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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Kazan on October 02, 2004, 11:42:45 am
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http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,10947382%5E13762,00.html
i caught one on the live broadcast that didn't make the list
in the debate kerry said he _wouldn't_ give othercountries a veto over our defense decisions - but Fox News said (live on the air) that he said he _would_
****ing bastards
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HA! I KNEW SOMETHING WAS GOING ON!!!
Man, that ticks me off. :mad:
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almost as funny as rushing fake documents to the air in order to
discredit the president. cough cough CBS cough cough
really funny since it is completly obvious that it is fake just by looking at it.
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*sings Merry Poppins song from the Simpsons*
...its really not that bad, everybody does it, even Mom and Dad. If nobody sees it then nobody gets maaaad, its the American waaaaay.
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I though all of Fox News was posted as a joke?
As an aside, ABCs' website apparently posted a summary of the debate before it actually happened.
(see bottom of)
http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/weblog/fake_tan_debate/
EDIT; heh (same article) - http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4052162 - suddenly makes the UK seem so much more democratic, what with PMs questions.
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well,
atleast fox news came right out and said they were wrong right away without dawdelling and clinging to hope that they were right.
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Heh heh. Silly FOX. Sometimes I worry that people think it's a real news station or something.
Y'know, something nobody mentioned is that the White House was issuing responses as the CBS thing became public. That is more than just a little suspicous.
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redmenace: if Fox News took the time to correct every error, every twist, etc they've made it would take over a year
1 mistake (CBS) vs 1million+ mistakse (Fox)
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You know, it's more of a real station than the quacks over at CNN/CBS. Right-wingers on TV? Oh, the horror! :p
Edit: Anyway, Kerry didn't need any help to look bad after that debate :p.
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You people amaze me.
Constantly.
Not in a good way.
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Mongoose: except for that fact that numerous independant studies show that Fox News reports _opinion_ not the news
on a scale of -10 to 10 , -10 being radical left, 10 being radical right
CNN/CBS are a 0/-1 (Respectively), Fox News is a 10
CNN/CBS haven't led 80% of their viewers to believe falsehoods over the iraqi war (hint: fox has)
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The media is so biased. I dont care what they say. Its all of them, not just one of them. CBS, ABC, CNN, and yes FOX. FOX isnt the only one. They all do it.
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Originally posted by vyper
You people amaze me.
Constantly.
Not in a good way.
'zackly. I mean, how can you watch Fox News and take it seriously? It's only a matter of time before they schedule the 2 minutes hate.
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the only reason why CNN comes off as "liberal biased" is because Rupert Murdoch's Propaganda Network has managed to "pull" the perception of 'center' tword the right
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yup, Kaz has it right. I also believe the same for politics (replace CNN/Fox with Dems and Republicans).
Though I think that its not really so much right-wing/left-wing when it comes to media, but rather monitor power/obey power. The role of the media is not to play along and tote the party line, and, and thats whats happeneing across the board, so if we choose to call that right-wing, for the sake of convenience, then absolutely.
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i have it right because i make a point to know such things and i know who to listen to and who not to - i know how to tell the difference between a "report" and a "Study"
rictor your assesment is mostly true - however in the case of Fox News they are indeed right wing - Rupert Murdoch (owner Fox News, Clear Channel, etc) has said, publically, on record, on numerous occasions he intended to pull the public perception of center tword the right. He has succeeded. Lenin and Stalin would have killed to have a propaganda network as effective as the one RM built.
The strength in his propaganda network is the sheep who are fooled don't even realize they're being propagandaized
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Oh I am sure that CBS pushed that to the front for sole reason that the public needed to know. RIGHT!!! I highly doubt their personal feeling didn't influence their desicions. I bet those those that called DNC and told them about this said memo were not letting their bias get the best of them. CBS have little bias. SURE!!!
I am sure their is a general enviroment of bias at CBS. Those that told them it wasn't authenticate were ignored. Just like ENRON, those that warned of the impending catastrophy were ignored. I see the same at CBS.
Also this is not the only mistake CBS has ever made either.
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Sure CBS is biased. I don't doubt it but it's a really crap excuse to try to defend the most biased new station in America by claiming that the opposition is also biased.
Try turning off both of them and watch the BBC World News on PBS for a change. I'd like to see you try making the same excuses there.
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only reason I watch cable news is that more convenient. I don't get BBC. I would probably watch that instead if I did. I am also too busy and am not near a tv when pbs new is on. Secondly I don't really think FOX News is any less biased that CBS ABC etc. I think a vast majority of cable news is biased and full of ****. Like bush and kerry, their both full of ****.
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redmanace needs to read my post
FOX News is _more_ biased than CBS ABC, etc -- CBS, ABC are moderate liberal, CNN is almost true neutral, PBS/BBC is true netural, Fox News are right wing whackos
the entire purpose of the existance of Fox News is the shift the public perception of "center" to the right - SO STATED BY THE MAN WHO OWNS SAID NETWORK
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I READ YOUR POST AND I DISAGREE WITH YOU. ALL CABLE NEWS IS FREAKIN FULL OF IT. THE SAME WITH THE PRESIDENT AND SENATOR KERRY
sorry is the previous message didn't make sense.
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Stop eet.... stop whining! Get Arnie into office! He's a cop you idiot! ;)
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I heard on the Radio Kerry put in a good performance at the debate.
And what are you so up set about ? :wtf:
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BTW apparently FOX had a record number of viewers during the debate, better than any other station.
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Originally posted by Kazan
the entire purpose of the existance of Fox News is the shift the public perception of "center" to the right - SO STATED BY THE MAN WHO OWNS SAID NETWORK
I'm still trying to figure out what Murdock has to gain from this... Is it some sort of experiment to him?
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A man who owns so many business interests? You bet the right-wing interests him.
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To what Kazan said, thats because public perception of center has shifted left.
Have I mentioned that I hate politics?
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Ace: $$$$$$$$$$$$$
Deepblue: public perception of center has shifted _right_ not left -- tyvm rupert murdoch
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erm, ABC and CBS are both not nearly where they should be in regards to journalistic integrity and fullfiling the whole purpose of the media, which is to question and discuss. Even the BBC, though far better than most, still leans a bit to that side. Look at their pre-war coverage. Although if you had tp pick one, I'de say the BBC is the best of what the mainstream western media has to offer, and interestingly enough al Jazerra started out when the BBC's Arabic division split off and formed their own media channel, which is why they have that professional style typical of western tv news.
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i agree
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The best level of journalistic integrity on television, by far, is on PBS.
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Hehe, this "right-wing wacko" loves getting a rise out of you people :p. I'm a conservative; of course I like Fox better than the other news sources.
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But Fox isn't particularly conservative, thats my point. the American right has little to do with conservativism. Where once there was a sound policy based on fiscal responsibility and small government, now there is only intolerance and warmongering. The Republicans today are spearheading the biggest, most intrusive government ever, the most militaristic, the biggest deficit, the most supportive of corporate welfare and the least tolerant in recent years of civil liberties and personal freedoms.
We assume that the right is conservative, when in fact those things aren't necessarily equal at all. Fox is run by a Republican with a republican agenda, not a conservative. Make the distinction.
If we use that definition, that all major American TV stations are conservative, in that they have blind faith in the government, in that they act like good little soldiers and not like journalists. There was a set of statistics that analyzed the media covergae before and during the war, and something like 90% of on-air guests were from the government or military.
I realize I'm being anal about this, but yeah...oh well.
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and for once: rictor is right
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ok so let me get strait what happened one fox news guy wrote a little joke, somehow it accedentaly got posted on the site, and they removed it shortly thereafter?
did it get brodcast? if so when and in what context? is there a clip?
how long was it on the site, and were?
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bobboau: what they didn't mention is i hear them on AIR "quoting" john kerry, but saying something exactly opposite of what they kerry said
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was that part of this?
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Upon a cursory examination of this thread I find myself not caring one whit.
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:wtf: :wtf:
thats...deranged.
(your avatar.)
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Why thank you. I've been getting all kinds of comments on it.
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Well, you are the [glow=pink]Divine Executor[/glow]... :rolleyes:
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Wasn't CBS the station that was going to air that Ronald Reagan mockumentary/dramatization mini-series while the man was still alive but in a decaying state? (To say he would have forgotten about the series in a short while would be just WRONG).
I believe it took much protesting to get CBS to either grow a conscience or a profound fear of loosing viewers to pass their demon child to a premium cable channel.
CBS moderate leftwing? (hate that word "WHATEVER-wing" I'd rather describe them as irresponsible.
FOX on the other hand respected Bill Clinton's medical condition and wished him well. Though "right-wing" they at least show respect and have more consideration.
I forget which network airs the "HardBall" show, but that show makes the Bill O'rielly Factor look l"ike a timid little girl" hour.
On a side note, I'm glad Michael Moore is being sued now for making up a headlines on a particular newspaper in Farenheit 911.
NOWS THERES PROPAGANDA FOR YOU
I feel sorry for the all the pitifull people who actually believe its a documentary.
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Omniscaper, check this out:
Celsius 41.11: The temperature at which the brain begins to die (http://www.citizensunited-interactive.org/c41.11/)
Fight the fat one! :p
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So, what you're saying is that the truth should be held back because it will hurt someone's feelings? Or is it just that this particular person was President, so you value them above others. I'v seen plenty of shows where various criminals are exposed, from thieves to redophiles etc, and no one objects to that.
No one is above criticism. And even by your logic, now that the man is gone, CBS should be fine and dandy to air the series.
...or are we just against dissent in general?
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he's comeing at it from a perspective that it was lies and BS to beginwith, his coments about him still being alive was just to highlight how 'evil' CBS was
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I don't know the exact details of it, but from what I do know, it wasn't anything that hasn't been publiclly known about for decades, such as Iran Contra or October Surprise. AFAIK, it was mostly the goings-on within the family and all the personal stuff, which is open to interpretetion, including a negative one.,
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But why falsely portray a family by making up negative soap opera dramatization based on what, speculation and here say, when the REAL family is in pain helplessly watching his deteriorating condition.
Everone is entitled to an opinion, but but theres a time and place for it. How would you feel if your grandfather was dying and you and your family was suffering because of it, then you turn on the TV to see actors portraying your family falsely in a purely political mockumentary.
THAT IS JUST DUSGUSTING. IT IS INHUMAN, TASTELESS, AND JUST WRONG.
And don't give me freedom of speech BS. You do not have freedom of speech without the responsibility for unecessary pain infliction. I am not saying the man after his passing is beyond critism. There are other ways to carry out your political agenda without causing collateral damage to a hurting family. Attack a man's actions and policies, don't attack his humanity by completely making up stories about his personal life.
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Originally posted by Rictor
I don't know the exact details of it, but from what I do know, it wasn't anything that hasn't been publiclly known about for decades, such as Iran Contra or October Surprise. AFAIK, it was mostly the goings-on within the family and all the personal stuff, which is open to interpretetion, including a negative one.,
The show quoted Reagan as saying "those who live in sin die in sin" about people with AIDS. There has been absolutely no proof he ever said that, or anything of the sort.
Originally posted by Omniscraper
But why falsely portray a family by making up negative soap opera dramatization based on what, speculation and here say, when the REAL family is in pain helplessly watching his deteriorating condition.
Everone is entitled to an opinion, but but theres a time and place for it. How would you feel if your grandfather was dying and you and your family was suffering because of it, then you turn on the TV to see actors portraying your family falsely in a purely political mockumentary.
THAT IS JUST DUSGUSTING. IT IS INHUMAN, TASTELESS, AND JUST WRONG.
And don't give me freedom of speech BS. You do not have freedom of speech without the responsibility for unecessary pain infliction. I am not saying the man after his passing is beyond critism. There are other ways to carry out your political agenda without causing collateral damage to a hurting family. Attack a man's actions and policies, don't attack his humanity by completely making up stories about his personal life.
I'm pretty sure the Reagan family is tough and can take it, disrespectful as it might be. Just like Iraqi families when one of our bombs causes "collateral damage."
I don't think FOX being caught red handed is anything big. All media outlets do this thing now and then. Certain people just jump on it right away and make it seem big.
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*looks around*
:nervous:
*laughs :lol: *
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Yep. And nobody mentioned that Murdoch is the AntiChrist....
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Originally posted by Vanguard
Just like Iraqi families when one of our bombs causes "collateral damage."
Thats right Vanguard. I forgot that CBS was not intentional in hurting the Reagan family. They were after killing Ronald Reagan's reputation. Thats right. Wait,..... OH YES he was already DYING at the time. I guess they felt they were protecting saving the lives of CBS employees by making such an attack in a time of media warfare. Oh well. Words don't hurt anyway, yes?
I thought the topic was about political tactlessness and stratedgies.
DON"T F#@$%KIN TWIST MY WORDS AND IMPLY BS. Iraq has nothing to do with my statement.
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omniscraper: whaaaa! whaaa! you don't believe their claims so you're going to _presume_ they're false so you can demonize them
whaaa
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...I thought this thread was about how 'Fux' was screwing around with Kerrys Quotes...bastards...stick with CNN for news and Fox for primetime entertainment...
(Edit: Post 800 baby! :thepimp: )
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So did I
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(http://home.neb.rr.com/rph/fox.news.civil.rights.jpg)
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:lol: :lol:
Thats so cool.
All right guys, can;t we just agree that all media is biased, and settle down to some good ol' fashioned character assasinations of the various TV personalities?
I'll take Rush Limbaugh, he's an easy one.
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Rush assasinates his own character, he doesn't need any help from us
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Originally posted by Clave
Yep. And nobody mentioned that Murdoch is the AntiChrist....
I was suprised no one else has picked up on this.
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How about we watch Cartoons instead? I am all for that. :lol:
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Originally posted by Omniscaper
Thats right Vanguard. I forgot that CBS was not intentional in hurting the Reagan family. They were after killing Ronald Reagan's reputation. Thats right. Wait,..... OH YES he was already DYING at the time. I guess they felt they were protecting saving the lives of CBS employees by making such an attack in a time of media warfare. Oh well. Words don't hurt anyway, yes?
I thought the topic was about political tactlessness and stratedgies.
DON"T F#@$%KIN TWIST MY WORDS AND IMPLY BS. Iraq has nothing to do with my statement.
I said that because I found it curious and even a little amusing that a cancelled, fictional show could cause so much grief and angst in light of events happening in what I usually call The Real World. No twisting of your words was needed to imply BS. You did all the work for me. Different pokes for different folks, I guess. Carry on. :)
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Double post. Carry on. :)
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FAIR AND BALANCED
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Originally posted by Janos
FAIR AND BALANCED
are you climaing that they are? or are you showing irony?
that claim on their part is one of the biggest pieces of unprosecuted false advertising i've ever seen
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Originally posted by Kazan
are you climaing that they are? or are you showing irony?
that claim on their part is one of the biggest pieces of unprosecuted false advertising i've ever seen
KAZAN ADVOCATES TERRORISM; WILL SURRENDER TO FRANCE SURRENDER SURRENDER [KERRY IS A TRAITOR]
developing...
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I can't tell if Janos is trying to be funny, or is being a jackass
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I think he's drunk actually.
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it's sarcasm
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sometimes it's hard to tell bob :P i don't know him well enough to be sure
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Or evil. I flame when i'm evil.
Pickle?
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Originally posted by Janos
KAZAN ADVOCATES TERRORISM; WILL SURRENDER TO FRANCE SURRENDER SURRENDER [KERRY IS A TRAITOR]
developing...
drudge report ;) ;)
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But in the end this was just a mistake and was not intended to be published on the site. TRUE, they ought to be proffesionals and not goof around. I do highly doubt, you would find this sort of mistake on CNN, which as far as I know are competent proffesionals
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Anyone remember when Fox News sued Al Franken for including the phrase "Fair and Balanced" in the title of a book?
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yeah that was stupid no matter what you think about them
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Originally posted by Ford Prefect
(http://home.neb.rr.com/rph/fox.news.civil.rights.jpg)
Um "BFD"?
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Burmingham Fire Department, perhaps?
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That's what I was thinking.
Birmingham I think.
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Yeah, just because I've got a diploma doesn't mean I know how to spell :p Oh well, chalk another one up for Americans Without Geography.