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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Kazan on November 02, 2004, 03:07:35 pm
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Early exit polling shows kerry sweeping all the big swing states
GET OUT THERE AND VOTE NO MATTER WHO YOU SUPPORT
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Damn right!
Think this is a good sign, the forum coming back, and kerry doing good?
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My plan was to get a quick breakfast after work, then find the polling site and fight a long line... I got home from work, got food ate, then passed out!!! I found the place around 1pm. It was just a fewf elderly people. I guess I live in a good spot cause it's more saburban than downtown Lancaster (all the crowded conditions there would SUCK for lines...)
Did you hear about teh guy here in PA? he went to 2 polling sites and threw powder on the floor shutting them down for health concerns. bastard got away so far, turns out it was salt... Imagine all these people trying to vote and can't for HOURS...
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probably the same guy from NJ
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Already voted last week via absentee ballot.
There's no way in hell I was going to try and get across Atlanta if I had any alternative whatsoever... no way I could do it without cutting class, either.
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i would love to vote but i accidently mailed my voters registration like after the deadline so i guess i'll have to wait another 4yrs.
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I can't vote yet, since i'm only 17...
Damn... Stupid forum was down on my birthday... Plus many others...
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Unfortunately, I'm about 6 months too young. Of course, I live in New York, so it's not like it really matters anyway.
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neo_hermes: go provisional
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dont vote, it only encourages them!
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And not voting is going to get them out of office how?
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Turns out my residency was screwed up, and I can't vote... :(
I would have voted Nader anyway... but still. This would have been my first presidential election. :(
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no doubt it wont take long for someone to post how obviously corrupt the system is (everyone waits for the enevitable post by Riktor-even though most of us agree).
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Rictor, or Tiara...
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Just don't vote if you like Bush. Please.
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I can't vote, but I know who my family's gonna vote for. A hint: Mine's a military family :(
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Well, I voted for John Kerry. Made damn sure of that. :)
I even checked my ballot to make sure it didn't have any hanging chads. :D
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Polls are now closed in Indiana and Kentucky.
Initial results:
Bush: 14,726
Kerry: 11,373
No word yet on electoral votes.
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i really hope alaska's #2 passes
weed is from the earf!
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Exit polling is a farce. It's a tool by the party that is winning wins faster because when they call the election based on Exit Polls it gives a false sense of confidence or failure depending on your side.
Off topic, I'm praying Ammendment #2 for Alabama's constitution doesn't pass. It has a lot of political speak about how it's going to repeal other sections of the constitution that have racist content to confuse the masses to vote for and give State Judges the ability to pass taxes by judicial fiat instead of having to pass through the congress or voters.
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we should hook up on msn so we can btch boo and cheer in real time:)
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Even as a child I never liked the point of electoral votes. If there are 32 million people in state then that is 32 million votes PERIOD!, if this makes some states unbalanced , well, so does electoral votes so that point is moot.
My idea, we all vote in our state, winner gets the state as 1 vote (ie PA my state).. In the event one candidate gets 25 states and the other guys gets same it's a tie and House of Representatives breaks it, just like with electoral. BTW WE the people did not create or vote on the electoral college, that was done by congress no?
make every citizen's vote count, abolish the electoral college! (now figure out how this would effect all future presidential elections)
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What! It's not a poll thread! For shame!
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Enjoy zee poll.
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Seriously, Kerry's winning? Interesting. After Howard won over here, I had almost lost all hope that we'd have some fresh idiocy in the world. :nervous:
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I am disappointed this party (http://www.omrlp.com/) doesn't exist in the US... :)
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vote vote vote vote!!
lol
go.. somebody!!
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Looks like Bush is whippin up on Kerry in the electorial vote.
102 Bush
77 Kerry
Basic population vote count so far:
Bush - 5,000,000
Kerry - 3,000,000
EDIT: New Stats:
156 Bush
112 Kerry
Bush - 9,000,000
Kerry - 7,000,000
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That contrasts with the current NYT count:
Bush
9,155,515 (54.4%)
34
Kerry
7,564,528 (44.9%)
3
Seems Kerry has a resounding lead in PA, but is trailing slightly in OH and FL.
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I voted as I said I would, Michael Badnarik.
I hear Barack Obama won the next four elections. :)
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Incidentally, Bobboau, that's who I would have voted for had I been six months older. Mind you, if I was in a swing state, I probably would have voted for Kerry, just to try to make sure Bush did not get reelected.
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would one of the admins add Badnarik, remove one vote from 'other' and add it to him
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I couldn't vote for either canidate in my state and didn't know enough about any of the 3rd party canidates. So I did one of the hardest things I have ever done. I put the word none on the screen.
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as of right now it looks like Bush has a narrow, but signifigant lead. though this is only 17% of the votes reported.
my state is going somewere around 72% for Kerry
(source cnn.com (http://edition.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/))
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The New York Times now has Kerry ahead:
Kerry
12,097,584 (46.3%)
56
Connecticutt, D.C., Massachusetts, New York, Vermont
Bush
13,853,319 (53.0%)
47
Georgia, Indiana, Kentucky, Virginia
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NYT is only putting up more or less confirmed wins. CNN is projecting a bit more. They've got Bush up 171 to 112 right now...
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176 to 112.
KERRY SUXORS!
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I don't think we should use the electoral results untill the numbers reported gets above 50%
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well we all know calli-fournya is going to kerry and thats 55 so in reality its 176 to 167
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watch Bush win.
don't say i didn't call it :p
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Rawr. Thumbs up for my Swooh hoster!
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looks like my vote got counted (http://us.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/IL/P/00/county.003.html#17163)
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Florida is key and aparently there are problems with the voting machines in a 2:1 bush district.
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Kerry looks like he's got Pennsylvania
Ohio has a slight Bush leaning but it's a bit flaky (44% reporting)
Minnesota is leaning to Kerry but only 11%
Iowa is pointed to Kerry, but it's hardly got any votes counted (8%)
Wisconson has a somewhat decent lead for Bush, but a mere 17% reporting
Florida (dun dun dun!) seems to be going to Bush the lead is small (52 to 47 (oh darn that nader and his 1%!!!)) but 88% of the votes have been counted
New Hampshire, holy ****, 160,948 Kerry - 160,707 Bush - 2,148 Nader. 51% reporting
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[color=66ff00]He rapes your economy, sells your country's production industry out to asia and starts a war for profit and still america tries to reinstate GWB. :lol:
I feel sick.
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well aparently we see things diferently
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Originally posted by Bobboau
looks like my vote got counted (http://us.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/IL/P/00/county.003.html#17163)
Heh, looks like you were one of the 10 votes. Thats awesome.
Anyway.....GO BUSH, GO BUSH, GO BUSH!
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I'm in St. Clair
and many of you will be pleased to know that Bush is down to 51%
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Bush-197
Kerry-188
according to CNN
BTW I voted for Bush
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/americas/04/vote_usa/map/html/default.stm
BBC has a pretty good map that updates realtime.
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Originally posted by MatthewPapa
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/americas/04/vote_usa/map/html/default.stm
BBC has a pretty good map that updates realtime.
lol heavy network traffic
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Originally posted by Maeglamor
[color=66ff00]He rapes your economy[/color]
I must disagree. Our economy went into a recession before he even got into office because Clinton rode Regan and Bush's economy like a prostitute in a back alley, until it sank into the ground. Economy is doin pretty good, considering we were about to go down the pot hole that Jimmy Carter had dug one time...
Thank god for Regan!
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cnn repoting florida may go bush
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ohio and particularly cleveland will determine the election. However, New Mexico, NH and a few others could change. The provincial ballets and over seas ballots. However, with the war in Iraq, military ballots, I should say soldiers, might vote for someone other than bush.
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bush now has 246 to kerrys 188
if he gets florida thats what another 22???
that puts him in win position I Think
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Ok, judging from current information, if Kerry loses Ohio, the he has to win every other state in the open right now. If he does win Ohio, then its very likely it will be a lose the popular/win the electoral for Kerry.
EDIT-That 246 includes Florida Damocles
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Ohio I THINK, from my analysis of the districts might in fact go to bush. my honest non partisan opinion
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Ah okay,
Last I heard on cnn they are reporting they have heard ohio may go bush, unconfirmed yet.
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Ok, 86% of precincts in Ohio reporting, and Bush still leads by 100,000 votes.
'Tis over.
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Federal courts open at 8am :D
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wow
to be honest I thought kerry would WALK on bush, with all the anti bush stuff cnn kept showing me(i live in canada) this is a major suprise to me
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The Social Issues motivated the christian right and social conservatives. I KNOW, someone is going to say they are evil bigots... insert normal rant from liberals. But whatever. This is why the election has gone this way.
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Looks like this one goes to Bush. Too bad. Seems like his terror tactics have gotten to the American people, all right.
"Vote Bush or Die!"
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did i call that or what
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I wouldn't put that simply.
cuyahoga, thumbull, mahoning, lucas and athens as well as the provincial ballets could change the election. WE DON'T KNOW.
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I have to admit.... its gonna be an interesting 4 years
I can just see bush plotting to destroy all the countires that wanted him out lol
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It might not be this easy, bush is only ahead by a 160,000 votes so it could still go kerry when you count the prov ballots
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mappy (http://factfinder.census.gov/servlet/ThematicMapFramesetServlet?_bm=y&-tree_id=400&-_MapEvent=zoom&-errMsg=&-_dBy=050&-redoLog=false&-_zoomLevel=8&-tm_name=DEC_2000_SF1_U_M00090&-tm_config=|b=50|l=en|t=4001|zf=0.0|ms=thm_def|dw=2.664039843845868|dh=1.536698790826533|dt=gov.census.aff.domain.map.EnglishMapExtent|if=gif|cx=-82.66958249999999|cy=40.190285|zl=7|pz=7|bo=|bl=|ft=350:349:335:389:388:332:331|fl=381:403:204:380:369:379:368|g=04000US39|ds=DEC_2000_SF1_U|sb=50|tud=false|db=050|mn=31|mx=3040|cc=1|cm=1|cn=5|cb=|um=Persons/Sq%20Mile|pr=0|th=DEC_2000_SF1_U_M00090&-PANEL_ID=tm_result&-_pageY=&-_lang=en&-geo_id=04000US39&-_pageX=&-_mapY=&-_mapX=&-_latitude=&-_pan=&-ds_name=DEC_2000_SF1_U&-_longitude=&-_changeMap=ZoomIn)
Use this pop density map in conjunction with cnn really nice county by county map. It will give you a good idea.
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they have CHADS. OH NO.
However, they have legal standards of what is a vote.
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arg, hurry up ohio damnit.... I want to goto bed lol
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I have came from the future to report that Bush won the 2004 election.
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I told kazan last night when he started this thread. I warned him about projections. But at the same time. Shrike I would be careful in that joke. although it is a joke so lol. your avatar still cracks me up.
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damn, we lost the weed vote ~72,000 to 100,000. we need more librals here. so much for my hash bar plans. maybey next election :D
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WARNING: THE RACE CANNOT BE CALLED - THE PROVISIONAL BALLOT IS IN PLAY IN OHIO
that means 11 day wait
(in iowa too)
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Why do you think I came from the future to tell you Bush won? Phhbt. :p
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well pundits are saying that a VAST majority would have to be kerry ballots. we are talking about 185,000(74%) votes. someone please check my logic and math.
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ok Michigan and Minnisota are solid Kerry states, Wisconsin is weakly in Kerry's favor.
Iowa and Ohio are weakly in Bush's favor, but mostly counted so are most likely not going to change (but could)
Nevada looks like it could go either way
it all comes down to Ohio, and it all comes down to the provisional ballots.
this isn't going to be over for another week and a half
and interesting yet ultimately irrelevent sidenote: Bush wins the popular vote by a 3% margin.
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yes, no more BS about a mandate. I always hated that argument.
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that ohio margen is going towards bush also, so kerry is really looking hard up on it
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249 to 238!
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Provisionals in Ohio mean nothing, unless Kerry decides to whine about them. This puts Bush just one vote away, which should easily be won in one of the contested states, thereby giving Bush the election.
Edit: I originally said that Hawaii was projected for Bush as well; it is actually being projected for Kerry, at least by NBC.
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Hmm could be, I'm to tired to stay up anymore, gonna crash and see what the morning brings...
he now has 140,000 margin in ohio
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larry king is getting pretty tired
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My ass is pretty tired.
I hate election day.
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I hate the people on the ballot.
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This election made baby jesus cry.
It also made my sleep pattern **** up thanks to BBC 24.
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Welcome to recount 2004. :D
I do hope this does not go to the supreme court since renquist is sick.
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Bush 254
Kerry 252
Whoever wins Ohio wins the election, and though Kerry has a chance, its not a very good one, with 99% of ballots counted and Bush with a significant lead.
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Are you serious? Man, that is really really close. Didn't expect it to come down to the line like that at all.
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most of us did
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Why are some place reporting 269-238?
Even if its taken as a given that Bush won Ohio, that would give him 274, not 269. New Mexico and Iowa are 12 put together, which would be 266.
Where is this 269 number coming from?
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what states do you still think are contested?
New Mexico, Nevada, Iowa are all going to Bush
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1.6 million votes still haven't been counted in florida (OFFICIAL NUMBERS)
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I find it funny how Fox called Florida and Ohio for Bush before anyone else in the US... and before the proper exit polls.
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FYI, a good majority of the provisional ballots turn up being invalid. I dont think there is much for Kerry there.
I dont think many states in the south do provisional voting though...
Wow, the results of the HLP poll surprised me. I thought Bush was gonna get blown out by Kerry. Guess there arent as many Bush haters here as I originally thought.....
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Originally posted by vyper
I find it funny how Fox called Florida and Ohio for Bush before anyone else in the US... and before the proper exit polls.
NBC called them before Fox.
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BBC lied to me then.
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Anyone else notice that the entire exit polling system really screwed up this year? So much for an easy Kerry win, eh, Dems? :p
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Looks like he wasnt so bad a president after all!
Tell you what.
If Bush invades 2 more countries, I'll buy you all a drink, k?
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Exit polling was also unreliable last year. They were exactly wrong in almost everything they predicted.
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Originally posted by .::Tin Can::.
Looks like he wasnt so bad a president after all!
Tell you what.
If Bush invades 2 more countries, I'll buy you all a drink, k?
bosch beer right?
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jsut because people like him doesn't make him a bad president
it just means they don't know better
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Kerry lost. Bush won fair and square this time. Nothing to contest.
End of story.
Bush voters are not brainwashed.
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http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=694&u=/ap/20041103/ap_on_el_pr/eln_tv_exit_polls_1&printer=1
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Originally posted by MatthewPapa
Bush voters are not brainwashed.
no - just proven (over and over and over again) that you don't actually know a damn thing about the issues
you think things like
*"There were WMD in Iraq when we invaded" (Proven False by the Duelfer Report)
*"There was a Link between Osama and Saddam" (Proven False by The Duelfer Report)
*"Terrorists hate our freedom" (They hate us for our foreign policy)
*"The world is safer today" (Every intellegience agency on the planet - even our own - says the opposite)
and so on and so forth
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Whatever.
I am not going to try and convince you otherwise, Kaz.
Obviously the results must be very upsetting to you.
However, dont brand Bush voters ignorant pigs because theyre not.
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So what reason is there to vote for him? I'm assuming you're not a rich industrialist with ties to the military-industrial complex, right?
Seriously, I genuinely am interested to know, why do you support him?
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Here are just a few reasons.
Bush holds my opinion in these matters.
Same sex marriage
Issues like prayer in the schools or abortion
stem-cell research/cloning
Strong commader in chief who sends clear message to enemies
Tax Breaks
What he has done for the economy (yes, he has improved it believe it or not)
National Security
Just to name a few.
Dont criticize me, you asked and I told you. You cant change my mind, just like I probably couldnt change yours.
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I'm not trying to change your mind, I'm trying to understand it.
Alright, would you mind elaborating on national security (foreign policy, war on terrorism, all that stuff) and tax breaks (since they don't really do anything for you, if you're just an average joe)
On issues like same-sex marriage and religion, OK fine, you have your beliefs and they don't have to be logical, but foreign policy is at least to some degree based on logic. And your opinions just seem to be...hmmm, well reasonable.
For example, could you explain why you think that the best way to fight terrorism is thorugh force, and not through taking away their support base, which exists because of specific policies? You surely realize that for every one you kill, two more will take their place, because the more you fight them the more they will reists, and trust me, there's more of them than you can kill.
What I'm trying to do is understand the mind of Americans, and specifically Bush supporters, cause I just can't imagine why someone would vote for tha guy.
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Originally posted by MatthewPapa
Here are just a few reasons.
Bush holds my opinion in these matters.
Originally posted by MatthewPapa
Same sex marriage
Violation of the US Constitution -- Shuving your religion down everyone else's throats
YOU FASCIST
Originally posted by MatthewPapa
Issues like prayer in the schools
Protection of YOUR RIGHTS along with EVERYONE ELSES
A child may pray in school (so long as they're not being disruptive -- ie being loud)
A teacher may not lead a prayer - because they're acting as a representative of the US government.
This is protecting your rights jackass
Anyone who tells you "Some kid was harassed by the teachers for praying in school" is full of **** - hasn't happened, never will happen.
Originally posted by MatthewPapa
or abortion
Violation of the US Constitution to ban abortion
Shuving your religion down other peoples throats
YOU FASCIST
Originally posted by MatthewPapa
stem-cell research/cloning
Shuving your religion down other peoples throats
YOU FASCIST
Originally posted by MatthewPapa
Strong commader in chief who sends clear message to enemies
His clear message: We're inept!
He doesn't know how to fight a war worth a **** - there are MORE terrorists now than there were four years ago
Originally posted by MatthewPapa
Tax Breaks
60%+ of which go to 1% of the population
Worst economy in recent history
Highest government deficits in history (singlehanded did more deficit spending then EVERY previous president COMBINED)
Oh - and tax cuts for companies that send jobs overseas
Originally posted by MatthewPapa
What he has done for the economy (yes, he has improved it believe it or not)
Bull**** - he has HARMED the economy
Originally posted by MatthewPapa
National Security
Like how he wants to leave the borders insecure, how he doesn't want to check all incoming cargo freight - how he has the worst security record in history
Originally posted by MatthewPapa
Dont criticize me, you asked and I told you. You cant change my mind, just like I probably couldnt change yours.
I'll criticize you all you want for your soemtimes naive and OFTEN FASCIST positions
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cool it Kaz. This is not the way to have a dialog. I'm interested in why he think the way he does and so should you. You think you're going to change people's mind by callingn them fascists, in all caps no less?
Even if you disagree with him: know thy enemy.
I understand where you're coming from, though I do not agree 100%, but I can't comprehend his position, which is why I want him to explain.
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Holy crap, I am now a facist! :eek2:
Thats news to me. :confused:
Thanks Rictor for helping Kaz from crapping a brick onto me. I am through with this thread.
If anyone really wants to know my reasons you can PM me and I will get back to you on it. As for this public stuff, its getting nowhere.
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well, the general though not entierly historicly acurate deffinition of the word facist is a right wing authoritarian.
so if you believe that a right wing beilife (or system of beliefes) should be imposed on a population of potentualy unwilling people you are a facist.
so is it the government's job to ensure that the population adheres to a conservitive standard?
or lets say the exact same thing useing amseing new speak
so is it the governments job to ensure the protection of traditional values?
are you in favor of denying someone the right to persue a life of happiness? what about if they are gay?