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Title: Night of Long Knives
Post by: redmenace on November 16, 2004, 12:45:38 pm
Aparently the bush administration is flushing out the CIA and the State Department of people disloyal to Bush. Prepare for the Night of Long Knives.
Title: Night of Long Knives
Post by: Deepblue on November 16, 2004, 12:49:39 pm
No. Sorry.
Title: Night of Long Knives
Post by: Genryu on November 16, 2004, 01:20:00 pm
Where did you get this information ? A link would be appreciable with this sort of information...
Title: Night of Long Knives
Post by: Kazan on November 16, 2004, 01:34:51 pm
Quote from: "Kazan"
http://www.kansas.com/mld/eagle/news/nation/10176636.htm

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"Goss was given instructions... to get rid of those soft leakers and liberal Democrats. The CIA is looked on by the White House as a hotbed of liberals and people who have been obstructing the president's agenda."
Title: Night of Long Knives
Post by: redmenace on November 16, 2004, 01:48:47 pm
I am sorry but, this has gone too far.
NOW I AGREE WITH THOSE THAT COMPARED BUSH TO CLARK

I don't really have problems with some of his agenda, like tort and contract reform, limiting the power of the judiciary, and some other things; but when you start flushing out people that you happen to disagree with strictly on the premise that they won't play ball and keep their mouths shut, you have gone to far. Part of me says wait and see exactly what happens. But this is gone too far in my opinion.
Title: Night of Long Knives
Post by: Jetmech Jr. on November 16, 2004, 02:00:23 pm
Heard about this a while ago. Ick.
Title: Night of Long Knives
Post by: Liberator on November 16, 2004, 02:00:35 pm
While I don't agree with the action, it is logical.  Liberal Democrats have shown that they are willing to compromise national security to further their political agenda.  By removing them from locations where they can do potential harm the President has made the nation safer.
Title: Night of Long Knives
Post by: Flipside on November 16, 2004, 02:03:26 pm
huh?
Title: Night of Long Knives
Post by: redmenace on November 16, 2004, 02:04:51 pm
what is considered political agendi and what is considered just plane I disagree with you......and to what extent should the person in disagreement leek information.

I don't think this will make anything "safer." Can you enlighten us?
Title: Night of Long Knives
Post by: Flipside on November 16, 2004, 02:14:16 pm
It would only make people 'safer' if the governing body were truly working whole-heartedly and selflessly for the people of America and were never ever tempted to stray from that path.

Any takers?

The question you should be asking yourselves is not 'Why is the CIA leaking info?'

The question should be 'Why is the US government suddenly trying so hard to stop it?'.
Title: Night of Long Knives
Post by: Kazan on November 16, 2004, 02:25:32 pm
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Originally posted by redmenace

NOW I AGREE WITH THOSE THAT COMPARED BUSH TO CLARK


i suppose you mean EA President Clark from Babylon 5
Title: Night of Long Knives
Post by: Kazan on November 16, 2004, 02:26:07 pm
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Originally posted by Liberator
While I don't agree with the action, it is logical.  Liberal Democrats have shown that they are willing to compromise national security to further their political agenda.  By removing them from locations where they can do potential harm the President has made the nation safer.


prove it
Title: Night of Long Knives
Post by: pyro-manic on November 16, 2004, 02:35:37 pm
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Originally posted by Liberator
While I don't agree with the action, it is logical.  Liberal Democrats have shown that they are willing to compromise national security to further their political agenda.  By removing them from locations where they can do potential harm the President has made the nation safer.


And Bush, Rummy and co. aren't compromising national security at all when they start wars in order to make themselves richer? :rolleyes:

Please, don't tell me you believe that Dubya is actually acting in the interests of the American people when he bombs seven shades of crap out of helpless countries?
Title: Night of Long Knives
Post by: Liberator on November 16, 2004, 02:40:14 pm
I meant that they were and are willing to leak info that could put Americans abroad in danger.
Title: Night of Long Knives
Post by: Kazan on November 16, 2004, 02:41:43 pm
Like when the bush administration released the name of that one deep cover operative?
Title: Night of Long Knives
Post by: Kosh on November 16, 2004, 02:47:28 pm
Owned.



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While I don't agree with the action, it is logical.



There is no logic to madness. Don't forget that this country was founded on dissention to the way things were.
Title: Night of Long Knives
Post by: redmenace on November 16, 2004, 02:48:22 pm
Or maybe when a jackass lawyer revealed in a lawsuit that the CIA was able to listen in on Osama bin Laden's satelite phone. What a flaming jackass[the lawyer].

But for the time being I will take a wait and see attitude.
Title: Night of Long Knives
Post by: karajorma on November 16, 2004, 02:59:26 pm
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Originally posted by Liberator
While I don't agree with the action, it is logical.  Liberal Democrats have shown that they are willing to compromise national security to further their political agenda.  By removing them from locations where they can do potential harm the President has made the nation safer.


Paranoid fantasy. You really are losing it Lib. Now all democrats must be enemies of America? Did you fall through a time warp from the McCarthy era or something?
Title: Night of Long Knives
Post by: aldo_14 on November 16, 2004, 04:34:08 pm
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Originally posted by Liberator
While I don't agree with the action, it is logical.  Liberal Democrats have shown that they are willing to compromise national security to further their political agenda.  By removing them from locations where they can do potential harm the President has made the nation safer.


That's a little harsh on Charles Kennedy....

Seriously, that's a pile of McCarthy-esque bollocks.  What next, you're going to call them commies?
Title: Night of Long Knives
Post by: Liberator on November 16, 2004, 04:36:14 pm
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Originally posted by Kazan
Like when the bush administration released the name of that one deep cover operative?


As I recall, the operative in question was the wife of a senator.  She also was classified as deep cover because of the classification level of the documents she analyzed.  I'm not defending it, just saying that it's logical given certain democrats' behavior.

Kara, whether you want to believe it or not, there are certain people in Washington that until recently were in power for a period of some 40 years.  Now that they have been reduced in stature, they are willing to to do or say anything to get that power back.  To the point where they begin to look foolish.
Title: Night of Long Knives
Post by: Rictor on November 16, 2004, 04:43:04 pm
Well its hardly surprising, now is it?

Granted, no one is being shipped of to gulags, but rather comfy jobs at some think-tank, but these purges are as politically motivated as Stalin's.

Get rid of all your enemies, so that you may reign supreme.
Title: Night of Long Knives
Post by: NGTM-1R on November 16, 2004, 04:44:41 pm
Start wars to make themselves richer? Bush is an oil man; increased oil from Iraq lowers prices. He doesn't make as much money. Go learn basic economics sometime. Supply and demand.

As for this...well, I am against anyone who leaks, for any purpose, unless they're telling us the government is doing something that is potentally directly harmful to US citizens. The Democrats, as of now, do have the largest collection of people who leak classified information. If that changes, then I'll advocate firing the Republicans and hiring more Democrats.

I'm curious, though, about your source, Kazan. A Kansas newspaper? Come on man, if there were really something like that going on the NY Times and Washington Post would be all over it. But they aren't. This leads me to believe it may not in fact exsist.
Title: Night of Long Knives
Post by: aldo_14 on November 16, 2004, 04:45:52 pm
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Originally posted by Liberator

Kara, whether you want to believe it or not, there are certain people in Washington that until recently were in power for a period of some 40 years.  Now that they have been reduced in stature, they are willing to to do or say anything to get that power back.  To the point where they begin to look foolish.


And the people who have been seeking that power for 40 years?  Are they immune from the corruption of it?
Title: Night of Long Knives
Post by: kode on November 16, 2004, 04:53:58 pm
why not just put the democrats in small camps named treblinka, buchenwald, dachau and so forth? the final solution to the democrat problem...
Title: Night of Long Knives
Post by: Rictor on November 16, 2004, 04:54:05 pm
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Originally posted by ngtm1r
Start wars to make themselves richer? Bush is an oil man; increased oil from Iraq lowers prices. He doesn't make as much money. Go learn basic economics sometime. Supply and demand.

As for this...well, I am against anyone who leaks, for any purpose, unless they're telling us the government is doing something that is potentally directly harmful to US citizens. The Democrats, as of now, do have the largest collection of people who leak classified information. If that changes, then I'll advocate firing the Republicans and hiring more Democrats.

I'm curious, though, about your source, Kazan. A Kansas newspaper? Come on man, if there were really something like that going on the NY Times and Washington Post would be all over it. But they aren't. This leads me to believe it may not in fact exsist.


Really? Like, oh, how about the entire neocon cabal, who have been leaking secrets to Israel for 30 years. The latest being the Franklin guy, who passed classified documents regarding Iran on to AIPAC. There are literally dozens of documented cased of classified info being leaked, and many of the known leakers are high-ranking officials within the Bush administation.

And by the way, leaks that bring to light wrong-doings by the government are not bad, in fact they are a public service.
Title: Night of Long Knives
Post by: redmenace on November 16, 2004, 04:55:25 pm
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Originally posted by ngtm1r
Start wars to make themselves richer? Bush is an oil man; increased oil from Iraq lowers prices. He doesn't make as much money. Go learn basic economics sometime. Supply and demand.

As for this...well, I am against anyone who leaks, for any purpose, unless they're telling us the government is doing something that is potentally directly harmful to US citizens. The Democrats, as of now, do have the largest collection of people who leak classified information. If that changes, then I'll advocate firing the Republicans and hiring more Democrats.

I'm curious, though, about your source, Kazan. A Kansas newspaper? Come on man, if there were really something like that going on the NY Times and Washington Post would be all over it. But they aren't. This leads me to believe it may not in fact exsist.

With all due respect to you, it has been all over the cable news.
Title: Night of Long Knives
Post by: redmenace on November 16, 2004, 05:00:04 pm
http://freeinternetpress.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2317
http://rds.yahoo.com/S=53720272/K=purge+%2B+cia/v=2/SID=w/l=NSR/R=2/SIG=11s7q777n/*-http%3A//www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/nation/2900161
http://rds.yahoo.com/S=53720272/K=purge+%2B+cia/v=2/SID=w/l=NSR/R=4/SIG=12v7buggb/*-http%3A//news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20041116/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/cia_resignations_10
http://rds.yahoo.com/S=53720272/K=purge+%2B+cia/v=2/SID=w/l=NSR/R=7/SIG=12av8bcqc/*-http%3A//www.sierratimes.com/04/11/15/CIA_Plans_to_Purge_Its_Agency.htm
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A53915-2004Nov16.html?nav=rss_politics/administration/whbriefing
Title: Night of Long Knives
Post by: Rictor on November 16, 2004, 05:01:39 pm
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Originally posted by Liberator
Kara, whether you want to believe it or not, there are certain people in Washington that until recently were in power for a period of some 40 years.  Now that they have been reduced in stature, they are willing to to do or say anything to get that power back.  To the point where they begin to look foolish.


What are you talking about?
No one has been in power that long, neither Democrats nor Republicans.

Not even a single idealogy has been in place for 40 years.
So again I ask, what are you talking about??
Title: Night of Long Knives
Post by: redmenace on November 16, 2004, 05:03:03 pm
some fatcats in the government have been there a long time. not cogressmen but people in the buerocracy.
Title: Night of Long Knives
Post by: NGTM-1R on November 16, 2004, 05:03:16 pm
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Really? Like, oh, how about the entire neocon cabal, who have been leaking secrets to Israel for 30 years. The latest being the Franklin guy, who passed classified documents regarding Iran on to AIPAC. There are literally dozens of documented cased of classified info being leaked, and many of the known leakers are high-ranking officials within the Bush administation.


And I want them booted out on their rears too. Regardless, you have to admit that the vast majority of leaks now, today, come from Democrats.

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And by the way, leaks that bring to light wrong-doings by the government are not bad, in fact they are a public service.


Can you read?
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unless they're telling us the government is doing something that is potentally directly harmful to US citizens.

Yeah, that's what I said, now.

Okay, you've got other sources. Give me a bit to review them.
Title: Night of Long Knives
Post by: karajorma on November 16, 2004, 05:30:59 pm
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Originally posted by Liberator
Kara, whether you want to believe it or not, there are certain people in Washington that until recently were in power for a period of some 40 years.  Now that they have been reduced in stature, they are willing to to do or say anything to get that power back.  To the point where they begin to look foolish.


Prove your assertion or quit saying it.
Title: Night of Long Knives
Post by: Rictor on November 16, 2004, 05:34:14 pm
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Originally posted by ngtm1r
Start wars to make themselves richer? Bush is an oil man; increased oil from Iraq lowers prices. He doesn't make as much money. Go learn basic economics sometime. Supply and demand.


Oil prices are at an all-time high. Which means everyone who sells oil is making money like its going out of style.

Higher prices + same demand=more profit

imagine that.