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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: aldo_14 on September 09, 2004, 04:35:23 am
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/3639922.stm
Seven people have been killed and about 100 injured in a massive blast outside the Australian embassy in Indonesia's capital, Jakarta
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Yeah, saw it on the news.
The cowadly f***'s strike again.
First time an attack has actually been directed towards Australia though.
Even though so far no Aussie's have been confirmed dead it does stick to the back of your throat...
Its almost a condolence to know that the mongrels that are part of this crap are all going to burn in the firey pits of hell for all eternity. :)
Still not enough for the families involved though...
- Grug
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Nice to see you're not swallowing all the media bull**** and social engineering, Grug.
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:(
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11 dead thus far, mostly indonesian civilians..
from what i can tell from the images, there would've been a fair amount of injuries due to flying glass, the building itself seems to be largely intact in terms of structure... that said, it could've been a helluva lot worse than it is now.. :blah:
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yeah, But it could of been a hell of a lot better if there wasn't this kind of crap happening in the world too... =|
an0n I've come to dislike all media even though Australia's media isn't as bullcrapish as some other countries *cough* Britain *cough*, but I always look on things with a suspicion these days. I'm going paranoid...
I feel pretty passionate about this kinda stuff so I get carried away.
But meh...
- Grug
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Ex-****ing-cuse me?
The BBC is the only 'big player' news organization in the world that'll openly call the government a bunch of ****s.
They're quite possibly the most non-biased news organization in the world.
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Originally posted by Grug
yeah, But it could of been a hell of a lot better if there wasn't this kind of crap happening in the world too... =|
an0n I've come to dislike the media even though Australia's media isn't as bullcrapish as some other countries *cough* Britain *cough*, but I always look on things with a suspicion these days. I'm going paranoid...
I feel pretty passionate about this kinda stuff so I get carried away.
But meh...
- Grug
indeed, it could've been better, but it happened, i'm saying that it could've been a helluva lot worse...
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I'm assuming that Grug was including the tabloid press which drag Britain down to a pretty low score.
But as An0n said the BBC is probably the most objective news source I've seen.
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Pfff.
Tabloids don't count. Every country has stupid tabloids.
And I'll note that the News Of The World is like 100+ years old and has some of the best investigative reporters in the world.
And papers like the Independant, Times and Observer beat the living **** outta all the 'upper class', partisan tripe you get in America.
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Yeah, the tabloid press does worry me that people are actually out there that give a crap about all that dribble.
Realistically, I havn't seen much BBC at all. It would be pretty stupid after all if we got Britains news :p.
So I can't really comment on that, unless I watch a few days worth of BBC news, which quite frankly I couldn't be bothered with :p.
But I still find it highly doubtfull that they are completely un-biased.
From the sounds of it they are, but against the government.
In Aus, generally speaking the attitude is 'Could of been worse' (as Turnsky was so kind to demonstrate :) ). So when clips come from overseas media of things being blown out of proportion, I kinda think 'geez get over it'.
But thats just your basic cultural differences. I was initially just making a joke, but there you go. I've explained a half truth. :)
- Grug
Edit: I think Britain takes the cake for having some of the most dribbling tabloid stuff ever. For the tabloids to survive, someone has to be buying and reading them... Don't they?
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Originally posted by Grug
But I still find it highly doubtfull that they are completely un-biased.
From the sounds of it they are, but against the government.
Nope. When they tories were in power they complained about the BBC being out to get them. Now Labour are in power they complain that the BBC is out to get them. The simple fact is that since both governments were involved in all kinds of dodgy deals it mearly seems like the BBC are out to get them when the BBC reports the truth.
Take a look at the BBC's coverage of the Hutton Report to see how unbiased they really are. Even though the report was a government whitewash and everyone in the country knew it the BBC were still objective even though the report blamed everything that happened in the Kelly affair on the BBC.
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Brickies.
Also, the reason the BBC hates the government is because of the Hutton Report. The argument basically went like this:
<[color=234342][/color]Gillian> Dude, Blair is talking outta his ass.
<[color=234342][/color]Iraq> Damn ****ing straight he is.
<[color=234342][/color]Blair> You lying mother****er!
** DrKelly quits (Quit: Connection reset by peer)
* ChanServ sets mode +o Hutton
<[color=234342][/color]@Hutton> Okay, *****es, what the ****'s going on.
* Hutton reads the logs
<[color=234342][/color]@Hutton> Blair, check your PM's
<[color=234342][/color]Gillian> Oh, goody. Blair's man-whore is here.
** Hutton sets mode +m [#media]
->Gillian<- Hutton, dude: Gimme voice!
<[color=234342][/color]@Hutton> No.
<[color=234342][/color]Blair> Sock it to 'em, Hutty.
<[color=234342][/color]@Hutton> Gillian's a ****ing liar.
<[color=234342][/color]@Hutton> Blair didn't do **** wrong.
<[color=234342][/color]BBC> This is bull****. I call whitewash!
<[color=234342][/color]@Hutton> Oh no you ****ing don't.
<[color=234342][/color]BBC> Fine. We'll sack Greg and Gillian.
<[color=234342][/color]@Hutton> Good. I'll do it.
** Gillian was kicked by Hutton ("Domino, mother****er!")
** GregDyke was kicked by Hutton ("Don't mess with my *****es!")
<[color=234342][/color]BBC> Blair, you're such a ****ing dick.
<[color=234342][/color]Blair> Hahaha. I was right. PHEAR ME, *****ES!!!
<[color=234342][/color]Blair> http://www.penguinbomb.com/images/pmblion.gif
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I'll have to take your word, seeing as I can't get BBC over here.
- Grug
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Grug, don't insult there national pride, it's... just not a good idea.
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lol. Who's national pride?
I didn't know I was insulting anyone :o
lol an0n though.
The main point I was trying to make, was that terrorists are cowards and that they are all going to hell.
Why not expand that to all evil do'er's in the world?
Terrorism comes from when you give stupid people grown up toys, and fanatical beliefs.
They need a global education system to demonstrate that if you don't get your way, the answer is not to destroy things others have.
But alas, hence is human nature. It's almost a proof that we ARE 'mortal men doomed to die'...
- Grug
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http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/09/09/1094530752760.html?from=top5&oneclick=true
Mother ****ers. :mad: Doesn;t look like an Aussies were killed, though they got plenty of their own countrymen. That said, this was a direct attack on us, unlike Bali, which was just targetting westerners generally. I swear, if they let these ****ers off on "religious grounds"... :mad:
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http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,26877.0.html
there was already thread about that It's really sad indeed ****ing terrorists
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Indonesia is such a mess right now. I miss the Dutch. They were kinda a moderating influence, you know?
(big groups of colonial occupation troops tromping around has that effect on a region)
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Originally posted by Grug
Terrorism comes from when you give stupid people grown up toys, and fanatical beliefs.
Replace the word "fanatical beliefs" with "power" and you've just descirbed governments.
Seriously, am I the only one wondering what's going on with this? Has anyone claimed responsibility yet?
anon: Tres bien. ever considering becoming a political pundit? Essentially, it amounts to being payed to be a full-time asshole, slagging off other asshole and the government.
Live the dream man, live the dream.
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Indeed.
One of the groups already claimed they did it, and is demanding that Australia pull out our troops from Iraq.
When are they going to learn, that it never works!? Never in the past, and never in the future will this kind of gutless act cause a nation to meet demands.
Black Wolf, hopefully instead of capturing and trialing them the government will just send in a squad of SAS and smite their asses into the ground...
It is interesting that they had to attack us from within another country...
- Grug
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Originally posted by Grug
Black Wolf, hopefully instead of capturing and trialing them the government will just send in a squad of SAS and smite their asses into the ground...
Sounds reasonable to me. And if they whinge about it, we just cut off their aid and chuck up some trade embargoes for a year or so. That should shut them up nicely.
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*nods in silence*
Threads merged.
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Originally posted by Grug
Indeed.
One of the groups already claimed they did it, and is demanding that Australia pull out our troops from Iraq.
When are they going to learn, that it never works!? Never in the past, and never in the future will this kind of gutless act cause a nation to meet demands.
Umm, does Spain ring a bell?
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That was in exceptional circumstances...
Western Powers work on making decisions based on their own reasons. Bombing an embassy is not going to in any way change the outcome of our decisions...
They should consider what they would do if similar tactics were placed on them.
Look at the Israily / Palestinian conflict. They retaliate with bombings because of bombings. It will never end. Its just an endless bloodbath...
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unless one side manages to totaly kill the other
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Originally posted by SA22C
Umm, does Spain ring a bell?
Spain did not pull out of Iraq because of the attack on them. They pulled out because public support in Spain was not for the war in the first place, and the people elected an anti-war candiate.
However, the idea that terrorists influenced weak willed spaniards seems to be an illusion that a lot of people want to believe.
If the attack didn't occur, there would have been another scapegoat for the so called "liberal media" here in the US.
Funny how people claim to love democracy and sovereignty and claim to respect it. But once those free people have a different opinion from your own they're hated. What ever happened to the ideal of "I don't agree with you, but I'll defend your right to have an opinion to the death?"
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Even with an anti-war govenment the Spaniards were idiots to pull out of Iraq. By doing so they made the terrorists think that they can influence things by doing this sort of thing.
What they should have done is have the new prime minister say that terrorist activity like this wouldn't change their policy and then kept the troops in a few more months.
I know that the elected party had promised to bring the troops home but by doing it so quickly he sent out completely the wrong message.
If they start getting bombings in their moroccan colonies they may realise their mistake.
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Originally posted by an0n
Ex-****ing-cuse me?
The BBC is the only 'big player' news organization in the world that'll openly call the government a bunch of cu[color=23423][/color]nts.
They're quite possibly the most non-biased news organization in the world.
mmm ya.
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[q]I know that the elected party had promised to bring the troops home but by doing it so quickly he sent out completely the wrong message. [/q]
Which makes you wonder who backed the Spanish bombings...
[q]What ever happened to the ideal of "I don't agree with you, but I'll defend your right to have an opinion to the death?"[/q]
Don't worry some of us still believe it.
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Originally posted by Bobboau
unless one side manages to totaly kill the other
More likely when both of them are totaly killed out...
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Originally posted by karajorma
Even with an anti-war govenment the Spaniards were idiots to pull out of Iraq. By doing so they made the terrorists think that they can influence things by doing this sort of thing.
What they should have done is have the new prime minister say that terrorist activity like this wouldn't change their policy and then kept the troops in a few more months.
I know that the elected party had promised to bring the troops home but by doing it so quickly he sent out completely the wrong message.
If they start getting bombings in their moroccan colonies they may realise their mistake.
I think it was part of the elected governments election manifesto that they would pull the troops out if elected. So they didn't actually change their policy.
Albeit, had the existing government not so completely botched up by throwing accusations at ETA to deflect criticism, they might have still held on. They basically sent out a message that they were ashamed of their involvement of in Iraq, and wanted to avoid that issue (whereas they could have claimed the attacks as a form of vindication as to why they had to help rebuild Iraq to thwart these people, etc).
(that said, you're still talking 90% of the public against the war)
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Originally posted by aldo_14
I think it was part of the elected governments election manifesto that they would pull the troops out if elected. So they didn't actually change their policy.
Did they actually say they would do it immediately though? If not they could have simply delayed the announcement a couple of months.
ETA for instance may have gotten the message that the new government is weak. And that is not a good message to give out.
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should I point out that Aznar was, and this is in his own words, a "independent Falangist", which would place him within ideological spitting distance of Franco. He deserved to lose.
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Originally posted by karajorma
Did they actually say they would do it immediately though? If not they could have simply delayed the announcement a couple of months.
ETA for instance may have gotten the message that the new government is weak. And that is not a good message to give out.
so basically, someone who had neither the support of the peope nor of the current governement did something incredibly stupid, but that they should let a few months pass before correcting this mistake, becuase it would send the wrong message, right?
I don't think that what happened in Spain shows that terrorism works, its just shows that Spainards were against the war in the first place. If it happened in a nation that supported the war, like America (and lets face it, America is just about the only nation, aside from maybe Israel, in which the actual population was pro-war), what would result is not withdrawl but escalation.
My thinking is that if a country is against the war, and I don't mean the government but rather the people, than withdrawing troops at the first oppurtunity is the sane course of action. The Phillipines for example, or Spain. They shouldn't be there in the first place, so why sacrifice their lives for someone else's gain?
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You might not think it. Do you think Osama said "Oh well they were planning to pull out any way. Let's not bother with any of those terror attacks cause they don't work"?