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ouch thats a hit below the belt for every trekkie around the globe
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I think it's a good idea - the technology has advanced to much lately and they're running out of places to go (hence taking a step backward with Enterprise). Perhaps some form of "back to basics" would really help the franchise.. You could in theory make all kinds of stories based around a ship on a mission of exploration to god knows what kind of planets.
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Well I think that they should take few years break
and come back with new ideas
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Either come back with new ideas, or let it rest with the dignity it deserves.
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Didn't they kind of do that already with "First Contact"?
I'd either like to see a movie on the Eugenics wars, or if they're feeling slightly more brave, finally put Q in one of the films.
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Originally posted by ionia23
finally put Q in one of the films.
That could make a really good film, personally speaking, some of my classic Trek favourites have been when they've had some comedy relief (be it from Kirks/Spocks banter... Q taking the piss out of the human race... whatever).
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My take is that the first thing they should do is go further into the future instead of constantly doing these stories in the past.
Why? I love the technological aspect to things but what going into the future does is make that constant level of technological advancement sort of "obsolete". Yeah Star Fleet can do pretty much watever it wants with a ship...make it do this, make it do that, everything is so fantastically engineered that engineering is not really a prime story.
The prime story should be about the people, how they cope with problems, how they solve problems...and better yet...how they cope when they don't solve the problem. The questions should be what they do with their technology...not about what it is but what it can do and what it can do wrong.
Going into the past restricts you because all of the sudden it becomes somewhat difficult to make todays technology look "old". The communicators on Enterprise are believable but hardly futuristic...my friends cellphones do more than their communicators do. So throw it into the far future if need be, figure out reasons for good stories, and make the technology subservient to that...and not the other way around.
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Only problem with going to far into the future is that you start to run out of things that can't be done. I'm not saying that humans are suddenly godlike - but the ships can do one heck of a lot already (Voyager for instance - can come up with all kinds of nifty things that enable it to face down foes that should be able to wipe the floor with it).
Of course if you destroy the ship - you destroy the story. But time travel, transwarp and god knows what else are all easily possible at the drop of a hat in current Trek storylines. The illusion of struggle - as a result - is somewhat lacking.
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I always wanted to see a movie one the same theme as "Unification", to see that side stroy fleshed out, but they killed that pretty well when they trivialized the romulans in Nemesis. I prefer to take that sad little movie as just another sci fi action flick (like the last starfighter, lol) and ignore all pretenses to startrekdom.
Star trek definately needs a hiatus if Nemesis is the best they can do.
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I've been saying that for like 2 years now. Trek needs a break. It's not like people will just forget it. Star trek has the status of Cultural landmark :p
Even though I like the way Coto is handling ST: ENT, I would've preffered if they hadn't gone along with the series. A nice 5-7 year break (in which Brennan & Braga would most likely die in a horrible horrible way... courtosy of me) and start up in a refreshed and new manner.
It's the same way with Star Wars. The original Trilogy was good but they wrecked the whole thing into oblivion with all this franchise milking.
In short; They need to grow some testicles and fire Brainless & Brainless. Then go on a hiatus and fire it up in half a decade or so with a grandiose new series written by GOOD writers (like me :D:p).
What I would like to see, is another TNG movie in that 5 year hiatus. But written by someone else than ***** & Butch. Cuz post DomWar is a time where there are MANY storylines to be explored.
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The sad thing with Trek is that as opposed to respecting the current liscense and using the existing materials and expanding on them people love doing the 'alien of the week' and pulling things out of their butts.
It's one thing to make a new species or two, add backstory, etc. it's another when every episode is a new race when you're in 'explored' space.
As an example, why did they need a new green time travel cold war shapeshifter race and the Xindi in Enterprise when you could just have easily had a cold war with the "Salt Vampires" in TOS?
A few of them have survived the fall of their civilization and plot to return to greatness. The audience knows exactly what they are, but the irony is that the characters never see them. (A similar plot device could be done with the Romulans having Vulcan agents, which it sounds like Coto is going to do)
An enemy like those guys in TOS already exist, and can be used without changing the canon if the writers are smart. Then you have an already existing telepathic, 'shape shifting' enemy that loves to suck the life out of things. Like the Wraith in SG: Atlantis but even more nasty. You could then have the guys manipulating the Humans, Andorians, Vulcans, and Tellerites trying to start an interstellar war (so they can rebuild their empire in the ruins of the future feddie founders with them as slaves) and it backfires leading to the Federation and the Earth-Romulan war. (Romulans being promised territory if they aid against the meddling humans)
Done *properly* a plot like that could last years and set the stage for TOS while having an entertaining show.
*sigh* They need better writers and good direction and an overall story over several seasons with no filler. Trek always seems to constantly change direction and then try to make it look like it was intended to be that way.
If the rumor about the JMS Trek series is true, then there might be hope. However, I wasn't really impressed by Legend of the Rangers. Adding in The Hand, etc. While it would have made a decent plot for another universe, B5 has too much future history to pull that off as they weren't mentioned or hinted at before. It also reminded me strongly of the Lensman series. Instead of Civilization and Boskone you had the ISA and Hand.
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^ Legend of The Rangers was a more Adventure-type thing attempt by JMS, and TBH it's quite watchable, but nothing fetchy. Crusade was his last "Saga" attempt, which got cut short by TNT. Now that show had a lot of promise, and if you go back and study it (starting from Call to Arms), and read the three released scripts, you'll see it was going places. Besides, Bester was going to be in it, and the whole deal with the Drakh :)
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[q] they trivialized the romulans in Nemesis.[/q]
(some of this may contain spoilers for those of you that haven't watched Nemesis)
Indeed, they destroyed a very good and well developed plot device by completely thought half of the comments alone in Nemesis. (1) The Romulan senate and Tal Shiar is slightly less gullible than they appear to be (altho the Tal Shiar don't appear per se, surely they would have known what was going on? And ways to deal with it?).
(2) The female Romulan claims that the destruction of earth would be a stain on thier honour and the blood would be on the hands of thier children for generations. Since when did the romulan culture breed anything except a desire to destroy any enemy of the Star Empire? To elimenate the hated Federation?
If she had issues about going to war when peace was so close - that would've worked since the very first episode they appeared in has a Romulan commander lamenting "must it always be so" when a young officer points out that the sign for war is Romulan strengh in comparison to an enemy. However she would have been acting out of an argument that it was in the best interests of the Empire not to do it - but a crisis of concience? I think not.
Moreso, the Romulan warships that appear are pretty pathetic considering they knew exactly what the Scimitar was armed with. The Enterprise battle also lacked imagination, and there was no real feeling behind the actions of most of the actors.
Data's "goodbye" was impressive as a throwback to TNG days but it lacked substance since you never actually believed the Enterprise could be blow to hell if he didn't stop the reaction.
They've turned Picard into a Kirk character - the latter plots revolve around him constantly whereas in TNG, Generations (First Contact because it really established "canon" history of the warp launch) and even Insurrection, you could follow a plot that dealt with several key characters and thier lives. (Altho, Crusher kinda vanished after the end of TNG in terms of plot importance).
Before anyone complains to me I'm forgetting the format of older Trek, I'm not - think of the Khan-Genesis-Voyage Home (er..) arc? You followed Kirk, the crew and even the enemies through good plots without being focused on one man. Kirk, McCoy, Spock all have equal plot value. Hell, even Scotty got to make a play for screen importance during the clear choice he made about excelsior ("up yer shaft!").
[q]Brennan & Brag[/q]
B&B did some good work, but they should've walked away before Ent started. From what little I've seen (BBC lost the right to Trek now, so its on Channel 4 who've gone on a season break the length of a Q's lifetime) Ent suffers from the opposite fate to what TNG did - this time there's not enough been done to establish the characters, and the stories are being crammed in beside a very poor attempt to giving said characters more depth. No one really cares if Archer gets killed by the Suliban et al because he could be replaced by a far more charismatic and mature captain yet still be the rebellious NX-01 captain he has to be.
[q]Cuz post DomWar is a time where there are MANY storylines to be explored.[/q]
Very true, but that better not include Captain Riker and his mission to go around sucking everyone's cock to keep the Federation in one piece because we both know it'd end up being too weak for his style of character. Beyond which Jonathan Frakes really can't pull off the young confident yet sometimes still learning Riker anymore.
What would be nice would be a film showing what happened to the Enterprise crew during the Dominion war - they were.... 14th fleet? Dunno, but it'd be good to see, perhaps as a TV Movie that jumped a year per hour or so. It'd work because real trek fans could follow the characters as if Nemesis never happend (lets be honest, in our hearts it never reallly did... ;)) and it could explain a lot of the character's slight changes by Insurrection. :)
You could also tie it in with an upcoming DS9 movie, with guest appearances of that cast and references toward the end as to what will happen in that regard.
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And something else - ever thought they could explore the idea of the Andromedans again? Those folk from the Andromeda galaxy that knocked the Enterprise in TOS?
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They ought to bring Lore back if they want something new..hell, was he a villian.
(and yes, it is actually possible to bring him back without the normal issues that revolve around death - Voyager sowed the seeds of this possibility in one of their episodes)
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Mind spelling that out for us, Singh? I've seen most of Voyager but don't remember that part.
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Who knows, they've done a lot of that on Voyager. The one that comes immediately to mind is the episode (early, 1st or 2nd season) where voyager is copied. They realize that they can't stabilize the warp core for two ships to use, and so one voyager blows itself up to stop that organ-harvesting race from taking both copies. In it, Kim and a baby die on the ship that doesn't get killed, and when the ship that does die decides to self-destruct Kim and the baby are sent over to the other ship to take the place of those who died.
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There are four very easy and viable ways in which a new Trek show could kick the ass of every previous series:
[list=1]- Section 31 - Running alongside the DS9 timeline and showing the evil side of the Federation and their part in the Dominion War.
- Fighter Squadrons - We know the Federation uses them. And it's an area of the Trek universe that's never been shown. It'd be cool because it could tie in with the Dominion War and there'd be a massive main-character mortality rate.
- The Second Romulan War - According the vague canonical hinting, after the Dominion War the Klingons invade the Romulan Star Empire and practically wipe the Romulans out.
- Death Of The Federation - This could tie in with the whole Enterprise temporal cold-war thing and ideas 2 and 3. Have some cataclysmic event (or Q) screwing the space-time continuum and plunging future-Earth into a new timeline where the Borg have assimilated half of the quadrant; the Klingons have been crushed (by the Borg and the Tholians) and been absorbed into the Federation; and the Romulan-Tholian Alliance is beating the **** out of the Federation with shield-piercing weapons and cloaked firing.
Personally, I think the last one would be the best. As it'd give some finality to the story of the Federation, feature kick-ass space battles, be packed full of reset-switch potential if it bombed and would do what no episode or movie has done since Balance Of Terror: Show that the Federation is not invincible.
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I thought by TNG's time the Tholians were Feddy members or on good terms with the Feddies.
Anyway, if you wanted to tie in your idea #4 with ENT, it could be the war against the Sphere Builders. Their tech could be insanely advanced and they wind up pushing the Federation back to the core member planets.
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Not the core member planets.
Remember, the Dominion were only a little more advanced than the Federation and they were able to take Betazed.
Time-travelling could be very cool if they did it right, instead of all this vague half-true, reset-button, predestination-paradox bull****.
Someone, somehow, should **** up everyone. Even if they keep it entirely non-canonical and DO use the reset button at the end.
Some all-powerful new foe should come along that the Federation doesn't find a way to defeat other than throwing more and more people and ships at them.
They should kill Trek. But do so in the movie-format, blaze of glory the Federation deserves. By pulling together EVERYTHING from TOS through to VOY. All those god-like races Kirk found and screwed; All those little-mentioned races; All those mercenaries and rogues who outwitted everyone and sailed off into the big black yonder; All those space-borne aliens who kicked everyone's ass; Hell, even the Q.
Something should come along to kill them all, picking them off 1-by-1 as they make their way towards Earth and Vulcan. And it should kill them all. And the Federation should be pissing in it's pansy red booties as the danger draws ever closer and they begin hearing more and more reports of the new Scimitar squadrons being tossed aside by the enemy, Romulan planets being turned to ash and entire Borg fleets engaging the unknown enemy. This would be played up to the extreme: Collosal armada's of Borg vessels moving against the unknown enemy. Season 3 should open with the Klingons coming under attack and their fleets being ground to dust; The smaller empires falling to advanced forces and screaming to the Federation for help. The latter half of season 3 would be the fall of the Klingon Empire and the quiet before the storm as the enemy consume the Empire's resources to replenish their fleet. Then, around season 4, the danger and all the God-like, arrogant, technologically superior, formerly-smug-bastard, alien refugees should reach the Federation's borders.
By the latter half of Season 6 the Federation core world (maybe just Earth, Vulcan and a defiant Kronos) should have some defence. Not a chance of winning, but something incredibly dangerous and short-lived to hold back the storm.
In the S7 finale the defence falls and there should be two things that happen: Firstly, we find out from the Rebel Borg that the uber-species is the reason for the Borg's existence. Someone like Q figured out that everyone was screwed and engineered the Borg as a last line of defence, working under a 'better assimilated than dead' mentality. Secondly, every last ship in the galaxy should make a BOE/Battle-of-the-Line stand around the Core Worlds.
Then, as the fleets lay in ruins and the cities of Earth being to disappear in collosal fireballs, some geek in a lab (Barclay for instance) should do something ala Kim's death in VOY[Timeless] that totally and utterly rapes the fabric of space and time, involving Picard. Then we cut back a few years to the Ent-E, coasting along the Romulan border, scanning empty space. Picard looks out at the blackness then turns, sits in his command chair and listens on his private comm to the sounds of the Earth Fleet falling to the Borg. "There's some kind of vortex forming!" we hear. Pan in to Picard's face, the screen flickers and the camera moves out to show him sitting in an alcove aboard some nameless Borg Cube.
Fade to black.
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The possibilities as I see them;
- Second Dominion War. With the Klingon weakened, Romulan senate dead and only the Feds to worry about while their fleet in the Gamma Quadrant hasn't even been touched by the war, the Founders could just say screw the treaty and go in full force. Or they could subvert a government and plunge the AQ into war while nobody suspects the Dominion anymore.
- Militarization of the Federation: With the Borg invasions, Dominion War, Romulans in disarray and the Klingon houses fighting eachother, the Federation steps down from it's high morals and begins a militarization program. Romulans and Co. don't like it, Klingons grin at the sight of their powerful ally but are to busy killing eachother for honor.
- Full Borg Invasion: Built on the previous notion, where the Borg notice the militarization and attack the Federation full force. Multiple cubes start destroying outlying colonies one by one instead of flying directly to Earth. Klingons and Romulans are also attacked. Borg can't be stopped and VOILĂ, the transphasic and expanding ablative armor were born. Feddies beat back the Borg to a degree but they hold on to the outer colonies but seize the incursions. Feds refuse to share the transphasics and armor with the other powers and tension mounts...
- Q-Trials: Q said to Picard "The Trial is never over...". This could be somehow related to the Borg invasion, but Q should be a little bit more elaborated.
And about 100 other storylines...
Anyway, I need coffee cuz I just woke up.
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The first one isn't a possibility.
After Sacrifice of Angels it's been implied (though I dunno if directly stated) that any Dominion ship(s) passing through the wormhole would suffer the same fate as the first lot.
And now that Sisko controls the wormhole and Odo controls the Great Link, I doubt the Dominion are much of a threat anymore.
It's the Breen and Rogue Jem Hadar that the Feds would have to worry about.
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Originally posted by an0n
....Pan in to Picard's face, the screen flickers and the camera moves out to show him sitting in an alcove aboard some nameless Borg Cube.
Fade to black.
I love anti-happy-endings...that's why I think this would rock. Actually your whole plot sounds more entertaining than the recent ST plots.
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Originally posted by an0n
The first one isn't a possibility.
After Sacrifice of Angels it's been implied (though I dunno if directly stated) that any Dominion ship(s) passing through the wormhole would suffer the same fate as the first lot.
And now that Sisko controls the wormhole and Odo controls the Great Link, I doubt the Dominion are much of a threat anymore.
It's the Breen and Rogue Jem Hadar that the Feds would have to worry about.
First of all, I hate it when people say 'Sisko controls the wormhole'. He doesn't. He was asked to join after he fullfilled his job for the Prophets. It's not like he instantly weilds supreme power over them.
Somehow I doubt they'll take action unless they directly threaten Bajor. Mainly because the Prophets dun really care about the linears. They helped them once after Sisko pleaded to them but in the end they probably just did it to protect Bajor, not the rest of the AQ.
In short; Unless they went all ballistic, ships can just pass through.
Besides, the Changelings could just infiltrate the governments again. :D
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Originally posted by Hunt Smacker
and read the three released scripts,
Where do you get these scripts from!!!!11111
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Originally posted by Tiara
First of all, I hate it when people say 'Sisko controls the wormhole'. He doesn't. He was asked to join after he fullfilled his job for the Prophets. It's not like he instantly weilds supreme power over them.
Somehow I doubt they'll take action unless they directly threaten Bajor. Mainly because the Prophets dun really care about the linears. They helped them once after Sisko pleaded to them but in the end they probably just did it to protect Bajor, not the rest of the AQ.
In short; Unless they went all ballistic, ships can just pass through.
Besides, the Changelings could just infiltrate the governments again. :D
They're all dead.
The Changelings and the Prophets.
There were only a handful of Founders in the Alpha Quadrant to start with and a few of them were killed off. Then the wormhole got shut down and they mentioned the Female Founder being trapped alone in the Alpha Quadrant.
And the wormhole did get shut down. C'z there's some one-liner reference in a later episode about the Prophets keeping the Dominion in the Gamma Quadrant. I think maybe Dukat says it before he does the Pah Wraith statue thing.
And finally: The only Prophets left are Sisko's mother and Sisko. So the whole 'non interference' thing only goes as far as Sisko is willing to let it.
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My ideal trek would be similar to a lot of what's been mentioned here. First off, definitely have it revolve around a feddy fighter squadron, but in a SAAB or Wraith Squadron style where they're also capable of ground actions
Start it off about half a season before Nemesis, run them through standard Star Trek stuff from a Fighter pilots perspective. Then, at about the half way point they receive word that Captain Rikers negotiations have failed with the hard line military government that rose to fill the power vacuum left by the Senate's assassination. Tensions along the romulan border, occasional skirmishes and intelligence plots and the like until the seaon one cliffhanger when a fleet of romulan ships invades the federation. Arm 'em with Trilithium weaponry, and then tie up the Klingons (feds closest real allies) with an invasion of their own home systems by the tholians (presumably orchestrated by the Romulans). So you're left with the Feds fighting the romulans essentially alone, getting the occasional star blown up, and diverting as much of their fleet as they can to assisting the Klingons (Including a certain fighter squadron for a season or so).
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The problem is that the Federation do learn too fast, they've more or less cut the existence of the 'Star Trek' universe to a space of about 600 years, from Enterprise to being stuck in a temporal cold war. From that point onwards it's pretty dull unless your into the idea of :shudders: a series based on the 'Time Secority Division' or the like, which would be lthe most pointless series ever, since every episode will end up with them going back in time and fixing whatever they screwed up.
A dominion re-invasion would be interesting, but I don't see it happening with the combined influence of Sisko and Odo.
In predicatble Star Trek fashion, I see the House of Morg rising to ascencion in the Klingon Empire. So I suspect things will calm down there, and the Romulan Sentate would have been replaced pretty quickly, after all, it's not as if this sort of thing is uncommon in Romulan society. Though closer relations with the Federation will prove interesting :D
Enterprise will be the run-up to the Klingon War, I think the Original Star Trek was set about 3 years after the end of the Klingon War, judging by how keen Kirk and a Klingon were to restart it in 'The Organian Treaty'. I'd be interested to hear what came of them too ;) So, the only period really left is the gap between TOC and TNG, theres a lot of possibility for a new exploration series there :)
Anyway, having revealed my geekiness...... :D
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The House of Mogh/Mohg is dead.
Kurn had his memory wiped to stop him killing himself from dishonour and Worf-N-Alexander are now a part of the House of Martok. And I doubt he'd want to go starting up his own house seen as Martok and his family are basically Klingon royalty now.
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Well, let's say I can see Worf ending up as Emperor to put it in more precise terms then :D
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Even in the 'everything went to ****' All Good Things... future Worf ended up as the Governor of some backwater planet.
Having killed Gowron, taken the 'throne' and given it to possibly the greatest warrior, general and leader in Klingon history - I doubt he'd end up scrubbing plasma ducts on a garbage scow.
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Originally posted by Goober5000
Mind spelling that out for us, Singh? I've seen most of Voyager but don't remember that part.
Well; we know that the Borg have 'backups' of each individual it assimilates.
We know that Lore was directly involved with the Borg.
Well; thats the basic of that theory. What is good here is the enourmous potential to make use of this to not only bring back Lore, but to shatter some Moral Absolutes and pose questions of Brotherhood in the potential interaction between lore, b4 and maybe even Data.
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an idea for a series:
Something like a fighter squadron would be a good thing....but lets make it interesting. A Federation fighter squadron would be fun, but in the end its still....well, its still the federation. But what of a mercenary squadron based onboard a civvy starship? If you want to make it interesting, don't just make it a Merc squad, but if it were involved somehow in the grand scheme of things (like, for instance, playing a small part helping out the klingons during the Dominion War) while still not playing too big a part, you get a pretty good feeling and background for it. Introduce proper character interaction and make sure not to restrict it just to fighters, and you've got potential for some good there.
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Originally posted by Singh
Well; we know that the Borg have 'backups' of each individual it assimilates.
:wtf:
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Originally posted by Goober5000
:wtf:
ok, wrong word there.
But do you remember 7of9 mentioning something about the Borg having the individual's memories upto the point of seperation stored inside the collective?
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They got their memories, not complete mental backups.
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*hit 'k' to access database*
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*Well done! you are now a captain*
*enter ship*
*fly*
*enemy sighted*
*negotiate*
*you do not have sufficient diplomatic skills. Hit 'k' to access database*
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Originally posted by Tiara
They got their memories, not complete mental backups.
Yes, to you and me this would pretty much be the limit that would be achievable. But what would a positronic brain, even one as demented as lore's be able to achieve in such a scenario? He was able to ring absolute control over the Borg in his command, with exception of the few that escaped; with the complexity of the Collective that is revealed in later episodes, it is pretty dumb to think that he wouldn't at least look or try such an option.
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Originally posted by karajorma
Where do you get these scripts from!!!!11111
Sort of.
http://www.isnanchordesk.com/b5/lostquotes.html
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I'd throw the Shivans in there and see what mess they could brew up. :drevil:
Federation Captain: Those are some big beams! :eek2:
Q: Your end has come! Embrace it!
Federation Captain: Where did they come from!
Q: I have my ways....... :devil: *vanishes*
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Meh,
Federation Vs. Shivans;
- Tricobalt torpedoes: **** up subspace and anything in it.
- Omega Particles: **** up subspace even more and anything in it as well.
Shivans would basically be stuck in Real Space with STL drives only. The Feds would have about a few million years to prepare before they reach even the outer colonies.
:D
Would be fun to see Shivans who were transported out into space fire their head mounted beams at Federation ships and mauling them with it :p But then again, the Romulans could just cloak and run into them for fun. Shivan PONG!
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Oh god, better not be getting into this stupid arsed argument again.
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Yeah, everyone knows the Shivans would kick the Federation's ass.
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No they wouldn't.
:D
Well, in the coolness factor, by a f*cking mile and a half though. :drevil:
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I have already explained who would kick everyone's ass, and there are no two ways about it! :D
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... I have no clue as to what you're talking about and I also have a feeling i couldn't care less :p
*runs*
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*Peeks in to thread*
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*Sees current topic of conversation*
Talk about degenerate threads...
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Haha, we're just having some geeky fun... Very geeky actually... TOO geeky!
*goes to drink some Absinth*
:D
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Tiara, at the risk of sounding like some of the less-refined members of the board, you've got boobs and[/a] a love life. How can you be such a die-hard Trekie?
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Originally posted by StratComm
Tiara, at the risk of sounding like some of the less-refined members of the board, you've got boobs and[/a] a love life. How can you be such a die-hard Trekie?
Cuz I'm perfect? :p
No, seriously, the thought that being a Trekkie is purely a male thing is just stupid. I know lots of girls who like ST. :)
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[color=66ff00]Yeah, I remember once seeing a news bit about an english barrister who went to work wearing a Trek uniform because she identified with the laws and practices of Trek.
Can't vouch for her love life though. :)
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Originally posted by an0n
*stuff*
Then, as the fleets lay in ruins and the cities of Earth being to disappear in collosal fireballs, some geek in a lab (Barclay for instance) should do something ala Kim's death in VOY[Timeless] that totally and utterly rapes the fabric of space and time, involving Picard. Then we cut back a few years to the Ent-E, coasting along the Romulan border, scanning empty space. Picard looks out at the blackness then turns, sits in his command chair and listens on his private comm to the sounds of the Earth Fleet falling to the Borg. "There's some kind of vortex forming!" we hear. Pan in to Picard's face, the screen flickers and the camera moves out to show him sitting in an alcove aboard some nameless Borg Cube.
Fade to black.
heh, there actually a DS9 book-trilogy where they literally wipe out the entire universe. **** around with timelines and make 'em merge at the end so that the end of the universe happened and was vital in saving the universe.
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Originally posted by Tiara
I know lots of girls who like ST. :)
any planning on visiting the US any time soon...?
:nervous: ;7
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Why would we want such a rotten chunk of land?
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:D
j/k
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Originally posted by Tiara
I know lots of girls who like ST. :)
No, you know lots of girl who're like "Yeah, I used to watch the Kirk Star Trek once in a while". Those people are not 'trekkies' they're 'part-time scifi fans'.
Like Jolene Blalock. Everyone was all "OMG! A hot girl who likes Star Trek!!!!111oneoneonetwo". Then they read the actual quote and were like "Uh-huh. She thinks Leonard Nimoy is hot......*shudder*".
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Originally posted by an0n
No, you know lots of girl who're like "Yeah, I used to watch the Kirk Star Trek once in a while". Those people are not 'trekkies' they're 'part-time scifi fans'.
No, i know girls that actually follow ST. :doubt:
Why in the name of the Unholy bleuberry ballsucker is that so hard to grasp... :confused:
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Because it's like saying "I know a guy just like Shrike, only he doesn't have bondage sex".
By definition, you must be a male geek to watch Star Trek.
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I disagree. I enjoy Star Trek but I really don't think I fit the geek profile.
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You do.
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Well it's subjective, I suppose, but not according to my understanding of the term. I have a healthy social life, I'm not obsessive about my interests, and I don't try to discuss them with people who I can see don't care. I just happen to like science fiction.
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And the internet.
And forums.
And computer games.
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Originally posted by Tiara
Would be fun to see Shivans who were transported out into space fire their head mounted beams at Federation ships and mauling them with it :p But then again, the Romulans could just cloak and run into them for fun. Shivan PONG!
Huh, just had that scene from "The Matrix" in mind, where the machines attack the Neb.
Well, nevermind. :D
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Bah, conclude what you will. I don't think I'm a geek.
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Says the guy named Ford Prefect...
:D
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Oh come now, Douglas Adams is universally popular.
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damn right he is. The division between those who have read Adams and those who haven't isn't so much "geek" and "normie" but rather "wise, enlightened, totally superior person" and "uneducated, illiterate heathen".