmm.
nationalism- the socal alignment of a person based on there nation of resedence.
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my family and I were watching, and lauging our asses off. And whenever he didn't finish with "and nothing will stand in our way", we're like "aww, he missed it".
Anyone else thinking that the arena can hold at most maybe 70-80 thousand people, while outside there are nearly half a million...just rush them!!
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Originally posted by Corsair
DID ANYBODY WATCH THAT?
I couldn't stand that speech. That's besides the point.
WHAT THE HELL was that when Cheney got rushed out of the building by the Secret Service?!?
Dude wanted a hamburger, whats the big deal?
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That dude shouldn't be eating hamburgers. Too many of those and we could end up with my state governor as vice president, who is the biggest slimeball ever to leave the gates of Hell.
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But where is .:Tin Can:. with his well-though and adequately prooved and tested claims? [ZOMG KERRY HATES TEH MILITARY]
BTW, if someone of you is not going to vote, can I adopt him and make him vote for Kerry?
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Originally posted by Corsair
WHAT THE HELL was that when Cheney got rushed out of the building by the Secret Service?!?
He was taken aside to have the policy on gay rights explained to him again.
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Originally posted by karajorma
He was taken aside to have the policy on gay rights explained to him again.
Ah. That makes a lot of sense.