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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Grey Wolf on September 19, 2004, 11:17:39 pm
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I was in the supermarket earlier today, and saw a copy of a magazine with Star Wars on the cover (I believe it was Entertainment Weekly). Skimming the article, I found these confirmed changes:
1. Greedo still shoots first, but they altered something about what Han does. The rationale is that Lucas doesn't think of Han as a murderer or something stupid along those lines.
2. Those pictures floating around the web of the modified Yoda/Anakin/Obi-Wan scene are real, but the original actor is still found when the mask is removed a scene or two earlier.
3. The Gungans have invaded the RotJ end scene, leading to the two most annoying races in Star Wars being present within the same movie.
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Gungans and Ewoks?
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Meh, I'll stick with the original thanks, George Lucas has officially entered the land of Bollocks in my book :mad:
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more with pics
http://www.thedigitalbits.com/reviews3/starwarschanges.html
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Well, most of that stuff isn't that bad... except the Han - Greedo thing. :doubt:
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you'd think they would have seen the negative reaction to it in 1997, and then 7 years later would have jumped at the chance to finally undo the damage, but alas.
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Really...:blah:
I've always thought that Han was a tough-as-nails hardcase that will almost anything for money. The kind of guy that you expect to find in the service of a mobster like Jaba willingly.
By having Greedo fire first, Lucas takes away the foreshadow that anyone is redeemable and thus even Vader might be saved.
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It's ironic. I find myself nodding my head at Ian McDiarmid's insertion into empire, but grimacing at Haden Christianson's insertion into Jedi, even though logically, it makes sense.
The Gungans and naboo are passable I suppose, though the insertion of the Jedi temple into coruscant doesn't make a lot of sense (surely the emperor would have destroyed it?). The altering of the script on the tractor beam shouldn't have been neccesary in the first place, so that's a good thing.
Only thing I'm not sure about is Jabba. He's never looked real in that scene, and the scenes on the site seem to indicate he now looks different, but not neccesarily better. It's the sort of thing you have to see in motion.
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Wasn't most of that already put in the special edition released some years ago?
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but the original actor is still found when the mask is removed a scene or two earlier
Thanks god that they didn't but Haydens face there when Mask is removed...
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They removed his eyebrows though.
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Oh no... Not the eyebrows!!!! :eek2:
But seriously, I'm not too flustered about the changes. Most of them are cosmetic. I preffer the new jabba in this edition than in the last. However I still disagree with the whole greedo shooting first. It just doesent work. It takes away from Han's character and it just looks stupid. Gungans in ROTJ, no problem. Brings the first 3 episodes in nicely. Hayden as a ghost... Hmmm. Thats a toughie. I always like how they had some totally unknown actor who you've never seen before as Vader in the end, because then you finally put a face to the bad guy and see that he's a nice old man. But now... He comes back as a young guy. While the others are old. Dunno. I'll have to see it, and see how it feels.
Oh well, Gonna buy it. Then I'll buy the Limited über-special directors extended cut edition grand slam turkey fry platinum plated fan stomping 9 Disc major mojo Star Wars Saga collection DVD set. Which of course will have a whole slew of other changes.
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My god, Hayden Christian is an annoying-looking twat, isn't he? Just looking at that last RotJ shot makes me deeply irritated.
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I'm with you, aldo. He's the singularly worst actor I've ever seen in a movie. And why the heck would they add him into that scene? After however many years since Episode 2, he still looks exactly the same. He's supposed to look middle-aged at that point. Can't Lucas just leave well enough alone and keep the movies as they were released? I love how he's changing them to fit in with those two pieces of flying crap that he called Episodes 1 and 2; shouldn't they have fit in with the existing movies? No, thanks; I'm sticking to my VHS copy of the original theatrical version. I'll just copy it to DVD.
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Return of the Jedi;
The eyebrows of actor Sebastian Shaw have been erased in the new version.
:wtf:
:lol:
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Originally posted by Holy Imperial Gloriano
Thanks god that they didn't but Haydens face there when Mask is removed...
yeah. that wouldn't have made any sense, as he would be decades older.
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I would have no problem with the dvds. the only exception is the the changes at the celebration.
I also heard they added more ewoks to endor and more of their fluffy little asses get killed.
Their are rumors that naboo starfighters are supposed to be in episode IV.
Their is also suposedly a scene where the Senate is being disolved.
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I've been amazed and dismayed at people's reactions to the DVD releases. The guy has said over and over again that he wasn't pleased with how Episode IV came out, so he made some changes. I think they are great. Greedo, Jabba, whatever. It's fun to watch those films and pretend I'm 5 years old again.
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I just wish Episode I had taken place on Alderaan instead of making up a new planet called Naboo... then I could celebrate the death of the entire Gungan species at the hands of Tarkin in Episode IV.
And did you notice that Jedi spends more time lingering over the death of a single Ewok than over the millions of Imperial contractors killed on the Death Star? Lousy rebels...
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Originally posted by Galemp
And did you notice that Jedi spends more time lingering over the death of a single Ewok than over the millions of Imperial contractors killed on the Death Star? Lousy rebels...
http://www.whysanity.net/monos/clerks5.html
BTW if you don't recognise the reference why the f**k haven't you watched Clerks yet? :D
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Technically they were all either clones or facists.
And we all know that mass-murder is okay as long as you're doing it to those muderous facist bastards.
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Chasing Amy and Dogma have the best quotes:
Banky: Alright, now see this? This is a four-way road, OK? And dead in the center is a crisp, new, hundred dollar bill. Now, at the end of each of these streets are four people, OK? Are you following?
Holden: Yeah.
Banky: Good. Over here, we have a male-affectionate, easy to get along with, non-political agenda lesbian. Down here, we have a man-hating, angry as ****, agenda of rage, bitter dyke. Over here, we got Santa Claus, and up here the Easter Bunny. Which one is going to get to the hundred dollar bill first?
Holden: What is this supposed to prove?
Banky: No, I'm serious. This is a serious exercise. It's like an SAT question. Which one is going to get to the hundred dollar bill first? The male-friendly lesbian, the man-hating dyke, Santa Claus, or the Easter bunny?
Holden: The man-hating dyke.
Banky: Good. Why?
Holden: I don't know.
Banky: Because the other three are figments of your ****ing imagination!
Serendipity : [hugs her breasts] What, these? You should know better than anybody at this table that tits don't make the woman.
Rufus : Hell, the tubby coat-wearin' mother****er's got tits, that damn sure doesn't make him a woman.
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Some scenes would be apparent without pictures, like the Emperor talking to Vader scene onboard the SSD in the ESB.
I can see no change in some cases, mostly in the lightsaber fight screen between Obi-Wan and Vader and the saber lock between Luke and Vader in the RotJ.
Hayden Christensen replacing Sebastian Shaw is an overkill, it simply not right.
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I agree with TopAce. Putting Christensen in that final scene was totally pointless!
Okay, so I'd be a little more lenient if they'd digitally aged him thirty odd years - but he's still a twenty-something brat!
It's the same as switching Sir Alec Guinness for Ewan MacGregor in that final scene......
I mean, we know from what is shown that the 'ghost' forms of the Jedi are of them when they died, which is why Shaw should have remained in that shot.