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Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Grimloq on November 02, 2004, 05:47:40 pm
i made a new hecate thingey in my free time

BTW, the antennae have been removed in recent works.


BEFORE:
(http://waycoolpages.com/originorder/hecate1.jpg)



AFTER:
(http://waycoolpages.com/originorder/newhecate.jpg)

mwahahaha!!! :) enjoy!
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Jetmech Jr. on November 02, 2004, 05:55:52 pm
O.K. Thats a noticeable improvement over what I saw at Sectorgame. :yes2:
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Moonsword on November 02, 2004, 06:10:13 pm
*jaw drops*

*begs for release*
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Galemp on November 02, 2004, 06:33:27 pm
Can you do smooth shading on that? It looks a little weird right now... but if mine eyes do not decieve me, :eek2:
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: GoulMeister on November 02, 2004, 06:37:40 pm
how many polys we lookin at
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Liberator on November 02, 2004, 06:38:33 pm
Oh my yes!
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Admiral Nelson on November 02, 2004, 07:11:53 pm
Would you consider moving the after dorsal turret onto a structure abaft the superstructure? That always seemed to be a singularly useless location for a turret.

It looks beautiful... I hope Lightspeed/ Da Brain can provide nice new textures! :)
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Blitzerland on November 02, 2004, 07:31:11 pm
Coolio. :yes:
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Anaz on November 02, 2004, 08:01:43 pm
very purdy. One thing tho, the turrets now look horrifically bland after you updated the rest of the ship, and they could probably use a bit of an overhaul as well.
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Lightspeed on November 02, 2004, 08:03:41 pm
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Originally posted by Admiral Nelson
It looks beautiful... I hope Lightspeed/ Da Brain can provide nice new textures! :)


For that to happen, he will have to...... RELEASE IT.

mwuahahahaha.

I really can't await this one :)
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Bobboau on November 02, 2004, 08:57:56 pm
overall I'd say it's an improvement, but I think you should ad some small changes along the long flat edges, like on the flat armor 'wings' on the back, and the armor pannels on the front.
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Liberator on November 02, 2004, 09:05:19 pm
They look infinitely better than the 5 poly hulks that were there before.  The barrels are however too narrow, granted they're all flak guns but still.
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Lightspeed on November 02, 2004, 09:07:12 pm
It's perrrrfffeeccttt :)
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Bobboau on November 02, 2004, 09:07:47 pm
yes they are an improvement, but I think it could be better
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: deep_eyes on November 02, 2004, 09:09:14 pm
i got textures for that baby if u like?!

i would suggest u make the two tower like endings looking like control towers, INTO one....
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Sigma957 on November 02, 2004, 10:23:53 pm
Lookin veeeerrrrrryyyy nice. :yes:
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Singh on November 02, 2004, 10:36:07 pm
I saw it at SG. It is SWEET.
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Knight Templar on November 02, 2004, 11:16:57 pm
It gets KT's fingering of approval. :yes::yes:
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Raptor on November 04, 2004, 10:05:03 am
Ouch, a guy drops out for a while, and this is what he find when he returns:eek2:

Keep it up, everyone!:yes:
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Unknown Target on November 04, 2004, 10:13:05 am
The front and fins (especially the tops of the forward fins, look how they're pinched in the center). Look wierd, but otherwise, it's really good :)
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: JR2000Z on November 04, 2004, 01:09:15 pm
I love it! And that's saying a lot since I think that the Hectate is one of the most poorly designed ship in the game. :nod:

The only thing is the 'atennas'. They do look nice though that may be changing too much. :doubt:
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: wolfdog on November 04, 2004, 02:52:23 pm
Quote
BTW, the antennae have been removed in recent works.
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Cabbie on November 04, 2004, 04:27:46 pm
Great job! Beautiful!
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: TrashMan on November 04, 2004, 05:15:23 pm
Great job!
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Rictor on November 04, 2004, 05:18:04 pm
awesome
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Black Wolf on November 04, 2004, 09:42:18 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Raptor
Ouch, a guy drops out for a while, and this is what he find when he returns:eek2:

Keep it up, everyone!:yes:


Aha! I knew he couldn't hide for long!

Err, while we're on the HTL subject, what's the Aeolus' status? And, err, the triton turrets?
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: freespace2pilot on November 05, 2004, 12:38:22 am
really really really (etc.) good
r u gonna redo the map 4 it? the old one would look out of place.
EDIT: it must be good - praise from moonsword?!?! now my jaw drops
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Raptor on November 06, 2004, 08:25:51 am
Quote
Originally posted by Black Wolf


Aha! I knew he couldn't hide for long!

Err, while we're on the HTL subject, what's the Aeolus' status? And, err, the triton turrets?



I wasn't hiding. I was temporarily disconnected. :o

Aeolus: Well, I released the hull mesh I created for someone with better UVing and texturing skills to work on, as I'm not too hot on those areas...:nervous:
I might attack it at some point, maybe...

Trition Turrets: I've got a zip file ready to upload/send to VA, but Angelfire(tm) is not uploading it.  I need a new webshell thingy for my zip files:sigh:
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Col. Fishguts on November 06, 2004, 08:27:51 am
Piccies! We demand more piccies!
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Black Wolf on November 06, 2004, 11:07:21 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Raptor




Aeolus: Well, I released the hull mesh I created for someone with better UVing and texturing skills to work on, as I'm not too hot on those areas...:nervous:
 


Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...so you did...so you did indeed...

*Thinks*
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: KARMA on November 07, 2004, 04:10:14 am
while the final result looks surely pretty nice, I subscribe what Bob said + I have to say that it looks a bit too terran with all those hard edges. I mean, shouldn't be a terran/vasudan design?
Well, probably it's just that I'd have done it a bit different (actually I'd have liked to do so if I had time:p), nice work nonetheless:)
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Jetmech Jr. on November 07, 2004, 10:06:39 am
I'm Pretty sure it was just a Terran ship...
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Flaser on November 07, 2004, 10:48:19 am
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Originally posted by Jetmech Jr.
I'm Pretty sure it was just a Terran ship...


Excuse me, dear sir, but AFAIK that is quite wrong.
It was to be the pinaccle of shipbuilding and had quite a lot of vas. tech in it - as all Capella era ships do-but it was also supposed to unit the best aspects of both design philosophies.
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Taristin on November 07, 2004, 11:15:37 am
Yeah, it's supposed to be TV-hybrid...
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Kie99 on November 07, 2004, 12:53:46 pm
O.k. I love most of the ship but the back wings look horrible, they just don't need to be changed. Good work though.
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Jetmech Jr. on November 07, 2004, 01:07:02 pm
My bad, then.
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: c914 on November 07, 2004, 02:45:45 pm
Ship is very good but i don't like engiens pod..they need something,  you could try replace those 3 boxes to smoething smother :doubt:
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Bobboau on November 08, 2004, 12:59:03 am
you do need to work on your greebleing techniqe, don't just extrude exsisting polys cut exsisting polies into parts that obscure them.
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Liberator on November 08, 2004, 01:07:21 am
Yes...well...umm...my modeling technique is poor.  Frankly, I suck.  I get the same kinda scared around MAX, Lightwave, and Maya like I get around advanced math, full-on adrenal fight/flight reflex.  My mind shuts down and I can't make sense out of it.  I can't help it, I'm a gigantic coward.
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Black Wolf on November 08, 2004, 01:08:47 am
Quote
Originally posted by Bobboau
you do need to work on your greebleing techniqe, don't just extrude exsisting polys cut exsisting polies into parts that obscure them.


Yeah, sure. It's easy to criticize, but I don't see you making any high poly ships.

 :p
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: NGTM-1R on November 08, 2004, 01:39:06 am
Have you missed the Orion?
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Black Wolf on November 08, 2004, 01:51:02 am
:blah:



Yes.

Yes I did. I missed the Deimos to. And the Herc.
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Bobboau on November 08, 2004, 08:28:52 am
I have a sneaking specision that he's being sarcastic
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: KARMA on November 08, 2004, 12:05:32 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Black Wolf
:blah:



Yes.

Yes I did. I missed the Deimos to. And the Herc.


oh, but you haven't missed so much, since they suck :p:p:p
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Liberator on November 08, 2004, 12:37:51 pm
The Herc I'll agree with, but the Deimos was cool.
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Grimloq on November 11, 2004, 07:21:13 pm
diemos = cool

orion = cool

herc = cool, but too hard to tell the difference between HTL and non-HTL

hecate = crap, but im not giving up yet.

 :p
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Lightspeed on November 12, 2004, 09:05:18 am
Deimos = Pretty cool.
Orion = unfinished (hint hint)
Herc = Cool, could use a tiny bit UVmap tweaking.

As for the Hecate...... relleeaaassssseeee it.

Seriously, I like it very much, I do.
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: pyro-manic on November 12, 2004, 11:18:22 am
Needs some more tweaking IMO - some bits are slightly too angular, and the turrets are 'orrible, but it's very promising overall. Excellent work - keep it up! :nod:
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Grimloq on November 14, 2004, 08:28:35 pm
actually, im gonna hit it hard again, methinks. i was messin around onetime, and i remembered some CBanim of a hecate flyby, but i mixed it with some other ship (one of mine) in my brain, and this really awesome hecate just popped up :p twas hilarious,  but awesome.

oh, and i need to vasudan-ize it a bit, too. sry, i thought it was pure terran at first :|
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: deep_eyes on November 16, 2004, 07:55:28 pm
grim, get this model of yours into a POF file,  I WILL PROVIDE TEXTURES FOR FREE!
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: karajorma on November 17, 2004, 11:01:45 am
Are we talking about those cool textures you made for the hecate and Colossus? Cause if so, this I want to see! :D
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Grimloq on November 18, 2004, 03:20:08 pm
hmm.... i got me an idea earlier today. the  'wings' look like theyre just attached by a string, so ill add a 'dial' thing that implys that they can be moved, maybe for solar collecting or something (they wont ACTUALLY move) and some 'braces' that make the engine pods look cooler. once i finish my work ill get on it!
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: TrashMan on November 18, 2004, 04:29:10 pm
I wouldn't recomed that.
Better you add some part that makes wings look stronger attached...
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Grimloq on November 18, 2004, 06:26:09 pm
lol, didnt even wait till i showed yo uit :p

the 'dials' arent 'dials' theyre hard to explain, so ill save space and put 1000 words into a pucture ;)
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Beowulf on November 18, 2004, 11:25:10 pm
I don't get it. You haven't kept the figure of the hectate, just sunk and beveled a few surfaces.

Loose the big empty areas would be a start.
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Grimloq on November 19, 2004, 12:53:45 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Beowulf
I don't get it. You haven't kept the figure of the hectate, just sunk and beveled a few surfaces.


wha..? what does that mean, please dumb down...

what dont you get? :nervous:
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Lightspeed on November 21, 2004, 07:39:13 am
Release it already! :doubt:
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Grimloq on November 21, 2004, 10:33:29 pm
:|


really bad news, the file is screwed over :shaking:

:nervous:

:(

i can salvage some of the details i think, but the main body and anything on it is gone. ill try...:sigh:
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Rictor on November 21, 2004, 10:41:07 pm
KHAAAAAAN!!
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Post by: Bobboau on November 21, 2004, 11:01:35 pm
well then I guess that leaves the feild open for other people to take a crack at it then...
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Taristin on November 21, 2004, 11:12:06 pm
In all fairness, nothing was stopping anyone in the first place...
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: FireCrack on November 21, 2004, 11:27:36 pm
^except for knowledge that everyone would bee to busy with this model to consider theirs

(unless you're bob) ;) ;)
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Ulala on November 22, 2004, 12:10:25 am
I really, really like the antenna point thing in the front, like the part was manufactured similar to the Colossus. I'm curious to see it textured. :)
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: KARMA on November 22, 2004, 04:06:44 am
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Originally posted by Bobboau
well then I guess that leaves the feild open for other people to take a crack at it then...

or, once you finish the orion, you could start the colossus instead, which deserve much more attention than the hecate IMO
[trying to drive bob's attention away  :drevil: :drevil: ]
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: KARMA on November 22, 2004, 04:06:59 am
Quote
Originally posted by Bobboau
well then I guess that leaves the feild open for other people to take a crack at it then...

or, once you finish the orion, you could start the colossus instead, which deserve much more attention than the hecate IMO
[trying to drive bob's attention away  :drevil: :drevil: ]
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Thrilla on November 22, 2004, 07:24:03 am
I really like this one.  I can't wait to for the release on this, because this one is definately something I want to see how I can retexture it.  I hate texture tiles that FS2 has, but when I bought the game those many years ago they were the baddest thing on the block.  I think it is time to update it a little.
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Lightspeed on November 22, 2004, 11:22:53 am
SEE... IT'S ALL YOUR FAULT FOR NOT RELEASING IT!!11111oenoneoneone

*cough cough*

listen to shivans... they know why and when they're saying things
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Grimloq on November 22, 2004, 08:24:48 pm
i probably have a backup, just i usually put them in subsubsubsubsub directories and give them cryptic names... but ill look for it :p
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Bobboau on November 22, 2004, 10:14:59 pm
this is one of the reasons why I make ppublic progress releses of all my models after they have reached a certan amount of progress
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Grimloq on November 22, 2004, 10:49:20 pm
-this is one of the reasons i keep lotsa backups :) i rarly lose data forever.
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Eviscerator on November 23, 2004, 01:04:06 am
This is one of the reasons I lurk and watch everyone else model. :p
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Lightspeed on November 23, 2004, 06:34:09 am
Quote
Originally posted by Grimloq
i probably have a backup, just i usually put them in subsubsubsubsub directories and give them cryptic names... but ill look for it :p


And this time.... Release it!

;)
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Grimloq on November 25, 2004, 02:22:39 pm
hey, i may be able to fix the messed up one.... w00t!
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Lightspeed on November 25, 2004, 02:31:41 pm
Whatever. I want this thing :D
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Grimloq on November 26, 2004, 03:18:25 pm
lol

while im here, would someone mess with the hecate main texture? that ugly crap-colored one? it looks like dirt, and im sure thats not the effect that :V: was going for. just if someone had some free time *cough*lighty*cough*

i fixed the model up to one point. theres a vertex that got deleted, and its a very important one. so, theres a big ol chunk missing from the hecates lower left engine... :(
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Roanoke on November 26, 2004, 03:30:02 pm
if you release it, they will come.
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Grimloq on November 26, 2004, 03:32:24 pm
...


is that a threat, a poor reference to that baseball movie, or a question?
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Singh on November 26, 2004, 03:35:04 pm
he means taht if you release it, people will actually be bothered to mkae the textures for it.
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Roanoke on November 26, 2004, 04:38:18 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Grimloq
...is that a threat, a poor reference to that baseball movie  , or a question?


Quote
Originally posted by Singh
he means taht if you release it, people will actually be bothered to mkae the textures for it.


you're both right.

what do you mean "poor" anyway ? I thought it was quite good.
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Mongoose on November 26, 2004, 05:10:17 pm
Meh, the book (Shoeless Joe) was much better. :)
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Grimloq on November 26, 2004, 05:31:27 pm
meh, i didnt think it was that good :p then again, ive seen a whole 10 minutes of the movie...
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Cobra on November 26, 2004, 08:04:36 pm
The highpoly Herc is screwed. It's got a missing texture: fighter0somethingorother-06.
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Lightspeed on November 27, 2004, 10:48:53 am
Quote
Originally posted by Grimloq
lol
while im here, would someone mess with the hecate main texture? that ugly crap-colored one? it looks like dirt, and im sure thats not the effect that :V: was going for. just if someone had some free time *cough*lighty*cough*
 


Ehh, I already did that :doubt:

I want/need/must have your model. :o
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: TopAce on November 27, 2004, 10:58:04 am
Good, but remove the front Antenae.
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Taristin on November 27, 2004, 11:12:27 am
Nobody reads! This mesh was lost! He said it himself!  But even before he said that, he said THE ANTENNA WAS REMOVED!  Why doesn't anybody read anymore?! This is the frikkin' internet! You have to read everything!
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: TopAce on November 27, 2004, 11:29:04 am
Hey, nobody wants to read around 100 posts!
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Lightspeed on November 27, 2004, 12:02:00 pm
REELEEEZEE. ;7 :p
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: TopAce on November 27, 2004, 12:47:03 pm
:lol:
:ha:
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Grimloq on November 27, 2004, 02:53:19 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Raa
Nobody reads! This mesh was lost! He said it himself!  But even before he said that, he said THE ANTENNA WAS REMOVED!  Why doesn't anybody read anymore?! This is the frikkin' internet! You have to read everything!


how ironic, you apparently didnt read that ive almost fixed it :p LOL

BTW, after i gain some apporval of the work im going to do- *looks at watch* -now, ill make a public release of the untextured mesh. then, people can go at the texturing however they want.

also, if someone has a clever idea for some uberizing, please do it and show us! :p
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Cobra on November 27, 2004, 03:05:50 pm
Quote
Originally posted by TopAce
Hey, nobody wants to read around 100 posts!


Look who's talking. Why should we read your 5000 posts?
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Cobra on November 27, 2004, 03:07:00 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Raa
This is the frikkin' internet! You have to read everything!


Word.
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Grimloq on November 27, 2004, 03:26:29 pm
huh? :blah:
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Cobra on November 27, 2004, 03:29:35 pm
Word means "I agree with you" The internet ain't like talking. If you don't read something, you miss out on it and it screws the life outta ya.
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Grimloq on November 27, 2004, 03:42:11 pm
i only didnt knwo what word ment :p oh well. i know now.
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: TopAce on November 27, 2004, 04:20:49 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Cobra


Look who's talking. Why should we read your 5000 posts?


They are not in ONE thread, buddy. :nod:
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Cobra on November 27, 2004, 04:28:23 pm
:ha: Got me there, buddy! :lol:
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Grimloq on November 27, 2004, 05:46:44 pm
whos this 'buddy' were talking to?

BTW, i am so good :cool: i got a massive poly error, wehre most of the polys merged into one across the entire part of the right engine, and i fixed it! :p
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Ulala on November 28, 2004, 11:55:12 am
I kinda liked the front antenna, gave the Hecate a little brother to the Colossus look. Meh... :blah:
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: JR2000Z on November 28, 2004, 02:27:24 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Ulala
I kinda liked the front antenna, gave the Hecate a little brother to the Colossus look. Meh... :blah:

Same but that's changing too much.
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: boewolf on November 28, 2004, 04:44:16 pm
Looking at this one with the antenna on the front, if the armorment was lightened and the outcroping wing sections were deleted and a solar pannel was added it could make a funky lookin military science ship...  If you ever just drop the modle do you mind if i try that out?
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Cobra on November 28, 2004, 06:01:41 pm
........Gamespace Light 1.5 is easier than gmax.....
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Ulala on November 30, 2004, 01:25:40 am
Quote
Originally posted by JR2000Z

Same but that's changing too much.


I suppose.. :doubt:
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Bobboau on November 30, 2004, 02:43:47 am
I like it, some liberties must be made to ubberise these things
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Grimloq on November 30, 2004, 07:40:46 pm
in my defense:

if i add the antennae (its gone, but not at all hard to put back) its not going to make much of any difference. its tiny, not ANY difference if you have to fly around it (and you never really do...) and the length wouldnt change-
id find the length without the antennae and then align that perfectly, and then i would add the antennae after its aligned. so, the overall length is changed (a little bit) but the only thing changing the length is an antennae thingey which does nothing, has no impact on gameplay, and makes it look kinda like the colossuss little brother (a good thing).

so, besides saying its not 'freespacey' or that you just dont like it (which are valid arguments) whats wromg with the size? :blah:


boewulf: uh, you can try that if you want :nervous: why dont you just extract the hecate and start experimenting?


little progress, its been alot of error-fixing right now :ick:
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Grimloq on November 30, 2004, 07:41:31 pm
in my defense:

if i add the antennae (its gone, but not at all hard to put back) its not going to make much of any difference. its tiny, not ANY difference if you have to fly around it (and you never really do...) and the length wouldnt change-
id find the length without the antennae and then align that perfectly, and then i would add the antennae after its aligned. so, the overall length is changed (a little bit) but the only thing changing the length is an antennae thingey which does nothing, has no impact on gameplay, and makes it look kinda like the colossuss little brother (a good thing).

so, besides saying its not 'freespacey' or that you just dont like it (which are valid arguments) whats wromg with the size? :blah:


boewulf: uh, you can try that if you want :nervous: why dont you just extract the hecate and start experimenting?


little progress, its been alot of error-fixing right now :ick:
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Grimloq on November 30, 2004, 07:41:49 pm
[edit] sorry, hit post button twice :hopping:
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Cobra on November 30, 2004, 07:56:05 pm
Hey, no spamming threads!
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Grimloq on November 30, 2004, 07:58:20 pm
what? :confused: whos spamming?

[edit] OH! sorry, i must have double clicked...
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Cobra on November 30, 2004, 08:28:53 pm
Sorry. I do that to, although I trained myself not to... You're killing grammar, man! *sighs* I'm looking for members for my campaign project. It's not a live one yet, but I need people for it, as it's a big campaign. I've changed the number to 20+.

I need:
At least 3 FREDers
At least 3 Modellers
At least 3 texturers
At least 3 Table guys
Basically at least 3 of everything.
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Taristin on November 30, 2004, 08:35:33 pm
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Originally posted by Cobra
Hey, no spamming threads!

(http://www.beavton.k12.or.us/jacob_wismer/leahy/2001/idioms/kettle1_small.jpg)
(pot calling the kettle black...)
Title: heheh
Post by: Cobra on November 30, 2004, 08:39:54 pm
Shame on you! You told me not to spam threads, and you shouldn't spam either :lol:

*Refers to request in post*
You wanna join my quiet but major MOD campaign?
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Black Wolf on November 30, 2004, 08:41:12 pm
Now who's spamming threads? Keep it on topic please.
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Taristin on November 30, 2004, 08:41:46 pm
Nein danke. I have my hands full. And either way, you're hijacking Grimloq's thread. :p
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Grimloq on November 30, 2004, 08:55:10 pm
*grabs the long thread and hangs on* no! let it be!!


i added some coolio engine greebles on the hecate. im on the wrong computer right now, so i cant upload piccys :( right now at least...
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Cobra on November 30, 2004, 09:08:31 pm
Hey Grimloq, you wanna join as a modeller? And to add a bit to my requirements, I also need an animator.

Back to your topic: You should make more high-poly's. It would be so much better for FS2.
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Grimloq on November 30, 2004, 09:13:12 pm
uhm, i have some incredably useful programs for makin animations... but cobra, first off:

make sure you have your storyline VERY well thought out before you design it. if you have just an idea set up, tha twill work too.

also, you shouldnt try recruiting people who know nothing about this campaign :)

high poly ships: actually, i also fiddled around with the ravana, sath, and colossus a bit... none of them were any good whatsoever though, (as well as buggy) so i dumped them.

i also HTLed the GTD Raynor, which is my favorite ship, but i cant really show it unless i get permission from whoever made it (i think someone named 'CODEDOG CD' or something...)
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Cobra on November 30, 2004, 09:48:10 pm
Check the Campaign thread in this forum, FS/FS2 Campaigns. Go to the last page and you'll see my campaign under the name Pathways Episode 1 (?) But I'll tell you anyway, since I'm generous.

Campaign Name: Pathways Episode 1 (?)
Authors: Cobra,
Missions: 20+
MODs: Unknown At This Time
Release Date: When It's Done and I Feel It's Ready
In Developement Since: 11.29.04
Developement Progress: Initial Plot Writing and Mission Planning, Missions 1-4 Planned Out

Description: Two years after the Capella supernova, Alpha 1 is recommended by Admiral Petrarch for police duty aboard the GTD Lexington due to inreased pilot activity. This was supposed to be like the old days fighting the NTF, but he was wrong...

Spoiler:
Sometime during the campaign, Alpha 1 is tempted by the enemy to join them. If he does the thinkable, he will be marked as a traitor and hunted down by the GTVA. If he does the thinkable, he will remain a GTVA pilot to the end


This is my revised campaign info. I moved it up to 20+ missions.

Quote
Origionally posted by Grimloq
uhm, i have some incredably useful programs for makin animations...


Can I have a copy of them programs? I'm a free warez person. :D
I wanna check them out... (and see if I can make something, of course ;7) As usual, [email protected] or [email protected]. I don't know if GMail will take emails yet, since GMail is in it's Beta version.

[/EDIT] Oh yeah, the quote in this post was typed manually. I RULE!!
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Cobra on November 30, 2004, 09:55:38 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Black Wolf
Now who's spamming threads? Keep it on topic please.


Hey, at least I don't post weirdo photos with a pot calling teh kettle black...
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Grimloq on November 30, 2004, 09:58:10 pm
well, one of the programs is only really good for cutscenes, as it doesnt do anything remotely related to .ANIs, and besdies, i have neither an ISO, an installer, or any way to get it to you without senidng the entire program, which is quite imporrible :(

as for the other program useful for animating, its truespace 5. that i wouldnt warezify, as im way too loyal to caligari ;)

besides, cut the chatter about warez! even though lots of people do it, dont discuss it on forums, you can get banned :nervous:

sounds interesting campaign... though with the following descrepancies:

if its only 2 years after capella supernova, there shouldnt be 'lots of MODs', as there wouldnt be enough time to develop them :)
what is the actual plotline? is it just the choice, and then the consequences?

sounds actually decent nonetheless!
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Cobra on November 30, 2004, 10:45:34 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Grimloq
if its only 2 years after capella supernova, there shouldnt be 'lots of MODs', as there wouldnt be enough time to develop them :)
what is the actual plotline? is it just the choice, and then the consequences?
sounds actually decent nonetheless!


Well, yeah, that's why I said unknown at this time for my campaign info. I called the campaign itself a MOD because I'm going to have a lotta missions in it. I think the most MODs I will have will be raider looks for the main FS2 fighters and bombers (separate .tbl entries, of course), and maybe a new cruiser or two. I could use cutscenes, I'll get back to you on that. If you want briefing, ship, and weapon anis, go to (I think www.descent-freespace.com/tools/ , they've got tools for that) What do you mean about the plotline?
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Grimloq on November 30, 2004, 11:01:14 pm
i mean, like, is the whole story about that choice you make, and then about what happens after you make the choice? or is there some major event that drives the rest of the story (like the appearance of the shivans in FS2, or the attack of the flood in halo)

as for the .ANI creator, thats actually quite difficult to use :p you simply make a bunch of .PCX files and then it packages them into an .ANI. i can make PCXs, in fact.... hey, that wouldnt be to hard! i can render each frame seperately into jpg, and then mass convert to .pcx :) i CAN do CBanims :)

ok, ill offer to do any animations you need, then (though i dont know how to do an animation where the camera moves.
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Cobra on November 30, 2004, 11:49:00 pm
There is a choice in the middle of the campaign, when you get tempted to join the pirates, but that's about all so far. Remember, I've only written out 4 missions so far. It's a big campaign, so it'll take a bit to write out the whole thing. I'll be posting a new thread about Pathways, so contact me there. *Updates plot thingy I wrote with "Animator: Grimloq"* Contact me at my new thread.
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Ulala on December 01, 2004, 03:48:33 pm
Can't wait to see the latest pics. Oh, and one vote for the front antenna please. :yes:  :)  Has anyone updated the Ravana yet? I can't seem to find it. Which is weird, since the Ravana is the 1337est ship out there.. ;)
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Grimloq on December 01, 2004, 03:59:50 pm
ah, one for the antennae :) ill post pics in a bit, im fixing some annoying stuff...
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Grimloq on December 01, 2004, 04:15:03 pm
gry areas are new greebling, to be more detailed later :)

here:
(http://www.waycoolpages.com/originorder/newhecate1.jpg)


what do you think of the 'braces' on the back engines?
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Jetmech Jr. on December 01, 2004, 04:32:13 pm
:nod: That's the ticket. Good job.
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Taristin on December 01, 2004, 05:25:21 pm
Just don't forget that it's half Vsaudan.


Funny how the Vasudan ships show little to no Terran influence, but the Terran ships show heavy Vasudan influence. :p
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Lightspeed on December 01, 2004, 05:28:47 pm
The original hi-polyrization was better (screenies on SG).

Also note that I loved the antennae.

(http://www.waycoolpages.com/originorder/newhecate.jpg)

Look at it again.

Things to fix on your rebuild / add:



Basically, make it look like your first version :nod:
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Grimloq on December 01, 2004, 05:49:52 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Lightspeed

  • Front of the model (connection between the two "wings", the little boxes on the sides, the front details, basically I disagree with the altered layout of this new version)
  • The "neck" needs to be fixed to what it was
  • The little recessed part behind its "neck" should be changed back to the polygonal shape from its current "vampire teeth" look(!)
  • The front of the engine blocks is completely messed up. It IS a four sided face, just as in your (great) first version. It's no weird hexagon.
  • Connection to the wings was better
  • Antennae and surface detail were better
  • Add the little blocks sticking out from the engine's sides again.


1: im redoing the front, it had polygon-weirdness
2: >.< i havnt done anything to the neck... :nervous:
3: indeed, i oughtta fix that.
4: yeah, that was a miserably failed experiment to try to make it vasudan :p
5: in which one?
6: in whicn one? (guessing first one...)
7: ok :) but what do you think of the 'braces'? (do i wanna know...?)

im putting the antennae back, few people have complained about them. ;)
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Trivial Psychic on December 01, 2004, 06:19:14 pm
Old:
(http://www.waycoolpages.com/originorder/newhecate.jpg)
New:
(http://www.waycoolpages.com/originorder/newhecate1.jpg)

I definitely like the way you're going on the new version, as it is less "edgy" than your previous incarnation.  As Raa pointed out, the Vasudan influences in the [V] Hecate's curvy appearance should be retained to some degree.

Keep up the good work!

Later!
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: c914 on December 02, 2004, 02:46:18 am
second veriso is much  better:yes:
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Flaser on December 02, 2004, 04:50:21 am
If you could add the details Lighty craves for while maintaining the SLEEK look you've achieved with the second try we have a DEFINITE WINNER.

I think you (should) could add the rear antenna without too much aproar - macking them slim and thin would also help maintain the slim look.

Instead hexagonising the the block's surface you should curve them slightly.

Add the little boxes to the engine block, but I like the bracers more than the structure you used on top of the original block.
Add the connection to the wings - when (if) rebuilding the fore wings connection to the head, keep the current more streamlined look. Even if they are study they don't have to be damn blocky.

This ship is 1/3 - 1/2 Vas so it should be somewhat aesthetically pleasing as well as strudy.

Add the connecting boxes to the wings' connection.

The new details you added are A1 - Super!
The whole model seems 'refined'.

Keep up the good work! ...and pls. send a version to Lighty/DaBrain for texturing ASAP since this model definiltly deserves their magic.

Once again it is a very good rebuild so far.
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: aldo_14 on December 02, 2004, 04:54:32 am
Quote
Originally posted by Raa
Just don't forget that it's half Vsaudan.


Funny how the Vasudan ships show little to no Terran influence, but the Terran ships show heavy Vasudan influence. :p


I dunno, though; they use a lot more overlapping 'scales' for the hull than in FS1, don't they?  Particulalry the Hatshepsut vs the Typhon.

Albeit, I thought the FS1 vasudan fighters tended to look more Terran than the FS2 ones......
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: TrashMan on December 02, 2004, 06:45:08 am
I think the engine part should remain blocky...
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: TopAce on December 02, 2004, 09:03:24 am
Keep it up, you are heading at good direction.
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: DaBrain on December 02, 2004, 10:26:31 am
OMG both versions are great. :eek2:
Don't make me decide which one's better. :shaking:
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: mitac on December 02, 2004, 10:30:09 am
Well, maybe you could use both - one as the standard Hecate class, the other as the prototype vessel, the first of its class.

As the prototype, the old version should be better, as technological stuff tends to get smaller, thus saving on the price. The slim V2.0 would make a nice standard version.

Once it reaches an appropriate detail level. :) Just get rid of those hexagonal engines. :ick:
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Cobra on December 02, 2004, 11:24:00 am
....It looks stormtrooper-ish....
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Grimloq on December 02, 2004, 05:10:59 pm
heres plan: *is suddenly bombarded with popups* "DOH!!"

anyway:

the icky hexagons are going away, that was awful decision :p im gonna curve the whole thing out a bit (nice tools for it too :) )

then, im going to put the forward antennae back. that was so cool... if by demand people dont want it, ill release a version without it as well.

BTW, the icky hexagons are goign to be squared out again, but im going to put a more interesting shape there than a boring square >.<

then, that 'vampire teeth' thing behind the neck is going to be pushed out a bit, so it looks like an ops deck maybe. or really an airlock... hard to explain, but will look neat :)

oh, and theres a nameplate on the neck BTW :)


BTW BTW, im going to put flashy lights going up and in the 'wings' probably. well, maybe. itll look cool methinks.

AAKK! *mom walks in when grimloq is supposed to be writing an essay and is actually chatting at forums :shaking: *
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: WeatherOp on December 02, 2004, 05:54:31 pm
Man Grim, If you keep this up FS2 will be a different game:) . I want to see you Make the Ravana look good too.
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Striker on December 02, 2004, 06:54:24 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Grimloq
AAKK! *mom walks in when grimloq is supposed to be writing an essay and is actually chatting at forums :shaking: *


I feel your pain, Grimmy. I feel it.

Anyway I did like the forward antenna, and the hexagon is a little funky. I wouldnt mind squares, especially considering that i want as low a poly count for this pos comp as possible. But hey it looks great already.

IMHO, I'd actually like a less Vasudan Hecate. The Deimos is the best Terran ship in FS2, because it has the slick look of the GTVA (as opposed to GTA) but retains a truly Terran style. Anyway I'm sure no one agrees with me on that but whatever.

Its lookin great. Keep up the good work.

Quote
Originally posted by WeatherOp
Man Grim, If you keep this up FS2 will be a different game:) . I want to see you Make the Ravana look good too.


I second that notion, BTW
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Ulala on December 02, 2004, 06:58:27 pm
Excellent, can't wait to see more! :yes: :yes: :yes:
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Taristin on December 02, 2004, 07:12:57 pm
Quote
Originally posted by aldo_14


I dunno, though; they use a lot more overlapping 'scales' for the hull than in FS1, don't they?  Particulalry the Hatshepsut vs the Typhon.

Albeit, I thought the FS1 vasudan fighters tended to look more Terran than the FS2 ones......


I guess V felt the same way. 's probably why they started to over tile everything with those plates.  I loved the typon main hull texture. But in FS2, everything was concrete pavers. :doubt:
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Grimloq on December 02, 2004, 08:12:36 pm
my impression was that the terrans have much more powerful and efficient construction tools than vasudans, thus the vasudan ships look like they were built by terrans.

BTW, the demon is next on my list ( :devil: ), followed by the ursa (ursa: the DEFINITION of terran ships...)

BTW, since im notorious (not here, but eveyrhwere else :p )for making ships very high poly, ill prolly make a 'LOD#2' type of hecate for us low-end compy users :p fear not a 8000 poly monster :)

well, fear it, but not yet anyhow :p

thx all BTW :D
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Striker on December 02, 2004, 08:36:14 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Grimloq
BTW, since im notorious (not here, but eveyrhwere else :p )for making ships very high poly, ill prolly make a 'LOD#2' type of hecate for us low-end compy users :p fear not a 8000 poly monster :)


There is a God...:D
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: WeatherOp on December 03, 2004, 10:58:13 am
I just hope we won't have to get another engine for FS2, since you're putting in models that look 10 times that of V. :nod: :yes:
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Cobra on December 03, 2004, 01:45:05 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Grimloq


AAKK! *mom walks in when grimloq is supposed to be writing an essay and is actually chatting at forums :shaking: *


If that actually happened, do homeschool. I joined homeschool and I haven't had to do essays, just a lot of bookwork.
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Grimloq on December 03, 2004, 05:03:13 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Cobra
If that actually happened, do homeschool. I joined homeschool and I haven't had to do essays, just a lot of bookwork.


i am homeschooled :p

weatherop: i wouldnt worry about it. a friend of mine has, er, 'shared' copies of about 10 modelling proggys, and so i can get most models into pretty much any format i need :) so... engine = good :)
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: WeatherOp on December 03, 2004, 05:14:31 pm
Ok good, by the way I'm homeschooled too.:p
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Cobra on December 03, 2004, 07:07:59 pm
Me too! :wtf: er, I've been in homeshool for about 3 weeks and haven't had any essays to write. :wtf:

:eek2: I can write out the emos now! :eek2:
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: FireCrack on December 03, 2004, 07:25:45 pm
Why does everyone seem to be homeschooled? i'm not.
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: redmenace on December 03, 2004, 07:29:03 pm
I was homeschooled also.
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Beowulf on December 03, 2004, 07:29:06 pm
Much better looking.
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Grimloq on December 03, 2004, 08:05:14 pm
i smoothed over the top, lemme post a piccy....

[edit] here it is:

(http://www.waycoolpages.com/originorder/newhecate2.jpg)

the bottom of the small engines is smoothed as well.
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Cobra on December 03, 2004, 08:34:23 pm
Quote
Originally posted by FireCrack
Why does everyone seem to be homeschooled?


It's because we hate having to get up at 5 or 6 in the morning. It could also be because we all want to spend more time with the FS Forums. My reason is both, and because I ran the risk of getting punched in the face a half dozen times at my old school.
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Galemp on December 03, 2004, 08:38:56 pm
I noticed you extruded in the front faces of the lower two engine blocks (on the fin). Don't forget to do that to the main two engine blocks as well.
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Grimloq on December 03, 2004, 08:42:38 pm
dont worry :) im going to put a more insteresting (terran) shape there.

were homeschooled because normal schools left us with deep emotional scars and now we want revenge on the world, but for now will settle for studying fast at home  and visiting online alot.

plus, i get twice as much done in half the time (4 times more) than i did in normal school.
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: redmenace on December 03, 2004, 10:03:42 pm
Thankfully I was homeschooled till I was in 9th grade. Without it I would have been put into an special needs class and probably left for the equivolent of retarded.
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Striker on December 03, 2004, 10:26:09 pm
I'm 100% regularly schooled. Been so since day 1...of school. Hell plenty of kids hate me but there's a fun thing called muscles that stops them from beating the **** outta me. And seriously, do you really give a **** that they hate you cuz u actually use your mind instead of think about football and pussy all day?

ah sorry I digress from topic. That is the best version yet, although the big side things on the front end dont need that extra level IMHO. It just seems like unecessary polies.
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: redmenace on December 03, 2004, 10:31:32 pm
good job :yes:

Sorry, but it is nice to know others that are home schooled.
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Striker on December 03, 2004, 10:38:11 pm
Oh hey dont get me wrong i dont have anything against you guys... I prolly came off as really harsh and condescending. Sorry guys if I was offensive....yeah lets get back on topic, shall we all?
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Cobra on December 03, 2004, 10:53:12 pm
FireCrack: Hey, don't forget girls. Everywhere you look, you see a guy staring at a girl's ass. School football team members only join up to impress them. :lol:

Grimmy: How long does it take you to finish your work? Me, I do it for three days, 2 assignments each. It takes me less than two hours. And you're right about why we wanted homeschool. :D

With that out of my system, let's get back to the friggin' hi-poly hecate, eh?
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: WeatherOp on December 03, 2004, 11:21:32 pm
Looks good Master Grim. Again :yes: :yes: :yes:  Three thumbs up, And again I look and only have 2.:(
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Trivial Psychic on December 03, 2004, 11:38:00 pm
For comparrisson purposes...

Previous state:
(http://www.waycoolpages.com/originorder/newhecate1.jpg)
Latest update:
(http://www.waycoolpages.com/originorder/newhecate2.jpg)
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Cobra on December 04, 2004, 01:13:47 am
Don't see a whole lot of changes, besides the docking ring and the thingies at the front... :wtf: :wtf:
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: FireCrack on December 04, 2004, 02:30:06 am
extrude in the front of the engines, looked good that way
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Lightspeed on December 04, 2004, 11:23:38 am
Keep working on it untill it (basically) looks like the old version :D
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: TopAce on December 04, 2004, 11:38:22 am
It already looks like the old version.
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Ransom on December 04, 2004, 11:49:33 am
Not until Lighty says it is it ain't! :p
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Lightspeed on December 04, 2004, 12:46:39 pm
Indeed it isn't. Just look at the front of the engine thingies, they're not recessed. The antennae on the engine pod are missing, the wing connections, the front detail, just to name a few.
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Rictor on December 04, 2004, 01:06:11 pm
I liked the first version best, but all of them look superb.
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: TopAce on December 04, 2004, 01:10:15 pm
How will the hangar bay look like? It was the ugliest part of the old Hecate model.
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Striker on December 04, 2004, 01:39:14 pm
Just make the entrance more distinct so that the textures just dont switch out of nowhere. (the fighterbay, that is)
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Grimloq on December 04, 2004, 02:46:14 pm
indeed, im trying to figure out how to fix the fighterbay without massive redesigning.


@ all: that latest pic was a bout 10 minutes of work after the last one :nervous: i was calling your attention to the new curvey engines.

im goin to revert alot of stuff back to the original. :) twas much better.


@ cobra: i usually do 15 algebra problems aday, a lot of reading, some english stuff sometimes, 2-3 history mini-essays (a paragraph or a page) draw a map for geography, read some newspaper stuff, work on whatever reaserch project i have goin at the time, and then do some science thing. about 9:00AM -> 4:00PM usually.


BTW, ALL of those platforms on the top are there for a good reason. besides looking cooler, it gives the turrets a FLAT place to sit on, as opposed to the icky old 'lopsided' turets. :ick:
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Ulala on December 04, 2004, 04:20:10 pm
Keep it up!
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Rictor on December 04, 2004, 05:23:42 pm
wait, why did you get rid of the intake thingies on the front of the engines in the latest update?

I say put them back, they look cool.
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Grimloq on December 04, 2004, 06:18:36 pm
do yo upeople actually read this stuff? :p theyre going back, that last picture was just to show off the coolio curvey engines! :)
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Taristin on December 04, 2004, 11:26:25 pm
This is the internet, no one reads, and everyone is superior to eachother.
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Cobra on December 04, 2004, 11:30:14 pm
Well, duh. When people hit internet they become illiterate. Sad, really.
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Grimloq on December 04, 2004, 11:37:47 pm
sownts rite too mee :) ie am towtalie litrit!
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: NGTM-1R on December 05, 2004, 01:41:07 am
I'd say that was funny, but too often it's true.
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Flaser on December 05, 2004, 02:18:05 am
Please don't revert!

For myself, I like it very much - the organic/flowing direction you took with the second try.

It also makes the ship a true big brother of the Deimos and the Aeolus.

Instead going back, go forward and try to integrate the old features into the new design.

I like the curvy engines.
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Grimloq on December 05, 2004, 05:21:14 pm
uh, yeah, thats waht i meant :nervous:
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Grimloq on December 06, 2004, 02:16:24 pm
i added coolio engine intake things, and am in the process of curving out the front :) ill post piccys when i can get on the computer with truespace :nervous: later today, likely.
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Cobra on December 06, 2004, 02:48:20 pm
Hey, Grimloq, can I use the Hecate thingy in Pathways after you've finished it?
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: TopAce on December 06, 2004, 02:57:12 pm
Release it to the public, instead.
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Striker on December 06, 2004, 05:55:02 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Cobra
Hey, Grimloq, can I use the Hecate thingy in Pathways after you've finished it?


Im sure this will go into the next SCP VP once its complete and released, so you prolly don't need to worry about it.
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Grimloq on December 06, 2004, 07:06:49 pm
cobra, heres a definition of HTLed ships:

a new higher poly model with the EXACT SAME STATS, SIZE, AND TABLE ENTRIES that can be simply dropped into the /data/models/ folder for the game to load up instead of the original one. they are purely aesthetic, no game changes, no table changes, ONLY new model and sometimes new textures (as will be in this case)

BTW, the caps are just to draw attention ;) not to yell at ya.

so, when i release the final .POF, then just drop it in yer data models folder. FS2 will do the rest :D

working on some modifications.... will post piccys in a little bit.
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Grimloq on December 06, 2004, 08:13:32 pm
here is a front and back pic.

i textured the engines to show you where the 'ports' will go:

(http://www.waycoolpages.com/originorder/newhecate3.jpg)
(http://www.waycoolpages.com/originorder/newhecate4.jpg)

and ignore that little floating bit in the second pic- thats just something i had laying around :p


you like, yes?

[edit] polycount nearing 4500 (including turrets)  :nervous: but then again, you never see the ship a whole lot... i think im almost ready to call it done :) just gotta finish up the nose.

[edit#2] - and fighterbay :nervous:
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Cobra on December 06, 2004, 08:41:57 pm
:eek2: That...is...PURELY AWESOME!! :eek:

To your other post: I know how putting in high poly ships work.
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Jetmech Jr. on December 06, 2004, 09:18:12 pm
*Is intrigued*

Now how bout the Antennae?
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Jonathan_S47 on December 06, 2004, 09:29:31 pm
I really like what you did with the ships engines.
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: redmenace on December 06, 2004, 09:35:27 pm
In the words of Peter Griffin, that is "freakin sweet"
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Grimloq on December 06, 2004, 09:46:25 pm
holy... 3 large approvals in less than a few hours :eek: thx all! :p

jetmech: antennae... i just hacnt gotten around to putting them back in yet :p (the old ones were buggy, too)

cobra: ok, no worries :) alot of people dont, and constantly ask if they can use it >.< kinda annoying after a while.

theres 2 'intakes' on the front, too. theyre hard to see in that pic... right the grey spot right behind the greeble on the front. thats a cool little intake thingey. :) itll be clearly textured.

BTW, eventually (ie, once i learn lithunwrapper :p ) ill unwrap this thing, making it 10X cooler AND reducing the number of maps needed, thus cutting out the 4500 polys :)

[edit] and any ideas for what to do between the engines in the back? im stumped... :blah:
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Cobra on December 06, 2004, 10:01:12 pm
Quote
Originally posted by redmenace
In the words of Peter Griffin, that is "freakin sweet"


:yes: Hear, hear! :yes:

[Edit] I don't think you do anything in the back between the engines. Just leave it as-is. And to hear that it won't be over 4500 poly's sounds cool! No SCP Freespace version! Boo-yeah!
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Grimloq on December 06, 2004, 10:17:07 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Cobra
No SCP Freespace version! Boo-yeah!


 :blah: huh?
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Anaz on December 06, 2004, 10:20:50 pm
I think he's implying that this upgrade will be playable without FS2 Open
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Grimloq on December 06, 2004, 10:37:23 pm
hmm.... if you want yer compy to move like a snail, sure it is ;)
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Cobra on December 06, 2004, 11:31:12 pm
Maybe, but I think an Intel Celeron 2.7 GHz computer with Direct3D and OpenGL would probably make a difference. :p :D
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: redmenace on December 07, 2004, 12:23:20 am
eh dump the celeron and buy a real processor. try an XP or PIV no 64bit, it is not worth it right now.
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Trivial Psychic on December 07, 2004, 01:20:25 am
Grim, I saw in Bob's feature post that you are considering a door ani for the fighterbay.  I wanted to ask you if you were considering adding some destroyable, non-targettable submodels.  After all, this is a cutting edge feature, and probably the closest thing that FSO will get to geomoding.  Its inclusion on this model could go a long way to inspiring other talented moders to do the same.  Granted, it would require a re-work of the table entry to support said features, but that's hardly a problem if its included in the FSO mediaVP.
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Swamp_Thing on December 07, 2004, 04:00:09 am
Quote
Originally posted by Trivial Psychic
Grim, I saw in Bob's feature post that you are considering a door ani for the fighterbay.  I wanted to ask you if you were considering adding some destroyable, non-targettable submodels.  After all, this is a cutting edge feature, and probably the closest thing that FSO will get to geomoding.  Its inclusion on this model could go a long way to inspiring other talented moders to do the same.  Granted, it would require a re-work of the table entry to support said features, but that's hardly a problem if its included in the FSO mediaVP.


Ooooh, is that possible?? I have a bunch of models waiting for something like that!
Can we have confirmation of this?
:eek:
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: mitac on December 07, 2004, 04:11:39 am
Swamp, you may want to take a look at this (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,28331.0.html)  thread. :)
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Lightspeed on December 07, 2004, 12:04:40 pm
:shaking:

The front of the engine parts..... just no. :sigh:

Put them back to what they were - the "two octagon" look is just horrible.
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Grimloq on December 07, 2004, 02:55:31 pm
:nervous: i think it looks alot better... more 'organic'. i think octagons look good on the hecate :p


TP: i said that? oops, must have used a wrong abbreviation (hey, why is abbreviation such a long word? >.< ) i meant i was going to make animated hangar doors as in doors that move when a ship flies in or out :)
[edit] wait, is that what you said?[/edit]

at some point, im going to add destroyable bits to the hecate, although itll be hard cuz some turrets are on them.

blah...
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Jetmech Jr. on December 07, 2004, 03:37:35 pm
I agree with Lightspeed. Those dual octagons need to go. Organic doesn't work well with the Hecate in any case, IMO.
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Striker on December 07, 2004, 03:45:05 pm
I like the octagons. Hell I dont care how often am I gonna stop in the middle of a firefight to ogle the perdy Hecate? It doesnt make it organic, but I do agree that the GTVA ships these days are taking a turn for the worse w/ organics...
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Grimloq on December 07, 2004, 03:47:05 pm
how about if i shrink the corners of the octagons alot so that its just BARELY not square? itll look goos still...

those were HARD to put in! :p

will get piccys later today hopefully.
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: JR2000Z on December 07, 2004, 03:47:35 pm
I'd see it textured before making any decisions about it.
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Cobra on December 07, 2004, 05:53:54 pm
Quote
Originally posted by redmenace
eh dump the celeron and buy a real processor. try an XP or PIV no 64bit, it is not worth it right now.


Couldn't afford anything else...
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: FireCrack on December 07, 2004, 07:07:51 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Cobra


Couldn't afford anything else...


"Friends dont let friends buy celerons." ;)
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Ulala on December 07, 2004, 09:36:10 pm
I like it, but need to see it in game for final approval. ;)  Excellent work! :yes:
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Ulala on December 07, 2004, 09:36:11 pm
[edit]Bah, double post.[/edit]
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: redmenace on December 07, 2004, 09:54:25 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Cobra


Couldn't afford anything else...

Well where do you make your purchases?
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Grimloq on December 07, 2004, 10:26:32 pm
id be workin right now, but my bro is on the good comp... lemme try to kick him off...
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Taristin on December 07, 2004, 10:30:20 pm
Nice title, BTW, Cobra. :p
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Grimloq on December 07, 2004, 11:44:55 pm
i want that title! :) lol

working on hecate now... just fixing some of the AWFUL triangulation that :V: did. it looks nicer now :)

BTW, what should i do to teh front (antennae are already put back)? im at a loss...
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Cobra on December 07, 2004, 11:59:44 pm
Are you talking about my campaign?
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Grimloq on December 08, 2004, 12:01:35 am
no , i want the title 'Uber-n00b' :p
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Cobra on December 08, 2004, 12:04:04 am
I don't know what 'Uber-n00b' means. Why is it so popular?

Red: I make my purchases at Staples and Walmart.
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: redmenace on December 08, 2004, 12:18:36 am
DUDE,
www.pricewatch.com
www.bizrate.com
Are a couple of the best places to purchase parts.

As per you title, I think the Admins got annoyed with your requests in HLP Official Request Thread.
Uber-n00b: Basically it means that you are very new and green. And usually people who get to 250 posts from only a month of being here post alot of spam also. No insult intended.

And Staples, is a big huge ****ing ripoff. I should know, I used to work for them, bastards. :hopping:
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Striker on December 08, 2004, 12:19:37 am
Uber means pretty much super. N00b is a new guy and denotes inexperience

EDIT: Argh beat me to it:ick:
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Liberator on December 08, 2004, 12:25:45 am
Cobra, Staples is, with no shadow of doubt, the worst place to purchase computer periphreals.  They over price everything by as much as $40-50 USD.  Wal-Mart is okay, but they mostly only carry a couple of brands(HP and Creative, as well as a couple of off brands I wouldn't touch if you gave them to me).  Internet retailers are you're friend when it comes to getting parts on the cheap.  A Video card(Radeon or something) might cost $230 in a store, if you buy it off the the internet it might only cost $150 if you can find a deal with a reputable dealer.  And you don't have to have a credit card to make purchases from internet retailers.  The last time I checked, cnetpc.com/ accepted Money Orders, so you could save you're cash up and then make a money order for you're purchases.  The big rub with Internet Retailers is their return policy, make sure you understand it before you buy something from them, because you're likely to get screwed over if you can't meet their return requirements.
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Grimloq on December 08, 2004, 12:48:53 am
outpost.com (http://www.outpost.com/)

 :D

once yo ufigure out how its organized, you cat some prett ygooddeails (found a 256MB RAM stick for ~30$)

[edit] and i found a 2048MB paired DDR RAM thing there for 400$ once :p i dunno if thats good or bad, but DANG!! thats a LOT of memory! :p

[edit#2] i got 350 posts and i been here ~2 months (end of sept is when i joined). do i spam (much)?

 :nervous:

ok, maybe a LITTLE...
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Cobra on December 08, 2004, 11:27:10 am
I act very n00bish, so I guess that's why I'm Uber-n00b. If you want it, act n00bish. :lol: I do have 256 DDR RAM, thank you very much. I got the tower, keyboard, and mouse (which I switched for an optical) for $475.99 or something like that. The AMD Athlon XP was over $600, for which I didn't have the money. To your first edit: yeah, that is a helluva lotta memory. I'm jealous.

Redmenace: I only requested once and I whined in one post. (I think)

But I'm an admin for Hades-Combine now! I'm the guy who helps out with adding mods. If you don't believe me, ask the guy who runs the place.
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: TopAce on December 08, 2004, 12:27:09 pm
Congratulations for your Adminship!
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Cobra on December 08, 2004, 12:37:35 pm
Thanks, but I HUMONGOUSLY screwed up in adding a mod. Now, why did the admins close my thread? I needed it.
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Liberator on December 08, 2004, 02:07:40 pm
What was the speed rating on that Athlon XP?  I only paid $60 for my 1800+ and I don't think any of the XP series is still $600.  Unless it was one of those 64-bit chips.
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Cobra on December 08, 2004, 02:25:00 pm
It was an AMD Athlon 1800+ 2.6 GHz, 512 DDR RAM, IIRC.
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Grimloq on December 08, 2004, 02:44:16 pm
/me wants more RAM

hey, i talked to VA earlier today (well, it was after midnight last night...) and he pointed out some problems, opinions, and in general, useful stuff about the hecate. so, im working on incorperating those features.

*is supposed to be working right now... :nervous: )

congrads on admin at HC cobra :D


NB: i didnt get the 2 gig RAM, i dont have 400$ handy :( i wish i did..
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Liberator on December 08, 2004, 03:50:18 pm
The 1800+ operates at 1533 mhz and you got supremely ripped off paying $600 for it.

I buy most of my parts  here (http://www.gigaparts.com/index.php), cause it's in driving distance from my house and they give people who bring an online order form into the store the same discount.
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: mitac on December 08, 2004, 04:12:37 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Cobra
Thanks, but I HUMONGOUSLY screwed up in adding a mod. Now, why did the admins close my thread? I needed it.


There was probably too much spamming going on over there. Surprise, surprise.

Grimloq, any progress on your Hecate that's worth showing off? :)
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Grimloq on December 08, 2004, 05:05:32 pm
yes, the pictures that have been posted- not much changes. just adding the 'minute' details and fixing some of :V:s sloppy triangulation... :ick:
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Ulala on December 09, 2004, 03:16:22 am
*begs for some good texturing*
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Lightspeed on December 09, 2004, 11:45:32 am
*Wants the original hi-poly Hecate released*
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Grimloq on December 09, 2004, 01:33:58 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Ulala
*begs for some good texturing*


im going to UVwrap it someday :)

lighty: uhm, im afraid the original version is prolly not going to be released... except:

i may make an 'alternate' hecate. not a replacement, but a whole new ship. tis mostly the same as the normal hecate, but it looks like my original upgrade (plus some) and maybe some different textures. so, you may get it yet :)
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Cobra on December 09, 2004, 05:42:15 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Liberator
The 1800+ operates at 1533 mhz and you got supremely ripped off paying $600 for it.


I never bought it. I bought the Intel Celeron.
Title: back on topic, you!
Post by: Grimloq on December 11, 2004, 04:53:33 pm
well, i had an idea. im going to try to make the engines have 'thruster burn' on the back (like with the myrmidon and the herc2) not really cuz it would be there, but it would look cool :)
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: WeatherOp on December 11, 2004, 06:19:55 pm
Cobra how much did you pay for it? anything over $500 means you got riped off. I had a Celeron once, wouldn't run nothin. *pats my cpu that has P4 in it.
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Cobra on December 11, 2004, 08:11:11 pm
$475. There was a PC that was the exact same in Wal-Mart, 'cept it was 100 MHz slower and it had a monitor. I was too eager to wait for the ones with the monitor, so I took the monitorless one. The one with the monitor was $495.99. Heh.
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Grimloq on December 11, 2004, 08:16:26 pm
*cant contain himself*

you didnt take a deal where the monitor was only 20$ more expensive than the rest of the computer?!??!?! MONITORS ARE USUALLY 300!!!!! GAH!!!



anyway, the sooner we get back on topic, the better. although its hard when i dont have anything new to report :)
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Lightspeed on December 11, 2004, 08:48:19 pm
You can get a relatively good CRT around $120 these days. It's really great that those ****ty TFT screens are so popular, it makes the CRT prices drop and drop :D

As for anything else, never should anyone buy an Intel Celeron processor :p

As for on-topic-ness.

Why don't you want to go with the original hi-polification? It looked, well, awesome, and not like that crap-o-tastic new one.
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Cobra on December 11, 2004, 08:50:21 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Grimloq
*cant contain himself*

you didnt take a deal where the monitor was only 20$ more expensive than the rest of the computer?!??!?! MONITORS ARE USUALLY 300!!!!! GAH!!!


The monitor was actually pretty much the exact same one I have.
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Grimloq on December 11, 2004, 10:10:03 pm
oh... :p

lighty: well, i cant please everyone. actually, i didnt like the first one *that* much. it didnt look smooth enough. someday the old one may come back as... somehting, but not now. actually, i HATED those blocks on hte engines :) they looked too much like space-fillers...
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Cobra on December 11, 2004, 10:33:57 pm
You're right. They do, don't they?

In the future, don't post so many piccies on one page. It KILLS my 56k!

[Edit] Which is a higher grade of CPU's? P4, or IC? (Intel Celeron) And don't say P4 becaues you like it!
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Taristin on December 11, 2004, 10:59:38 pm
Are you seriously asking if a p4 > celeron?  Wow.


Ok, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt... it goes like this:

AMD 64-bit > AMD Athlon XP > Intel P4 > AMD Duron > Intel Celeron

Greatest -> Worst
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Axem on December 11, 2004, 11:01:58 pm
Dude, forget what everyone tells you. You need a 2600, an Atari 2600. There isn't nothing nowhere that will run as fast as that. Just think how fast Peasant's Quest could run on that thing!

Grim: Awesome uberfying. The Hecate always had that special place in my heart. :D
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Cobra on December 11, 2004, 11:06:13 pm
:wtf: An ATARI 2600!? :wtf: Last I checked, Atari's don't even exist anymore.

Dude, we are soooo hijacking this **** thread.

[EDIT] **** you, Raa. :p
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Taristin on December 11, 2004, 11:37:17 pm
You can be jealous all you want, but a Celeron is really a crappy processor. It's Intel's bargain basement chip. And Although I may have a slight bias towards AMD, I know that my AMD Athlon XP 2800+ (which operates at 2.08GHz) outperforms my parents Intel Pentium 4 (which operates at 2.24 Ghz)
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Cobra on December 12, 2004, 12:38:15 am
heh, I'm about 1700 MHz short of the P4 your parents have... and I'm 1 MHz behind you. 2.7 GHz is my speed, and I ain't lying. Dude, an IC is good enough for me right now, unless Mom decides to get me a real nice PC for Christmas. I already want one of those hot-rod laptops...
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Lightspeed on December 12, 2004, 09:54:07 am
Quote
Originally posted by Raa

AMD 64-bit >> Intel P4 > AMD Athlon XP >>>>>> AMD Duron & Intel Celeron

Greatest -> Worst


More like this :)

Oh, and Cobra... Anyone who measures performance in MHz core speed is either a fool, or just totally uninformed. :D
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Turambar on December 12, 2004, 11:03:05 am
I have my P4 3.2 Ghz OC'd to 3.4 Ghz and i believe that it kicks a sufficient quantity of ass, thank you very much
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Grimloq on December 12, 2004, 02:49:11 pm
uh, goober? can you please split this thread...? its getting out of hand

BTW, no updates on hecate yet. sry :)
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Taristin on December 12, 2004, 03:02:34 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Lightspeed


More like this :)

Oh, and Cobra... Anyone who measures performance in MHz core speed is either a fool, or just totally uninformed. :D


You're joking right?  A P4 is in no way better than an Athlon XP...  AMD outperforms intel all the time...

Plus there's the fact that the AMD's don't need the extra 12v connections, or that they don't need a fan and heatsink 3x the size of the chip... :doubt:
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Grimloq on December 12, 2004, 03:08:30 pm
*sigh* wheres a MOD when you need 'em?
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Carl on December 12, 2004, 03:15:51 pm
64 bit is always faster than 32 bit, however it brings up compatibility problems.
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: ChronoReverse on December 12, 2004, 07:35:56 pm
Erm, no.  64 bits doesn't really mean anything in terms of speed of CPUs.  The Athlon64's are faster in 64bit mode though because of the extra registers though.  Certain tasks are also faster in 64bit mode since the data being moved around are in 64bit chunks.


AthlonXPs were better than P4s up until Northwood was released.  Then P4s were better than AthlonXPs.  When the Athlon64 was released, it was better than P4s even in standard x86 stuff.  Switch to 64bit mode and make those extra registers available and the Athlon64 blows completely past the P4.
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Taristin on December 12, 2004, 08:08:57 pm
My Athlon XP 2800+ performs better than my parents P4 2.24Ghz Northwood chip. Granted, they don't have hyperthreading, but my chip is much quicker than theirs.
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Cobra on December 12, 2004, 08:40:43 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Lightspeed
Oh, and Cobra... Anyone who measures performance in MHz core speed is either a fool, or just totally uninformed. :D


Well, what do you want me to say? It's easy for me... Let's get back to the hecate thingy, shall we?
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Ulala on December 12, 2004, 08:53:01 pm
Mmmm, need more pictures to drool over...
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: MatthewPapa on December 12, 2004, 09:02:35 pm
Heh,
GO AMD 2500+!!!!!
I spent less than 100$ on this baby and am OCing it to 2.4 GHz right now and its working great. It outperforms my friends p4 3.2 ghz that he spent 220$ on (thats what it cost at the time he bought it).
My system:

2500+ @ 2.4 GHz and 400 FSB ($98)
785 mb of RAM (PC3200, (3 x 256, dual channel) ($100)
256 mb GeForce 5700LE ($120)
120 gig hdd ($80)
Asus Mobo ($80)
DVD-RW ($50)
Volcano 7+ ($20)
Scavenged floppy drive, CD drive, case, fans

All said and done I spent less than $600 on this comp and it doesnt lag up on any games. I can turn all of the options on in Freespace 2 (scp) and C&C generals and safely run without any slowdowns or crashes. Cobra, you got big time ripped off, dont ever buy anything from staples again. Build your own computer  if you want good deals. If you dont know how, LEARN because its not that hard. There are pleanty of good internet resources that you can use to help you.

Good parts store (mostly because its near my house) is www.directron.com . I bought everything you see above there.
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: ChronoReverse on December 12, 2004, 09:10:36 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Raa
My Athlon XP 2800+ performs better than my parents P4 2.24Ghz Northwood chip. Granted, they don't have hyperthreading, but my chip is much quicker than theirs.



No duh?  Compare a 2.8GHz Northwood with the AthlonXP 2800+ and you'll note that even though the price is fairly close (back when they were released) the 2.8GHz Northwood beats the 2800+ Thoroughbred/Barton.
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Taristin on December 12, 2004, 09:51:12 pm
The 2.8 Northwoods were significantly more than the 2800+
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: ChronoReverse on December 12, 2004, 10:06:19 pm
Not by the time the 2800+ was released.  You have to remember that AMD was playing the catch up game at that point.  When the 2.8C was released, the 2.53GHz P4 (performance-wise similar to 2600+) had the price drop that made it competitive with the the 2600+.  By the time the 2800+ came out, it happened again.

Also factored into my assertion that the P4 Northwood era was the time when the Pentium 4 actually looked good was how much the Northwoods overclocked.  It was only until MUCH later when the 2500+ Mobiles came out that AMD had a part with similar overclocking potential.

Furthermore, after the 2800+, AMD's PR rating no longer overstated their potential, but rather understated it (leading to the good, but not as good as Pentium 4 3.0GHz, AthlonXP 3000+).

Luckily that's no longer the case with the Athlon64s but it still remains that the Pentium 4 Northwoods were really good performers that AMD never had an answer to when they were released.
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: WeatherOp on December 12, 2004, 10:15:22 pm
My Cpu isn't as fast as you guys, but it runs good enough for me.

P4 2.2 GHZ
768 Mb of ram
Radeon 9200, 128 MB of Ram


not the fastest by far, but will run FS2 scp all the way up with no lags, and will run IL-2 FB great, just not Lo-mac. whitch you would need a 5 GHZ machine to run right:(
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Cobra on December 13, 2004, 12:01:20 am
Holy ****, a RADEON!?
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: aldo_14 on December 13, 2004, 04:27:44 am
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Originally posted by Raa
My Athlon XP 2800+ performs better than my parents P4 2.24Ghz Northwood chip. Granted, they don't have hyperthreading, but my chip is much quicker than theirs.


Hyperthreading is ****ing pointless anyways, unless you write code specifically for it.... if not, you're just as likely to lose performance  (deadlocking / desynchronized threading being a primary reason IIRC; you need to write code to balance the work evenly between threads or you end up waiting on the slowest one anyways).

I think it's as likely that Intel wanted to try and force code lock-in to their processors, somewhat like with this attempted introduction of BTX.

http://www.spec.org/ is a good site for proper processor benchmarking, BTW (albeit a bit confusing to naviagte); IIRC Athlon XPs have better integer but worse floating point performance than P4s of the same 'rating' (i.e. Athlon 2800 vs 2.8GHz P4); when you factor in the price differences AMD comes out on top, and even if you try and base it upon 'performance per MHz' (useless a measure as it may be) AMD is probably still better.

EDIT; and on the subject of HT;
http://www.spec.org/osg/cpu2000/results/res2003q4/cpu2000-20030922-02524.html
http://www.spec.org/osg/cpu2000/results/res2003q2/cpu2000-20030422-02134.html

Former is a P4 at 3.06GHz
Latter is a same speed, non-HT p4 with half the RAM, same motherboard, HD, etc.

P4 3.06GHz (HT) 512MB RAM;  
SPECint2000 = 1098, SPECint_base2000 = 1088

P4 3.06GHz, (non-HT) 256MB RAM;
SPECint2000 =1210, SPECint_base2000 = 1167

NB: this is just 1 benchmark, natch.
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Cobra on December 13, 2004, 10:06:33 am
People, this is Grimloq's thread. Let's get back to his Hecate thingy.
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: SadisticSid on December 13, 2004, 12:12:12 pm
Grim, I like your latest update but the two octagons as engine 'intakes' (although why you'd need to draw anything into a space engine is perplexing) need scrapping in favour of your earlier design where they were big and recessed, and looked integrated into the design rather than added as an afterthought.

(i.e. like on this one)
(http://www.waycoolpages.com/originorder/newhecate1.jpg)

And don't pay too much heed to the canon-whores.
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Cobra on December 13, 2004, 01:16:34 pm
Who are you calling canon-whores?
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: TopAce on December 13, 2004, 01:31:16 pm
Those people who stick to follow canon info. For example, adding more turrets or an additional wing would make it non-canon. Canon-whores consider this a bad thing to do. As far as I can imagine this term.
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: karajorma on December 13, 2004, 02:43:19 pm
Nope.

The term is being used to describe those who want to make sure that nothing changes about the shape of the HTL ships.  For instance people complaining about the octagons etc.

People complaining about the turrets are not being Canon-whores. They're simply trying to prevent a ship appearing which would break existing missions. There is a huge difference as the first is mostly aesthetic whereas the second affects game balance.

Anyway I'm not going to say whether I agree with the so-called Canon whores or not.
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Grimloq on December 13, 2004, 02:48:33 pm
the octagons are being experimented with...
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: ChronoReverse on December 13, 2004, 02:51:56 pm
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Originally posted by aldo_14


Hyperthreading is ****ing pointless anyways, unless you write code specifically for it.... if not, you're just as likely to lose performance  (deadlocking / desynchronized threading being a primary reason IIRC; you need to write code to balance the work evenly between threads or you end up waiting on the slowest one anyways).

EDIT; and on the subject of HT;
http://www.spec.org/osg/cpu2000/results/res2003q4/cpu2000-20030922-02524.html
http://www.spec.org/osg/cpu2000/results/res2003q2/cpu2000-20030422-02134.html

Former is a P4 at 3.06GHz
Latter is a same speed, non-HT p4 with half the RAM, same motherboard, HD, etc.

P4 3.06GHz (HT) 512MB RAM;  
SPECint2000 = 1098, SPECint_base2000 = 1088

P4 3.06GHz, (non-HT) 256MB RAM;
SPECint2000 =1210, SPECint_base2000 = 1167

NB: this is just 1 benchmark, natch.



Actually Simutaneous Multi-Threading (SMT) is a technology that is in fact quite useful.  It's just not nearly as useful on a desktop where response time is the most important.  However, it does give a different feel when you're using a SMT-capable cpu.

Frankly, the only reason why I write-off HT is because of the way Intel tries to hype it up.
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: FireCrack on December 14, 2004, 06:50:25 pm
Be sure to have a nameplate.
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Grimloq on December 14, 2004, 07:29:01 pm
of course! :D
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: WeatherOp on December 17, 2004, 06:37:10 pm
Any updates?
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Cobra on December 17, 2004, 07:11:16 pm
Yeah, we want pics to drool over! :lol:
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Grimloq on December 18, 2004, 04:15:41 am
fraid not. sry,
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Cobra on December 19, 2004, 01:04:25 am
:( :sigh:
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Psychoo on January 07, 2005, 11:28:19 am
How's the progress? Is there any approx. date of release?
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: aldo_14 on January 07, 2005, 11:52:59 am
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Originally posted by ChronoReverse



Actually Simutaneous Multi-Threading (SMT) is a technology that is in fact quite useful.  It's just not nearly as useful on a desktop where response time is the most important.  However, it does give a different feel when you're using a SMT-capable cpu.

Frankly, the only reason why I write-off HT is because of the way Intel tries to hype it up.


Isn't that what I said? *shrug*

(you'll notice I never said anything about threading in particular.......)
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Trivial Psychic on January 08, 2005, 12:00:00 am
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Originally posted by Psychoo
How's the progress? Is there any approx. date of release?

Grim put up a thread at SG, saying that he's got some RL issues right now so he will be leaving that comminity.  I think we may see less of him and his work here as well.
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Lightspeed on January 08, 2005, 09:39:06 am
Bleh, and he wouldn't listen to me when I told him to release the original hi-polied model. :(
Title: new hecate thingy!
Post by: Grimloq on January 08, 2005, 02:04:06 pm
dont worry, its not forgotten, i just have too many things to do ATM. especially the RL problems. bah, maybe ill post up at hard light, so people wont bother me too much >_>