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Modding, Mission Design, and Coding => The Modding Workshop => Topic started by: c914 on September 14, 2004, 04:24:15 am
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Im looking for ships from this serial.
Anyone had ever create one for freespace ??
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DG tried it once but there was a whole sorry arguement of using models from another mod without permission due to a misunderstanding and the whole thing failed miserably.
However you're a modeller and DG is probably still willing to FRED a SAAB Mod. Maybe you guys should chat. :D
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I did some backtracking and I found where the models came from!
ONE, they did NOT come from a mod , they were posted in native 3ds format...
TWO the author was BORG124 and this was intended for an ARMADA I or II mod NOT Homeworld (so for them to come here and claim it was ripped from their mod is full of ****E it seems...
THREE, DG was so disgusted with the situation he basicly walked away from it and nowwith his RL stuff I doubt he would want to return to SAAB. (I've tried with no success to get a hold of him to get the latest updates to the original files.)
FOUR I was planning on reviving this later on cause I tried to get a hold of BORG124 about three times now over the last year with no success. (maybe that email is invalid now?)
http://www.gamingfiles.com/network/links.byebye?link=752
From here click on Borg 124 ART then onnext page SPACE: ABB button to display his meshes...
Enjoy!
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I had a partly textured Hammerhead model somewhere (done all the hull details except for an underside engine bit I never got a good reference for, and the cockpit). Think it was in modeldump3.
Can say it was a ****-load better (in both maps and detail-vs-polys) than the 40,000 poly model I downloaded as a reference.
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Originally posted by Getter Robo G
TWO the author was BORG124 and this was intended for an ARMADA I or II mod NOT Homeworld (so for them to come here and claim it was ripped from their mod is full of ****E it seems...
Damn that pisses me off. If this is true we should get this mod up and running just to spite those homeworld tards.
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It was in Mod Dump 4 and I thought it was quite cool.
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DG's been real quiet on 'ere since all that SAAB business. Anyone else reckon that contributed to the death of Reci. ?
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Originally posted by magatsu1
DG's been real quiet on 'ere since all that SAAB business. Anyone else reckon that contributed to the death of Reci. ?
Nope. Reci died because, basically, I couldn't be arsed with the hassle when I was studying for exams.
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Originally posted by karajorma
Damn that pisses me off. If this is true we should get this mod up and running just to spite those homeworld tards.
Indeed, especially if the original author could be contacted after all.
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It would be even funnier if we complete it before them. Then everyone would think they nicked our models :D
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Originally posted by karajorma
It would be even funnier if we complete it before them. Then everyone would think they nicked our models :D
Hmmm. Exactly what is involved in converting modelled, textured 3dses into single lod pofs? Apart from turreting of the larger ships, presumably not an awful lot right? Subsystems, Gunpoints, thrusers... dock points... am I missing anything? Weapons are possibly already done (from the old project), and even if they aren't, they're not that hard to do. Given a storyline by DG, I'd gladly FRED up a mission or two if it meant irritating a bucnch of dickheads.
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I remember being irritated at the attitude these guys showed DG too. If I can clear my plate a little in the next month I'd be willing to help too.
We really need to check that the modeller isn't actually someone in their team using an alt-nick though. Pity we can't get hold of him.
If this was from an Armada mod rather than Homeworld maybe someone in that community knows something.
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Originally posted by Black Wolf
Given a storyline by DG, I'd gladly FRED up a mission or two if it meant irritating a bucnch of dickheads.
[color=66ff00]Heheh revenge is a dish best served POFed. :D
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Originally posted by karajorma
I remember being irritated at the attitude these guys showed DG too. If I can clear my plate a little in the next month I'd be willing to help too.
We really need to check that the modeller isn't actually someone in their team using an alt-nick though. Pity we can't get hold of him.
If this was from an Armada mod rather than Homeworld maybe someone in that community knows something.
What did they say?
I won't pretend I know what S:AAB is, exactly, however reading these posts, I think I have a rough idea of what happened. My current opinion of the situation overall is:
Screw the uptight bastards.
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SAAB = Space Above and Beyond
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(http://nodewar.penguinbomb.com/saab/images/spineyes.gif)
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That was weird
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Originally posted by Jetmech Jr.
What did they say?
Basically DG apologised all over the place for the mix up and begged to be allowed to continue using the mods and they basically said no.
While I didn't like that attitude (When I release a campaign if someone wants to port my mods to another engine I'd be more than happy to see that happen as long as I got credit) I respected it since I figured it was their model to do with as they please.
If that turns out to be incorrect then I'm pissed off cause firstly they had no right to deny DG in the first place but cause secondly I was really looking forwards to the S:AAB conversion.
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DG didn't mention it as he just popped his scrrewy head in here a few posts ago! But if I rememebr correctly the conversions, for the most part, were FINISHED! Just the Chig mother ship and one of the carriers were being biatches...
If this were to take off again I would be uber thrilled, plus after so much time trying to contact do you guys think it would be cool to go ahead anyway as long as he is credited (as he was going to be all along!)...
As for that particular HW team, in my eyes they have lost all credability. If I bothered to track down thier posts here and then go to the HW boards and find them to ask "is one of your members Borg124 that made SAAB models?" and they said yes, I would think most likely they would be lying just to deny us their use because of their past behavior, Plus their claim was that these were made FOR HW that means PEO files NOT generic 3ds files!
Just some food for thought...
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Have you got a link to the download link for the original models. That might be a bit easier to interpret.
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From my first post (did it work earlier?)
http://www.gamingfiles.com/network/links.byebye?link=752
If you notice not one word is mentioned anywhere about HW, as FGX is an Armada site...
I can't get the direct link to work, you have to go to the right side and click on Borg124 Art link
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Originally posted by karajorma
Basically DG apologised all over the place for the mix up and begged to be allowed to continue using the mods and they basically said no.
While I didn't like that attitude (When I release a campaign if someone wants to port my mods to another engine I'd be more than happy to see that happen as long as I got credit) I respected it since I figured it was their model to do with as they please.
If that turns out to be incorrect then I'm pissed off cause firstly they had no right to deny DG in the first place but cause secondly I was really looking forwards to the S:AAB conversion.
Is there a link to this discussion? Or was it over e-mail or something?
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I've posted the link twice now (it shows up in my messages as I read them)
Is something going on??? I am now using Mozilla Firefox and although I like it better than IE it seems to have some features not enabled I took for granted with IE...
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Yeah, but I'm not looking for the guys ship models. I'm looking for the discussion between DG and Him.
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S:AAB ruled. At least, it did during the first few seasons, after that I didn't understand a darn thing that was going on unfortunately (I was quite young and easily confusable at hte time tho ;) :p
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I presume you've tried contacting him via ICQ as he gives his number on his site. He may have been lurking in invisible mode so send him a message.
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Hope this gets off the ground, guys. Keep us updated, PM me or something if you actually get it back up and running. :)
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I've download ships from linkt that Getter Robo G post here and i can only sat that most models from there wasn't good ( texstureand modle geometry is verwy bad )
Aldo from where Ican download yours modeldump:doubt:
Adn yesrstoday ive start modeling Kennedy class carrier;7 :
(http://c914.w.interia.pl/ob/kennedy01.JPG)
(http://c914.w.interia.pl/ob/kennedy02.JPG)
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oooooooh dude!! That looks sw333t!!!
I gotta see some of those Hammerheads in action though!
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Nice work indeed. :D
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(http://nodewar.penguinbomb.com/saab/images/Warrior.jpg)
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hmm....from where i can download it ( if is opportunity do do it )?
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Has anyone found a convertable model of the Hammerhead? (Without the drama of credit ownership) Or started to build one?
Cuz I just started
(http://www.penguinbomb.com/omniscaper/WIPS/Hammerhead.jpg)
This is my first homegrown model in 3 years. So i'm still a little rusty. I am haveing difficulties finding blueprints or reference pictures of ALL angles of this ship. Can anyone help me out?
... otherwise I can just stop and wait for someone else to do this.
PS: Yes, thats a Mac runnning Lightwave. Actually runs pretty sweet on a dual 2ghz G5.
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I have an accurate Hammerhead already modelled & partially mapped. But it's in a modeldump somewhere.
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Cool, that saves me the trouble. What do you mean by modeldump? Whats your polygon count Aldo?
I'll just finish this as an exercise in flexing them old muscles. I', particularly having problems visualizing the shape of the engines and their relationship to the wings. They are very strange.
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Here Aldo.
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Mind if I download it, Black? Deperately in need of a reference. Is this model an original, or was this the source of past drama?
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Originally posted by Omniscaper
Cool, that saves me the trouble. What do you mean by modeldump? Whats your polygon count Aldo?
I'll just finish this as an exercise in flexing them old muscles. I', particularly having problems visualizing the shape of the engines and their relationship to the wings. They are very strange.
Modeldump is a big zip of unfinished models I release every once in a while. Unfinished for various reasons, usually the pain of using TS to convert, or simply because I'm not happy with 'em.
The hammerhead was made for FS_2 normal ,it should be about 800-900 polys I think. No guns / missiles modelled. Map is technically done to the point of decal-ing, but I never felt it was detailed enough (it was pretty much accurate to the TV clips I had, though). The underside rear thrusters might need a bit of work, I never had a good reference for them.
EDIT: hmm,looking at it, it probably needs a fair bit of work to fix the rough edges. Maps need detailed, too - darken the lines, add 'rougher' shading, etc. The neck was slightly too long, too - albeit that's fixed in the one prefixed SH.
Wouldn;t be happy with that nowadays, to be honest.
EDIT2; yep, it's original.
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Wanna collaborate?
After looking at it, I have a better idea now how the wings and engines are arranged. Though the engines are kind of off, excellent and ACURRATE model nonetheless.
I can finish mine as a 3k poly version with both turrets and missile pylons by the end of the day. Texturing is a different issue. Yours could be a LOD unless you have a high poly of your own in the worx.
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Wait until you post piccies of the Chig motherships. People will point at you and laugh
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even for HT&L 3k is a bit much.
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Originally posted by magatsu1
even for HT&L 3k is a bit much.
Not really. Nico's Ezechiel and Perseus both come in over that and I don't hear any complaints about them.
If Omni's model is using all 3k polys I won't complain too much either. If there is wastage I might have a go. :p
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Originally posted by Omniscaper
Wanna collaborate?
After looking at it, I have a better idea now how the wings and engines are arranged. Though the engines are kind of off, excellent and ACURRATE model nonetheless.
I can finish mine as a 3k poly version with both turrets and missile pylons by the end of the day. Texturing is a different issue. Yours could be a LOD unless you have a high poly of your own in the worx.
I don;t intend to go back to modelling the Hammerhead or indeed anything related to SAAB... this is/was the only time I attempted something based off a TV/Movie/other, and - to be honest - it bored the absolute tits off me.
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If thats the case, may I modify and use your model as an LOD?
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Fire away. That is the very purpose of a modeldump :)
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Santa's in the house ;)
Tanx
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Diamond Geezer, check this out, I went to HW forums SAAB team thread and got to the point politely (they obviously forgot who I was)...
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Icon 1 posted 29 September, 2004 05:51 PM
I'm trying to find a modler by the name of BORG124 (in fact I've tried to get a hold of this person for over a year). IS any model maker on your team known by this name? This is very important as a mod project once again hinges on finding a valid link to this person.
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"Yes that's him. That second link is very helpful cause I tried to mail him at the first one (and then forgot the site) Is he associated with your mod (as a modler)?"
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I cleaned that log up a little but that's my exact questions and their exact responses... Straight from the source... There is NO HW SAAB Contraversy with those models! Needless to say I am more than a LITTLE pissed off after that apology I gave them, but that is water under the bridge ON WITH SAAB!
So since the mod was so close to completion, if you still don't want to finish it would you send me those files??? Not as a mod, as it seems these guys are picking it up on their own anyway, but just for my use...(pretty please?) I can take as many as you got at my email now: [email protected] in 10mb chunks i think (good to have 100mb storage) :)
L8tr DG... (if you do feel generous enough to send them I'll probably start voice capturing from the episodes again)
I will however use that new link they gave me as I check it and BORG124 was recently active on it like a few days ago! I will ask him if his models can be Officially used in a FS2 Mod... (as I HAVE been trying to get a hold of him for over a year!) So at least ONE good thing came of this whole fiascal, I can contact the REAL author of the models! :rolleyes:
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Moved to new thread.....
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Nice. :yes: