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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: aldo_14 on September 15, 2004, 09:57:52 am
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3656524.stm
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all i know is, there's a fox that lives around my neighborhood that's eaten a few pet cats, and i'm gonna shoot him before he get's mine.
...now that i think about it, that has little to do with the topic.
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Fox hunting is evil...
If you need to control vermin, use traps, poison or guns.
If you want a sporting challenge, play football or something...
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dude... most foxes wouldn't go within ten feet of a cat.
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Foxes don't eat Cats, I'd be more inclined to look for a Lynx or similar larger cat. Cats can actually do far more damage to a fox than vice versa.
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Just an interesting development, it appears that a group of people protesting the Ban on fox-hunting have broken into parliament, obviously Fathers 4 Justice has started a trend ;)
LOL You know, if it weren't for the fact that Terrorists kill people, this would be funny :D As it is, it's more than a little bit embarrasing.
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hmmm, hunting is real big down here in texas, but thats like deer and dove, no foxes.......kill a coyote now n then but no foxes
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You know, if the people who participate in the sport were in any way competent hunters, there'd be much less of an outcry. It's the same as pheasant shooting - most of the people that do it are crappy shots, and more often than not will wound the animal and leave it lying in pain rather than kill it cleanly (or, in this case, let the dogs tear it to shreds).
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I wouldn't actually mind if it wasn't so barbaric, I don't like poison and I don't like shooting however they are usually quick to task, not chasing a fox for miles with bloodhounds at it's tail terrifying it halfway to it's death in the first place, then letting it be ripped apart. I think it's disgusting that they try to portray it as a humane death.
I like the way the hunters try to make out that the fox population needs to be controlled, foxes actually maintain their own population, how much food is available to them determines whether they breed or not.
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If they replaced the fox with a remote controlled car / airplane / helicopter, would they (the hunters) complain? If so, does that mean hunting is for the satisfication of brutal, violent death rather than *cough* 'sport'?
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Originally posted by vyper
dude... most foxes wouldn't go within ten feet of a cat.
this one does. people have seen it.
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It's probably menacing domexticated pets because
a) It's desperate, perhaps because all the wild small animals have been killed by hunting, lack of food, etc
b) You have really wimpy pets.
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Do not ban: We need food from somewhere.
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Originally posted by TopAce
Do not ban: We need food from somewhere.
Noone eats the foxes.
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Anyway the friggin protestors are fecking idiots, attack the police what did they hope to acheive, noone seeing the idiots doing all their stupid **** will think "Oh I'll vote for them cos they're really angry!"
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Originally posted by Petrarch of the VBB
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From where the hell should have I known nobody eats foxes? Knowing human behaviour, everything is imaginable.
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Originally posted by TopAce
From where the hell should have I known nobody eats foxes?
Common sense?
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Originally posted by Clave
Fox hunting is evil...
If you need to control vermin, use traps, poison or guns.
I wouldn't say traps or poison are especially fox friendly either.
Anyway, here's a few questions:
Do you live in the country? ... possibly
Do you work on a farm? ....doubt it
Would you like it if someone tried to ban your favourite tradition? ..No.
Personally I don't really consider the rights of foxes to be that important in the greater scheme of things. I don't know what foxes themselves think of me, but thats irrelevant. The law in scotland currently is that you can chase the fox with dogs but you can't kill it with them. Seems fair enough.
Urban foxes are certainly a menace, I've seen one 3 times lately and I live in a city.
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To be considered sport, there must be a chance of loosing. The other team can't be defenceless. As it stands, its not really very likely the fox will turn around and maul you to death, and even the chances of it escaping aren't that good.
So I propose that, yes, fox hunting should remain legal, however, fox hunts will take place in designated hunting areas, and these areas will be littered with landmines. Even the playing field a bit, you know...or actually even it a lot, depending on how many you step on...
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Doesn't matter, they have been DEMOCRATICALLY defeated by a majority of about 118 votes. And about 2000 people have been rioting plus alot of them invaded Westminster (good thing they weren't actually a proper threat (if only TB were there and they were terrorists, sigh))
I quote "I'm not a terrorist, I'm a physiotherapist" from one of the would be revolutionaries.
We British are an insane bunch.
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Oooh dear. You just picked my hot topic. I've got first hand experience about this one.
Urban foxes? Fair enough - they can be a menace and I've seen some terror stories involving babies and what have you. These foxes are not controlled by hunting though - and their survival does not hinge on a hunt. Fox hunting refers purely to country foxes.
As for fox hunters? Ban the ****ers.
Trust me. I live on the south coast of England - a bit further inland in Sussex, fox hunting is huge. Packs of dogs and huge horses rode by the rich, greedy and generaly unpleasent... and their equally similar children... tear up the countryside - with the aid of police protection - to hunt down one fox. If a protestor were to get in the way of all this, well lets just say the hunt would not stop to move around him. They'd ride straight at him and if they hit him? So much the better for them.
And how do I know all of this? I've been in an anti-hunt movement in my county. Note that our action was purely preventative... distracting the dogs by calling them, spraying a distracting scent over the path of the fox to throw off the hunt dogs... that kind of thing. No danger or damage to anyone except the pride of the bastards who take to horses in the name of this so called sport.
All in all - the fox doesn't get a good deal in this at all. Don't tell me that this is a fine old tradition or that foxes do damage in the country. In the grand scheme of things the damage foxes do is negligable (especially to chickens in your average bulk-farm). The sport aspect? The tradition? Barbaric and cruel certainly. By all means shoot clay pidgeons... but hunting down a defenseless animal with a pack of dogs and horses with a flotila of jeeps as a support group? If it were a human instead of a fox then the US would've napalmed the horse stables and assasinated the manor house owners long ago.
I'm sure the fox still feels pain. Find a new ****ing sport.
And I'm done...
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Originally posted by beatspete
I wouldn't say traps or poison are especially fox friendly either.
Anyway, here's a few questions:
Do you live in the country? ... possibly
Do you work on a farm? ....doubt it
Would you like it if someone tried to ban your favourite tradition? ..No.
Personally I don't really consider the rights of foxes to be that important in the greater scheme of things. I don't know what foxes themselves think of me, but thats irrelevant. The law in scotland currently is that you can chase the fox with dogs but you can't kill it with them. Seems fair enough.
Urban foxes are certainly a menace, I've seen one 3 times lately and I live in a city.
You could say that our worth as a society can be determined by how we treat those who are weaker than us, i.e. how we treat children, animals, etc - i.e. anything which is defenseless.
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Thunder, I absolutely, 100% ****ing agree. Let the ****heads find some other hobby that doesn't involve making defenseless animals suffer and die.
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Well, as far as I am aware, these people are not fox hunting.
What they are doing is capturing a fox, and then releasing it into a pre-arranged environment so that it can be used in a bloodsport. Which is technically defined as baiting and has been illegal in the UK for a long time.
Secondly, as for these campaigners who say foxes damage wildlife, I suspect a fox does less damage in it's entire life to the wildlife than a collection of horse-riders, jeeps and blood-crazed dogs that attack not only foxes, but rabbits, stoats, voles, badgers and, on occasion Children, Pets and each other, do in a single hunt.
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I appreciate that foxes are pests which need controlling. I do not entertain the cute and cuddly image some people have of foxes. They're vicious little ****ers. I have no problem with foxes being killed.
What I object to is people torturing animals to death for fun.
To adress an earlier point, numerous cats round my way have been killed by foxes - typically by having their heads bitten off...
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:yes: Exactly. I was in a hurry earlier, but you have said what I was thinking. Hunting foxes as means of vermin control is like using B52s for urban regeneration.
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Originally posted by diamondgeezer
I appreciate that foxes are pests which need controlling. I do not entertain the cute and cuddly image some people have of foxes. They're vicious little ****ers. I have no problem with foxes being killed.
What I object to is people torturing animals to death for fun.
To adress an earlier point, numerous cats round my way have been killed by foxes - typically by having their heads bitten off...
That's certainly what I was trying to say but in a more condensed fashion... they *do* do damage in an urban environment. However that is a world away from hunting them in the wild for sport.
To that end - if they become dangerous in an urban setting then control them via guns, chemicals or any other viable means including sanitary removal of them to the wild. However, none of those things are for fun..
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I reckon Parliment has more pressing issues....
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They wouldn't be scavenging in urban areas if there was sufficient food for them in the country.
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this is another one of those issues that people care alot about even though it's not a big deal.
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NB: vote passed
I've nothing against humane culling, just what amouts to torture for fun. If it was hunting a puppy or a kitten, this wouldn't even be a debate.
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Originally posted by Petrarch of the VBB
They wouldn't be scavenging in urban areas if there was sufficient food for them in the country.
Not necessarily true, a fox is going to go for easy food simple as that, there's plenty of food in the countryside, it's just way easier to scavenge from a dustbin. Also, DG we have hundreds of foxes around here I've never heard of a cat being attacked by them ever (not denying it does happen) but it's more likely a stray dog thats savaging cats. Foxes tend to be terrified of cats.
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Besides, with all these dustbins and free food lying around, why would a fox even bother to go to the effort of chasing a cat most of the time?
Glad it got passed anyway :D
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I've always been against fox hunting, and I'm happy its banned finally. Boy would I wish to see those smug rich bastards now, pissing their fortune away at the closest pub. :D I've also had first hand experience with "those" people when I've visited family in England. As well as some of their kids who went to my school.