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Title: In case you missed this:
Post by: Mad Bomber on November 04, 2004, 02:28:41 pm
http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/10/20/explorers.braingate/

I woulda posted this earlier, but of course there was The Giant Outage.

So, what do you all think of this scientific advancement?
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Post by: Flipside on November 04, 2004, 02:35:55 pm
Cool!

I'd be slightly concerned about longer-term exposure to it though, I will wait and see ;)
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Post by: Clave on November 04, 2004, 02:48:30 pm
Excellenr!@!! ay lsat i haave a tool to conrol teh internt! oop -    I thinj the chp hass detaagced, oh crp!!!
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Post by: Flipside on November 04, 2004, 02:50:28 pm
You could seriously screw some people up with a virus, come to think of it :nervous:
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Post by: Liberator on November 04, 2004, 02:53:46 pm
Well, when they decipher how to write info into the human brain maybe, but this is just an control device, I don't imagine it goes both ways.
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Post by: Flipside on November 04, 2004, 02:55:37 pm
LOL I know, that's what the :nervous: was all about ;)
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Post by: Jetmech Jr. on November 04, 2004, 03:12:33 pm
What if the person with the chip turn has ADHD? The whole using thoughts to control stuff scares me, since I have virtually no control over what pops into my head.
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Post by: Flipside on November 04, 2004, 03:16:08 pm
Now, what would be really funny is putting this into someone with Tourets Syndrome and then letting them loose on an AOL chat room ;)
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Post by: Ghostavo on November 04, 2004, 03:56:46 pm
What would happen while the person sleeps? Like what would that device do if the person in question started having a nightmare? Call the police? :nervous:
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Post by: 01010 on November 04, 2004, 04:22:08 pm
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Originally posted by Flipside
Now, what would be really funny is putting this into someone with Tourets Syndrome and then letting them loose on an AOL chat room ;)


I think they've been doing that for years.
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Post by: Black Wolf on November 04, 2004, 10:18:02 pm
Wow - this has incredible potential... think about it - they could use it to control some kind of body suit allowing them to walk again, or even directly stimulate muscles.

Sure, it's still early days, but it's a huge step in the right direction.
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Post by: Knight Templar on November 04, 2004, 11:20:09 pm
Screw cripples, I want one.

Seriously, think of what this could mean outside of medicine...
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Post by: Liberator on November 05, 2004, 12:20:21 am
The first step toward Neural Nanonics and the end of individuality should a way be found to alter a human's memories or personality with this technology.  It has the potential for great good, incredible amounts of good actually, but it has an equal if not greater potential for evil given certain circumstances.
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Post by: Flipside on November 05, 2004, 12:37:23 am
True, but then that encapsulates just about every single thing that man has invented from the wheel upwards ;)
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Post by: Black Wolf on November 05, 2004, 01:00:15 am
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Originally posted by Liberator
The first step toward Neural Nanonics and the end of individuality should a way be found to alter a human's memories or personality with this technology.  It has the potential for great good, incredible amounts of good actually, but it has an equal if not greater potential for evil given certain circumstances.


Err... how? All it does is sample electrical activity in the brain, not change it.
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Post by: Genryu on November 05, 2004, 01:49:17 am
Do you REALLY think that no-one will try to see what happens if you change such and such current with this little gizmo ? :wtf:
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Post by: Setekh on November 05, 2004, 03:10:41 am
Dude, that guy is like a Spartan-II! Now all he needs is an AI in there, too. :yes:
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Post by: Liberator on November 05, 2004, 03:56:32 am
Umm, I thought it was a Spartan Mark 5?
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Post by: kasperl on November 05, 2004, 04:56:08 am
As KT said, I want one.

IIRC, this works by basic commands for typing, such as 'wanting' to type something. It's not actual thought reading. (So you can think 'screw you asshole'  while 'typing' "yes, it'll be in your inbox in 5 minutes".
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Post by: IceFire on November 05, 2004, 08:54:43 am
Wasn't reading specifically about this device but I was reading about implanted chips into humans.

They have discovered that the Human brain is significantly more complicated than they had imagined.  The reasons that this technology works so well has little to do with the technology...they just provide the bridge.  The fact is apparently that the brain has more to do with the link being possible...it figures out what to do with the chip and how to use it.

Every persons brain is organized differently, operates differently, and is constantly re-writing itself.  Researchers used to operate beliving the brain had a code that once broken you could try and tie into.  Apparently this isn't the case...if the brain has a programming language...it changes every time you go to sleep or even more often.

So the be all and end all of the article that I was reading is that controlling peoples thoughts specifically is virtually impossible.  If you were able to locate a specific memory at one time...it would have shifted or been re-arranged the next time.  So yes you can probably stimulate a persons mood and change some things...but implanting memories through computer chips and changing specific things inside the brain is next to impossible.

It seems the other way around is more true.
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Post by: Martinus on November 05, 2004, 09:45:25 am
[color=66ff00]I get to see technology of this type in uni, most of my lectures take place in the Northern Ireland Biomedical Engineering Centre or NIBEC (www.ulster.ac.uk/jobs/institutes/nanotechnology/nibec.html).
Amoungst other things they're designing and fabricating body monitor systems for NASA.

Makes for an interesting degree. :nod:
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Post by: Deepblue on November 05, 2004, 09:48:03 am
Brains are smart. :nervous:

...

What?
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Post by: Unknown Target on November 05, 2004, 10:13:48 am
Have you ever noticed how interesting it is when you feel that your brain and body are sometimes seperate from your concious?

And cool gizmo, btw.
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Post by: kasperl on November 05, 2004, 10:46:57 am
IceFire: Even though those things are good, because they make hacking a mind impossible, it also means that there is no way to make sensory input possible. So you'd still need eyesight to properly controll the computer.
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Post by: Liberator on November 05, 2004, 01:53:22 pm
You could get LCD(or some new type of) display implanted in you're eyes.  I'm surprised that their aren't more eyeglass style displays available.  How cool would it be to have a HUD for your eyes?
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Post by: Mad Bomber on November 05, 2004, 04:17:19 pm
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Originally posted by kasperl
IceFire: Even though those things are good, because they make hacking a mind impossible, it also means that there is no way to make sensory input possible. So you'd still need eyesight to properly controll the computer.


Actually I heard about some blind guy a couple years back, who has a chip in his head and wears a camera on his glasses, allowing him to see (albeit poorly -- his brain ain't used to processing images).

So that's sensory input. :)