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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: aldo_14 on November 09, 2004, 08:30:58 am
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Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat has only hours to live, according to un-named Palestinian officials quoted by news agencies.
Earlier, officials at the hospital near Paris where he is being treated said his condition had worsened and his coma had deepened.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3994667.stm
There's also a link on Reuters 'Arafat Is Dead, Palestinian Sources Say', but the page (http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=XNBRFDAKL03JQCRBAEOCFFA?type=topNews&storyID=6759124) doesn't seem to be up yet.
EDIT; it is now. Still TBC if it's true.
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I like how his rich, young wife who's living the high life in Paris has the audactiy to start flinging accusations at Arafat's inner circle, who've spent the better part of their lives working for the Palestinians in the territories. I'de like to know when was the last time she even set foot in the West Bank, much less the besieged compound in Rammalah.
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IIRC she's been in Paris for the last three years.
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only reason they are keeping him alive is that he was the only one who has the passwords to the swiss bank accounts ect.
IIRC, without those the PLO/PLA is broke.
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Well neither the reuters or bbc RSS is coming up with him dying. I'm waiting till they cart out a body, because until then you're dealing with misinformation from all sides.
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redmenace stop pulling stuff out of your arse. And good ridance to the corrupt ****er, maybe the Pallys can get some proper leadership now, although I'm sure the Israelis are going to have something to say about that.
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[q]I'm sure the Israelis are going to have something to say about that.[/q]
Something big... probably 6 tons and with a big scoop at the front...
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Gank, stop pulling stuff out of your arse.
Arafat's personal wealth has been estimated at over 2 billion dollars.
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Yeah and George W takes cash from the Saudi's cause he couldn't run a business to save himself, don't see you crying about that one.
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I am curious how long he will remain alive. Tomorrow, when I come home from school, the first thing I will do will be to visit HLP and check this thread.
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I've heard from several places that they're keeping him "alive" so that they can make arrangements for his burial, which according to Islamic tradition has to take place before sunset on the day of death.
Don't know how reliable that info is though.
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So wtf happens if someone dies at 10 at night? "Organised" religion... I tell you....
Anyway, let's all wait and see. The real fun begins once the grieving and weeping is over. When we finally see who grabbed power.
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Originally posted by Liberator
Gank, stop pulling stuff out of your arse.
Arafat's personal wealth has been estimated at over 2 billion dollars.
By who, the Israelis? :rolleyes:
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Personally, I'd rather the guy not die yet. There's still much more to be done.
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Well it doesnt look like hes going to be doing too much of it if he does live. Hes not capable of doing anything anyway, the Israelis keep him locked down tight and point fingers at him whenever theres talk of peace.
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There won't ever be a peaceful resolution to that situation. Ever. Save one side totally exterminating the other.
"They are a dying people. We should let them pass." - Amb. Kosh
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Originally posted by vyper
Yeah and George W takes cash from the Saudi's cause he couldn't run a business to save himself, don't see you crying about that one.
the US isn't a third world country
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Originally posted by Gank
By who, the Israelis? :rolleyes:
No you twit, the IMF.
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you don't make a very strong case for impartiality you know.
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Originally posted by Gank
redmenace stop pulling stuff out of your arse. And good ridance to the corrupt ****er, maybe the Pallys can get some proper leadership now, although I'm sure the Israelis are going to have something to say about that.
Now there is something we can both agree on.
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Arafat won the Nobel Peace Prize in 1994 - I can only say that there must have been a very short list that year....
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Originally posted by Clave
Arafat won the Nobel Peace Prize in 1994 - I can only say that there must have been a very short list that year....
I think it looked like he was making an effort then.
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He will stay alive until he is killed... just a hunch
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Originally posted by Gank
redmenace stop pulling stuff out of your arse. And good ridance to the corrupt ****er, maybe the Pallys can get some proper leadership now, although I'm sure the Israelis are going to have something to say about that.
:doubt:
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He will stay alive until he is killed... just a hunch
Unlikely. Recent studies show that 10 out of 10 people will eventually die.
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Please clarify what you mean.
Or was it a "smart" remark?
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:nod:
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Ok then... :blah:
So why did you put it?
it doesn't make sense to my answer
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Just read what you wrote carefully.
I'm playing with your words.
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Right then, I'm also playing with something of yours ;7
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Arafat Died Years Ago
By ROBERT FISK
The Independent
Yet again, Yasser Arafat is dying. We thought he'd been killed back in 1982 when the Israeli air force flew around Beirut attacking apartment blocks and homes they thought he was visiting. Their bombs tore to pieces hundreds of innocent Lebanese civilians but Arafat was never there. Then we thought he'd died in a plane crash in the Libyan desert -- but it was the pilot who died and the bodyguard who shielded him in his airline seat. Then we thought he'd bought it on the road to Baghdad when he suffered a blood clot. But Jordanian doctors brought him back to the world of the living. Now, again, we're preparing for the old man's death. Yet like the Pope, he seems to go on and on and on.
He is a wearying man, not just in his repeated death but in life as well, a man who married the Revolution -- as his wife was to discover -- rather than develop a coherent strategy for a people under occupation. And in the end, he became like so many other Arab leaders -- and as the Israelis intended him to be -- a little dictator, handing out dollars and euros to his ageing but loyal cronies, falsely promising democracy, clinging to power in his shambles of an office in Ramallah. Had he done what he was supposed to do -- had he governed "Palestine" (the quotation marks are daily more important) with ruthlessness and crushed all opposition and accepted all Israel's demands -- he would be able now to visit Jerusalem, even Washington.
I recall how, just after the famous handshake on the White House lawn, I told an Israeli friend in Jerusalem that it was only fair that he would now have to live with Arafat next door. After all, I said, I'd had to suffer his near-occupation of West Beirut for seven years. Those were the days when he promised to return all the refugees of pre-1948 Palestine to their homes, when he deliberately sacrificed thousands of Palestinian lives in the Tel el-Zaatar camp to earn the world's sympathy, when he tolerated aircraft hijacking and talked about "democracy among the guns" and eventually left his people in Beirut to Israel's murderous henchmen in the Phalange.
The Arafat mug was never going to find its way on to university walls like Guevara or even Castro. There was -- and still is -- a kind of seediness about it and maybe that's what the Israelis saw too, a man who could be relied on to police his people in their little Bantustans, another proxy to run the show when occupation became too tiresome. "Can Arafat control his own people?" That's what the Israelis asked and the world obligingly asked the same question without realising the truth: that this was precisely why Arafat had been allowed back to the Occupied Territories -- to "control" his people. The only time he did stand up to his Israeli-American masters -- when he refused to accept 64 per cent of the 22 per cent of Palestine that was left to him -- he returned in triumph to Gaza and allowed the Israelis to claim he was offered 95 per cent but chose war.
When he started negotiating with the Israelis, he had not even seen a Jewish settlement but he put his trust in the Americans -- always a dangerous thing to do in the Middle East -- and when Israel began to renege on the withdrawals, there was no one to help him. Israel broke withdrawal agreements five times.
Then came intifada two and the Palestinian suicide bombings and 11 September 2001, and it was only a matter of time -- about six hours, to be exact -- before Israel said Arafat was linked to Osama bin Laden and that Ariel Sharon, too, was fighting world terror in his battle with the "terrorist" Arafat. In a country where the word "terrorist" is even more promiscuously used than it is in the United States, it was applied to Arafat by every Israeli official and every right-wing journalist outside Israel.
Sitting like an old and dying owl in his Ramallah headquarters, it must have struck Arafat that he had one unique distinction. Some "terrorists" -- Khomeini, for example -- die of old age. Some -- Gaddafi comes to mind -- become statesmen courtesy of mendacious folk like Tony Blair. Others -- Abu Nidal is an obvious candidate -- get murdered, often by their own side. But Arafat is perhaps the only man who started off as a "super-terrorist", was turned overnight by the Oslo agreement into a "super-statesman" and then went back to being a "super-terrorist" again. No wonder he often seems to be losing attention, making factual errors, falling ill.
Like all dictators, he made sure that there was no succession. It might have been Abu Jihad, but he was murdered by the Israelis in Tunis. It might have been one of the militant leaders whom the Israelis have been executing by air attack over the past two years. It could still be, just, the imprisoned Marwan Barghouti. And, if the Israelis decide that he should be the leader -- be sure the Palestinians won't get any choice in the matter -- then the prison doors may open for Barghouti.
Yes, Arafat might die. The funeral would be the usual excruciating rhetoric bath. But the truth, I fear, is that Arafat died years ago.
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Well, Arafat's death is now confirmed. Supposedly he died.... *calculates timezones* .... 20 hours ago. However, the word going around is that he's been dead for a week or so, and kept in the freezer until his burial site could be decided on, etc etc.
Also, this "mysterious" ailment he died from? This blood disease (but not lukemia), apparently has all the signs of AIDS. Which, after all those videos (or were they still pictures? I forget - but please don't link to them) of him getting it on with his... bodyguards... is not very surprising.
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I've never heard of him getting it on with his body guards, whats this? :wtf:
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well see when you r stuck in a building for years or months with no access to women or the internet.... :lol:
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I will accept many things but I won't accept the Israeli's managed to turn Arafat into a raging homo.
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(Update: He's dead)
LOL
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Stealth: it was either that, or "RIH", so I figured I'd best go along with the less confrontational one. ;)
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I saw somewhere that he died of a brain hemorrhage. Probably a 9mm hemorrhage. :rolleyes:
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So, that's one war criminal stumbling block down... One to go...
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if the palistinians don't use this as an excuse to bomb the **** out of israel I think sharon will be gone.
when is the next election there?
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Originally posted by Sandwich
Well, Arafat's death is now confirmed. Supposedly he died.... *calculates timezones* .... 20 hours ago. However, the word going around is that he's been dead for a week or so, and kept in the freezer until his burial site could be decided on, etc etc.
Also, this "mysterious" ailment he died from? This blood disease (but not lukemia), apparently has all the signs of AIDS. Which, after all those videos (or were they still pictures? I forget - but please don't link to them) of him getting it on with his... bodyguards... is not very surprising.
You never struck me as being stupid enough to believe such things.
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Originally posted by an0n
You never struck me as being stupid enough to believe such things.
Why thank you.
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That about the closest thing to a compliment anyone's ever likely to get from me.
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Originally posted by Sandwich
Stealth: it was either that, or "RIH"
rot in hell?
try rust in pieces
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Originally posted by Liberator
No you twit, the IMF.
IMI you ****ing muppet, Israeli Military Intelligence
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yasser_Arafat
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to be fair, it also says on the Wikipedia page that
"In 2003 the International Monetary Fund (IMF) conducted an audit of the Palestinian Authority and stated that Arafat diverted $900 million in public funds to a special bank account controlled by Arafat and the PA Chief Economic Financial Advisor. The IMF did not claim that there were any improprieties and it specifically stated that most of the funds have been used to invest in Palestinian assets, both internally and abroad. [17]"
so, there is some truth in what Liberator said..
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Eh, read what you posted in future
"The IMF did not claim that there were any improprieties and it specifically stated that most of the funds have been used to invest in Palestinian assets, both internally and abroad."
So its not part of his personal wealth. Libbys talking out of his arse, even the Israelis arent claiming hes worth 2 billion.
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Yeah, thats why I said some truth, because the IMF did indeed do an audit, but didn't actually some up with any wrongdoing on Arafat's part, which is the other half of what Lib said.
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Originally posted by PhReAk
rot in hell?
Hmm, I hadn't thought of that one. I settled for "Rest in Hell", myself. :p
(http://www.n00bstories.com/image.fetch.php?id=1026996392)
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:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Rictor
Yeah, thats why I said some truth, because the IMF did indeed do an audit, but didn't actually some up with any wrongdoing on Arafat's part, which is the other half of what Lib said.
He was talking out of his arse.
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Liberator != Able to tie own shoelaces.
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Originally posted by Sandwich
Hmm, I hadn't thought of that one. I settled for "Rest in Hell", myself. :p
(http://www.n00bstories.com/image.fetch.php?id=1026996392)
got someone to host the stupid thing where it can be shown in forums :D
(http://speckledstone.home.comcast.net/images/terafat.jpg)
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You know, many palestinians think Arafat was poisoned by Israelians...
Makes you think, doesn't it?
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Originally posted by an0n
Liberator != Able to tie own shoelaces.
an0n == couldn't find his ass with two hand, a hunting dog and a ouijia board.
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an0n & Liberator = sexual tension
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me = disturbed
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This thread = has hours to live
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If you don't have anything positive to say...
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Originally posted by TrashMan
You know, many palestinians think Arafat was poisoned by Israelians...
Makes you think, doesn't it?
I would be suprised if they DIDNT have a hand in this at one point or another... :doubt:
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Originally posted by TopAce
This thread = has hours to live
It's sandwich's little gloating thread. It'll never close.
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Originally posted by Black Wolf
It's sandwich's little gloating thread. It'll never close.
i'd kick his ass if he did ;7:yes:
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I'd pay to see that.
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Originally posted by Splinter
I would be suprised if they DIDNT have a hand in this at one point or another... :doubt:
It gets stranger and stranger...he comes walking in the hospital, ends up dead... Arafat was a cool figure... definatealy a unique individual...
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I think we all knew he was on his way out when we saw the video of him leaving the middle east. Foul play or no, the Palestinians may be better off without him.
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Found a rather odd little article on the Inquirer involving this:
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=19659
Seems their reporter got a bit lost....
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Now that was lucky.
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Originally posted by vyper
I'd pay to see that.
heh ;7
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4011667.stm
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You'll have to forgive my brother's rampant aggressiveness - he's feeling particularly mighty after last night when he slaughtered single-handedly a blood-thirsty....
...mosquito. :D
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seems to me that most popular Palestinian candidate right now is Marwan Barghouti, only trouble is that he'serving 5 consecutive life sentences in Israel, though the arrest and detention are illegal (according to the Geneva conventions and Oslo).
Both Abbas and Qureia have the burden of the old guard's corruption hanging around their necks, and a Hamas candidate, if they even field one, is sure to run into some problems, both from the PLO and Israel.
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Originally posted by Rictor
seems to me that most popular Palestinian candidate right now is Marwan Barghouti, only trouble is that he'serving 5 consecutive life sentences in Israel, though the arrest and detention are illegal (according to the Geneva conventions and Oslo).
well it's comforting to know no western country would ever do that :nervous:
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Originally posted by Rictor
seems to me that most popular Palestinian candidate right now is Marwan Barghouti, only trouble is that he'serving 5 consecutive life sentences in Israel, though the arrest and detention are illegal (according to the Geneva conventions and Oslo).
If I had any knowledge in the realm of legalities, I'm sure I'd have something to say here that would completely wipe out your statement, kill your dog, and behead your pet spider.
Unfortunately, I don't.
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It'd be better if the other guy (whose name escapes me but the military wing of the Palestinian government tried to shoot him t'other day) got the job. Although the Palestinians probably wouldn't agree at the moment, he's the best man for it since he's a moderate and would probably know how to get a good peace deal going.
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Originally posted by vyper
It'd be better if the other guy (whose name escapes me but the military wing of the Palestinian government tried to shoot him t'other day) got the job. Although the Palestinians probably wouldn't agree at the moment, he's the best man for it since he's a moderate and would probably know how to get a good peace deal going.
Mahmoud Abbas?
Sadly, it's usually the idiot who can shout loudest and longer who gets into power.
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Originally posted by Sandwich
If I had any knowledge in the realm of legalities, I'm sure I'd have something to say here that would completely wipe out your statement, kill your dog, and behead your pet spider.
Unfortunately, I don't.
Actually, you wouldn't. Barghouti was apprehended in Ramallah, right? According to the Oslo Accords, which both Israel and the PLO signed, it falls under Palestinian legal jurisdiction. So arresting him was illegal. From that footing, it's illegal to still be detaining him.
But I'm sure little things like that aren't important. After all - there're spiders to behead, and nobody likes spiders, right?
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Originally posted by redsniper
I saw somewhere that he died of a brain hemorrhage. Probably a 9mm hemorrhage. :rolleyes:
lol
Originally posted by Sandwich
Stealth: it was either that, or "RIH", so I figured I'd best go along with the less confrontational one. ;)
loooooolol