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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: IceFire on September 14, 2004, 08:45:59 pm
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Likely a fabrication and a farce but hey they are pretty nifty looking and it gives you a bit of an idea of what a finished X-Box 2 would look like.
http://www.engadget.com/entry/9253838747326816/
I wonder if the new X-Box would be compatible with the old one... :D
I want to play Halo 2 some day :D
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/shamelessbashmode 1
Condoles should all be pitched into the flames of doom or at least keep their dirty paws and marketing ploys out of PC games, they and their lousy game designs are ruining PC titles that could've been cool, noone should ever be allowed to buy a console aver again1!!!!1
!1!1
/shamelessbashmode 0
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Yeah, probably fake, but still. The first one looks uggggly, though the second one is kind of cool. Its seems everyone is trying to copy Apple designs these days.
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Well consoles aren't that bad. While there's been tons of mediocre titles due to them (Deus Ex 2, etc.) there's also games like Morrowind where the PC version has the same level of quality additional features that allow for more replay value such as Morrowind's construction set.
The one X-Box 2 game I am waiting for is Oblivion, a sequel to Morrowind, which will also be out for PC.
Here's some Oblivion screens. They're scans from a magazine so the quality isn't super-great:
(http://www.clubic.com/photo/00099209.jpg)
(http://www.clubic.com/photo/00099210.jpg)
(http://www.clubic.com/photo/00099211.jpg)
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luverly
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Consoles are good for any game you want to play in the living room whilst slightly non-sober at 3 in the morning with mates. Like Mario Kart, or Pro Evo.
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Originally posted by IceFire
Likely a fabrication and a farce but hey they are pretty nifty looking and it gives you a bit of an idea of what a finished X-Box 2 would look like.
http://www.engadget.com/entry/9253838747326816/
I wonder if the new X-Box would be compatible with the old one... :D
I want to play Halo 2 some day :D
interesting, but yeah, backwards compatability would be a boon to the whatever new console microsoft has planned. after all, that was a major selling point of the Ps2, neh?
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Originally posted by Turnsky
interesting, but yeah, backwards compatability would be a boon to the whatever new console microsoft has planned. after all, that was a major selling point of the Ps2, neh?
Yeah, but - and this is an honest question - how many people actually played PS1 games once they had bought their PS2?
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Me...
I played Colin McRae, until WRC came out....
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Originally posted by aldo_14
Yeah, but - and this is an honest question - how many people actually played PS1 games once they had bought their PS2?
*glances at ff8*..
um... yeah..
even if people don't use it, it's still a good thing to have, so that people don't ***** about there being no backwards compatability..:p
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Originally posted by aldo_14
Yeah, but - and this is an honest question - how many people actually played PS1 games once they had bought their PS2?
I'am still playing PS1 games like Chrono Cross,FF7,FF8, FF9
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Those Xbox2 screens are already confirmed fake. The new Elder Scrolls is looking badass though. Also, why bother with backwards compatibilty when you can just keep the old console? That's what I do.
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I must be blunt. Use ur brain
Xbox is essentially a PC, therefore it is very very likely, if Xbox 2 follows a similar approach, that it will be backward compatible with Xbox software.
Of course, I have not been following console news at all, so if Microsoft has decided upon a vastly different approach of questionable compatibility then I am in err.
But if Xbox 2 is a specialized PC, then there could be no problem. And never could be :yes:
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Originally posted by .:Firestorm:.
But if Xbox 2 is a specialized PC, then there could be no problem. And never could be :yes:
but there is proplem XBOX 1 use Nvidia and XBOX 2 has ATI R600 series card) so that is proplem they having in backward compatible
Ati X800pro is builded to R420 so that is proplem they having in backward compatible
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still a rather doubtful premise. Only problems would arise, in that case, from specific old generation nVidia tweaks. This would be a problem only for purely console style built games i.e. extremely tailor made to the platform might have problems, but then most console games nowadays, my impression is, are multi-platform regardless.
They were good enough to run on Xbox, they'll be good enough for Xbox 2, especially considering the case that they were already ported to vastly alien platforms in the PS2 and the GameCube
If the only relevant difference is an upgraded video card, rejoice. xbox has the ultimate backward compatibility of all the consoles. I always knew the Xbox line was the answer; that the path of the future lay in the convergence with computers.
Puahahahahaha
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There is lot other proplems also, anyway some company is already doing backward compatibility program. Read news about it, maybe M$ uses that somehow.
and Xbox2 is more Power mac than normal PC because of CPU
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I wish HIG made sense once in a while.
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IIRC the X-box was to be based on multiple parallel processing, which AFAIK no desktop PC (be it IBM-stylee or Mac) uses.
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Xbox 2 will be backwards compatible, all Xbox games will work on the Xbox 2. Speaking of Halo 2, while all you guys get to pay full price, I get to get it for (if they carry it) 25-30 dollars at the Msoft store. MUAHAHAHAHAHA.
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Originally posted by Deepblue
Xbox 2 will be backwards compatible, all Xbox games will work on the Xbox 2. Speaking of Halo 2, while all you guys get to pay full price, I get to get it for (if they carry it) 25-30 dollars at the Msoft store. MUAHAHAHAHAHA.
How do you know?
How do they solve the problem of having a completely different graphics core driving the whole thing?
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Ok I'm a bit late, but with the number of graphics people around here, how did someone not scream "FAKE!!!!" for those pics? The first one absolutely screams low-quality render.
And that second one is a shameless kitbash of an XBox 1 and a gamecube. Not that creative, even for a hoax.
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Originally posted by IceFire
How do you know?
How do they solve the problem of having a completely different graphics core driving the whole thing?
If the new architecture was powerful enough, possibly they could just write an abstraction layer.
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Originally posted by StratComm
Ok I'm a bit late, but with the number of graphics people around here, how did someone not scream "FAKE!!!!" for those pics? The first one absolutely screams low-quality render.
And that second one is a shameless kitbash of an XBox 1 and a gamecube. Not that creative, even for a hoax.
I pretty much knew that from the start...but its still kind of fun :)
Gets the brain thinking about what they may actually be doing.
Aldo, interesting point...I don't know enough about the actual programming but I guess that this wouldn't be too difficult to do then (in the grand scheme of things)?
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Originally posted by IceFire
Aldo, interesting point...I don't know enough about the actual programming but I guess that this wouldn't be too difficult to do then (in the grand scheme of things)?
Don't know enough to be sure, in all honesty. But we already have the likes of console-PC emulators, made by 3rd parties, so it's obviously possible for a pro. Other side is how the architecture is structured. If it is parallel, then there may be very tough load balancing issues, for example.
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I'd heard that the Xbox 2 was following a more traditional console design so it's not a bastardized PC like the Xbox was. Did they actually decide to go with another PC-based thing?
Methinks emulation would be really difficult, even with a lot of processing power. Vmware can emulate Windows (Xboxes use a stripped down WinXP iirc) on x86, but there's no way you're going to run a high quality game on it at a playable speed. Vmware is a commercial product that's gotten years of work into it, so if Vmware can't play games I doubt the Xbox2 will have some magic, working Xbox emulator.
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It all really depends on how much of their games is actually being run through hardware-specific features, and how much is being done through the OS. I suspect it's largely hardware based, but if it isn't I doubt MS would have trouble adapting whatever OS the Xbox2 will use to be compatable. And I think that mainstream consoles are going the bastardized-PC route by default now, not that MS is deviating from their previous tactics.
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From what I hear the biggest problem with backwards compatibility (which is out from what I've read) is the Xbox hard drive. Xbox2 is apparently not going to ship with a HD and the way the current generation titles work, it would make it a nightmare. For example, Crimson Skies on the Xbox reportedly uses up to 1gb for texture cacheing alone.
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I don't know, I'd probably buy an X-Box 2 if it was backwards compatible ( for Halo and Halo 2, mostly), but I don't think I'd buy one if it wasn't. Almost certainly not.
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Definitely wouldnt get it if it wasnt, but I'm sure it will be.
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[color=66ff00]Did Bungie ever get their act together with the PC version of Halo? Heard it wasn't well coded or somesuch and didn't run very fast even on high end machines.
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Runs flawlessly on the Xbox, but apparently it didnt do so well on the PC.
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Originally posted by Maeglamor
[color=66ff00]Did Bungie ever get their act together with the PC version of Halo? Heard it wasn't well coded or somesuch and didn't run very fast even on high end machines.
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It was Gearbox that did the conversion, and yes it was a god awful conversion that doesn't run well on machines even vastly exceeding the min & recommended specs. i.e. I have something like 2 or 3 times the min specs in my case, and it doesn;t run well at anything beyond min res, all setting off and the 1.4 pixel path (in fact, it doesn't run well at this, either).
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Originally posted by aldo_14
It was Gearbox that did the conversion, and yes it was a god awful conversion that doesn't run well on machines even vastly exceeding the min & recommended specs. i.e. I have something like 2 or 3 times the min specs in my case, and it doesn;t run well at anything beyond min res, all setting off and the 1.4 pixel path (in fact, it doesn't run well at this, either).
the reviewer of that here.. (PC-Powerplay) Reccomened at least a 4ghz machine... (yes, that's right, an ludicrously OC'd box, back then anywho)
Halo was /nice/ on the xbox, it should needed a 2ghz+ processor at the most if it was done properly for PC.. in anycase, has gearbox done any real development outside Half-life mods? :p
Bungie shoulda let a more well-known dev do the conversion, like monolith, or something of the like..
that said, (and back on topic) i'd be interested to hear what official words microsoft have to say concerning a second generation xbox console.. hopefully a more refined system, faster, etc.. and hopefully they should keep the HDD feature of the system intact, it makes things so much easier to manage as far as playing it "right out of the box" is concerned..
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Originally posted by Turnsky
the reviewer of that here.. (PC-Powerplay) Reccomened at least a 4ghz machine... (yes, that's right, an ludicrously OC'd box, back then anywho)
Halo was /nice/ on the xbox, it should needed a 2ghz+ processor at the most if it was done properly for PC.. in anycase, has gearbox done any real development outside Half-life mods? :p
Not really (as a company, at least), a quick gander of their website indicates;
Halo: Combat Evolved
James Bond 007: NightFire
Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3
Half-Life for Playstation 2
Half-Life: Blue Shift
Half-Life: Opposing Force
Half-Life: Platinum Pack
Half-Life: Counterstrike
(also Brothers in Arms, which looks impressive tobefair).
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Originally posted by aldo_14
Not really (as a company, at least), a quick gander of their website indicates;
Halo: Combat Evolved
James Bond 007: NightFire
Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3
Half-Life for Playstation 2
Half-Life: Blue Shift
Half-Life: Opposing Force
Half-Life: Platinum Pack
Half-Life: Counterstrike
(also Brothers in Arms, which looks impressive tobefair).
well, other than CS, and OpFor (blueshift was a so-so) Nightfire wasn't /that/ good, i dunno about tony hawk's.. never played it.. :p
brothers in arms does sound good, but, i fear it will "just be another ww2 game" :blah: at least its premise is a cool feature.. based on a true story and all.
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this is why the mages' guild in oblivion banned necromancy
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What in the name of ****? Not only do you resurrect a long dead thread (2 years), you do so to 'welcome' someone who hasn't posted since 2004?!
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Well, it was to try how to send the "Beam"
And, as you noticed, the attempt failed.... :(
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awww its ok. dont worry about it.
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thanks
a question: why the BEAM is not shown in my message?
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no clue.
i never use those smileys. i use a combination of imageshack and image tags. just for those big ones
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Ok, seriously - why the **** was this necroed so that one noob could post a welcome speech to another noob that only has three posts - from 2004?!
Dumbass.
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Token post of outrage.
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thanks
a question: why the BEAM is not shown in my message?
For justice.
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Please don't bring up threads this old again, welcome beam or no - this really isn't a good reason to.