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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: aldo_14 on September 19, 2004, 12:14:05 pm
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http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Essays/FiveMinutes.html
like a) anyone cares and b) anyone would listen
But no doubt it'll start a nice violent discussion. Blame bluesnews.
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Wow, isn't it fortunate that neither is actually real and therefore it doesn't matter one bit.... Phew.
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yeah....
before I'd bother.
Now all I can say is that the Shivans would pwn both, some way or the other :P
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Another reason not to touch Stardestryer .net not even with a ten foot pole. Those people there are so fanatic I'd imagine it's even unhealthy beeing in the same room with one of those.
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Yeah. Shivans could easily crush both of them.
Wouldn't that be a cool movie, though? You would get to watch a Sathanas kill the Enterprise. :D
DIE, TREKKIES!
Then, PART TWO, watch a Sathanas kill a star destroyer!!!11oneone :D
DIE..uh...STAR PEOPLE! tthings...whatchmacallits
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Meh, I don't care about these VS things. Both SW & ST are good
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I like how they're using the numbers/scenes from the show as scientific evidence. Did they not realize that this is science fiction, and that these statictics were made up by authors? :p The Star Wars statistics, in particular, are so over-exaggerated as to be ridiculous. A hundred billion gazillion bajillion jigawatts!!!!1 :p I'm also a fan of both universes; who cares which ship would "beat" which ship? Just take them as two separate entities, different but good.
And yes, the Shivans would own everything :cool:.
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Originally posted by Kalfireth
Wow, isn't it fortunate that neither is actually real and therefore it doesn't matter one bit.... Phew.
Yeah, but you have to admit it's funny when they get their hackles up.
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:lol: Absolutely! I love these theoretical combats tho - it's a laugh to drop something like Gandalf vs Darth Vader into the conversation.
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Originally posted by aldo_14
Yeah, but you have to admit it's funny when they get their hackles up.
Oh yes, definitely. I mean I could probably engage in a half-hearted arguement about which franchises ships were more powerful but I wouldn't mean it. It'd just be for a laugh.
The ones who get passionate about it? Well they scare me.
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No! You're wrong! Cyber-Hitlers' Monkey-Clone could never beat the child of Predator and Supermans second cousin twice removed!
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No! Pants-man is definately no match for man-man!
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[color=66ff00]Spiff could own them all!!!1one
Or he could simply be shot down at the very start. :D
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Vat!? You dare defy ze might of ze United Federation ov Planets!? Ze mighty Enterprise veell come for you!
:p
Seriously, i like Vs debates (Note; debates, not bashing either side. There's the difference most people don't see). I'm a Trek geek and i'm proud of it! :D I enjoy a good debate about scifi subjects.
But SD.net is too bad even for me *shrugs* Much like http://www.st-v-sw.net/ . It's just too much. It's simply hilarious to see how much time people put into something this unproductive.
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InVader ZIM!!!
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Of course the Empire is incredibly better. :D
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LOL Especially since they work in entirely different universes. I like the fact the author pretends to be nonchalant about the whole thing, as if they hadn't just typed up an entire page of text to prove a point that they 'really don't care about' ;)
Edit : Of course, looking at the stats on these ships, I'd certainly come to the conclusion that ST is the more 'realistic' of the two. A Star Destroyer would need something like an Omega Particle for power in the ST universe ;)
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Originally posted by Flipside
Edit : Of course, looking at the stats on these ships, I'd certainly come to the conclusion that ST is the more 'realistic' of the two. A Star Destroyer would need something like an Omega Particle for power in the ST universe ;)
SW is typically male, the bigger the better. Even if it doesn't even make sense anymore.
:D
I just wuv generalizations :p
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Originally posted by Blitzerland
Yeah. Shivans could easily crush both of them.
Wouldn't that be a cool movie, though? You would get to watch a Sathanas kill the Enterprise. :D
DIE, TREKKIES!
Then, PART TWO, watch a Sathanas kill a star destroyer!!!11oneone :D
DIE..uh...STAR PEOPLE! tthings...whatchmacallits
You forgot The Yuzhan Vong from the Expended Universe :p
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Could Superman beat the enterprise?
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Easy, he'd just fly through the Nacelles, and pop goes the Warp Core ;)
Although, I have to say, this person doesn't make the one comparison that makes the entire discussion pointless, which is 'What was the main race in each universe doing 5000 years ago'. Now SW vs ST+5000 years would be a more interesting comparison ;)
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Originally posted by MetalDestroyer
You forgot The Yuzhan Vong from the Expended Universe :p
Ouch... game, set and match to Star Wars!
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He's making the mistake of only using one race vs. one race. The name of the discussion is "Star Wars vs Star Trek", not "The Empire vs The Federation". If he held to his original purpose, he would include Species 8472, or even Q, in which case Star Wars wouldn't stand a chance.
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Oh... go on then ;)
Not to mention he's also only compared comparative technology, i.e. Laser weapons, engines etc. Star Trek has things like Transporter tech, seemingly more advanced computer and holographic technology, advanced cloaking tech etc, etc. Theres no real way to make an estimate of the impact these techs would have.
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Originally posted by Flipside
Although, I have to say, this person doesn't make the one comparison that makes the entire discussion pointless, which is 'What was the main race in each universe doing 5000 years ago'. Now SW vs ST+5000 years would be a more interesting comparison ;)
Heh, so true. The Feds have Uber Time Travel o' D00M tech in the 29th century already :p
Empire has been there for 25,000 years, the Federation only for 200 years or so.
:D
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Fed tech is more adaptable, more modular.
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Windows is teh 3mpire! :lol:
As an aside, can I just ask here, the second Death Star was larger than the first, and the first was the size of a 'small moon', which is presumably bigger than a 'large asteroid'.
If this is the case would not:
a) Such an object have a large effect on the gravitic tides of Endor, thus causing massive tidal and environmental changes?
b) The destruction of a generator powerful enough to create a laser that destroys planets have left Endor a flame-ravaged husk?
c) The destruction of a shield generator powerful enough to envelop a moon in orbit have had much the same blast area as a massive nuclear detonation?
Just curious ;)
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Originally posted by Flipside
Windows is teh 3mpire! :lol:
As an aside, can I just ask here, the second Death Star was larger than the first, and the first was the size of a 'small moon', which is presumably bigger than a 'large asteroid'.
If this is the case would not:
a) Such an object have a large effect on the gravitic tides of Endor, thus causing massive tidal and environmental changes?
b) The destruction of a generator powerful enough to create a laser that destroys planets have left Endor a flame-ravaged husk?
c) The destruction of a shield generator powerful enough to envelop a moon in orbit have had much the same blast area as a massive nuclear detonation?
Just curious ;)
I've read in some bizarre site that the Death Star would have created sufficient debris to devastate Endor. However, I suspect this is was 'calculated' because the author really, really hated Ewoks.
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Gandalf vs Darth Vader vs Kirk!!!! :nervous: :D
This is like making a match Jehova vs Buda :D
(Buda wins) :nervous:
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:lol:
This is getting pretty hysterical...
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Originally posted by Carl
He's making the mistake of only using one race vs. one race. The name of the discussion is "Star Wars vs Star Trek", not "The Empire vs The Federation". If he held to his original purpose, he would include Species 8472, or even Q, in which case Star Wars wouldn't stand a chance.
But Star Wars has The Force. That has to count for something.
That said.. Q - being god like - is something of a power-gamers trump card in this conflict of franchises. I think he should be banned from use under some kind of WMD act ;)
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Originally posted by Flipside
As an aside, can I just ask here, the second Death Star was larger than the first, and the first was the size of a 'small moon', which is presumably bigger than a 'large asteroid'.
The Death Star was 120 km in diameter. the second one was 160 km.
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hmmmm... possibly not enough to have a gravitic effect as such then, but still, not a small object to have blow up in orbit ;)
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And thus enters the Culture :D
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[q]That said.. Q - being god like - is something of a power-gamers trump card in this conflict of franchises. I think he should be banned from use under some kind of WMD act [/q]
And our favorite Q would be likely to completely destroy the rebel's rationality with his cutting sarcasm. ;)
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Heh, at least Q agrees Trek is full of technobabble :D
"Picard and his lackeys would have solved all this technobabble hours ago." -- Q
;)
And ofcourse the ever so hilarious talk to Worf;
"Eaten any good books lately?" -- Q
:p
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"Please don't tell me the story of the boy who cried Worf!"
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This is the sort of thing I might have pondered with my friends when I was about eleven.
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heh a sath against a star destroyer would be a good match up. i keep telling my friend the sath would own even though a star destroyer has shields
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http://www.ditl.org/fiction/hedportalforeword.htm
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I have a way to settle this argument once and for all:
The Empire would kick the Federation's ass because the Empire and it's technology are so grossly and stupidly overpowered that it doesn't even bear thinking about.
Multi-gigaton blasts from a ****ing laser (which can fire about 5 times a second) is absolutely and completely goddamn preposterous.
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Also: Jehovah would wipe the goddamn floor with Buddah.
Jehovah = All-powerful, creator of the universe, person-to-pillar-of-salt, God of all mankind.
Buddah = Fat, bald, pacifist.
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Actually I think they'd both just sit there and drink tea while chatting about what they're gonna do with the weather. :D
A comparison I'd rather see is with the Star Fighters!
That said, you almost never see fighter craft in 'Trek so smeg knows if they're any good!
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Sci-fi ubergeeks make me weep for the species. Like the thread at Spacebattles debating on whether Alderaan had a shield or not from still captures of it being blown up. It was several pages in length!!
It makes me sad. So very very sad.
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The shield generator doesn't really blow up...it kinda falls over.
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I think the one thing we can all agree on is that regardless of how many Gigawatts every laser blast from an ISD puts out, or how many Photon torpedoes a Sovereign class starship can handle - the plexiglass windshield of Starbug would be little protection.
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Both Star Trek + Star Wars figures are a bunch of baloney anyway. What they talk about and write about is bull**** compared to what we see on the screen.
A more interesting Versus:
Shadows versus Shivans
bwahahahaha
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This is why Charles Sheffield has two definitions for futuristic fiction in his book "Borderlands of Science". Science Fiction and Science Fantasy.
Science Fiction has alot of grounded basis in reality and current theory where as Science Fantasy consists of a futuristic setting and plenty of technobabble that means nothing.
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oh, what have I unleashed? Please forgive me..........
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Honorverse = Science Fiction
Silent Running = Science Fantasy.
I always considered SciFi to be inventing an advanced world characters could interact with. While SciFantasy was basically about getting the point across. Y'know, Outer Limits kinda stuff.
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Originally posted by Flipside
hmmmm... possibly not enough to have a gravitic effect as such then, but still, not a small object to have blow up in orbit ;)
The Death Star(s) probably would have less mass than a real moon too given its material composition and overall structure (more hollow spaces).
That site should do Gungans vs. Ewoks. Or 3PO Protocol Droids vs. Tribbles.
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Picard vs. Kirk!
....oh, wait...
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Originally posted by Sandwich
Picard vs. Kirk!
....oh, wait...
didn't they make a film of that?
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i know one person that could kick all their collective asses!..
Alpha 1!! :p
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Originally posted by Cyker
That said, you almost never see fighter craft in 'Trek so smeg knows if they're any good!
Eh :wtf:
Did you not watch the Dominion War? :p Entire squadrons kick Cardassian and Dominion ass in Sacrifice of Angels. The single greatest battle in ST :D
I mean, "Galaxy wing 9-1 and 9-2 " says a whole lot. :D Hundreds of ships, wings of fighters all flying across your screen. Beams and torpedoes flying in all direction, ships burning and exploding.
;7
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they are wrong
lasers no matter how strong dosen´t penetrate the navigation shields of federation ships
the ships are immune against this form of energy
and federation can destroy a planet with a single shot using a soliton wave
or think SW vs the borg the battle lasts 1 minute than the borg adapt ---> goodby SW
in the ST universe are much more powerfull techs like tricobalt torpedos , gravimetrical charges , subspace warheads , cloaking , subspace weapons
and transwarp is much faster than SW travel
ahhhh I must get back the real world ;)
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So what remains is stupidly powerful weapons vs stupidly powerful shielding and armor... interesting... :nervous:
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Have you checked this out?
Racism in Star Trek:http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Essays/Racism.html (http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Essays/Racism.html)
Communism and Star Trek:
http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Essays/Trek-Marxism.html (http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Essays/Trek-Marxism.html)
The guys on that website have some serious issues.
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The guy is a moron, we know. :lol:
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w00t! space commies!
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Speaking of Enterprise VS Sathanas, have you folks seen these little screenshot comic short I put together nearly a year ago.?
Part 1
http://dynamic3.gamespy.com/~bridgecommander/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=13314&highlight=sathanas
Part 2
http://dynamic3.gamespy.com/~bridgecommander/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=13341
Its PIC HEAVY and its so old that some of the screenshots have been overwritten by modders.
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Star Wars Vs. Star Trek debates have been going on since both universes appeared. You don't have to look very far to know which universe I prefer. This is simply pointless, both fan sides(Star Wars & Star Trek) have their own preferences and disliles in the universe they prefer. I would love to fly with an A-wing, but I simply can't stand the Ewoks. I cannot say anything about Star Trek, I saw one or two episodes of the TV series, so all I could say is that that universe is a bit odd. The FS universe appeared strange and alien for the first sight, I simply had to get used to it. Even if I saw more about Star Trek, I would still prefer Star Wars since I know it far better and I have been grown up by that universe and the games/books based on it. The time I spent with SW confirms and immobilizes my addiction.
I don't find comparing and dissecting two different universes a good idea. No offence, really, but a debate like that is heavily flammable at HLP. It is just like opening a thread about 'Pro-choice vs. Pro-life'. I would predict a two-day lifetime for such thread.
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This thread reminds me of a comment someone said not too long ago, I think it was on another forum but it may been on HLP.
To answer the question of who would survive, in Star Trek vs Star Wars, or in Babylon 5 vs Star Trek, or whoever vs whoever.
The answer is they both would, because the two would never, ever meet. So there's no point arguing about it.
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http://dynamic4.gamespy.com/~freespace/hlp/item_show.php?itm=474
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Yup, that's the one!
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That's why they are called 'hypothetical' debates. If you can't see the point don't be such an ass and just leave.
At least thats what I would say if someone came to me with such a dumbass comment during a debate. It's like saying "Freespace isn't real so why should you care who wins the war?" :p
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It's also why they're stupid. They don't exist within the same 'universe'. so even the numbers for comparison have different meanings. Unless you create a 3rd, neutral, universe for comparison, it's completely arbitrary & pointless
EDIT; I mean, by all means aregue away. Just don;t ever expect to 'prove' yourself right to anyone other than yourself.
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They're good for getting rid of the last few litres of fuel from the flamethrower ;)
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Well, some people find it fun to jerk off to naked pictures of Ivanova and Janeway (:ick:). Thats about as unproductive as debating this.
But I think it's fun. So you better back off before I'm gonna chop off your dick and take away your jerking privelidges. :drevil:
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Originally posted by Tiara
Well, some people find it fun to jerk off to naked pictures of Ivanova and Janeway (:ick:). Thats about as unproductive as debating this.
Helps keep Tissue manufacturers in business, tho.
:nervous:
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Well, if you want to be hypothetical about it, here's my argument, adapted in part from a statement made by JMS (B5-creator).
If Star Trek and Star Wars were to meet, their weapons would fire at the strength of plot, and their hulls would resist weapons fire with the durability of plot. And ultimately, whoever had the most plot power would win the day, which would probably be the neither of them as any cross-over movie/TV series would probably result in a tie or a peaceful resolution so as to give SW+ST fans a lot of eye candy, but to not piss either of them off.